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What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Look Like?

Postby Teancum » Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:57 pm

Many on this forum seem to have lost their zeal for supporting Dr. Paul's efforts to bring this country back to the Constitution. I know there are some disagreements on this forum as to whether his monetary policy (gold/silver/commodity backed currency) is viable and that the end of times are imminent (2011/2012?) but does that give us the excuse to sit out this presidential election (let alone any election)? Have we come to a time where some think we no longer need to heed the Lord's following counsel:
"Wherefore honest men and wise men should be sought for diligently, and good men and wise men ye should observe to uphold; otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil" (D&C 98:9-10)?

Were we not all in agreement 3 years ago when Ron Paul was the closest we could get to satisfying President McKay's admonition stating:
"Next to being one in worshipping God, there is nothing in this world upon which this Church should be more united than upholding and defending the Constitution of the United States." (Statements on Communism and the Constitution of the United States. Deseret Book Co., 1966 p. 6)


Why are things suddenly different today? What has changed? Should we not still actively do our part to bring about good in our country and the world? Will we not be found lacking when we stand before God to be judged for doing anything less (D&C 98:10)?

In considering the above statements, I came across the the following article: http://www.justinholloman.com/archives/218. The article tells exactly what Ron Paul would do as president, if the day were ever to come. He prefaces his entire plan by saying,
just as the welfare-warfare state was not constructed in 100 days, it could not be dismantled in the first 100 days of any presidency. While our goal is to reduce the size of the state as quickly as possible, we should always make sure our immediate proposals minimize social disruption and human suffering.

I have summarized some of his plans below:

1. "I would have no problem defunding corporate welfare programs, such as the Export-Import Bank or the TARP bank bailouts, right away. I find it difficult to muster much sympathy for the CEO’s of Lockheed Martin and Goldman Sachs."
2. "If the president has the power to order U.S. forces into combat on nothing more than his own say-so, then it stands to reason he can order troops home. Therefore, on the first day in office, a constitutionalist can begin the orderly withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq and Afghanistan. He can also begin withdrawing troops from other areas of the world."
3. "The president can use his authority to set policies and procedures for the federal bureaucracy to restore respect for the Constitution and individual liberty. For example, today manufacturers of dietary supplements are subject to prosecution by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) or Federal Trade Commission (FTC) if they make even truthful statements about the health benefits of their products without going through the costly and time-consuming procedures required to gain government approval for their claims. A president can put an end to this simply by ordering the FDA and FTC not to pursue these types of cases unless they have clear evidence that the manufacturer’s clams are not true. Similarly, the president could order the bureaucracy to stop prosecuting consumers who wish to sell raw milk across state lines."
4. "A constitutionalist administration would also defer to state laws refusing compliance with the REAL ID act and denying federal authority over interstate gun transactions. None of these actions repeals a federal law; they all simply recognize a state’s primary authority, as protected by the 10th amendment, to set policy in these areas."
5. "Another important step he can take toward restoring the balance of powers the Founders intended is repealing unconstitutional executive orders issued by his predecessors."
6. "Only Congress can directly abolish government departments, but the president could use his managerial powers to shrink the federal bureaucracy by refusing to fill vacancies created by retirements or resignations. This would dramatically reduce the number of federal officials wasting our money and taking our liberties."
7. "A president could also enhance the liberties and security of the American people by ordering federal agencies to stop snooping on citizens when there is no evidence that those who are being spied on have committed a crime.... He should also order the Transportation Security Administration to stop strip-searching grandmothers and putting toddlers on the no-fly list."
8. "The most efficient step a president could take to enhance travel security is to remove the federal roadblocks that have frustrated attempts to arm pilots... However, the processes for getting a federal firearms license are extremely cumbersome, and as a result very few pilots have gotten their licenses. A constitutionalist in the Oval Office would want to revise those regulations to make it as easy as possible for pilots to get approval to carry firearms on their planes."
9. "The first step in enacting a pro-freedom legislative agenda is the submission of a budget that outlines the priorities of the administration. While it has no legal effect, the budget serves as a guideline for the congressional appropriations process... If Congress failed to produce a budget that was balanced and moved the country in a pro-liberty direction, a constitutionalist president should veto the bill. Of course, vetoing the budget risks a government shutdown..." A constitutionalist president would repsond with, “I offered a reasonable compromise, which was to gradually reduce spending, and Congress rejected it, instead choosing the extreme path of continuing to jeopardize America’s freedom and prosperity by refusing to tame the welfare-warfare state. I am the moderate; those who believe that America can afford this bloated government are the extremists.”
10. "Eliminating federal involvement in K–12 education should be among a constitutionalist president’s top domestic priorities."
11. "A final area that should be front and center in a constitutionalist’s agenda is monetary policy." (This is the one some on this forum now disagree with Dr. Paul.)

