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Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby AshleyB » Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:15 pm

Ok so I just watched one of the best documentaries ever today. The title is Fat, Sick, and nearly dead. Its about this Australian fellow named Joe. Hes 40, over weight, and suffers from a rare auto immune disease. He gets sick of it and with his life basically in the balance he comes over to America to start a 60 day fast/cleanse. He does nothing but juice for 60 days and he loses a ton of weight and is amazed at his energy levels. After the fast he keeps it up with a diet full of fruits and veggies and excersize. His transformation was really fun to watch. But thats not all.... While he was still doing his fast in America and doing his documentary he talks with a lot of people and one of the people is this guy named Phil who weighs over 400 lbs and is a truck driver. He just happens to suffer from the same auto-immune disease that Joe had. And I say had because he was cured and got off of all his meds. Joe talks to Phil and offers some help. Later Phil calls Joe for help so Joe flys back over and Phil decides to start a ten day fast. Joe gets him started and then flys back home. Phil does the ten day fast and the results are pretty amazing...and he feels better so he decides to go for 30 days.. he does and then he decides to do the cleanse for another 30 days. He loses a lot of weight and was slowly being taken off his meds. While Phil is doing his fast he inspires people in his town to do it as well. The really amazing thing was not just the physical transformations but the emotional and mental ones as well.

Ive watched several food documentaries and they have all been informative and Ive like all of them but this one was neat because you get to see the results before your eyes. Both these guys were CURED. It was neat to see because Ive suffered from an illness for a long time. They thought it was Chrone's and now they dont know what it is. I recently started a vegetarian diet. Because, for one, the older I get the lessI tend to like and eat meat anyway so going vegetarian is really not that hard for me. Though Im still going to eat fish. Anyway, Im going to try to do the cleanse soon for 7 days and see what happens. :) Course I would need to go see my doctor first. We do have a juicer and we do juice some but not enough. Anyway I recommend this documentary to everyone. Its really really great. I watched in on the netflix instant que.
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby Sariah » Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:26 pm

That is great to hear :) I find I prefer little meat and rarely have it. Fish from clean pollution free waters is the exception. I have fasted on only water for twenty days and felt energised and in good spirits. My next attempt will be for forty days.
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby AshleyB » Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:40 pm

Wow, I didnt think it was possible to go that long without food...Thats amazing. I dont think I could do that. I start to shake if I dont get enough calories. I have a really high metabolism so I have to eat really often..especially when Im eating a lot of fruits and veggies.
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby Sariah » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:08 am

After the first day or so the body will have adjusted and will not be seeking food. A tip is to first let one's body know of the intention so that it is not expecting food and is prepared for the fast. It is a time of rest and repair without the work of dealing with digestion and elimination.
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby withfaith » Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:33 am

I was inspired by the video too! I saw it on Saturday and decided to start a 10 juice fast last Monday so now I am on day 3! It is tough especially when I have to cook for the rest of my family but I know it will get easier. I have already lost 6lbs! That is motivating!
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby dauser » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:53 am

Fasting is the ultimate cure-all.

Fasting subtracts... doctors add.
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby clarkkent14 » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:06 am

I saw it too, I'm going give a 10 day try after the 24th...
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby AshleyB » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:23 am

Yeah I want to do a cleanse for just two or three days. Because of my auto-immune disease I cant really gain weight. Im tiny. 5 ft. 100 lbs. Iv'e been sick since I was 13 and now Im 26. I think doing long fasts are more for people who need to lose the weight and then they keep it up with healthy life style. I dont want to lose anymore weight then I have over the past few years. My goal is to be able to keep weight on again. Funny sounding goal to some Im sure. LOL. I would like to do the fast for a couple days though just to shock the system and cleanse. Im glad others have seen this. You guys should come back and post on your progress. I would love to hear about it.
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby Rand » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:22 pm

