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Mitt Romney: 'I'm Not Apologizing For' Unrighteous Dominion

Postby Like » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:46 am




Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is calling on President Barack Obama to "press the pause button" on the federal health care overhaul in the wake of a judge's decision declaring it unconstitutional.

Romney told ABC's "Good Morning America" on Tuesday that "we don't need the government imposing a one-size-fits-all system" on the states.

Romney acknowledged that his own health care law in Massachusetts contained the same kind of individual insurance mandate that a judge in Florida found unconstitutional in the federal law, but says he isn't apologizing for it.

"I'm not apologizing for it," he said. "I'm indicating that we went in one direction and there are other possible directions. I'd like to see states pursue their own ideas, see which ideas work best."

Republican strategist and Fox News contributor Karl Rove recently called on Romney to admit he was wrong for helping to advance the health care plan.

Last fall, Texas GOP Gov. Rick Perry addressed the issue in a similar manner. Comparing the measure to that signed into law by the president last year he said, "But the fact is: they are so similar that it is going to be a major anchor unless he stands up and repudiates that approach."

Romney, who unsuccessfully sought the Republican presidential nomination in 2008, sought to make a distinction between the options that a state might choose under the 10th Amendment compared with Washington deciding the policy for all states in a single legislative act.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/0 ... 16765.html



Does anyone have Mitt's email address? I would like to send him a link to "Many are Call, But Few Are Choosen", I think he does not understand what unrighteous dominion is.
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Re: Mitt Romney: 'I'm Not Apologizing For' Unrighteous Domin

Postby Like » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:29 pm

THANKS JulesGP!!!!!!!
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Re: Mitt Romney: 'I'm Not Apologizing For' Unrighteous Domin

Postby Like » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:40 pm

Hmm, I can not get the form to accept my address. Maybe I need to live Massachusetts. I will ask my home teacher, he served in Massachusetts and became friends with him. I am not sure if he keeps in touch. If he keeps in touch as much as he home teaches I am sure he won't know how to get in touch with him any more.
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Re: Mitt Romney: 'I'm Not Apologizing For' Unrighteous Domin

Postby Like » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:46 pm

Wow JulesGP, you are full of great links!

I think this address will work.

Thanks again!
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Re: Mitt Romney: 'I'm Not Apologizing For' Unrighteous Domin

Postby Like » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:37 pm

Well the email went through as far as I can tell. I basically just sent the link and asked him to read it and I asked him to consider living the principles it teaches.

I think Mitt is too far invested in defending his position and I fear the smoke screen agreement is too thick for some people to see through. Mitt's primary focus should be fighting against unrighteous dominion and against government force against the individual. His mistakes are so huge and at this point it should be clear that our votes and confidence should go to more worthy individuals.
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Re: Mitt Romney: 'I'm Not Apologizing For' Unrighteous Domin

Postby iamse7en » Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:53 am

I don't know anything about the Mass. constitution, but to give him the benefit of the doubt, he's right. Any powers not delegated to the federal gov't are reserved to the states. However, that doesn't mean it's a good idea. To be honest, there's very little one state can do to fix the fascialistic healthcare system. A state could do all in it's power to get closer to market forces, but it's a gov't-created cartel like many other industries. But forcing people to opt into this cartel, all the while relying on more federal aid to make it possible, is going in the completely wrong direction. If anything, I hope the Mass. "experiment" (with its rising costs & premiums, price controls, and gross capital distortion) just shows the rest of the states what NOT to do.

I would never vote for Brother Romney, but he's no conspirator. He may be spineless when it comes to admitting mistakes (which politician isn't - well, except one, and he hardly makes mistakes), but he has a good heart. It's just that he's simply wrong on many issues. He's a big-government solutions guy masquerading himself as one who believes in free markets. And many LDS folk are blinded, naive, or ignorant about that. I know I was.
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Re: Mitt Romney: 'I'm Not Apologizing For' Unrighteous Domin

Postby Janadele » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:44 am

Contacts:

http://freestrongamerica.com/

http://freestrongamerica.com/blog/2011/ ... -america-0

mittromney@freestrongamerica.com

http://www.facebook.com/mittromney

Why would a Latter-day Saint not want to vote for Mitt? Who could be a better leader? United we stand, divided we fall.
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Re: Mitt Romney: 'I'm Not Apologizing For' Unrighteous Domin

Postby iamse7en » Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:09 pm

Janadele ©®™ wrote:Contacts:

http://freestrongamerica.com/

http://freestrongamerica.com/blog/2011/ ... -america-0

mittromney@freestrongamerica.com

http://www.facebook.com/mittromney

Why would a Latter-day Saint not want to vote for Mitt? Who could be a better leader? United we stand, divided we fall.


