We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29, 45,

[Geeswellcaptain of 100]

I thought the bit about how there will probably not be martial law in the USA was interesting. I tend to lean towards that view. I simply don't see how we can be so spread out over the world with our troops and then do it here in the USA as well.

the cops couldn't do it either. that would just mean they would be suicidal. I know a lot of Cops in this area who would sooner quit than try and take guns away from the people much less crack down with complete martial law.

Good link with the articles, thanks!

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

VEry insightful discussion between the two -- thank you, Infowarrior for posting. I'm listening now, and you're certainly right -- Joel identifies the globalists versus Russia and China and the present and impending stuggles, consistent with our discussion in this thread of the Book of Revelation vision of the Last Days.

[Raindropcaptain of 100]

"...Many could see the seeds of the downfall of our nation and they desired to go into the Land Northward. And there were others who saw that much of the country was wasted and yet the Lamanites persisted. Therefore, many desired to move, as our father Nephi moved, away from the threat." Book of Hagoth, verse 4

Started reading the "Mentinah Archives" which is online for free, found here:
http://mentinah.com/main/mentinah/books ... lume_1.pdf

[Geeswellcaptain of 100]

"...Many could see the seeds of the downfall of our nation and they desired to go into the Land Northward. And there were others who saw that much of the country was wasted and yet the Lamanites persisted. Therefore, many desired to move, as our father Nephi moved, away from the threat." Book of Hagoth, verse 4

Started reading the "Mentinah Archives" which is online for free, found here:
http://mentinah.com/main/mentinah/books ... lume_1.pdf

book of HAGOTH? i know who hagoth is. the man who led people out of the country into the isles if i remember correctly. where is this verse tho? what is this book of hagoth?

[Geeswellcaptain of 100]

ok never mind, i'm reading the document atm.

i was just thrown for a loop when you said book of hagoth. I never knew this existed.

i wonder why the Prophet or one of the Apostles couldn't just translate it? perhaps the Lord didn't feel it was needful...

interesting nonetheless!

[InfoWarrior82captain of 1,000]

ok never mind, i'm reading the document atm.

i was just thrown for a loop when you said book of hagoth. I never knew this existed.

i wonder why the Prophet or one of the Apostles couldn't just translate it? perhaps the Lord didn't feel it was needful...

interesting nonetheless!

Hm.. In the foreword, it said that Brigham Young didn't have the means to translate it. Maybe the urim and thumim was not in their possession at the time?

[larsenbcaptain of 1,000]

Found Alex Jones' entire interview with Joel Skousen! Enjoy!

Thanks for posting. I let my subscription to Joel lapse this year after reading him for around 10 years. Will probably re-subscribe. I've always respected his point of view.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Found Alex Jones' entire interview with Joel Skousen! Enjoy!

Thanks for posting. I let my subscription to Joel lapse this year after reading him for around 10 years. Will probably re-subscribe. I've always respected his point of view.

Note that the AVOW forum (started long ago by Roger Young, but he posts there infrequently now) posts Joel Skousen's newsletter each month. So if you subscribe to AVOW, you get Joel's newsletter as part of the deal. It costs $34.95/year. The AVOW forum has improved dramatically in the last six months or so -- frankly, I often post here on the LDS Freedom forum AND on also AVOW.

While some there believe in an imminent "call-out" to girls' camps by the Church, certainly not all subscribe to that belief! (I do not, for example.) Nor is that issue discussed much any more.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

CORRECTION: I'm not sure that giving some sort of DATE is a good idea... and I withdraw the "before the election prediction" I've talked about (although it could happen -- a stock market melt-down, for instance).

I plan to stick with the revelations the Lord has given regarding the last days. Today I feel a particular poignancy about these scriptures regarding a devastating sickness to come:

D&C 45: 31
31 And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land.

Isa. 28: 15, 18
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with h ell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
• • •
18 ¶ And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with h ell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

From the latter scripture, one might gather that those who orchestrate a devastating sickness, who have "made a covenant with death" and "made lies our refuge" -- will themselves fall into the pit they dug for others, and catch the sickness among themselves...