Hey guys, just a mild caution, fasting is not for everyone. Most americans will benefit, but not al. You have to have congestion in the body, a red tongue color and a faster, bigger pulse. If your pulse is weak, and tongue pale, it will not be good for you for very long. Just be careful. Fasting can be miraculous, in both ways.
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby AshleyB » Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:29 pm

Good words of wisdom Rand. And like the guys said in the video that did this I would say not to do it unless you consult your dr. first. They can check things out and make sure its safe for you to do. And a 60 day fast is pretty extreme so I think a lot of people may not need to do one for near that long.
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby Rand » Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:57 pm

Actually, MD's are only going to see one side of this, and are not a very good judge of it is helpful or not. They don't know anything about fasting in general. It resides outside of their experience or expertise, but it would see other problems that may cause problems.
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby John Locke » Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:37 pm

Rand wrote:Hey guys, just a mild caution, fasting is not for everyone. Most americans will benefit, but not al. You have to have congestion in the body, a red tongue color and a faster, bigger pulse. If your pulse is weak, and tongue pale, it will not be good for you for very long. Just be careful. Fasting can be miraculous, in both ways.


can you explain this a little more not sure i'm understanding what you mean?
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby BigMomma » Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:40 pm

I just watched this documentary and all I can say is, "OH MY GOSH!" I have to admit, I was a little skeptical at first, ok I was a lot Skeptical at first. Moderation is good and these fad diets are not good for your body. However, juicing is a fabulous way to lose weight. The Word of Wisdom encourages the use of fruits and veggies. Meat has never been good to eat in the levels that we consume it.

Some might argue that leaving parts out of your diet is not good. I am a firm believer that when you are unhealthy, overweight and no longer have the will power to lose on your own, you need to take drastic measures to get to a healthy state and then learn moderation from there. I believe in fasting. I believe in detoxing. I believe in rebooting your system.

Thank you for sharing this.
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby Rand » Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:35 pm

John Locke wrote:
Rand wrote:Hey guys, just a mild caution, fasting is not for everyone. Most americans will benefit, but not al. You have to have congestion in the body, a red tongue color and a faster, bigger pulse. If your pulse is weak, and tongue pale, it will not be good for you for very long. Just be careful. Fasting can be miraculous, in both ways.


can you explain this a little more not sure i'm understanding what you mean?


Sure John. Fasts are good for people that have too much energy and too much congestion, which most americans have. But, if you are deficient of energy, pale tongue, a weak pulse, a fast can make you more deficient, and thus a bad thing. I have a friend who put a man on a fast, and his results were like this guys. The man was so impressed he sent his wife in to him. He thought why not? So he put her on the same fast and it almost killed her. She was weak, he was strong. She was deficient, he was excess. People who are weak, or deficient should not fast unless it is very carefully designed for them.

Does that help? Questions?
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby AshleyB » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:05 pm

that makes a lot of sense. Probably why I have such a hard time doing fasts. They are really hard for me. My heart starts beating all fast and I start to feel light headed and no energy and shaky. The last few times I fasted I had to just do no food but still drink water.
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby gruden2.0 » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:48 pm

I have done a 20-day fast - 13 days water-only, 7 juices. The first 7 days were water-only. Some observations/recommendations for people thinking about doing this:

Start slow. If you think you're going to do 7+ days without ever having done a multi-day fast before, you probably aren't going to make it. I had done multiple 2-4 day fasts prior to that. If you aren't used to it, you'll find that hard enough. Even after having done that long fast it can still be hard to get it going again.

Consider a juice fast first. Juice fasts are also very cleansing, and also easier on the body. After doing 7 days straight of water fasting I had to add some juices on some days intermixed because I couldn't muster the mental energy at times to do my work. I got the energy I needed and still cleansed.

Avoid work/strenuous activity. This may sound obvious, but work (even sitting in a cubicle) and fasting don't mix too well. There's a reason Jesus retreated to the wilderness for his 40-day fast. Indian ascetics do it the same. Fasting isn't just a rest for the body, but also the mind and spirit. We are taught in Church that fasting is a spiritual experience. It is. Some have reported seeing fantastic visions/spiritual experiences after fasting for days. There's a reason for that. Fasting is a time to re-calibrate the spiritual faculties. It's difficult to do if you have the typical stresses and busywork of the day hounding you.

