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Postby LukeAir2008 » Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:45 am

NoGreaterLove wrote:
What nations form the seven heads of the scarlet Beast?


(JST Revelation 17.)

The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

IMOHO each head is a continent. If you were looking at the earth without water, you would see seven mountains. America being one of them.


The significance of seven is whole or complete. In other words the beast controls all of the continents and governments of the earth.


Yes thats one interpretation. That would make the seven mountains the entire earth which is an unlikely fit. There is also Rome which is built upon seven hills and which is probably the spiritual center of the economic/political/religious empire which is the Whore of babylon. :D
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Postby DrJones » Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:46 am

The "whore Babylon" described by John cannot (just) be ANCIENT ROME, for we have in modern revelation this added insight:

14 But, behold, I say unto you that before this great aday shall come the bsun shall be cdarkened, and the moon shall be turned into blood, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and there shall be greater dsigns in heaven above and in the earth beneath;
15 And there shall be weeping and awailing among the hosts of men;
16 And there shall be a great hailstorm sent forth to destroy the bcrops of the earth.
17 And it shall come to pass, because of the wickedness of the world, that I will take avengeance upon the bwicked, for they will not repent; for the ccup of mine dindignation is full; for behold, my eblood shall not fcleanse them if they hear me not.
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21 And the great and abominable church, which is the whore of all the earth, shall be cast down by devouring fire, according as it is spoken by the mouth of Ezekiel the prophet, who spoke of these things, which have not come to pass but surely must, as I live, for abominations shall not reign

D&C 29

Thus, the burning of the great city / the whore Babylon prophesied by John is yet future.
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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby DrJones » Sun Jul 11, 2010 7:47 am

I'm watching the motion of large numbers of US warships -- to Costa Rica and Iranian waters -- and I think something big is planned.

Our family is becoming more and more united in our preparations with a number of "places of refuge" to choose from (as the Book of Mormon says, Alma 48 ff), trusting the Lord to guide us:

15 And this was their faith, that by so doing God would prosper them in the land… yea, warn them to flee, or to prepare for war, according to their danger;
16 And also, that God would make it known unto them whither they should go… Alma 48


The trend of major events seems to point to a big move by the Gadiantons/whore Babylon before the November 2010 elections.

John the Beloved Revelator urges us to "come out of Babylon" that we not become partakers of her plagues... for after the day of Babylon's power comes her fall and judgement:

Rev.18

[1] And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
[2] And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
[3] For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
[4] And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
[5] For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
[6] Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
[7] How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
[8] Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
[9] And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
[10] Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.


Rev.17

[1] And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
[2] With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

[3] So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
[4] And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
[5] And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

[6] And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus...

[16] And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
[17] For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

[18] And the woman [the whore Babylon] which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.


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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, , D&C 29, 45,

Postby lundbaek » Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:56 am

Dr. Jones, almost 4 years ago as my wife and I were motoring from AZ to SLC we drove thru the area where you lived and I visited briefly with 2 members of this forum. I got the impression thaCertainly bettert because of the area and the people in general living there that it was a great place to live in terms of security and preparedness. Certainly better than anywhere else I've visited. Why would you want to leave there?

I am wary of isolation, which I think could only delay home invasions for a short while. The Randy Weaver incident brought that home to me.
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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby DrJones » Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:51 pm

lundbaek wrote:Dr. Jones, almost 4 years ago as my wife and I were motoring from AZ to SLC we drove thru the area where you lived and I visited briefly with 2 members of this forum. I got the impression thaCertainly bettert because of the area and the people in general living there that it was a great place to live in terms of security and preparedness. Certainly better than anywhere else I've visited. Why would you want to leave there?
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It is a wonderful place, where we have been blessed to move to... At the same time, Lezlee and I feel the need to have places of refuge (Captain Moroni style) to flee to as we prayerfully consider each "real or generated crisis." Such as martial law.
It is quite possible that not all families will need to leave their homes, but -- in time -- this may very well be the case, if we are to escape first the whore Babylon (martial law probable) and then the attacking red Beast's armies....

