We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29, 45,

[Mr Lonelycaptain of 50]

I tried to PM you, but haven't learned how, yet. Thanks for answering some questions I had for you, and for being such an inspiration. I hope to find the magic trick in PMing, soon.

[NoGreaterLovecaptain of 1,000]

I am with Bob on this one. We are spread out across the entire world with our bases, subs and ships. It is going to take an all out attack on our forces at the same time in order to conquer us. And I do not foresee that attack coming until we are at our weakest point internally suffering from chaos within due to financial difficulties, maybe some plagues and a few bio warfare tactics.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

I think we should get our forces out of Australia! They're big enough to go it alone----

Bob

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Steve, I would point out that in all your quotes The Lord says with clarity that "He" is going to accomplish all that destruction. How? In your quotes he doesn't explain how. However, would a very large earthquake, say in NY accomplish the same thing, destroying roads, bridges, etc? Would a tsunami accomplish the same thing in Boston? How about a Conflagration in a city like Albany, would that accomplish the same thing as an emp? A large earthquake in NY could easily destroy NYC and create the tsunami that destroys Boston, and effect cities as far away as Albany causing fires, and there are "many" cities and towns in that area that would thus be effected.

Steve, the very fact that your son in law, a naval EOD expert, has so little concern about emps should tell you something. I also trained in EOD in the early 60's, blew up a lot of stuff. I was also trained in preventing arcing inside key electronic components using pure nitrogen. That method is still in use today. In my day all the key electronics in all nuclear weapons was surrounded by pure nitrogen to prevent arcing. It's the same today! The military is protected, by pure nitrogen and plenty of spare parts. We as civilians may not be, this civilian is! I'm not in the least concerned about living without electricity from the grid, My family and myself would exist just fine. I know a lot of people will die without their phones, but we are not among them.

I'm told that 76 percent of dark matter in the universe is dark energy, called dark simply because we can't see it or detected it except by the process of elimination. That energy is all around us, all we need do is learn to detect it, then utilize it. The 88th section of the D&C explains that "Light" is the energy that controls all things, thus dark energy is simply a form of light we're presently unable to detect. To create the energy you suggest in your post, all we need do is chase light, and consider all the hints we're given in our scripture. I think that's what Thomas Moray did! First he detected it!

Do I believe there'll be nuclear detonations, absolutely! But I also believe they'll be ground or air bursts, not high altitude bursts. My reasoning, the described women will lose their hair, be bald, but still living. Baldness is the effects of alpha and Beta rays emanating from fallout debris, gamma and neutron radiation pretty much weakens and kills quite quickly!

One last thing, every ship on the high seas is tracked from it's origin to it's destination. We'd know where a ship come from. Also, we have several Aegis class destroyers stationed up and down both our coast lines. They are set on automatic, if a missile launched anywhere near our coastline, the missiles on these destroyers would shoot it down before it got very far. Any enemy would know that, that's the reason we put on demonstrations shooting down satellites. The reason we have the military channel, to educate these folks about our capabilities, our defenses.

Our problems will be us, not an enemy, "US" as a people of this country! As a people we have failed! As a people we are about to pay the price of that failure. "He" will do it!

Bob

[shadowcaptain of 1,000]

[b]Now, other calamities are certainly possible, but to "Destroy thy chariots", in particular, seems like an EMP attack warning...

It very well could be but it could also be that there just isn't any gas to fill the tanks... or no roads to drive on (EQ's, floods etc. etc. destroy roads). Note that most of the pre 1980's vehicles will still work fine after an EMP thus rendering a good many cars as NOT destroyed.
But don't doubt personal revelation... If you've got it stick with it

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

EMP attack= an enemy attacking us--- Earthquake, tsunami, conflagration, act of God???

Bob

[believercaptain of 100]

Bob-----

I was my son that was an EOD expert. He is concerned about an EMP-----thats why he studied about it on his own. And it's also because of his own studying that he found out that the Chinese were working on a way to detonate without a nuclear warhead.