Be prepared for some rough times. There were times fasting when I felt incredibly light, energetic, and high-spirited. There were also times I felt like crap. Water fasting is a powerful cleanser, which causes the Herxheimer effect. Some people think they're dying, but it's the body dumping the accumulated garbage. This is why it's a good idea for some to have someone keep an eye on you and help you through it. This is why there are fasting retreats/clinics out there to help people get through healing crisis inevitably encountered during fasts. This is the Law of Sacrifice in action: you go through the pain of giving up toxins for a return to health and rejuvenation of body and spirit. Negative emotions/unresolved past issues can come forward as well.

Hope that helps. Take it slow, go into it with your eyes open, and good luck.
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby John Locke » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:57 pm

alright so I have pretty serious heart/lung issues. However I am not weak by any means. I do not look sick at all. I have tons of energy just cant really do running :). I guess i'm curious if a extended fast for me would be a good thing? I'm more looking for spiritual strengthening. I suppose i should take the matter up with the Lord but i'm trying to do my own research as well :)
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby BigMomma » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:57 pm

This thread started out talking about a juice fast and now it is just straight fasting?? No food for long periods of time??? That can't be healthy!
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby iamse7en » Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:46 am

Any more details on this cleanse? What kind of juice? How often? What about water?
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby AshleyB » Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:29 am

That was the one thing in the video I wish more time would have been spent on. They just ate tons of fruits and vegetables and they juiced them all and drank them only in juice form and that's why it was considered a fast. They mixed them in different combinations. I believe you can get some really great juicing recipes online. And I don't actually think they drank water? hhmmm...maybe they did. Not sure about that one. I do knew they juiced a ton of cucumbers and those are basically all water anyway.
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby Rob » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:53 am

thebestsun wrote:Ok so I just watched one of the best documentaries ever today. The title is Fat, Sick, and nearly dead. Its about this Australian fellow named Joe.
Thanks for posting that. Just watched the trailer on YouTube. Looks awesome.


It reminds me of the BBC TV show "You Are What You Eat"


As far as my personal experience goes, Dr. Christopher's 3-day Cleanse is a fantastic juice fast.

Dr. Richard Schulze (http://www.herbdoc.com) has a 20-step program which has, as part of its foundation, some cleanses: bowel (also described here), liver/gall bladder, and kidney/bladder. These cleanses have juice fasts at their core. I've done them all several times. Great stuff.


I have no experience with water-only fasts, however, an insightful book on water as pertains to health is Steve Meyerowitz's book Water: The Ultimate Cure. He also has good books on sprouting and juicing.
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby SpeedRacer » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:25 am

Inspiring. Remember to keep moderation in mind. It is wise in all things, even after cleansing diets. Get your cleanse on, then back to moderation.

I have never tried a cleansing diet. I don't have the will power that my wife has. Of course being 6'2", 175lbs and in excellent health I have not really needed too, but I should watch my refined white sugar.
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby Rand » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:06 pm

John Locke wrote:alright so I have pretty serious heart/lung issues. However I am not weak by any means. I do not look sick at all. I have tons of energy just cant really do running :). I guess i'm curious if a extended fast for me would be a good thing? I'm more looking for spiritual strengthening. I suppose i should take the matter up with the Lord but i'm trying to do my own research as well :)


Gruden shares some good insights. Start with small fasts, juice fasting is good. Cleanses, meaning you will feel like you have the flu for about 24 plus hours, will often happen on days 4, 8, etc. If you do a 3 day juice fast, using really good clean juices, you will feel better if it is good for you.

Let me know if I can be of assistance. It is not my specialty, but I am more than a little familiar with the process.
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby gruden2.0 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:16 pm

SpeedRacerLFF wrote:Inspiring. Remember to keep moderation in mind. It is wise in all things, even after cleansing diets. Get your cleanse on, then back to moderation.

