Was Cleon Skousen Advised Not to Publish His Final Book?

[AussieOicaptain of 1,000]

But I'm told I must have a proper disclaimer, so I suppose my leaders will have to see it before I can hand out more copies.

oh i'm sorry, i've come in late here. Are you living in North Korea Bob?

For a minute there I thought you were a free man living in a free country free of religious persecution?

isn't there something in your constitution or bill of rights about that?

wasnt there something i read about the pilgrims on that?

yeah, right.

oh, hang on. i understand. yes, yes the CHURCH itself is publishing your work and it is going to be speaking on behalf of the church, well yes i understand now why you need to submit it to reviewers.

sorry, wake up and grow some nads brother.

if you think you are right, publish it.

if its good enough for deseret to sell harry potter and twilight stuff on their catalogue, if its good enough for Bruce R McConchie to print what he did in half his books no?

call it a discussion paper if you must.

[grudencaptain of 1,000]

What's wrong with exchanging money for goods? Many things. One is the inequity of one man's labor being valued above another. Another is it allows control of certain people over the earth's resources, which belong to all. It teaches people to be selfish instead of giving, the exact opposite of what 'currency/treasure' does in heaven. That's what's wrong with money.

I'm sorry but I just don't follow this line of reasoning.
#1 - "One is the inequity of one man's labor being valued above another".
Are you saying that it is wrong for me to value the production of a farmer over that of a shoe shiner? Differences in prices of labor are just signals of individual preferences.

Look at the larger picture. Teachers get paid beans and most family farmers struggle to make a living, while non-productive workers like actors, sports stars, etc. get paid disproportionately sum for their meager output and contribution to the well-being of society.

The celestial law, the law of consecration, equalizes everything, allowing everyone to share equally according to his/her needs. Everyone can engage in activities that make them happy and fulfilled, while being able to support themselves and their families and being equal before God. We are all unique creatures, but the scriptures teach us we are all equal before God. The BoM repeatedly warns us that the inequality of wealth distribution leads to the downfall of society. This is what destroyed the Nephite society that had been led by God the Father himself.

#2 - "Another is it allows control of certain people over the earth's resources, which belong to all." Didn't God make us stewards over temporal blessings. In the parable of the talents, the servants were specifically given differening amounts of coins and were blessed for their stewardship over them. I realize that parables have many different dimensions but one of them appears to be that of stewardship over what God has given to us temporally.

That parable was spiritual.

Look what's happening in the world right now: the IMF pushes loans on developing countries, and in return (often after they default) turns their resources (land, water, timber, etc.) over to private corporations. The land was meant to be for the common good of the people living there, not the means of suppression. It's one thing to have a plot of land for your family to cultivate, another to claim a resource like water that belongs to all in the area for yourself and profit at others' expense.

Come out of Babylon. Prepare yourself for a higher spiritual law. We've become so tainted by these Luciferian systems we have a hard time seeing them for what they are.

[MahonriMaster]

The BoM repeatedly warns us that the inequality of wealth distribution leads to the downfall of society. This is what destroyed the Nephite society that had been led by God the Father himself.

Actually it was secret combination's, re read Ether 8 and Helaman 2 again.

Also, I would read this great talk on the united order by President Benson. It helps to correct many misconceptions and Satanic lies regarding the united order/law of consecration.

http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.p ... 2&x=26&y=7

Please don't try and correct me until you have read the scriptures again and the talk in its entirety.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Aussie, I have great respect for my Church leaders, even though I believe them to be wrong in their decisions concerning my book, these people are great organizers, and just for those preparation skills, if that were all, I’d still love them enough to have patience with them, hoping at sometime in the near future they’ll begin to see past their present Sunday School doctrine mentality, learn to search, study, the truths, the words of the Lord through his Prophets teach us. In my old age I’ve learned to look past my own needs and look out for others. Yes, I could use the money, who can’t use money? But not at the expense of making enemies of my friends. Helping them learn is my object. I simply need more patience.