1 Ne. 14: 3
...yea, that great pit which hath been digged for the destruction of men shall be filled by those who digged it, unto their utter destruction, saith the Lamb of God;

[InfoWarrior82captain of 1,000]

To me, that's way scarier than WW3!

[Geeswellcaptain of 100]

CORRECTION: I'm not sure that giving some sort of DATE is a good idea... and I withdraw the "before the election prediction" I've talked about (although it could happen -- a stock market melt-down, for instance).

I plan to stick with the revelations the Lord has given regarding the last days. Today I feel a particular poignancy about these scriptures regarding a devastating sickness to come:

D&C 45: 31
31 And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land.

Isa. 28: 15, 18
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with h ell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
• • •
18 ¶ And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with h ell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

From the latter scripture, one might gather that those who orchestrate a devastating sickness, who have "made a covenant with death" and "made lies our refuge" -- will themselves fall into the pit they dug for others, and catch the sickness among themselves...

1 Ne. 14: 3
...yea, that great pit which hath been digged for the destruction of men shall be filled by those who digged it, unto their utter destruction, saith the Lamb of God;

Thanks, Doc

I'm interested in the line that says: "And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge..."

I wonder if this means anything more than "people will live to see a scourge..." I find there arn't many redundancies in the scriptures, so that is why it is interesting to me.

does that mean they who created the scourge will live to see its destroying effect? the phrase "they shall not pass until..." gets me because it sounds so interesting.

I just don't see the point of saying, people are going to live to see a scourge. that's obvious isnt it?

thanks

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Interesting developments this week, as we recall the prophecy in Revelation that the whore Babylon will be exposed -- the truth will be known...

The Iranian President speaks to the UN with QUESTIONS and a request for investigation of 9/11 events, Obama responds that that asking such questions is "HATEFUL".

Barack Obama condemns Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's UN speech

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11407326

Barack Obama: "It was offensive. It was hateful"

Whatever happened to freedom of inquiry? Well, John says the truth will be known despite the efforts of the whore Babylon for "secrecy"...

From the Haaretz, today:

Published 15:45 25.09.10
Latest update 15:45 25.09.10
Ahmadinejad calls Obama reaction to 9/11 comments 'insulting'
Iranian president tells reporters he is justified in questioning the motives behind the 2001 terror attack.
By DPA Tags: Iran Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Barack Obama UN 9/11


Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who recently accused the U.S. of involvement in the September 11, 2001 terror attacks, fired back at criticism waged against him saying Saturday that "the reaction [by U.S. President Barack Obama] was very amateurish … if there is nothing to hide, just present the relevant documents to the fact-finding team so that we can all together fight against the involved terrorists."

Ahmadinejad told reporters upon his arrival in Tehran from New York that "I just raised one simple question and it is not right that whoever poses a question is insulted afterwards."

The Iranian president said during his address before the United Nations General Assembly earlier this week that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been used against Muslims around the world, and used as a pretext for invading Afghanistan and Iraq.

"We should not allow this incident to be turned into another holy and untouchable issue," Ahmadinejad said - a reference to the Holocaust, which the Iranian president considers a pretext for Israel's occupation of Palestinian lands.

"The U.S. cannot raise a claim and issue a one-sided verdict, and based upon that, dictate its policies to other countries and accuse any state opposing the U.S. version of terrorism," he added.

Ahmadinejad said during a news conference on Friday that his remarks at the General Assembly were not meant to hurt the feelings of Americans, but rather to show that the U.S. government had used the tragedy to kill "tens of thousands of people in Iraq and Afghanistan."

Asked whether he should apologize for the remarks, Ahmadinejad shot back: "Why should the statements be perceived negatively? We have expressed our sympathies to those killed on September 11. We must now find the root causes."

Nearly 3,000 people died on September 11, 2001, including more than 2,700 in New York City when two hijacked planes crashed into the World Trade Center.