I have never tried a cleansing diet. I don't have the will power that my wife has. Of course being 6'2", 175lbs and in excellent health I have not really needed too, but I should watch my refined white sugar.


Everyone needs to do it. It is truly unbelievable the amount of toxins we are literally swimming in every day. Our bodies can't keep up. Roughly 80% of our daily enzymatic energy is devoted to digesting food. That leaves 20% for literally everything else, including tissue repair, toxin removal, healing, etc. While fasting your body has a chance to flush the junk out, get to work rebuilding, and basically catch up with all the things it had to put off because it didn't have the resources.

Also, remember the spiritual aspect of fasting. I haven't figured out exactly what happens, but it seems to strengthen the mind-body-spirit connection. It really sharpens the spiritual senses and puts you back in touch with things you lost. For spiritual growth a price must be paid, and this is one way to do it. It's something that's all over the scriptures, yet members today seem to have lost a sense of how important it is to fast, but was well understood in past ages.
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby gruden2.0 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:22 pm

For those who want to know more about what goes on in the body during the fast, here is an excellent post on curezone by a guy who cured his cancer doing a 30-day fast.

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1159441#i

Stage 1 (Day1-2)
On the first day of fasting, the blood sugar level drops below 70mg/dl. To restore the blood to the normal glucose level, liver glycogen is converted to glucose and released into the blood. This reserve is enough for a half day. The body then reduces the basal metabolic rate (BMR). The rate of internal chemical activity in resting tissue is lowered to conserve energy. The heart slows and blood pressure is reduced. Glycogen s pulled from the muscle causing some weakness. The first wave of cleansing is usually the worst.
Headaches, dizziness, nausea, bad breath, glazed eyes and a heavily coated tongue are signs of the first stage of cleansing. Hunger can be the most intense in this period.


Stage 2 (Day 3 to 7)
Fats, composed of transformed fatty acids, are broken down to release glycerol from the gliceride molecules and are converted to glucose. The skin may become oily as rancid oils are purged from the body. People with problem-free skin may have a few days of pimples or even a boil. A pallid complexion is also a sign of waste in the blood. Ketones are formed by the incomplete oxidation of fates. It is suspected that the ketones in the blood suppress the appetite by affecting the food-satiety center in the hypothalamus called the appestat. You may feel hungry for the first few days of the fast. This effect is temporary. The desire to eat will disappear. Lack of hunger may last 40-60 days.
The body embraces the fast and the digestive system is able to take a much-needed rest, focusing all of its energies on cleansing organs and the lungs are in the process of being repaired. Periodically, the lymphatic system expels mucoid matter through the nose or throat. The volume excreted of this yellow-colored mucus can be shocking. The sinuses go through periods of being clogged, then will totally clear. The breath is still foul and the tongue coated. Within the intestine, the colon is being repaired and impacted feces on the intestinal wall start to loosen and are autolyzed.



Stage 3 (Day 8 to 15)
On the latter part of an extended fast, you can experience enhanced energy, clear-mindedness and feel better than you have felt since childhood, On the downside, old injuries may become irritated and painful. This is a result of the body’s increased ability to heal during fasting. If you had broken your arm 10 yrs before, there is scar tissue around the break. At the time of the break, the body’s ability to heal was directly related to lifestyle. If you lived on a junk food diet, the body’s natural ability to heal was diminished.
During fasting, the body’s healing process is at optimum efficiency. As the body scours for dead or damaged tissue, the lymphocytes enter the older-damaged tissue secreting substances to dissolve the damaged cells. These substances irritate the nerves in the surrounding region and cause a reoccurrence of aches from previously injured areas that may have disappeared years earlier. The pain lasts as the body is completing the healing process. The muscles may become tight and sore due to toxin irritation. The legs can be the worst affected as toxins accumulate in the legs. Cankers are common in this stage due to the excessive bacteria in the mouth.