There are people in this world I’d love to be able to help, I cannot, circumstance doesn’t allow it. Once in Central America I was shown a whole warehouse filled with hundreds of bags of old hard flour, on each bag was printed the words “Donated by the People of the United States of America. The flour had sit in the warehouse for several years, it was all as hard as a rock, the local officials refusing to release it to the poor in their village because they themselves couldn’t make money from distributing the flour. Rats were running all over the bags, it made me ill.

The poor people the flour was meant for were trapping and eating the rats, rats fed on American flour, it would seem one way or another, the poor people found a way to benefit from my country’s gift.

One way or another, I hope to teach my friends and neighbors, my leaders who don’t have the time to study, the importance of understanding the scripture! They say the words now, but they enjoy picking and choosing their prophets, rejecting out of hand those prophetic statements they choose not to believe and hanging on to false or incomplete understandings. There was a time in my life when I did just that, then I met some good friends who taught me to “see” and to “hear” with the Spirit, I hope to accomplish the same with my friends. Hopefully before the rats get here, but we’ll see!

Patience is the word!

Bob

[kathyncaptain of 1,000]

bobhenstra, can you give us a bit of a hint about the contents of your book? I for one, would probably like it. Just from reading your various posts, I can tell you are wise.

[AussieOicaptain of 1,000]

Aussie, I have great respect for my Church leaders,

are you talking he local guy who is currently bishop or stake president, or the leadres of the church. big difference.

Patience is the word!

you might be waiting a while

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Aussie, I'm speaking of both my local and higher leaders. And yes, sometimes a lot of patience is required!

Bob

[BrianM]

I heard a faith-building rumor a few months ago that Cleon Skousen wrote a book in the years just before he died which describe what members of the church need to do to save the constitution and liberty, and supposedly President Hinckley counseled him to hold off publishing the book because members of the church are not yet ready for this call to repentance.

This is true. Back in 2005 I was going to W. Cleon Skousen's home every week for a class he taught. He told us that he had written a book and that he spoke with President Hinckley about it and had been advised not to publish it yet, that the members of the church aren't ready for it yet. I don't recall if he told us what the book is about though, but yes, the rest is definitely true.

So... what do you all think? Is this "final book" The Cleansing of America? (Maybe Paul Skousen will make another apparition to respond ? ) My guess it that this is the book.

[HeirofNumenorthe Heir Of Numenor]

I heard a faith-building rumor a few months ago that Cleon Skousen wrote a book in the years just before he died which describe what members of the church need to do to save the constitution and liberty, and supposedly President Hinckley counseled him to hold off publishing the book because members of the church are not yet ready for this call to repentance.

This is true. Back in 2005 I was going to W. Cleon Skousen's home every week for a class he taught. He told us that he had written a book and that he spoke with President Hinckley about it and had been advised not to publish it yet, that the members of the church aren't ready for it yet. I don't recall if he told us what the book is about though, but yes, the rest is definitely true.

So... what do you all think? Is this "final book" The Cleansing of America? (Maybe Paul Skousen will make another apparition to respond ? ) My guess it that this is the book.

My understanding of it - mainly from Dr. Skousen's son-in-law Glenn Kimber (who mentioned this often) was that Pres. Hinckley felt like the members of the Church couldn't handle the truths and hard-to-miss realization that America is about to be cleansed for iniquity - with the destructions coming upon the world in short order; that nearly everything about our society is immoral, and that a vast number of members are too materialistic (and terrestrial - not celestial); and that in all likelihood will be reduced to an 1850 standard of living (or earlier) - no more big houses, tanning beds, hot tubs, fancy cars, HDTV, ipods, little black dresses, boats, vacations, etc...

I talked to Paul Skousen a year or so ago and he hinted then about the "Cleansing of America" coming out soon. Reading the forward, the Skousen family made reference that the time wasn't right when Dr. Skousen wrote it, but that time has come. My guess this is the book, or the first portion. It appears to be seriously toned down compared to what Dr. Skousen warned wrote/talked/warned about previously. It was hinted to me (from another source) that there might be as many as 4 volumes of this book.