Many people say that Ron Paul will have no power to change anything if he ever became president. I say that the above list of items are significant changes to our existing regime, more than any recent president I have ever lived under.

If you still will not support Ron Paul, who then will you support in 2012? Or will you sit this out and wait to usher in Zion (remember D&C 98:10)?
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Re: What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Look Like?

Postby Mummy » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:06 pm

Who's sitting out the election?

I am very skeptical of the odds of 2012 election actually occurring....but that doesn't mean I won't vote or do my part to promote the best man for the job. That said, I'm not going to rave about Ron Paul day in and day out to a majority that already support him on here.
If you really want to change things, you first need to come to terms with just how corrupt and evil the current system is.

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Re: What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Look Like?

Postby Mark » Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:44 pm

Teancum wrote:Many on this forum seem to have lost their zeal for supporting Dr. Paul's efforts to bring this country back to the Constitution. I know there are some disagreements on this forum as to whether his monetary policy (gold/silver/commodity backed currency) is viable and that the end of times are imminent (2011/2012?) but does that give us the excuse to sit out this presidential election (let alone any election)? Have we come to a time where some think we no longer need to heed the Lord's following counsel:
"Wherefore honest men and wise men should be sought for diligently, and good men and wise men ye should observe to uphold; otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil" (D&C 98:9-10)?

Were we not all in agreement 3 years ago when Ron Paul was the closest we could get to satisfying President McKay's admonition stating:
"Next to being one in worshipping God, there is nothing in this world upon which this Church should be more united than upholding and defending the Constitution of the United States." (Statements on Communism and the Constitution of the United States. Deseret Book Co., 1966 p. 6)


Why are things suddenly different today? What has changed? Should we not still actively do our part to bring about good in our country and the world? Will we not be found lacking when we stand before God to be judged for doing anything less (D&C 98:10)?

In considering the above statements, I came across the the following article: http://www.justinholloman.com/archives/218. The article tells exactly what Ron Paul would do as president, if the day were ever to come. He prefaces his entire plan by saying,
just as the welfare-warfare state was not constructed in 100 days, it could not be dismantled in the first 100 days of any presidency. While our goal is to reduce the size of the state as quickly as possible, we should always make sure our immediate proposals minimize social disruption and human suffering.

I have summarized some of his plans below:

1. "I would have no problem defunding corporate welfare programs, such as the Export-Import Bank or the TARP bank bailouts, right away. I find it difficult to muster much sympathy for the CEO’s of Lockheed Martin and Goldman Sachs."
2. "If the president has the power to order U.S. forces into combat on nothing more than his own say-so, then it stands to reason he can order troops home. Therefore, on the first day in office, a constitutionalist can begin the orderly withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq and Afghanistan. He can also begin withdrawing troops from other areas of the world."
3. "The president can use his authority to set policies and procedures for the federal bureaucracy to restore respect for the Constitution and individual liberty. For example, today manufacturers of dietary supplements are subject to prosecution by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) or Federal Trade Commission (FTC) if they make even truthful statements about the health benefits of their products without going through the costly and time-consuming procedures required to gain government approval for their claims. A president can put an end to this simply by ordering the FDA and FTC not to pursue these types of cases unless they have clear evidence that the manufacturer’s clams are not true. Similarly, the president could order the bureaucracy to stop prosecuting consumers who wish to sell raw milk across state lines."
4. "A constitutionalist administration would also defer to state laws refusing compliance with the REAL ID act and denying federal authority over interstate gun transactions. None of these actions repeals a federal law; they all simply recognize a state’s primary authority, as protected by the 10th amendment, to set policy in these areas."
5. "Another important step he can take toward restoring the balance of powers the Founders intended is repealing unconstitutional executive orders issued by his predecessors."
6. "Only Congress can directly abolish government departments, but the president could use his managerial powers to shrink the federal bureaucracy by refusing to fill vacancies created by retirements or resignations. This would dramatically reduce the number of federal officials wasting our money and taking our liberties."
7. "A president could also enhance the liberties and security of the American people by ordering federal agencies to stop snooping on citizens when there is no evidence that those who are being spied on have committed a crime.... He should also order the Transportation Security Administration to stop strip-searching grandmothers and putting toddlers on the no-fly list."
8. "The most efficient step a president could take to enhance travel security is to remove the federal roadblocks that have frustrated attempts to arm pilots... However, the processes for getting a federal firearms license are extremely cumbersome, and as a result very few pilots have gotten their licenses. A constitutionalist in the Oval Office would want to revise those regulations to make it as easy as possible for pilots to get approval to carry firearms on their planes."
9. "The first step in enacting a pro-freedom legislative agenda is the submission of a budget that outlines the priorities of the administration. While it has no legal effect, the budget serves as a guideline for the congressional appropriations process... If Congress failed to produce a budget that was balanced and moved the country in a pro-liberty direction, a constitutionalist president should veto the bill. Of course, vetoing the budget risks a government shutdown..." A constitutionalist president would repsond with, “I offered a reasonable compromise, which was to gradually reduce spending, and Congress rejected it, instead choosing the extreme path of continuing to jeopardize America’s freedom and prosperity by refusing to tame the welfare-warfare state. I am the moderate; those who believe that America can afford this bloated government are the extremists.”
10. "Eliminating federal involvement in K–12 education should be among a constitutionalist president’s top domestic priorities."
11. "A final area that should be front and center in a constitutionalist’s agenda is monetary policy." (This is the one some on this forum now disagree with Dr. Paul.)

Many people say that Ron Paul will have no power to change anything if he ever became president. I say that the above list of items are significant changes to our existing regime, more than any recent president I have ever lived under.

If you still will not support Ron Paul, who then will you support in 2012? Or will you sit this out and wait to usher in Zion (remember D&C 98:10)?



What would a Ron Paul Presidency look like? Well we would all be preparing for a national funeral for Dr. Paul because he would not last 30 days in the presidency. It would be a death wish for the good Dr. I do not say that in jest. It is the sad fact of who is running the govt's of this globe.
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Re: What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Look Like?

Postby lundbaek » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:48 pm

Transition from where we are now back to the proper role of government would have to be a gradual process, and we could expect considerable resistance from most members of Congress and probably from most Americans as well. I just hope he lasts long enough that I can vote for him.
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Re: What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Look Like?

Postby lundbaek » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:48 pm

Transition from where we are now back to the proper role of government would have to be a gradual process, and we could expect considerable resistance from most members of Congress and probably from most Americans as well. I just hope he lasts long enough that I can vote for him.
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Re: What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Look Like?

Postby iamse7en » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:14 pm

Mark wrote:What would a Ron Paul Presidency look like? Well we would all be preparing for a national funeral for Dr. Paul because he would not last 30 days in the presidency. It would be a death wish for the good Dr. I do not say that in jest. It is the sad fact of who is running the govt's of this globe.