Let me add that with significant numbers of US warships near IRAN, CHINA and now approaching Costa Rican waters, I am willing to stick my neck out and predict that the "evil schemers" will do "something big" before the November 2010 elections.
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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby Jason » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:51 am

DrJones wrote:I am willing to stick my neck out and predict that the "evil schemers" will do "something big" before the November 2010 elections.[/b]


I'd say that's a pretty conservative bet......
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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby Mahonri » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:56 am

Jason wrote:
DrJones wrote:I am willing to stick my neck out and predict that the "evil schemers" will do "something big" before the November 2010 elections.[/b]


I'd say that's a pretty conservative bet......


How many times did we hear this prior to the 2008 elections?? Or the election before that, or the one before that etc, etc, etc.

I think we are begging for our slavery just fine to the point that there is not need to make people more "uppity" by taking it through more obvious measures.

I mean the tea party movement is against Obamacare because it cuts medicare??? Give me a break. Most people (even a good chunk here) love their chains of bondage.
And I mean that in the nicest possible way. Insert tact here.
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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby DrJones » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:14 am

Mahonri wrote:
Jason wrote:
DrJones wrote:I am willing to stick my neck out and predict that the "evil schemers" will do "something big" before the November 2010 elections.[/b]


I'd say that's a pretty conservative bet......


How many times did we hear this prior to the 2008 elections?? Or the election before that, or the one before that etc, etc, etc.
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I guess we'll see in the next few months, won't we? Meanwhile my family is taking preparing seriously (most of us) and having a great adventure in so doing.

But sit back, my friend, if you just wish to watch the Apocalypse (next phase) happen on TV in the comfort of your own home. After all, John's prophetic vision was written a LONG time ago and may yet be a LONG time off...
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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby Mahonri » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:31 am

DrJones wrote:



I guess we'll see in the next few months, won't we? Meanwhile my family is taking preparing seriously (most of us) and having a great adventure in so doing.

But sit back, my friend, if you just wish to watch the Apocalypse (next phase) happen on TV in the comfort of your own home. After all, John's prophetic vision was written a LONG time ago and may yet be a LONG time off...
sigh...


Don't get me wrong. I am all for prep, being active, watching the signs, etc, etc. I am just saying that this whole "something big is gunna happen before the election" is said before EVERY election. When that happens one is bound to be right one of these times.
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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby Jason » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:18 pm

Mahonri wrote:
DrJones wrote:



I guess we'll see in the next few months, won't we? Meanwhile my family is taking preparing seriously (most of us) and having a great adventure in so doing.

But sit back, my friend, if you just wish to watch the Apocalypse (next phase) happen on TV in the comfort of your own home. After all, John's prophetic vision was written a LONG time ago and may yet be a LONG time off...
sigh...


Don't get me wrong. I am all for prep, being active, watching the signs, etc, etc. I am just saying that this whole "something big is gunna happen before the election" is said before EVERY election. When that happens one is bound to be right one of these times.


LOL.....and the more time that goes by.....the closer one gets to being right! Thus a pretty conservative bet at this point....especially with everything that's boiling in the pot right now!
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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby NoGreaterLove » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:33 pm

I have been trying to find more current info on those ships and the activity around Iran, something within the last three days. Anyone found anything that is updated and current?

I too am concerned about this event. But let me add to that. I do not think this event will be the big one that leads to global war. I just think it fulfills prophecy as contained in Daniel.

I believe we will go in and attack Iran and win decisively, take their oil and then boast as a nation over the spoils of war. Just like the Nephites did prior to the catastrophic attack of the lamanites.

(JST Daniel 11:25-28.)

25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand; for they shall forecast devices against him.

26 Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow; and many shall fall down slain.