As for the fear the saints can't handle it? I doubt many even know it exists - even though it is prominently displayed at Deseret Book. If they ever do read it, it is likely regarded as an interesting theory of what may happen in the far off future...if God would ever even let it happen at all...

[lundbaekcaptain of 1,000]

Before "The Cleansing of America" was published, one of Dr. Skousen's sons told me enough about the decision to finally publish it that I believe this is the book he was requested to hold back. I assume President Hinkley read the book before asking that it not be published at that time. I find it sad that the Prophet would determine that the members of the church aren't ready for it yet. It is my understanding that "Many Are Called But Few Are Chosen" was muzzled at the request of some Church authority. And "The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson" was also muzzled from what I understand. Why now? Why were these books acceptable at one time but no longer?

[HeirofNumenorthe Heir Of Numenor]

Why now? Why were these books acceptable at one time but no longer?

Probably because more and more saints couldn't handle the truth? Perhaps it would drive too many away prematurely? remember, the angels are forbidden from ripping out the tares until both the Tares and the Wheat are fully mature and ripe.

D&C 86: 5-7
5 Behold, verily I say unto you, the angels are crying unto the Lord day and night, who are ready and waiting to be sent forth to reap down the fields;

6 But the Lord saith unto them, pluck not up the tares while the blade is yet tender (for verily your faith is weak), lest you destroy the wheat also.

7 Therefore, let the wheat and the tares grow together until the harvest is fully ripe; then ye shall first gather out the wheat from among the tares, and after the gathering of the wheat, behold and lo, the tares are bound in bundles, and the field remaineth to be burned.

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

Why now? Why were these books acceptable at one time but no longer?

Probably because more and more saints couldn't handle the truth? Perhaps it would drive too many away prematurely? remember, the angels are forbidden from ripping out the tares until both the Tares and the Wheat are fully mature and ripe.

D&C 86: 5-7
5 Behold, verily I say unto you, the angels are crying unto the Lord day and night, who are ready and waiting to be sent forth to reap down the fields;

6 But the Lord saith unto them, pluck not up the tares while the blade is yet tender (for verily your faith is weak), lest you destroy the wheat also.

7 Therefore, let the wheat and the tares grow together until the harvest is fully ripe; then ye shall first gather out the wheat from among the tares, and after the gathering of the wheat, behold and lo, the tares are bound in bundles, and the field remaineth to be burned.

While I agree with you in general, the overall implication is that the wheat is "unmaturing" (real word?) while the tares are maturing. And again, I am not saying I am in disagreement...could it be that the trials ahead are what is going to "fertilize" the wheat and "shorten the days" until they are ready for the harvest?

[BrianM]

While I agree with you in general, the overall implication is that the wheat is "unmaturing" (real word?) while the tares are maturing. And again, I am not saying I am in disagreement...could it be that the trials ahead are what is going to "fertilize" the wheat and "shorten the days" until they are ready for the harvest?

Among the members of the Church there are both wheat and tares (both "maturing" together, the wheat in righteousness, the tares in wickedness)... until the harvest is over and it's time to burn the tares from the Church and the rest of America, then the world. (the cleansing of America)

[BrianM]

Before "The Cleansing of America" was published, one of Dr. Skousen's sons told me enough about the decision to finally publish it that I believe this is the book he was requested to hold back. I assume President Hinkley read the book before asking that it not be published at that time. I find it sad that the Prophet would determine that the members of the church aren't ready for it yet. It is my understanding that "Many Are Called But Few Are Chosen" was muzzled at the request of some Church authority. And "The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson" was also muzzled from what I understand. Why now? Why were these books acceptable at one time but no longer?