Hang around here long enough and you'll wake up. However, I have a feeling this will be your first and last post. Mittbots, stay away unless you want to have an honest discussion about the Constitution.
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Re: Mitt Romney: 'I'm Not Apologizing For' Unrighteous Domin

Postby Janadele » Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:41 pm

:( iamse7en and JulesGP... both of your responses are hardly what one would expect from a genuine Latter-day Saint.
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Postby Janadele » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:12 pm

I find this difficult to understand. Over the years I have followed Mitt, and the only flaw I can see is that he sometimes drinks Vanilla Coke, which I believe is against the true spirit of the Word of Wisdom. Otherwise, what have you against him?
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Re: Mitt Romney: 'I'm Not Apologizing For' Unrighteous Domin

Postby freedomfighter » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:40 pm

Janadele ©®™ wrote:Contacts:

http://freestrongamerica.com/

http://freestrongamerica.com/blog/2011/ ... -america-0

mittromney@freestrongamerica.com

http://www.facebook.com/mittromney

Why would a Latter-day Saint not want to vote for Mitt? Who could be a better leader? United we stand, divided we fall.


Anyone, LDS or not that knows the Obama healhcare bill is unconstitutional and that it contains other topics not pertaining to healthcare that are Socialistic in nature should not vote for Romney just because he's LDS. Go to the Temple and you'll hear about thieves having been inside the Lord's House. LDS does'nt mean "clean and pure." Put a LDS in office that is anything less than sincere about the Constitution and what it stands for can give the whole church a worse name than it does already. Ideally, we want someone who asks, "What Would Jesus Do?" United we stand, but be cautious as to who you want in office, and be certain they are looking out for your best interests, and not their own political aspirations, agenda and gain.
It takes INDEPENDENCE of mind, HONESTY of heart, FAITH in God, FIRMNESS of character to live the life of a LDS in the face of a frowning world and in the midst of trials, troubles and persecution.
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Re: Mitt Romney: 'I'm Not Apologizing For' Unrighteous Domin

Postby freedomfighter » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:58 pm

Janadele wrote::( iamse7en and JulesGP... both of your responses are hardly what one would expect from a genuine Latter-day Saint.


Define genuine Latter-Day-Saint. This was a rather rude thing to say to Jules. And she is right in her thinking.

Is a genuine Latter-Day-Saint someone who studies the Constitution and strives to, at least, bring to light the wrongs encroached on others, LDS or not, or is he/she someone that makes judgements without verifying whether someone else is right or not? Most everyone on this forum, though varying in ideas and perceptions at times, are studying, learning and voicing truths and ideas to be considered by all.
It takes INDEPENDENCE of mind, HONESTY of heart, FAITH in God, FIRMNESS of character to live the life of a LDS in the face of a frowning world and in the midst of trials, troubles and persecution.
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Re: Mitt Romney: 'I'm Not Apologizing For' Unrighteous Domin

Postby freedomfighter » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:03 pm

iamse7en wrote:
Janadele ©®™ wrote:Contacts:

http://freestrongamerica.com/

http://freestrongamerica.com/blog/2011/ ... -america-0

mittromney@freestrongamerica.com

http://www.facebook.com/mittromney

Why would a Latter-day Saint not want to vote for Mitt? Who could be a better leader? United we stand, divided we fall.


Hang around here long enough and you'll wake up. However, I have a feeling this will be your first and last post. Mittbots, stay away unless you want to have an honest discussion about the Constitution.


Amen! :)) :)) :ymapplause: :ymapplause:
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Postby Janadele » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:06 pm

iamse7en... thank you for your email. Certainly none can deny the gravity of the financial situation facing America, but Mitt Romney is not the cause, and who else other than he is more qualified to attempt to deal with the crisis?

Whether we like Governments or not, someone has to be elected to face this unenviable situation. Aid to other countries is still being handed out. America should look after her own and let every other country do the same. Charity begins at home. Stop immigration legal or illegal. Purchase only what has been produced in the US.
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Re: Mitt Romney: 'I'm Not Apologizing For' Unrighteous Domin

Postby iamse7en » Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:12 am

Romney supports:

  • Maintaining the ponzi welfare state (ss, medicare/caid, unemployment ins, etc)
  • Expanding the warfare state and thus, payouts to military industrial complex, more illegal/unconstitutional wars, expansion of empire
  • Maintaining the ponzi banking cartel (supports and defends the core plank of communism: a central bank with exclusive monopoly over money and credit, supported the immoral, evil, and corporatist bailouts (from Fed, Treasury, and FDIC), doesn't understand the causes of financial crisis, and is thus a puppet to the money-changers
  • The evil, unconstitutional patriot act, which is in direct opposition to the 4th amendment
  • The racist and poor-crippling minimum wage
  • The destructive and unconstitutional federal spending on education, including NCLB
  • Unconstitutional, corporate handouts of federal spending on energy, technology, and other initiatives
  • And many more unconstitutional ideas and principles of statism

I would urge you to to follow the 1st Presidency's counsel to only support those "who are truly dedicated to the Constitution in the tradition of our Founding Fathers." Mitt Romney is hardly that.