Iran's state television network said in a statement that there was a "media competition" between Ahmadinejad and Obama in New York, which "Ahmadinejad had clearly won, and that the interview with BBC Persian "could not save Obama."

Since his arrival in the U.S. on Monday, Ahmadinejad held several exclusive interviews with the U.S. media, with the apparent aim of clarifying the Iranian stance to the American public.

[ready2preparecaptain of 1,000]

I'm beginning to think more and more that
Mr. Ahmadinejad is crazy all right-- crazy
like a fox! He can't outmuscle the TPTB but
he just MIGHT outsmart them!

Remember "The Mouse That Roared?" With
a little make-up Mr. Ahmadinejad could even
take the place of Peter Sellers in a modern-
day re-make of the film.

Yes! I need a laugh! I think I'll go watch that
movie again!

Best Regards,
Sharon in Mississippi

[NoGreaterLovecaptain of 1,000]

Dr Jones I saw where you post on this thread that the whore is the banking inst. etc..
Let me just throw this out there. How about the beast being Satan himself and those who support secret combinations such as the NWO and banking inst. etc.
Then how about the ten kings who support the beast in destroying the whore being thought of as the nations who are separate from the U.S. and one with the beast.
The whore, Babylon, mystery in this case would represent the U.S. who is supported by the beast and the ten kings to bring about their purposes.


Beast= Satan, secret combinations, supporting the whore until he turns on her.
10 kings=kingdoms supporting the beast and eventually turning on the whore
Whore, Babylon=United States, who is destroyed when the beast supported by the 10 kingdoms turns on her.

[pritchet1captain of 1,000]

We've been given Apostolic promises that the Constitution will not be utterly destroyed. If the Gospel is to go forth from Zion, then the US or the land on which folks reside and are located on can be swept off, but the Priesthood will not be taken from the earth.

The "Whore" is everything (all those institutions) that is not of the Kingdom of God.

[SmallFarmcaptain of 1,000]

We've been given Apostolic promises that the Constitution will not be utterly destroyed. If the Gospel is to go forth from Zion, then the US or the land on which folks reside and are located on can be swept off, but the Priesthood will not be taken from the earth.

The "Whore" is everything (all those institutions) that is not of the Kingdom of God.

The whore can't be everything that is not the Kingdom of God, else how would the beast turn against her and "burn and scourge" her. In my opinion, the whore is the apostate church, or in other words, those who have recieved the truth but have gone after false gods (i.e. money, etc.).

[NoGreaterLovecaptain of 1,000]

I guess I should clarify my thoughts a little more. I do not think the Whore is the U.S. per se, but the secret combinations that is within the U.S. that support her in her persecution of the saints. Daniels vision goes to great length to describe the whore, beast and 10 kings as separate entities who are participating in persecuting the saints. He says the beast was, is not and will be. He talks about the beast and the ten kings turning against the whore and destroyer her by fire in one day. So this obviously is the bad killing off the bad.
The beast, whore and 10 kings are different entities. The beast supports the whore. The ten kings join with the beast to destroy the whore later. The beast and ten kings are still alive until they gather in one spot where Christ destroys them.

[Squallycaptain of 1,000]

We've been given Apostolic promises that the Constitution will not be utterly destroyed. If the Gospel is to go forth from Zion, then the US or the land on which folks reside and are located on can be swept off, but the Priesthood will not be taken from the earth.

The "Whore" is everything (all those institutions) that is not of the Kingdom of God.

So what does that mean exactly regarding the government of United States, will it completely fail?

[pritchet1captain of 1,000]

It has completely failed already. It is just being propped up with false hope and a little change left in our pockets.

[Squallycaptain of 1,000]

It has completely failed already. It is just being propped up with false hope and a little change left in our pockets.

[pritchet1captain of 1,000]

GlAD I COULD MAKE SOMEBODY HAPPY TODAY

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

I have re-read my post #1 and some of the other posts -- thanks for all the input! It has been fun and instructive. A very brief summary follows.