Stage 4 (Day 16 to 30)
The body is completely adapted to the fasting process. There is more energy and clarity of mind. Cleansing periods can be short with many days of feeling good in between. There are days when the tongue is pink and the breath is fresh. The healing work of the organs is being completed. After the detoxification mechanisms have removed the causative agent or renders it harmless; the body works at maximum capacity in tissue proliferation to replace damaged tissue. While a short fast will reduce the symptoms, a longer fast can completely heal. Homeostatic balance is at optimum levels. The lymphatic system is clean except for a rare discharge of mucus through the nose or throat. After day 20, the mind is affected with heightened clarity and emotional balance. Memory and concentration improve.



Stage 5(Day 30 to ?)
(Breaking the Fast with the genuine return of Natural Hunger) Shelton.
The Breath, which during all or most of the fast has been offensive, becomes sweet and clean.
The Tongue becomes clean. The thick coating which remained on it throughout most of the fast vanishes.
The Temperature, which may have been sub-normal or above normal, returns to exactly normal, where it remains.
The Pulse becomes normal in time and rhythm.
The Skin reactions and other reactions become normal.
The Bad Taste in the mouth ceases.
Salivary Secretion becomes normal.
The Eyes become bright and eye sight improves.
The Excreta loses its odor. The Urine becomes light.

The primary indication that the fast is to be broken is the return of hunger; all the other indications are secondary. Often one or more of these secondary signs are absent when hunger returns, but one should not refrain from breaking the fast when there is an unmistakable demand for food, merely because the tongue, for example, is not clean. Inasmuch as all the signs do not invariably appear in each case, do not hesitate to break the fast when hunger returns.
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby liberty2 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:38 pm

I have found that whatever we give up, whatever our current level of ability to sacrifice, we are rewarded comensurately.

For example, right now, I cannot do a full fast. But I CAN eat only fresh veggies and fruits and soaked whole grains for a month and receive great physical and spiritual benefit. And next time I'll be able to sacrifice a little more.

The law of sacrifice is profound.
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby gruden2.0 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:11 pm

liberty2 wrote:I have found that whatever we give up, whatever our current level of ability to sacrifice, we are rewarded comensurately.

For example, right now, I cannot do a full fast. But I CAN eat only fresh veggies and fruits and soaked whole grains for a month and receive great physical and spiritual benefit. And next time I'll be able to sacrifice a little more.

The law of sacrifice is profound.


Very true. My wife is in the same boat - she can't eat nothing or gets sick. Once a member tried to tell her that the Lord would ONLY accept 24 hours of eating/drinking absolutely nothing. No reason to be dogmatic about this. He will accept a sincere offering of all we can give, whatever that happens to be. It is not one-size-fits-all.
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby Raindrop » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:40 pm

No reason to be dogmatic ... reminds me of when my SP told us in conference if, while fasting, our breath was going to knock someone over, "Take a tic tac for crying out loud."

Watched the movie last night on Netflix. Excellent.

Anyone have any favorite books on fasting? (The websites are good, I just prefer a book if possible.)
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby Midas Mulligan » Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:03 pm

I watched this last night with my wife and we were both very impressed. The food pyramid from the nutritional doctor was interesting. Lots of fruits and vegetables and grains as the foundation of the diet with meat sparingly at the top. Exactly like the Word of Wisdom.

Big Pharma won't want people to watch this video or practice the juice-only fast....
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Re: Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

Postby chicafoom » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:57 am

I loved this documentary. Thanks so much for posting the info!

One question for those who know something about fasting, could you do a green smoothie fast rather than a juice fast? I don't want to go out and get a fancy juicer after I've already bought a fancy blender. Is there something important about not having the fiber in there because I can make whole juice with my blendtec but it would still be full of all the fiber from the fruits and veggies.

Midas, the doctor you are referring to in the documentary is Joel Fuhrman. He has written a lot of really great stuff, but I highly recommend you check out his book Eat to Live.
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