27 And both these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper; for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.

28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.
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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby NoGreaterLove » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:47 pm

And then I think this will happen which leads to the U.S. final destruction.

(JST Daniel 11:29.)

29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.

30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him; therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant; so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall be corrupt by flatteries; but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many; yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help; but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end; because it is yet for a time appointed.

36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished; for that that is determined shall be done.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall magnify himself above all.

38 But in his estate shall he honor the God of forces; and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honor with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

39 Thus shall he do in the most strongholds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him; and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown; but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries; and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt; and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him; therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby Original_Intent » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:51 pm

I find it amazing that we are living in times where millenia old prophecy is being fulfilled before our eyes and how many people are still "waiting" for them to be fulfilled. I had a long tlak with my sister this weekend, definitely the case with her. I pointed out how prophesy is being fulfilled, she largely doesn't see it and disagrees, thinking I am reading prophecy into events. :(
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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby Jason » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:21 pm

Iran and North Korea would suck everything that's left out of the military....

Either one would be about 10X bigger than Iraq and 100X bigger than Afghanistan in terms of fighting capability.
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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby DrJones » Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:23 am

Good points, OI and Jason.

Last night as I spoke at the Salt Lake Community College, I was asked to discuss predictions for the future, based on my studies of scripture as well as current (and 9/11) events. I had several slides prepared, and was glad to respond to the question.

This from my summary slides -- "Humble Predictions" --

A huge crisis, whether “real or generated,” will occur by December 2012…
Dollar failure? Iran attack? EMP? EQ? Volcanoes? Pandemic? Nuclear?

Fiat money “riches” will slip away - worldwide
Civil fighting; food shortages; marauding gangs
Riots in major cities followed by martial law (US)
Attempt at New World Order… but
Russia/China/allies will attack US; Rev. 17
Major cities burned; pandemic; great earthquakes

Prepared families and individuals will go to places of refuge, help each other
Many trust God “whither to flee” or whether to fight. Surviving requires food, warmth, attitude
Central gov’t fails; people divide into families/friends (groups) (3rd Nephi 4-8)

Amongst upheavals, a New City of peace will be built (Rev 19) and people will follow this model
Many religions predict the coming of the true Messiah/ Jesus/ Itzamna

A long period of Renaissance and
Peace will follow


(Itzamna is the fair-skinned God of the ancient Maya, and Mayan prophecy predicts he will return to the earth shortly after the great destruction in 2012. He is often depicted in Mayan art as having holes or marks in his hands or wrists. He is better known by his Aztec name in later centuries, Quetzalcoatl.)
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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby WYp8riot » Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:21 pm

A huge crisis, whether “real or generated,” will occur by December 2012…
Dollar failure? Iran attack? EMP? EQ? Volcanoes? Pandemic? Nuclear?

Fiat money “riches” will slip away - worldwide
Civil fighting; food shortages; marauding gangs
Riots in major cities followed by martial law (US)
Attempt at New World Order… but
Russia/China/allies will attack US; Rev. 17
Major cities burned; pandemic; great earthquakes

Prepared families and individuals will go to places of refuge, help each other
Many trust God “whither to flee” or whether to fight. Surviving requires food, warmth, attitude
Central gov’t fails; people divide into families/friends (groups) (3rd Nephi 4-8)

Amongst upheavals, a New City of peace will be built (Rev 19) and people will follow this model
Many religions predict the coming of the true Messiah/ Jesus/ Itzamna

A long period of Renaissance and
Peace will follow


I like the last sentence :-)

Do you see things progressing badly between now and Dec 2012?
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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby DrJones » Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:12 am

WYp8riot wrote:
A huge crisis, whether “real or generated,” will occur by December 2012…
Dollar failure? Iran attack? EMP? EQ? Volcanoes? Pandemic? Nuclear?