There are three principal entities that John speaks of in Revelation, active in the last days. These are:

1. The whore Babylon, who seeks power over the earth by merchandising, money/debt, addictive drugs (in the golden goblet), etc. Worshipped by seven principal kings (nations), possibly G7. John is concerned that Saints of the last-days will become enamored by the whore Babylon, and he repeatedly warns, "Come out of Babylon... that ye receive not of her plagues."

REV. 18: 1 I saw another angel come down from heaven...
[2] And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit...
[3] For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
[4] And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

The whore Babylon IMO corresponds with the Gadiantons of the Book of Mormon, who seek "sole management of the government" (Helaman 6:38-39) while remaining hidden to most of the people (Hel. 7-10, etc).

2. The red Beast with seven heads (principal nations) and ten horns (other nations adding their power). Ridden and controlled for a long time by Babylon, but turns on the whore and inflicts a fatal blow on her principal city, destroying it with great fire and smoke "in one hour," such that the merchants fear to even come near the city anymore. (Rev. 18 ) This yet-future attack appears nuclear from John's description, but could be biological ("overflowing scourge") or even economic, or a combination. The whore Babylon has "Mystery" written on her forehead (Rev 17:5) but shall be exposed by the red-Beast nations (Rev 17:16). IMO, this will include disclosure of the hidden acts of the whore Babylon (9/11? bank and corporate bailouts- to whom?) as she has sought world domination.

3. The good woman, whom Pres. Benson has identified as the Church. After the "wicked fight the wicked", vying for world power and effectively destroying each other (Rev. 18-20), the good woman emerges victorious in the building of the invincible New Jerusalem. There will be a final great battle.

Rev. 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

The Savior comes to the New Jerusalem to reign in peace for a millenium, having cleansed the earth.

REV 21: [2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
[3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
[4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
[5] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
[6] And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
[7] He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

[NoGreaterLovecaptain of 1,000]

• 1 Ne. 14: 10-12
10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the bother is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.
11 And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over ball the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people.
12 And it came to pass that I beheld the church of the Lamb of God, and its numbers were few, because of the wickedness and abominations of the whore who sat upon many waters; nevertheless, I beheld that the church of the Lamb, who were the saints of God, were also upon ball the face of the earth; and their dominions upon the face of the earth were small, because of the wickedness of the great whore whom I saw.
• Rev. 17: 1, 15-16
1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
• • •
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
• 1 Ne. 22: 13-14
13 And the blood of that great and abominable church, which is the whore of all the earth, shall turn upon their own heads; for they shall war among themselves, and the sword of their own hands shall fall upon their own heads, and they shall be drunken with their own blood.
14 And every nation which shall war against thee, O house of Israel, shall be turned one against another, and they shall fall into the pit which they digged to ensnare the people of the Lord. And all that fight against Zion shall be destroyed, and that great whore, who hath perverted the right ways of the Lord, yea, that great and abominable church, shall tumble to the dust and great shall be the fall of it.
• Rev. 19: 2
2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
• 2 Ne. 10: 16
16 Wherefore, he that fighteth against Zion, both Jew and Gentile, both bond and free, both male and female, shall perish; for they are they who are the whore of all the earth; for they who are gnot for me are against me, saith our God.
• 2 Ne. 28: 18
18 But behold, that great and abominable church, the whore of all the earth, must tumble to the earth, and great must be the fall thereof.
• D&C 29: 21
21 And the great and abominable church, which is the whore of all the earth, shall be cast down by devouring fire, according as it is spoken by the mouth of Ezekiel the prophet, who spoke of these things, which have not come to pass but surely must, as I live, for abominations shall not reign.
• D&C 86: 3
3 And after they have fallen asleep the great persecutor of the church, the apostate, the whore, even Babylon, that maketh all nations to drink of her cup, in whose hearts the enemy, even Satan, sitteth to reign—behold he soweth the tares; wherefore, the tares choke the wheat and drive the church into the wilderness.