And yet isn't it exciting that now all of those books are being printed! (Skousen's "Cleansing of America" as well as multiple books by Ezra Taft Benson and H. Verlan Andersen all being republished)

[HeirofNumenorthe Heir Of Numenor]

Among the members of the Church there are both wheat and tares (both "maturing" together, the wheat in righteousness, the tares in wickedness)... until the harvest is over and it's time to burn the tares from the Church and the rest of America, then the world. (the cleansing of America)

Plus, many of the seedlings are wavering and can't decide if hey really want to be Wheat, or if the Tares are having more fun

[highfivecaptain of 100]

Look folks. Moroni kept some of the plates sealed for a good reason -- to try the faith of the people. But Moroni was the prophet -- Skousen was not. I think that is a distinction that needs to be looked at. Skousen was basically a nothing in terms of leadership and line of authority. I have a hard time seeing how could Skousen be inspired by the spirit to write the book he did certainly under the direction of at least one previous prophet (McKay), and then be told by the living representative that it was all wrong -- either in timing or in content. Can you explain that to me?

So since Skousen was told by President Hinckley to pack it in and he did, I recommend you all, and myself included, all follow his lead and just pack all this stuff in. PACK IT IN! Clearly we're going places we shouldn't. Clearly we are asking for things we shouldn't have. Clearly we are totally wasting our time. Skousen didn't have the support of the leadership for his work, and since nothing has changed, you and I don't either unless you think yourselves a bigger man than Skousen. I guess Reid was right, maybe Benson did lead us astray. And now look at me, I'm being called an apostate for pointing out the obvious.

ithink, this tone is bordering on the hysterical. Maybe Skousen was the only one who could write the book, but it wasn't the right time yet. Maybe more harm will be done to the new members than good will be done for others. there are lots of maybes. We should not assume that because we can't see the reasons then there are no reasons. And is our faith and our patience not being tried? It's very clear that we are free to learn for ourselves, but that some information must not come from the church, and that we are to keep a low profile for now.

[highfivecaptain of 100]

Truth #1 – Plato, Aristotle, Socrates worked for Satan and helped develop the Synhedrion leadership of Satan’s Chruch.
Truth #2 – The Synhedrion have always worked for Satan. And they promote a religion of Satan that is followed in Jerusalem to this day. The Synhedrion wrote the Koran to promote another version of that false religion. The Synhedrion are the authors of the Catholic Religion. The Synhedrion are trying to convert all religions to the false religion, even the LDS religion. They are attacking the US Constitution and the institutions of Law. They want all religions to be Orthodox.
Truth #3 – Money is a mechanism of Satan’s Empire.
Truth #4 – Jesus Christ appeared and established his gospel unto the Saxons in Saxland at about 42 AD. Records of this event were almost completely obliterated by the Synhedrion, but were kept in a cultural remembrance by decedents of the Saxons. This Kingdom of the Keys, as it was called by Saxons lasted mostly unaltered until about 800 AD when it had to escape into the wilderness. Significant parts of this original organization established by Christ have lasted until today as part of our Anglo-Saxon heritage, but generally taken for granted as the Synhedrion continue their work to eradicate that culture.
Truth #5 – The Nordics called Heavenly Father the Thorough Father or just Thor.
Truth #6 – The purpose of the Temple is the Oath. Have you kept yours? Lets try the Oath of Consecration for one.
Truth #7 – The reason the preacher scene was taken out of the temple endowment was that some of the “Aristotelian educated” LDS and many of the rulers of the world in general had begun to take offense with that dialogue. That the foundation of Orthodoxy, the political structure of the world, is of Satan.
Truth #8 – The continuation of the Nordic/Arian Church mentioned in D&C 86:8-11 is proof that the generally believed story of the apostasy is not true, and this false story was developed to be in harmony with Aristotelian teachings, that are followed more than the light of the Holy Ghost is in today’s society.Truth #9 – The membership of the LDS Church, like all flesh, labor under Gross Darkness, having ears hear not, having eyes see not.
Truth #10 – The only way to God is through the promise to “Always remember Him” of the sacrament prayer. Are you and yours doing that?

Darren, this is what I have been waiting for from you. I am not as impressed with Wydner as you are, since he seems to be arrogant, and what he writes sounds more like mystery Babylon than the plainness of the gospel. Give us more of this. Plain and simple.