Fiat money “riches” will slip away - worldwide
Civil fighting; food shortages; marauding gangs
Riots in major cities followed by martial law (US)
Attempt at New World Order… but
Russia/China/allies will attack US; Rev. 17
Major cities burned; pandemic; great earthquakes

Prepared families and individuals will go to places of refuge, help each other
Many trust God “whither to flee” or whether to fight. Surviving requires food, warmth, attitude
Central gov’t fails; people divide into families/friends (groups) (3rd Nephi 4-8)

Amongst upheavals, a New City of peace will be built (Rev 19) and people will follow this model
Many religions predict the coming of the true Messiah/ Jesus/ Itzamna

A long period of Renaissance and
Peace will follow


I like the last sentence :-)

Do you see things progressing badly between now and Dec 2012?


Very badly in the next couple of years, yes -- we're living in the Last Days. In fact, I fully expect the next 9/11-style generated event to be within the next year and suggest that all do what preparations you can before the snow flies. Please note Captain Moroni's method of having places or refuge to flee to, per inspiration from the Lord. Finally, all our trust must be in the Lord (certainly not in the guv-mint).
Next fall-winter will be a doozie for world-wide events.
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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby WYp8riot » Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:11 pm

DrJones wrote:
WYp8riot wrote:
A huge crisis, whether “real or generated,” will occur by December 2012…
Dollar failure? Iran attack? EMP? EQ? Volcanoes? Pandemic? Nuclear?

Fiat money “riches” will slip away - worldwide
Civil fighting; food shortages; marauding gangs
Riots in major cities followed by martial law (US)
Attempt at New World Order… but
Russia/China/allies will attack US; Rev. 17
Major cities burned; pandemic; great earthquakes

Prepared families and individuals will go to places of refuge, help each other
Many trust God “whither to flee” or whether to fight. Surviving requires food, warmth, attitude
Central gov’t fails; people divide into families/friends (groups) (3rd Nephi 4-8)

Amongst upheavals, a New City of peace will be built (Rev 19) and people will follow this model
Many religions predict the coming of the true Messiah/ Jesus/ Itzamna

A long period of Renaissance and
Peace will follow


I like the last sentence :-)

Do you see things progressing badly between now and Dec 2012?


Very badly in the next couple of years, yes -- we're living in the Last Days. In fact, I fully expect the next 9/11-style generated event to be within the next year and suggest that all do what preparations you can before the snow flies. Please note Captain Moroni's method of having places or refuge to flee to, per inspiration from the Lord. Finally, all our trust must be in the Lord (certainly not in the guv-mint).
Next fall-winter will be a doozie for world-wide events.



I am with you and feel the same way!
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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby serenitylala » Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:26 pm

WYp8riot wrote:
DrJones wrote:
Very badly in the next couple of years, yes -- we're living in the Last Days. In fact, I fully expect the next 9/11-style generated event to be within the next year and suggest that all do what preparations you can before the snow flies. Please note Captain Moroni's method of having places or refuge to flee to, per inspiration from the Lord. Finally, all our trust must be in the Lord (certainly not in the guv-mint).
Next fall-winter will be a doozie for world-wide events.



I am with you and feel the same way!


I agree as well.
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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby durangout » Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:32 pm

Very badly in the next couple of years, yes -- we're living in the Last Days. In fact, I fully expect the next 9/11-style generated event to be within the next year and suggest that all do what preparations you can before the snow flies. Please note Captain Moroni's method of having places or refuge to flee to, per inspiration from the Lord. Finally, all our trust must be in the Lord (certainly not in the guv-mint).
Next fall-winter will be a doozie for world-wide events.


Do you mean 2010 or 2011?
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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby Original_Intent » Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:35 pm

I have been thinking a lot the last few days about literally building the Kingdom of God - what we can do.

One change that I have made is simply an attitude shift, that I am still working on. In essence, I am trying to think of my real job as building Zion and the job that I go to is just my way of financing my real job.