Believer

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Bob-----

I was my son that was an EOD expert. He is concerned about an EMP-----thats why he studied about it on his own. And it's also because of his own studying that he found out that the Chinese were working on a way to detonate without a nuclear warhead.


Believer

Thanks, Believer. I was just about to note to Bob that my S-in-Law is not an EOD expert, but rather a computer programmer.

Note that the US clunker program gathered up a LOT of clunkers, that otherwise would have worked after an EMP. Who destroyed the US clunkers? who was responsible for this program?

Bob, you wrote,

EMP attack= an enemy attacking us

if I understand your meaning properly.

But why could not an EMP be by the same folks responsible for bringing down WTC 7 and the Towers at accelerated rates? (WTC 7 at free-fall acceleration.)
IOW, there are non-AlQaeda that also seem to be interested in the controlled demolition of the American economy and of America.

'nuff said.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

For those seeking more information/data regarding EMP warfare and its aftermath, I recommend:

1. A decent video on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76m5E...eature=related
Map below, I extracted from this vid.

2. One of the best review articles I've seen (but rather long), should answer most questions:
http://www.futurescience.com/emp.html

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Ford Taurus immobilized during an EMP test -- worth watching:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj54FcI7_dE


Does anyone know what part of a solar panel is destroyed by EMP? I think the diode will fry, not sure about other parts (like the panel itself)-- does anyone have data?

[HeirofNumenorthe Heir Of Numenor]

It should be okay...my understanding is only the electrical system/electronics will be friends...basic mechanical parts are fine. Likewise... I believe a car will be fine ONLY if the battery is disconnected or alternator is out/disconnected - meaning your will NOT have a complete electrical circuit/path.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Bob-----

I was my son that was an EOD expert. He is concerned about an EMP-----thats why he studied about it on his own. And it's also because of his own studying that he found out that the Chinese were working on a way to detonate without a nuclear warhead.


Believer

OK, my bad, sorry Steve! But the question is still relevant Believer, if your son was not instructed about the dangers of emp, why not? He was part of a critical USN MOS!

Perhaps Steve, but I think they'll kill O instead, so they can impose martial law, and then they'll lose control of the situation!

Bob

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Likewise... I believe a car will be fine ONLY if the battery is disconnected or alternator is out/disconnected - meaning your will NOT have a complete electrical circuit/path.

Not so! unfortunately. Fact is, the EMP will cause back-and-forth electron motion, so no "complete circuit" is required.

All computer components will fry. [very few exceptions -- if parked underground, surrounded by dirt, MIGHT survive...] Vehicles, including trucks for shipping food, with computers will be knocked out.

Lots of misconceptions out there -- again, I recommend the links I provided earlier.

(Interesting hypothesis, Bob.)

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Ford Taurus immobilized during an EMP test -- worth watching:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj54FcI7_dE


Does anyone know what part of a solar panel is destroyed by EMP? I think the diode will fry, not sure about other parts (like the panel itself)-- does anyone have data?

Pressurized Nitrogen, hmmmmm----

Bob

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

When all hell breaks loose there won't be any gas anyway!

Bob

[NoGreaterLovecaptain of 1,000]

When all hell breaks loose there won't be any gas anyway!

Bob

Yea I am not too worried about preserving any gas powered equipment. I fully expect to walk home from wherever I am at. Always have a weeks supply with me and plenty of fire power. When I get home, it will be "to the grindstone". Time to plant or whatever.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

One of the benefits of being pretty much home bound!

Bob

[HeirofNumenorthe Heir Of Numenor]

Likewise... I believe a car will be fine ONLY if the battery is disconnected or alternator is out/disconnected - meaning your will NOT have a complete electrical circuit/path.

Not so! unfortunately. Fact is, the EMP will cause back-and-forth electron motion, so no "complete circuit" is required.

All computer components will fry. [very few exceptions -- if parked underground, surrounded by dirt, MIGHT survive...] Vehicles, including trucks for shipping food, with computers will be knocked out.