[highfivecaptain of 100]

jeremy.ashton wrote:
Darren wrote:
Truth #3 – Money is a mechanism of Satan’s Empire.


I'm assuming you mean paper money. Freely trading value for value is a good thing.

Your assumptions reveal that you are laboring under Gross Darkness. Some Aristotelian teacher you subscribed to got you thinking that money is just a word for something of value. Money has always meant the Coin of the Realm or any of it's paper equivalents. Money is a word with its roots in the Goddess Juno Moneta, the goddess of the Roman Empire. Money is faith in the empire, and in emperors. Knowing the basis of words helps lift the Gross Darkness.

God Bless,

ok, Darren, maybe we don't know where the word money comes from, but we do know that satan uses and manipulates it. No doubt you are right. But do we not celebrate christmas with some pagan symbols?Does that make us laboring under Gross Darkness? What about the second part of the question, that value for value is the thing. does that not imply honesty? If you assume that we must all learn the etymology of these words before we can become enlightened, there is no hope for any of us except linguists. It would take a lifetime to get to the point where we become knowledgable enough to do anything. However, the basic principles seem fairly straightforward as you outlined them, and those could be learned in far less time, and let those who are interested and capable write us a etymological dictionary. Until I get the big picture, I am not interested in the details. It seems that you know things that cannot be conveyed easily, I know it must be frustrating , use the KISS method (Keep It Simple Stupid) with us.

[lundbaekcaptain of 1,000]

Whoever wrote that statement that "Skousen didn't have the support of the leadership for his work, and since nothing has changed, you and I don't either unless you think yourselves a bigger man than Skousen." does not know what he/she is on about and apparently is in ignorance of a few important facts:

1.) In I think 1958 President McKay, during a Conference session in the Tabernacle, held up a copy of Dr. Skousen's book "The Naked Capitalist" and recommended it to be read by all members.

2.) President McKay personally invited Dr. Skousen to his office on at least 2 occasions I know of to discuss with him what led to the establishment of the Freeman Institute.

3.) Ezra Taft Benson was the keynote speaker at the dedication of the first building owned by the Freeman Institute, and Dr. Skousen was his accompanying speaker.

4.) Presidnt Monson spoke at Dr. Skousen's funeral

5.) I'd love to hit you with a couple more things every bit as or more significant that I know of, but I think it would be inappropriate.

[Darrencaptain of 1,000]

Although I only just met Cleon Skousen at the meetings that used to be held at his home, most of what I know about Cleon is from those people who knew him in a manner much closer.

From what I understand, Cleon Skousen had talents and abilities in the fortunate situation to be able to perform his services in an independent manner. The personalities inside "the System" were not prepared or in a position to do the work that was assigned to Cleon Skousen by President McKay. According to a couple of his friends that I have talked to, the Church has had external and internal problems to deal with that necessitated an independent and external good man to do a work for the people of the Church.

The fact that there is no General Authority voicing and advocating for the works of Cleon Skousen means that the previous endorsement is all there is left to hang upon any interest in his works. And unfortunately for us who received a testimony of the work of Cleon Skousen it is interesting that the most recent work is "The Cleansing." And for us it is a sign that we are in those very last days that transition into this most horrifying event, that President McKay told Cleon Skousen was something he wanted to have the Church avoid by any means, as assisted by Cleon.

So you can treat Skousen's works any way you wish, but the truth in them will stand as a testimony for or against all those personalities that took advantage of the intelligence therein or disdained it.

Cleon Skousen was true to his calling.

I am currently available to entertain your other questions about the other information I am working with at
http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=16851

God Bless,
Darren

[Silascaptain of 100]

Perhaps we should consider the greater question of, why does the church not want certain information being widely distributed in light of these verses from Alma 12.

9And now Alma began to expound these things unto him, saying: It is given unto many to know the mysteries of God; nevertheless they are laid under a strict command that they shall not impart only according to the portion of his word which he doth grant unto the children of men, according to the heed and diligence which they give unto him.