And I haven't even mentioned his record as governor, which is an indication of his unconstitutional, big-government solutions that increase the size, scope, and power of government.

You should also know this is coming from an ex-Romney supporter. I was naive and blinded, until I studied the constitution, studied the words of our prophets, and studied the principles of liberty. I would urge you to do the same. Brother Romney has a good heart, I believe, but he is a statist and would not uphold his duty to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution." I would urge you to also read the ideas of Ron Paul. This will help you to wake up.
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Re: Mitt Romney.

Postby Janadele » Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:36 am

As fine a man as he may be, Ron Paul is not LDS, whereas Mitt has served as a Bishop, Stake President, and as a missionary. He and his family have had a long time commitment to the LDS Church and hold Temple Recommends. Added to this, his worldly qualifications and experiences strengthen even further his suitability as a world leader.

I have followed the talks on the American Constitution from Elder Oaks, which I have found enlightening. However, I am not a voter in the US elections, so I do not have this decision to make personally... but what I have read and seen of Mitt over the years is certainly impressive.
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Re: Mitt Romney.

Postby Like » Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:52 am

Janadele ©®™ wrote:As fine a man as he may be, Ron Paul is not LDS,.....



Ron Paul has be more true to righteous principles and the U.S. Constitution than any other political figure on the scene in the last decade or two that I know of. You may enjoy reading MANY ARE CALLED BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN by H. VERLAN ANDERSEN(a past LDS general authority), which talks about force and when it is right for government to use force and when it is evil to use the force of government.

Here is a link to the book: http://www.latterdayconservative.com/do ... Chosen.pdf


The Lord caused the U.S. Constitution to be establish, and The Prophet Joseph Smith once described himself as "the greatest advocate of the Constitution of the United States there is on the earth" (HC 6:56-57). Ron Paul is "the greatest advocate of the Constitution of the United States there is on the earth", today as political figures goes. That is what I look for in a political figure. Ron Paul's understanding of the core principle of respect for moral agency in the U.S. Constitution is why he would have my vote. No other political figure (including the LDS ones)understands or acts more in line with this principle other than Ron Paul.
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Re: Mitt Romney.

Postby iamse7en » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:03 am

Janadele ©®™ wrote:As fine a man as he may be, Ron Paul is not LDS, whereas Mitt has served as a Bishop, Stake President, and as a missionary. He and his family have had a long time commitment to the LDS Church and hold Temple Recommends. Added to this, his worldly qualifications and experiences strengthen even further his suitability as a world leader.

I have followed the talks on the American Constitution from Elder Oaks, which I have found enlightening. However, I am not a voter in the US elections, so I do not have this decision to make personally... but what I have read and seen of Mitt over the years is certainly impressive.


a) The First Presidency didn't ask us to support candidates who hold temple recommends and served in leadership positions. You might as well convince Harry Reid to run by that logic. They said to support those "who are truly dedicated to the Constitution in the tradition of our Founding Fathers.'"

b) If you're looking for a "world leader," then perhaps Romney is your man, because he wants to expand the empire at the expense of our own safety and dollar (and economy). Or you can choose any of the Ds and Rs, because they all end up as puppets in the hands of money-changers and the military-industrial complex.

c) It isn't about the voting. It's about supporting, defending, and spreading the ideas of liberty, which is really a large subset of the Gospel. We are commanded to "waste and wear out our lives in bringing to light all the hidden things of darkness" and to be aware "of this secret combination which shall be among you," which "seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil." This isn't just a U.S. issue. Look at the world around us in turmoil due to tyrants, war, unemployment, and food inflation - then ask how much of it is due to "American" policy. You should be involved despite not being able to vote. Which is why I urge you to read and study all of these important things.
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Re: Mitt Romney: 'I'm Not Apologizing For' Unrighteous Domin

Postby lundbaek » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:51 am

Ron Paul has been true to righteous principles and the U.S. Constitution, but so has/is Constitution Party presidential candidate Chuck Baldwin and his running mate, Darrell Castle. When Ron Paul dropped out of the race, he publicly endorsed Chuck Baldwin. I realize most people don't consider any candidate from the CP as having a prayer's chance in a barroom or getting elected, but his candidacy in 2008 provided opprtunity to continue to promote moral and constitutional principles right up until the final bell on election day. I stumped for Baldwin & Castle in Arizona and in so doing had many opportunities to preach the principles of the original constitution to over 1000 people, which was more than I had hoped to accomplish.
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Re: Mitt Romney: 'I'm Not Apologizing For' Unrighteous Domin