Lots of misconceptions out there -- again, I recommend the links I provided earlier.

(Interesting hypothesis, Bob.)

Thank you for your correct information, Dr. Jones!
BTW, I LOVED the DVD you sent me a few months ago! Very well done!

[shadowcaptain of 1,000]

Note that the US clunker program gathered up a LOT of clunkers, that otherwise would have worked after an EMP. Who destroyed the US clunkers? who was responsible for this program?

Good point Doc.
Also wouldn't put it past government insiders to use an EMP on purpose...

[HeirofNumenorthe Heir Of Numenor]

Note that the US clunker program gathered up a LOT of clunkers, that otherwise would have worked after an EMP. Who destroyed the US clunkers? who was responsible for this program?

Good point Doc.
Also wouldn't put it past government insiders to use an EMP on purpose...

Actually, I think in this case it is more basic than that...(though deliberately removing cars which might function after an EMP is an angle I hadn't considered).

What was this program? Cash for CARS....sound familiar? How about Cash for GUNS...that's right...give the people a temporary cash benefit in exchange for giving up the means to be independent and free....

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/s ... s/08222_00

Overview of the video "Electronic Armageddon". Short, worth watching.

I found this chilling -- at the end, Dr. Fry ("Former CIA") stated the matter clearly,

"It would change the game. It would change the World Order."

Yes, and reduce the population by approx. 90% (in electricity-dependent countries, per estimates).
These are stated goals of the New World Order globalists.

Why do you think they gathered and destroyed the "clunker" cars?
Why do they not inform and prepare the American people regarding EMP attack?
Why do they not harden the grid against EMP?

[Markcaptain of 1,000]

I really think you guys are getting off on a tangent here. Who stands to gain the most if the west is crippled both economically and militarily? It is not the utopian globalists who control the purse strings of this land. It is the communist nations of this earth who want nothing more than to see the US go up in smoke.

I keep stressing Isaiah's words here on this forum because they are critical to understanding this power struggle for control of the nations of the earth.

The Assyrians become the rod of anger for the Lord to punish a godless nation deserving of his vengeance to tread them underfoot like mud in the streets. (Is 10:5-6)

The communist Chinese and Russian military brass continue to say that the United States and its allies like Israel are enemy #1 and all out warfare against the western forces is just an inevitable fact of life.

Latter day Egypt/Ephraim has been led astray and permeated with a spirit of confusion causing her to stagger like a drunkard into his vomit. (Is 19:13-14)

The Lord commissions this Assyrian power as a ravaging hailstorm like an inundated deluge of mighty waters to hurl these Ephraimite drunkards to the ground by his hand and trodden them underfoot. (Is 28:2-3)

Only the protected righteous remnant in Zion are spared annihilation and become instruments in the Lords hand to overcome these wicked blood thirsty Assyrians. (Is 31:8-9)

This is an ongoing theme of Isaiah. Until one can come to understand who this latter day Assyrian force is (red beast) and who these Egyptian/drunkards of Ephraim are ( Babylonian whores) in this latter day struggle for power this will continue to remain a misunderstood guessing game.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

As I've thoroughly explained in this thread, BOTH the red Beast (Russian, China, N Korea etc.) AND the whore Babylon (power elite, including globalist bankers, Halliburton, etc) seek for world power. As explained in Revelation, and totally consistent with the view in Helaman etc. of enemies both WITHOUT and WITHIN -- the Gadiantons (Babylon) achieving "sole management of the government" in Helaman 6.

Which is the great danger? the proper answer is -- BOTH. Both hate the good woman (Church, and I think, the Christian nation - America). Both are capable of mounting an EMP attack on America.

Sorry Mark, it is not JUST Russia, China and their allies that we have to worry about (as you seem to be suggesting. Again.) There is a great danger from the power elite, seeking Power and a New "World Order" by means at their disposal. The controlled demolition of the Christian nation is nearing completion and the day of the Gentiles nearing an end, but we can prepare for it and help Zion arise victorious in the building of the New Jerusalem -- with the infusion of the Ten Tribes returning.