10And therefore, he that will harden his heart, the same receiveth the lesser portion of the word; and he that will not harden his heart, to him is given the greater portion of the word, until it is given unto him to know the mysteries of God until he know them in full.

Perhaps greater heed and diligence should be given to what we have recieved before we receive a greater portion?

[Paul SkousenHi, I'm new.]

There are some stories going around about "The Cleansing of America" that my father was working on in the early 1990s, and I hope these comments can help set the record straight. I emailed my family to get everyone’s memories together on this.

Brother Skousen was never asked to write Cleansing, he wrote it of his own accord, in answer to his own curiosity what the Lord, the scriptures and the various prophets had all said on the subject. He never circulated the text among the Brethren, nor did any of them ask to see what he was writing.
When Brother Skousen completed the text, he had already been in the middle of doing a series of talks on what to expect in the next 25 years. Brother Nibley had completed his "Approaching Zion" work. And there was a growing interest or concern in some circles anticipating the upcoming Y2K "turn of the calendar" to 2000---some worried about the opening of the Seventh Seal.

Word also began to go around that some pockets of saints were attempting to instigate forms of the United Order among their own select numbers in anticipation of cataclysmic last days events. These groups apparently flopped (as we'd expect them to without the Lord's hand in it), and a general sense was rumored around that some groups were getting out in front of the Brethren on organizational ideas founded on their mutual memberships in the Church.

Brother Skousen viewed these events as good indicators that the saints were not ready for the level of spiritual preparation required to adopt the Lord’s plans, and wondered if his book might contribute to some of the foolish activities that were being instigated. He was always a strong advocate of following the Brethren, and didn't want to encourage anything but that.

He decided, therefore, all on his own and without any phone calls, letters or communications with anyone, in particular any of the Brethren, to unilaterally hold off on publishing "The Cleansing of America."
However, some of the same material was included and fleshed out in "The Majesty of God's Law" that was published in 1996. Those who have both books will see a few similarities.

As dad told us, me in particular, wait to print Cleansing when the Constitution is on the rocks and is being ignored, and government leaders are piling foolish error on top of foolish error in an attempt to fix things---when the saints are expressing discouragement about this country and a sense of loss and suffering abounds, and they’re looking for these kinds of answers, then that’s the time to publish. As I mentioned in an early message a few months back, that's why the family decided to go ahead and print the book last year, we thought we were at the opening stages of a very, very dark time. We hope our timing is close enough to be effective, helpful, and most importantly, hopeful for those who read it, and it doesn’t fall on deaf ears as dad had worried. Thanks, --Paul

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Thank you Paul, I really like the book, in spite of the rumors!

Bob

[NoGreaterLovecaptain of 1,000]

There are some stories going around about "The Cleansing of America" that my father was working on in the early 1990s, and I hope these comments can help set the record straight. I emailed my family to get everyone’s memories together on this.

Brother Skousen was never asked to write Cleansing, he wrote it of his own accord, in answer to his own curiosity what the Lord, the scriptures and the various prophets had all said on the subject. He never circulated the text among the Brethren, nor did any of them ask to see what he was writing.
When Brother Skousen completed the text, he had already been in the middle of doing a series of talks on what to expect in the next 25 years. Brother Nibley had completed his "Approaching Zion" work. And there was a growing interest or concern in some circles anticipating the upcoming Y2K "turn of the calendar" to 2000---some worried about the opening of the Seventh Seal.

Word also began to go around that some pockets of saints were attempting to instigate forms of the United Order among their own select numbers in anticipation of cataclysmic last days events. These groups apparently flopped (as we'd expect them to without the Lord's hand in it), and a general sense was rumored around that some groups were getting out in front of the Brethren on organizational ideas founded on their mutual memberships in the Church.


Brother Skousen viewed these events as good indicators that the saints were not ready for the level of spiritual preparation required to adopt the Lord’s plans, and wondered if his book might contribute to some of the foolish activities that were being instigated. He was always a strong advocate of following the Brethren, and didn't want to encourage anything but that.