Yes, I've thought about this as well, but the secret combinations also risk exposing themselves a bit more as people will research the assassination, perhaps cause an uprising. Perhaps they'd rather put up with Ron Paul for 4 years than take on those possible risks... I don't know. They will weigh their options and choose what brings about the most evil and tyranny. It is sad that we even have this discussion, but we musn't be naive.

On the point of what a Ron Paul presidency would look like, really, he wouldn't be able to do as much as we'd like, but assuming he could, I've always enjoyed this old article in the 90's by Lew Rockwell: Rockwell's Thirty-Day Plan
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Re: What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Look Like?

Postby Mummy » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:57 pm

iamse7en wrote:
Mark wrote:What would a Ron Paul Presidency look like? Well we would all be preparing for a national funeral for Dr. Paul because he would not last 30 days in the presidency. It would be a death wish for the good Dr. I do not say that in jest. It is the sad fact of who is running the govt's of this globe.


Yes, I've thought about this as well, but the secret combinations also risk exposing themselves a bit more as people will research the assassination, perhaps cause an uprising. Perhaps they'd rather put up with Ron Paul for 4 years than take on those possible risks... I don't know. They will weigh their options and choose what brings about the most evil and tyranny. It is sad that we even have this discussion, but we musn't be naive.

On the point of what a Ron Paul presidency would look like, really, he wouldn't be able to do as much as we'd like, but assuming he could, I've always enjoyed this old article in the 90's by Lew Rockwell: Rockwell's Thirty-Day Plan


You mean like killing JFK in broad daylight in Dallas Texas of all places....
If you really want to change things, you first need to come to terms with just how corrupt and evil the current system is.

An incomplete understanding of the situation will lead to half baked solutions that accomplish nothing!

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Re: What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Look Like?

Postby iamse7en » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:25 pm

Mummy wrote:You mean like killing JFK in broad daylight in Dallas Texas of all places....


Touché.
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Re: What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Look Like?

Postby Col. Flagg » Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:58 pm

Mark wrote:What would a Ron Paul Presidency look like? Well we would all be preparing for a national funeral for Dr. Paul because he would not last 30 days in the presidency. It would be a death wish for the good Dr. I do not say that in jest. It is the sad fact of who is running the govt's of this globe.

Sadly, my man Ron would never even get to the point where we could elect him at the ballot box so that he could become president and then executed promptly by the establishment - the powers that be will make sure he is rendered irrelevant and off the ballot when it comes to electing our prez.
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Re: What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Look Like?

Postby Mummy » Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:18 pm

Col. Flagg wrote:
Mark wrote:What would a Ron Paul Presidency look like? Well we would all be preparing for a national funeral for Dr. Paul because he would not last 30 days in the presidency. It would be a death wish for the good Dr. I do not say that in jest. It is the sad fact of who is running the govt's of this globe.

Sadly, my man Ron would never even get to the point where we could elect him at the ballot box so that he could become president and then executed promptly by the establishment - the powers that be will make sure he is rendered irrelevant and off the ballot when it comes to electing our prez.


Very difficult (if not impossible) to win in a system that requires $$$$ to participate from those who control and provide $$$$...

Like campaigning on gold/silver currency when your campaign fund operates on FRNs....not to mention media and everyone else!
If you really want to change things, you first need to come to terms with just how corrupt and evil the current system is.

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Re: What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Look Like?

Postby Col. Flagg » Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:55 pm

Mummy wrote:
Col. Flagg wrote:
Mark wrote:What would a Ron Paul Presidency look like? Well we would all be preparing for a national funeral for Dr. Paul because he would not last 30 days in the presidency. It would be a death wish for the good Dr. I do not say that in jest. It is the sad fact of who is running the govt's of this globe.