This should give us a good definition of what the whore is.
It is by definition anyone who is not of the Church of the Lamb, can be Gentile or Jew, bond or free, male or female, is in all nations and people, and controlled by Satan.

With that in mind, what are the tools the whore uses? I agree with you doc. Money, secret combinations, false churches, other organizations, etc. The next thing I want to look at it to define the ten horns and why they hate the whore and turn against her. I think this has something to do with "shall be turned one against another". Because the whore is destroyed by the very entities that were supporting her.
I will see what I can find.

[lundbaekcaptain of 1,000]

I can think of some members of the LDS Church who are better qualified as representative of the great and abominable church than others who are members of other faiths. And I'm sure some of you all can as well.

[NoGreaterLovecaptain of 1,000]

Dan. 7: 7-8, 11, 20-21, 24
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
• • •
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
• • •
20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
• • •
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings
• Rev. 17: 3, 7, 12, 16
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
• • •
7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
• • •
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
• • •
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
• Rev. 13: 1, 11
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
• • •
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
• Rev. 12: 3
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.


The ten horns are ten kings with power. They are given one hour with the beast. An eleventh king appears and subdues three of the kings. The eleventh king has power over the saints to persecute them. The ten kings hate the church of Satan and burn it with fire.

It appears to me that the U.S. is the eleventh king described as having power over the saints. If this is so, the U.S. is taking the lead in the persecution and is taking the lead when it comes to bringing about the purposes of the whore. The U.S. is where the prophets were slain while in the care of it's government.
So could it be that the ten kings hate the U.S. and turn against it? Devouring it by fire?
What three kings did we subdue? What ten kings came out of the beast? What does the beast represent?

[NoGreaterLovecaptain of 1,000]

I can think of some members of the LDS Church who are better qualified as representative of the great and abominable church than others who are members of other faiths. And I'm sure some of you all can as well.

With your permission, I would like to edit it.
I can think of some so called members of the LDS Church who are better qualified as representative of the great and abominable church than others who are members of other faiths. And I'm sure some of you all can as well.

[pritchet1captain of 1,000]

Finger-pointing members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as whores, accomplishes what?

Wolves in sheep's clothing, yes perhaps. Call them out for repentance, but not as representatives of the church as being whores of Babylon.

Those members of the Kingdom of God on earth who have made politics a career, need to retire and go do some real work for a change.

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Good quotes, NGL.

• D&C 86: 3
3 And after they have fallen asleep the great persecutor of the church, the apostate, the whore, even Babylon, that maketh all nations to drink of her cup, in whose hearts the enemy, even Satan, sitteth to reign—behold he soweth the tares; wherefore, the tares choke the wheat and drive the church into the wilderness.

Rev 17: 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
• • •
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

IMO, the whore Babylon represents the globalist banking elite and their corporate cronies (Monsanto, Halliburton, etc) "that maketh all nations to drink of her cup". She is worshipped by 7 principal nations, including the US and UK, Canada, etc. (G-7 is the core).

We see in Revelation that she rides the red Beast, but then the 7-headed Beast turns and fights the whore Babylon. I believe the red Beast is red China + Russia + her allies (N Korea, etc) and will be joined by ten nations (horns) shortly before the red Beast attacks Babylon. Aggressive wars of G-7 are likely to turn ten countries (including some of the Middle East) to link with the red Beast as she turns and attacks the whore Babylon. This could happen in the next few years as matters come to a head, just reading the newspaper along with the Book of Mormon, D&C and Bible.

[Mummycaptain of 1,000]

Good quotes, NGL.

• D&C 86: 3
3 And after they have fallen asleep the great persecutor of the church, the apostate, the whore, even Babylon, that maketh all nations to drink of her cup, in whose hearts the enemy, even Satan, sitteth to reign—behold he soweth the tares; wherefore, the tares choke the wheat and drive the church into the wilderness.