He decided, therefore, all on his own and without any phone calls, letters or communications with anyone, in particular any of the Brethren, to unilaterally hold off on publishing "The Cleansing of America."
However, some of the same material was included and fleshed out in "The Majesty of God's Law" that was published in 1996. Those who have both books will see a few similarities.

As dad told us, me in particular, wait to print Cleansing when the Constitution is on the rocks and is being ignored, and government leaders are piling foolish error on top of foolish error in an attempt to fix things---when the saints are expressing discouragement about this country and a sense of loss and suffering abounds, and they’re looking for these kinds of answers, then that’s the time to publish. As I mentioned in an early message a few months back, that's why the family decided to go ahead and print the book last year, we thought we were at the opening stages of a very, very dark time. We hope our timing is close enough to be effective, helpful, and most importantly, hopeful for those who read it, and it doesn’t fall on deaf ears as dad had worried. Thanks, --Paul

Paul thanks for this clarification on the subject of your father's book.

[Squallycaptain of 1,000]

There are some stories going around about "The Cleansing of America" that my father was working on in the early 1990s, and I hope these comments can help set the record straight. I emailed my family to get everyone’s memories together on this.

Brother Skousen was never asked to write Cleansing, he wrote it of his own accord, in answer to his own curiosity what the Lord, the scriptures and the various prophets had all said on the subject. He never circulated the text among the Brethren, nor did any of them ask to see what he was writing.
When Brother Skousen completed the text, he had already been in the middle of doing a series of talks on what to expect in the next 25 years. Brother Nibley had completed his "Approaching Zion" work. And there was a growing interest or concern in some circles anticipating the upcoming Y2K "turn of the calendar" to 2000---some worried about the opening of the Seventh Seal.

Word also began to go around that some pockets of saints were attempting to instigate forms of the United Order among their own select numbers in anticipation of cataclysmic last days events. These groups apparently flopped (as we'd expect them to without the Lord's hand in it), and a general sense was rumored around that some groups were getting out in front of the Brethren on organizational ideas founded on their mutual memberships in the Church.

Brother Skousen viewed these events as good indicators that the saints were not ready for the level of spiritual preparation required to adopt the Lord’s plans, and wondered if his book might contribute to some of the foolish activities that were being instigated. He was always a strong advocate of following the Brethren, and didn't want to encourage anything but that.

He decided, therefore, all on his own and without any phone calls, letters or communications with anyone, in particular any of the Brethren, to unilaterally hold off on publishing "The Cleansing of America."
However, some of the same material was included and fleshed out in "The Majesty of God's Law" that was published in 1996. Those who have both books will see a few similarities.

As dad told us, me in particular, wait to print Cleansing when the Constitution is on the rocks and is being ignored, and government leaders are piling foolish error on top of foolish error in an attempt to fix things---when the saints are expressing discouragement about this country and a sense of loss and suffering abounds, and they’re looking for these kinds of answers, then that’s the time to publish. As I mentioned in an early message a few months back, that's why the family decided to go ahead and print the book last year, we thought we were at the opening stages of a very, very dark time. We hope our timing is close enough to be effective, helpful, and most importantly, hopeful for those who read it, and it doesn’t fall on deaf ears as dad had worried. Thanks, --Paul

Thanks for the book, didn't fall on deaf ears here.

[HeirofNumenorthe Heir Of Numenor]

Thank you Paul...good to "see" you again

[John Adamscaptain of 1,000]

Thanks Paul for sharing.

A separate question I have in relation to Darren's thread - do you have any recollection of your dad speaking of Bruce Wydner's research? As has been mentioned before, Bruce has some form of "autism" so his writings are often difficult to follow, but the "principles" behind his research are very much in line with what Cleon has written in many of his books (specifically "The Majesty of God's Law") and Bruce talks of Cleon very highly.

A friend,

John

[Rosabellacaptain of 1,000]

There are some stories going around about "The Cleansing of America" that my father was working on in the early 1990s, and I hope these comments can help set the record straight. I emailed my family to get everyone’s memories together on this.