I keep coming back to what exactly can I do to contribute to the TEMPORAL KINGDOM of God. I also keep getting the impression that the financial crisis, as tough as it is on some of us, is actually a blessing that will turn those who are willing to the Lord. I also get the impression that this is the beginning of the end for Babylon, and so we should be grateful, even though it is going to cause some hardships and struggles for us.

I also think that we need to be ready to replace Babylon with correct government and business practices. But again, I keep getting lost at the "rubber hits the road" step. What exactly to DO???

My dad always used to tell me if I was ever to go into business for myself, start by doing it on my own time but keep my current job. That way you can see if the idea is viable, you can maintain your income while your business gets going, etc. I kind of get the impression with this - whatever I do, it is not something to quit my job and start doing as my sole means of income, it needs to be something that starts small and grows.

I also keep coming back to the counsel that we become more independent, home industry, etc. I also feel that better success could be had with people working cooperatively together rather than "going it alone". Maybe a few of us could go in together on a few acres and decide on a crop? I think it would be even better if we canned our own goods (on a small scale, of course!) and divided them up among the participants. Or we could do any number of things cooperatively such as raise a beef, pigs, or other. (Although dividing up a cow could be problematic - who gets which cuts etc.) But I really like the idea of doing some kind of enterprise that we could each contribute a few hours a day and become more self reliant - or inter reliant as the case may be. Does anyone else like the idea, have any ideas of what we could do and what skills we would need?

I think when everything goes to heck in a handbasket, one of the reasons people will want to come to the mountains is because we will have learned how to organize and thrive along these lines. You won;t have a "job" so much as you will be equal owners and participants in succeeding. (A true shareholder).

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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby pritchet1 » Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:00 pm

Think of all the folks who were enticed to move to Costa Rica (bought land) to "escape" the USSA (I used to meet a lot of those folks, who considered that to be their refuge as "Plan B"). Perhaps the military located off its coast is there to "collect"? :idea:
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Postby dennis » Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:20 pm

Suggestion for a beginning group production project: [1]inexpesive [2] not much labor involved [3] can be located in different areas [4]very profitable [5] Easy to divide up profit or product [6]there is a need for it. The one project that meets the criteria I have considered getting involved in is honey production. What made me consider it was I read that a major honey producer makes 15 to 20 million with only 19 employees. When I was in Argentina , there were many men that didnt own property making a good living with bees. There are many more products than just honey. One is rasing Queens. There is a huge world wide demand for Queens. Not much demand for Drones. [That says alot right there] in Ether there is also a fantastic name in the Language of Adam for the enterprise [deseret] there is a lot of symetry in Ether for overcoming the combinations
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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby DrJones » Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:42 pm

durangout wrote:Very badly in the next couple of years, yes -- we're living in the Last Days. In fact, I fully expect the next 9/11-style generated event to be within the next year and suggest that all do what preparations you can before the snow flies. Please note Captain Moroni's method of having places or refuge to flee to, per inspiration from the Lord. Finally, all our trust must be in the Lord (certainly not in the guv-mint).
Next fall-winter will be a doozie for world-wide events.


Do you mean 2010 or 2011?


I am referring to the fall/winter coming right up... our family is trying to prepare on that schedule...
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Postby Jason » Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:39 am

Original_Intent wrote:I also keep coming back to the counsel that we become more independent, home industry, etc. I also feel that better success could be had with people working cooperatively together rather than "going it alone". Maybe a few of us could go in together on a few acres and decide on a crop? I think it would be even better if we canned our own goods (on a small scale, of course!) and divided them up among the participants. Or we could do any number of things cooperatively such as raise a beef, pigs, or other. (Although dividing up a cow could be problematic - who gets which cuts etc.) But I really like the idea of doing some kind of enterprise that we could each contribute a few hours a day and become more self reliant - or inter reliant as the case may be. Does anyone else like the idea, have any ideas of what we could do and what skills we would need?