We are blind if we do not see the danger presented by the latter-day Gadiantons, in "sole management of the government" (See Helaman 6 and Ether 8).

[Markcaptain of 1,000]

As I've thoroughly explained in this thread, BOTH the red Beast (Russian, China, N Korea etc.) AND the whore Babylon (power elite, including globalist bankers, Halliburton, etc) seek for world power. As explained in Revelation, and totally consistent with the view in Helaman etc. of enemies both WITHOUT and WITHIN -- the Gadiantons (Babylon) achieving "sole management of the government" in Helaman 6.

Which is the great danger? the proper answer is -- BOTH. Both hate the good woman (Church, and I think, the Christian nation - America). Both are capable of mounting an EMP attack on America.

Sorry Mark, it is not JUST Russia, China and their allies that we have to worry about (as you seem to be suggesting. Again.) There is a great danger from the power elite, seeking Power and a New "World Order" by means at their disposal. The controlled demolition of the Christian nation is nearing completion and the day of the Gentiles nearing an end, but we can prepare for it and help Zion arise victorious in the building of the New Jerusalem -- with the infusion of the Ten Tribes returning.

We are blind if we do not see the danger presented by the latter-day Gadiantons, in "sole management of the government" (See Helaman 6 and Ether 8).

I don't disagree at all with what you are saying here Doc. I fully realize the dangers of both forces of evil. My point has always been that this NWO spoken of so often in these circles will not be realized through this globalist utopian game plan of western power elite. It will be crushed under the marvelous stealth attack from the Red Communist Beast that has been commissioned by the Lord to punish Babylon and make her pay for all Her corruption and greed. This communist steamroller will be the real NWO set up around the globe to control all people except those who build this New Zion. They will rule the earth under global tyranny.

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

Yes, looking at who has the most to gain is the wrong approach.

I agree with Dr. Jones, both are grave dangers. They do use very different methods, and it would be well to examine that, and then truly consider which we are in most danger from. (It will also be seen that the whore uses some very "beastly" tools if pushed.

The beast primarily uses TERROR and FEAR to control. Secret police. The midnight knock. No one trusts anyone else for fear of being reported to the authorities.
The whore primarily uses GREED, CARNAL SECURITY, and SELFISHNESS. The desire to get gain that you did not work for. The desire to be set above others.

Which of these says "All is well in Zion. Yea, Zion prospereth, all is well."
Which of these says it needs 2.4 trillion more, to be paid for by our children and grandchildren, and if we are unwilling, it will be the end of prosperity? (We see the whore resorting to using the beastly tool of FEAR with her own tools of GREED and desire for SECURITY).

We also have to remember that the beast is a creation of the whore. Anyone who has done any study of history is well aware of this. The beast is a manufactured enemy, one that will turn on its master - but that should not distract us from the fact of the enemy that has its hands already around our throats.

[John Lockecaptain of 1,000]

having a pace maker it makes little difference what would happen after the EMP, if one goes off i'm screwed.....

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

I see that we're on the same page, O_I, and in considerable agreement, Mark -- thanks for comments.

We may never know for sure who fired the EMP blast... until the millenium. But here are some pre-clues that may be useful:

1. If the red Beast fires the EMP, expect a super-EMP with the grid out for years and much military machinery out of commission also, and after the hungry-mob/gang-killings, expect an attack on American soil from Russia and China and perhaps their allies. There will probably not be much resistance after the great EMP-induced famine, except in the mountain-west.

2. If the whore Babylon fires the EMP (secret), expect a weaker EMP, with the US military hardly affected. Babylon will have a "wonderful" solution already in hand --martial law followed soon by the New World Order to help everyone out! The grid will be down but only for months (not years). FEMA will collect food from the Mormons to (supposedly) re-distribute. The leaders will hide out in underground shelters which they are now preparing and stocking, near Denver etc. The hungry-mob killings will probably be allowed for some weeks, but with the "law and military" stepping in after the old and weak are killed off.