Brother Skousen was never asked to write Cleansing, he wrote it of his own accord, in answer to his own curiosity what the Lord, the scriptures and the various prophets had all said on the subject. He never circulated the text among the Brethren, nor did any of them ask to see what he was writing.
When Brother Skousen completed the text, he had already been in the middle of doing a series of talks on what to expect in the next 25 years. Brother Nibley had completed his "Approaching Zion" work. And there was a growing interest or concern in some circles anticipating the upcoming Y2K "turn of the calendar" to 2000---some worried about the opening of the Seventh Seal.

Word also began to go around that some pockets of saints were attempting to instigate forms of the United Order among their own select numbers in anticipation of cataclysmic last days events. These groups apparently flopped (as we'd expect them to without the Lord's hand in it), and a general sense was rumored around that some groups were getting out in front of the Brethren on organizational ideas founded on their mutual memberships in the Church.

Brother Skousen viewed these events as good indicators that the saints were not ready for the level of spiritual preparation required to adopt the Lord’s plans, and wondered if his book might contribute to some of the foolish activities that were being instigated. He was always a strong advocate of following the Brethren, and didn't want to encourage anything but that.

He decided, therefore, all on his own and without any phone calls, letters or communications with anyone, in particular any of the Brethren, to unilaterally hold off on publishing "The Cleansing of America."
However, some of the same material was included and fleshed out in "The Majesty of God's Law" that was published in 1996. Those who have both books will see a few similarities.

As dad told us, me in particular, wait to print Cleansing when the Constitution is on the rocks and is being ignored, and government leaders are piling foolish error on top of foolish error in an attempt to fix things---when the saints are expressing discouragement about this country and a sense of loss and suffering abounds, and they’re looking for these kinds of answers, then that’s the time to publish. As I mentioned in an early message a few months back, that's why the family decided to go ahead and print the book last year, we thought we were at the opening stages of a very, very dark time. We hope our timing is close enough to be effective, helpful, and most importantly, hopeful for those who read it, and it doesn’t fall on deaf ears as dad had worried. Thanks, --Paul

Thank you for ending the part of this discussion about of our Church Leaders wrongly stifling truth. I have met with our leaders also and there is no ego or control or intimidation that they use to silence people. They may at times (with some writers) disagree with the accuracy of the content and not support their work or say to others that the time is not right yet to publish certain things, but this is done by the Lord's will and not their personal opinions.

It is refreshing to see your perspective and how your father knew himself by the Spirit and logic that a truth could potentially do more harm then good at a given time and that there would be a better time in the future for it when it would be needed.

Thank you for taking the time to share the truth.

[BrianM]

There are some stories going around about "The Cleansing of America" that my father was working on in the early 1990s, and I hope these comments can help set the record straight. I emailed my family to get everyone’s memories together on this... He decided, therefore, all on his own and without any phone calls, letters or communications with anyone, in particular any of the Brethren, to unilaterally hold off on publishing "The Cleansing of America."... Thanks, --Paul

Thanks Paul.

Back in 2005 I was going to W. Cleon Skousen's home every week for a class he taught. He told us that he had written a book, and hadn't published it yet... and that he spoke with President Hinckley about it and had been advised not to publish it yet, that the members of the church aren't ready for it yet. Maybe I misunderstood exactly what he said, or maybe my memory is fuzzy on it, he for sure said he'd written a book and that it wasn't time to publish it yet, as you have confirmed, and maybe he didn't actually meet with Pres. Hinckley about the book (I got the impression he did) but he for sure mentioned Pres. Hinckley in the context of the unpublished book, and that something Pres. Hinckley said related to why it wasn't time to publish it.

[lundbaekcaptain of 1,000]

There seems to be considerably more awareness now of our "awful situation" than there was in 2005, although the forces fomenting it are more obvious. The Constitution seems to about as far up on the rocks as it was in 2005. From my perspective, the tea parties have brought more into light the "hidden things of darkness".