Rev 17: 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
• • •
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

IMO, the whore Babylon represents the globalist banking elite and their corporate cronies (Monsanto, Halliburton, etc) "that maketh all nations to drink of her cup". She is worshipped by 7 principal nations, including the US and UK, Canada, etc. (G-7 is the core).

We see in Revelation that she rides the red Beast, but then the 7-headed Beast turns and fights the whore Babylon. I believe the red Beast is red China + Russia + her allies (N Korea, etc) and will be joined by ten nations (horns) shortly before the red Beast attacks Babylon. Aggressive wars of G-7 are likely to turn ten countries (including some of the Middle East) to link with the red Beast as she turns and attacks the whore Babylon. This could happen in the next few years as matters come to a head, just reading the newspaper along with the Book of Mormon, D&C and Bible.

I would lean towards the ten horns being also the ten toes (Daniel=toes, Revelation=horns - kingdoms that reigned after the fall of the Holy Roman empire on December 2nd 1805).....fyi - Joseph Smith born December 23, 1805....

The Battle of Austerlitz, also known as the Battle of the Three Emperors, was Napoleon's greatest victory, where the French Empire effectively destroyed the Third Coalition. On 2 December 1805 (20 November Old Style, 11 Frimaire, XIV, in the French Republican Calendar), a French army, commanded by Emperor Napoleon I, decisively defeated a Russo-Austrian army, commanded by Tsar Alexander I, after nearly nine hours of difficult fighting. The battle took place near Austerlitz (Slavkov u Brna) about 10 km (6 miles) south-east of Brno in Moravia (present day Czech Republic). The battle is often regarded as a tactical masterpiece.

The French victory at Austerlitz effectively brought the Third Coalition to an end. On 26 December 1805, Austria and France signed the Treaty of Pressburg, which took Austria out of the war, reinforced the earlier treaties of Campo Formio and Lunéville, made Austria cede land to Napoleon's German allies, and imposed an indemnity of 40 million francs on the defeated Habsburgs. Russian troops were allowed to head back to home soil. Victory at Austerlitz also permitted the creation of the Confederation of the Rhine, a collection of German states intended as a buffer zone between France and central Europe. In 1806, the Holy Roman Empire ceased to exist when Holy Roman Emperor Francis II kept Francis I of Austria as his only official title. These achievements, however, did not establish a lasting peace on the continent. Prussian worries about growing French influence in Central Europe sparked the War of the Fourth Coalition in 1806.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Austerlitz

....the whore being the Holy Roman Empire that turned, twisted, and destroyed the church established by the Savior including the son of perdition, Justinian, who did away with the Daily Sacrifice in 530 AD.

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Good quotes, NGL.

• D&C 86: 3
3 And after they have fallen asleep the great persecutor of the church, the apostate, the whore, even Babylon, that maketh all nations to drink of her cup, in whose hearts the enemy, even Satan, sitteth to reign—behold he soweth the tares; wherefore, the tares choke the wheat and drive the church into the wilderness.

Rev 17: 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
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16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

IMO, the whore Babylon represents the globalist banking elite and their corporate cronies (Monsanto, Halliburton, etc) "that maketh all nations to drink of her cup". She is worshipped by 7 principal nations, including the US and UK, Canada, etc. (G-7 is the core).

We see in Revelation that she rides the red Beast, but then the 7-headed Beast turns and fights the whore Babylon. I believe the red Beast is red China + Russia + her allies (N Korea, etc) and will be joined by ten nations (horns) shortly before the red Beast attacks Babylon. Aggressive wars of G-7 are likely to turn ten countries (including some of the Middle East) to link with the red Beast as she turns and attacks the whore Babylon. This could happen in the next few years as matters come to a head, just reading the newspaper along with the Book of Mormon, D&C and Bible.

Just a note appreciation Doc to thank you for your insights on this important scriptural truth. It is becoming more obvious all the time that we are fastly approaching these amazing times that have been prophesied for thousands of years. We must come out of babylon and focus our energies on Zion and purifying our own hearts. That will become our only protection from the world-winds that are coming fast and furious.