Postby Like » Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:17 am

lundbaek wrote:Ron Paul has been true to righteous principles and the U.S. Constitution, but so has/is Constitution Party presidential candidate Chuck Baldwin and his running mate, Darrell Castle. When Ron Paul dropped out of the race, he publicly endorsed Chuck Baldwin. I realize most people don't consider any candidate from the CP as having a prayer's chance in a barroom or getting elected, but his candidacy in 2008 provided opprtunity to continue to promote moral and constitutional principles right up until the final bell on election day. I stumped for Baldwin & Castle in Arizona and in so doing had many opportunities to preach the principles of the original constitution to over 1000 people, which was more than I had hoped to accomplish.



Yes that's very true. I voted for Chuck Baldwin / Darrell Castle in 2008, I love those guys!!
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Re: Mitt Romney: 'I'm Not Apologizing For' Unrighteous Domin

Postby mchlwise » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:14 pm

I'm surprised nobody's brought up Mr. Romney's denial of the first vision yet.

He's far busier trying to get elected and to gain power than he is living his religion. The things that have come out of the mouth of this particular former bishop and stake president, as he tries to say what he thinks people want to hear, are quite surprising.
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Postby Janadele » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:45 pm

I for one I have not heard of any such thing. Where did you see this accusation?
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Postby Like » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:48 pm

mchlwise wrote:I'm surprised nobody's brought up Mr. Romney's denial of the first vision yet.

He's far busier trying to get elected and to gain power than he is living his religion. The things that have come out of the mouth of this particular former bishop and stake president, as he tries to say what he thinks people want to hear, are quite surprising.



I would not call it a denial, just a slip up under pressure :

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Re: Mitt Romney: 'I'm Not Apologizing For' Unrighteous Domin

Postby lundbaek » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:53 pm

To be fair, I have to say that Mitt Romney did not deny the First Vision, but rather failed to acknowledge that God has spoken to man, including in person to Joseph Smith. I do not think that was a mistake on his part, but an attempt to avoid criticism for his belief that God did, in fact, speak to Joseph Smith. I can only chalk it up to cowardice. I'm sure he knows he did wrong, just as he surely knows his RomneyCare is a violation of people's free agency. RomneyCare is a violation of man’s freedom to choose during this earth testing period. He tries to differentiate his plan from Obamacare by saying it is a state’s rights approach—but mandating the purchase of health insurance isn’t any less onerous because our local government does it to us. He also compromised his principles as governor of Massachusetts in pandering to homosexuals, giving in on some abortion rights. It also appears that he does not realize it is the job of Congress to declare war, not the President. And his selection of advisors from the CFR indicaates to me he might be a willing tool of the globalists. Please don't anybody try to tell me that Mitt Romney is a good representative of the Church. He seems to lack the intellect to understand the US Constitution and.or the integrity to be guided by it.
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Re: Response to mchlwise

Postby shadow » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:54 pm

Janadele ©®™ wrote:I for one I have not heard of any such thing. Where did you see this accusation?

He didn't actually deny it but for some people with extra-active imaginations they interpret his lack of mentioning it as a denial. Knowing that a person will be judged by how they judge others I fear for a few here...

That said, I haven't been a supporter of Mitt either.
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Re: Mitt Romney

Postby Janadele » Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:23 pm

Mitt Romney is not officially representing the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He has publically confirmed his allegiance to, and active membership of the LDS Church, leads by example and refers questions on LDS doctrines and teachings to the full time missionaries and Church representatives. It would have been inappropriate for him to do otherwise on the political stage.
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Re: Mitt Romney

Postby Janadele » Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:48 pm

Mitt takes the doctrine of free agency seriously, it is a fine line when political decisions on matters affecting others are required. Mitt was not a dictator in Massachusetts, his was not the sole decision making voice... many others had input, influence and rights of opinion which determined policies.
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Re: Mitt Romney: 'I'm Not Apologizing For' Unrighteous Domin

Postby Mummy » Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:51 pm

Mitt supports porn, unrighteous wars, unrighteous dominion, abortion, etc etc etc etc
If you really want to change things, you first need to come to terms with just how corrupt and evil the current system is.

An incomplete understanding of the situation will lead to half baked solutions that accomplish nothing!

See Jason!
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Re: Mitt Romney: 'I'm Not Apologizing For' Unrighteous Domin

Postby Janadele » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:21 pm

That is untrue. Having been on the board of directors of Marriott does not mean any of the directors support porn.

Mitt has never supported abortion personally. That many years ago he struggled to equate the principles of free agency with legislating what a woman could choose to do, did not ever mean he favoured abortion. For years now he has actively declared that the rights of the baby to life overrule any rights of free agency of the mother.
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