Sadly, my man Ron would never even get to the point where we could elect him at the ballot box so that he could become president and then executed promptly by the establishment - the powers that be will make sure he is rendered irrelevant and off the ballot when it comes to electing our prez.


Very difficult (if not impossible) to win in a system that requires $$$$ to participate from those who control and provide $$$$...

Like campaigning on gold/silver currency when your campaign fund operates on FRNs....not to mention media and everyone else!

Amen brutha! Even moreso when your plans and promises involve abolishing the entities and illegal, unconstitutional and criminal practices of those who oversee and control said monetary system.
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Re: What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Look Like?

Postby Mummy » Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:09 pm

Col. Flagg wrote:
Mummy wrote:
Col. Flagg wrote:Sadly, my man Ron would never even get to the point where we could elect him at the ballot box so that he could become president and then executed promptly by the establishment - the powers that be will make sure he is rendered irrelevant and off the ballot when it comes to electing our prez.


Very difficult (if not impossible) to win in a system that requires $$$$ to participate from those who control and provide $$$$...

Like campaigning on gold/silver currency when your campaign fund operates on FRNs....not to mention media and everyone else!

Amen brutha! Even moreso when your plans and promises involve abolishing the entities and illegal, unconstitutional and criminal practices of those who oversee and control said monetary system.


Yeppers....just ain't gonna happen unless people rise up and FORCE said controllers to accept the man....and that process would destroy the apple cart in the process.
If you really want to change things, you first need to come to terms with just how corrupt and evil the current system is.

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Re: What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Look Like?

Postby mattctr » Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:32 pm

I'll support the idea of getting him on the public stage again. He may never be given a real opportunity to win, but he can sure earn his place on the stage to provide a witness and a warning to the nation. His speeches over the years remind me of Abinadi. Obviously not on the same level, or while facing death, but his brave, true words will echo as a witness against those who could have made a difference when it mattered.
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Re: What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Look Like?

Postby HeirofNumenor » Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:22 pm

Obviously not on the same level, or while facing death,


...yet :-o
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Re: What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Look Like?

Postby Teancum » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:05 pm

mattctr wrote:I'll support the idea of getting him on the public stage again. He may never be given a real opportunity to win, but he can sure earn his place on the stage to provide a witness and a warning to the nation. His speeches over the years remind me of Abinadi. Obviously not on the same level, or while facing death, but his brave, true words will echo as a witness against those who could have made a difference when it mattered.


That is what I'm talking about! Just let Ron Paul into the debates and expose all the Gads' tactics to the public. I support that regardless of whether or not he has a shot at really winning the presidency. As for Abinadi... We will just have to wait and see... :(
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Re: What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Look Like?

Postby lundbaek » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:27 pm

I note that five YAL (Yong Americans for Liberty) chapters were selected to host Congressman Paul on their university campuses this Spring. Pity that BYU is not among those.
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Re: What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Look Like?

Postby Jacket250 » Mon May 23, 2011 3:30 am

lundbaek wrote:Diablo 3 Items Transition from where we are now back to the proper role of government would have to be a gradual process, and we could expect considerable resistance from most members of Congress and probably from most Americans as well. I just hope he lasts long enough that I can vote for him.


I just hope he lasts long enough that I can vote for him

Yeah good idea :)) :))
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Re: What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Look Like?

Postby Midas Mulligan » Sun May 29, 2011 1:00 pm

With the electronic voting machines these days, it doesn't matter who you vote for. What matters is who counts the votes. Dr. Paul could get a majority of votes and still lose as 'miraculously' the votes will somehow go to the puppet of choice for the powers that be...
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Re: What Would a Ron Paul Presidency Look Like?

Postby Samuel the Lamanite » Sun May 29, 2011 5:32 pm

The only difference would be a large group of Tea Party Congressmen and Senators win along with Ron Paul. I have little hope for America. Why? because so very few Mormons with the power of the Priesthood will stand up and save the Constitution. Most are behind the GR Mitt Romney.
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