[HeirofNumenorthe Heir Of Numenor]

having a pace maker it makes little difference what would happen after the EMP, if one goes off i'm screwed.....

I am so sorry....at least you will be going "home".....

[Markcaptain of 1,000]

I see that we're on the same page, O_I, and in considerable agreement, Mark -- thanks for comments.

We may never know for sure who fired the EMP blast... until the millenium. But here are some pre-clues that may be useful:

1. If the red Beast fires the EMP, expect a super-EMP with the grid out for years and much military machinery out of commission also, and after the hungry-mob/gang-killings, expect an attack on American soil from Russia and China and perhaps their allies. There will probably not be much resistance after the great EMP-induced famine, except in the mountain-west.

2. If the whore Babylon fires the EMP (secret), expect a weaker EMP, with the US military hardly affected. Babylon will have a "wonderful" solution already in hand --martial law followed soon by the New World Order to help everyone out! The grid will be down but only for months (not years). FEMA will collect food from the Mormons to (supposedly) re-distribute. The leaders will hide out in underground shelters which they are now preparing and stocking, near Denver etc. The hungry-mob killings will probably be allowed for some weeks, but with the "law and military" stepping in after the old and weak are killed off.

This has always been a major concern for me Doc. If the Assyrians do attack our land with an EMP and people automatically blame the attack on our own govt officials like Alex Jones most definitely will this would play right into the hands of this Assyrian enemy. They want to foment a sense of anarchy and internal strife and chaos which allows them to proceed with their mission without a unified force against them. This has always been one of their battle plans. I don't want to be used as a useful idiot for the cause of the destruction of my country. Viktor Suvorov a well known Soviet defector said in his book about Spetsnaz as reviewed by Jeff Nyquist:

Russian Spetsnaz commandos are trained as paratroopers, explosives experts, terrorists and assassins. According to Suvorov, World War III will not begin with conventional military operations, or even with massed nuclear missile strikes. On page 196 he describes "a series of large and small (terrorist) operations the purpose of which is, before actual military operations begin, to weaken the enemy's morale, create an atmosphere of suspicion, fear and uncertainty, and divert attention of the enemy's armies and police forces to a huge number of different targets... ." According to Suvorov: "The principle method employed at this stage is 'grey terror'." This is a kind of terror that is carried out "in the name of already existing extremist groups not connected in any way with the Soviet Union, or in the name of fictitious organizations."

Suvorov claimed that 'grey terror' would have a psychological warfare component. The Russian special services, he wrote, would launch a scandal parade. Dirt would be invented, created or dug up on America's leaders, on America's defense establishment and on America's friends abroad. According to Suvorov, various nations would begin to distrust their leaders. The peace movement, he wrote, would make use of these scandals, "In many countries there are continual demands to make the country neutral and not to support American foreign policy, which has been discredited." When America's international support erodes away, explained Suvorov, the 'grey terror' gathers in scope and "reaches its peak." The next stage is pink terror, "when active military operations have not yet begun and there is still peace, but when some of the best spetsnaz units have already gone into action." This leads directly to "red terror" - which is open warfare between major powers.

[shadowcaptain of 1,000]

This has always been a major concern for me Doc. If the Assyrians do attack our land with an EMP and people automatically blame the attack on our own govt officials like Alex Jones most definitely will this would play right into the hands of this Assyrian enemy. They want to foment a sense of anarchy and internal strife and chaos which allows them to proceed with their mission without a unified force against them. This has always been one of their battle plans. I don't want to be used as a useful idiot for the cause of the destruction of my country.

What's your opinion on false flag events. Do you not think that a group in our own government would not employ an EMP for their own agenda? I don't know how we would immediately know.
My decision has been made that when the country falls apart by whatever means I'll lay low and follow the prophet. I won't be a "tool" to either party, the red beast or the whore. I'm not playing in their "arena".