I think when everything goes to heck in a handbasket, one of the reasons people will want to come to the mountains is because we will have learned how to organize and thrive along these lines. You won;t have a "job" so much as you will be equal owners and participants in succeeding. (A true shareholder).

Thoughts??


Amen....and the direction of my focus currently. Specifically food production - i.e. gardening.
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Postby bobhenstra » Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:05 am

My emphasis is on making swords! .06, .45. 12 ga! Purchasing more long term storage seeds. Have plenty of food, water, bed, recliner, tv, emergency radio, roof over my head---- need more swords.

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Postby Jason » Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:04 am

bobhenstra wrote:My emphasis is on making swords! .06, .45. 12 ga! Purchasing more long term storage seeds. Have plenty of food, water, bed, recliner, tv, emergency radio, roof over my head---- need more swords.

Bob


LOL....can be a bit of an addiction can't it....

energy is another big one on my list....but I haven't dived in and tackled it yet...
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Postby InfoWarrior82 » Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:48 pm

DrJones wrote:In John's vision of the last days, the main antagonists are:

1. The Whore Babylon with mystery written on her forehead, seeking dominion over all the earth's wealth (identified with the international banking/corporation elites and gov't cronies - mostly NWO seekers)

2. The Scarlet Beast of seven heads, whose main head was delivered a (supposedly) fatal blow and "is not, yet is" (identified with Russia and the other "heads" with Russia's cohorts such as China and Iran)

In Book of Mormon terms, these would be
1. Gadiantons in "sole management of the government", Helaman 6:23, internal or "western" Gadiantons
2. Gadiantons in "the wilderness" far away, as in Helaman 11 (end) through 3 Nephi 9, "eastern" Gadiantons





Dr Jones, the more I think about this scenario, the more I believe it to be accurate. I've never called into Alex Jones' program, but if I were to, I would ask him what he thought about Russia & China's role in this "New World Order." Today on his show, his guest was Joel Skousen and this scenario you mentioned is exactly what he was explaining -that there are basically two world powers seeking to control-- and Alex Jones agreed completely! I wish I had the transcript of today's show! It was full of so much great information.
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Re: We’re surely in it now: Hel/3 Nephi, Revelation, D&C 29,

Postby DrJones » Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:15 pm

InfoWarrior82 wrote:
DrJones wrote:In John's vision of the last days, the main antagonists are:

1. The Whore Babylon with mystery written on her forehead, seeking dominion over all the earth's wealth (identified with the international banking/corporation elites and gov't cronies - mostly NWO seekers)

2. The Scarlet Beast of seven heads, whose main head was delivered a (supposedly) fatal blow and "is not, yet is" (identified with Russia and the other "heads" with Russia's cohorts such as China and Iran)

In Book of Mormon terms, these would be
1. Gadiantons in "sole management of the government", Helaman 6:23, internal or "western" Gadiantons
2. Gadiantons in "the wilderness" far away, as in Helaman 11 (end) through 3 Nephi 9, "eastern" Gadiantons





Dr Jones, the more I think about this scenario, the more I believe it to be accurate. I've never called into Alex Jones' program, but if I were to, I would ask him what he thought about Russia & China's role in this "New World Order." Today on his show, his guest was Joel Skousen and this scenario you mentioned is exactly what he was explaining -that there are basically two world powers seeking to control-- and Alex Jones agreed completely! I wish I had the transcript of today's show! It was full of so much great information.


Thank you -- the scriptural setting/paradigm has been very helpful to me and I'm grateful for the Prophets/the Lord for giving us this "heads up" and set of insightful warnings.

Is there a LINK to the audio of the discussion -- I would like to hear it, for todays discussion with Skousen.
Thanks again.
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Postby InfoWarrior82 » Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:04 pm

Found Alex Jones' entire interview with Joel Skousen! Enjoy!


Part 1


Part 2


Part 3
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