Heretic Harry, the U.S. Senate and Sabbath-Breaking

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Col. Flagg
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natasha wrote:No...I did not mean to infer that. It is NOT appropriate for us to judge any member publicly and discuss whether or not they should be excommunicated. As for you Col., your are wrong....simply put. I have told you that before in private conversation, but I guess since you decided to "draw me out", it has nothing to do with Mitt Romney. It has to do with what is our stewardship and then, if we did have that stewardship, I'm sure it would NOT be discussed publicly.
I was just razzin' ya a little... come on now. :? But as for me being wrong... about what? Mitt's compromising his values and integrity as a Latter Day Saint for political popularity and points? Sorry... that's true. I can cite several examples if you'd like.

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Jason
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Well as rotten as Harry is he still didn't make the top 10 list -
http://www.judicialwatch.org/news/2009/ ... cians-2009

Still left us high and dry!
Dec. 29, 2009 (EIRNS)—EIR investigators have reviewed the history of the evolution of the current Nazi Senate Health Care bill, and determined that none other than Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is responsible for inserting the unconstitutional, fascist clause which seeks to forbid any future Congress from changing the provisions relating to Obama's T-4 Board, known in the bill as the Independent Medicare Advisory Board (IMAB). The clause states that "it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, or amendment," to change the recommendations of IMAB, or to repeal it.

The clause is identical to clauses the British inserted into the Lisbon Treaty for Europe, in an effort to destroy the sovereignty of all the European nations in perpetuity.

The dictatorial IMAB, for its part, is explicitly given the charge to reduce Medicare spending—a prescription which it intends to carry out by rulings which will deny funding for medical care, ranging from diagnostic testing, to long-term nursing care, to hospital readmissions. The implementation of such a policy is nothing less than Hitler-style genocide.
http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/2009/0912 ... posed.html

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LukeAir2008
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natasha wrote:
LukeAir2008 wrote:
lundbaek wrote:I am not suggesting that Harry Reid has been excommuniated. I am suggesting that if he were to be excommunicated, and if it became known thruout the Church, as it surely would soon enough, it would send an important message and a wake-up call to a lot of LDSs who would do well to get that message.
Maybe if enough concerned Latter Day Saints write to the First Presidency they will at least be aware that some of us are not addicted to wordly popularity and acceptance. I doubt whether they can excommunicate him or discipline him in any manner because merely showing support or acceptance or desire for something is not enough, apparently, to justify church discipline. If it was, Mitt Romney would already have been excommunicated. :shock:
Neither of you have stewardship over this matter. Therefore, I would say it is NOT appropriate for the internet.
Thank you for stating the obvious! And in case you hadn't noticed, this is not the Church, it's the LDS Freedom Forum - and I was exercising my right to freedom of speech and expression of opinion. Political leaders are publically accountable and should be publically criticized (or praised)

Celebrity worship can seriously damage your (spiritual) health! :shock:

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natasha wrote:
LukeAir2008 wrote:
lundbaek wrote:I am not suggesting that Harry Reid has been excommuniated. I am suggesting that if he were to be excommunicated, and if it became known thruout the Church, as it surely would soon enough, it would send an important message and a wake-up call to a lot of LDSs who would do well to get that message.
Maybe if enough concerned Latter Day Saints write to the First Presidency they will at least be aware that some of us are not addicted to wordly popularity and acceptance. I doubt whether they can excommunicate him or discipline him in any manner because merely showing support or acceptance or desire for something is not enough, apparently, to justify church discipline. If it was, Mitt Romney would already have been excommunicated. :shock:
Neither of you have stewardship over this matter. Therefore, I would say it is NOT appropriate for the internet.
Tash you are correct. We can't comment on a persons membership and shouldn't.

However in the broader context of this discussion, and this web site, if you want to be technical, for those interested, the order of things is that Apart from his Bishop, High Priests Group Leader, Home Teachers and Stake President, you'd need to track down a 14 or 15yr old boy in his local ward.

HE has Stewardship.

Section 20, Doctrine & Covenants, vv 53-54
The teacher's duty is to watch over the church always, and be with and strengthen them;
And see that there is no iniquity in the church, neither hardness with each other, neither lying, backbiting, nor evil speaking;



We also have 3Nephi 18
28 And now behold, this is the commandment which I give unto you, that ye shall not suffer any one knowingly to apartake of my flesh and blood bunworthily, when ye shall minister it;
29 For whoso eateth and drinketh my flesh and ablood bunworthily eateth and drinketh damnation to his soul; therefore if ye know that a man is unworthy to eat and drink of my flesh and blood ye shall forbid him.


Our group now extends to the Deacons who pass, and the Priests who Bless the sacrament.

Now, anyone know which ward he resides in, and who wants to relocate? ;-)

I hope he, like I, repents of whatever he is doing wrong. Maybe he will have his Paul on the road to Damascus moment??

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AussieOi
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Oh, can I add, I've recently been to Vegas
It is vile beyond reproach or comprehension
I know he is a senator for Nevada, is his area including Vegas?
Personally, if i were their senator, I could not lead the people without standing to shut down the vice and the casinos.
they prey on human misery.
no LDS should consider it appropriate to bring up children in that city
i'd be a 1-term senator no doubt. but if you aren't fighting it, you are enriching it. plain and simple

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Thank you, Aussie....but even that Deacon's Quorum President would not air any of it in the open.

LukeAir: No one questioned your right to freedom of speech. Criticize all you want regarding someone's political views...I would support your right to do so even if I disagreed with you. You know, I'm sure, the principle of stewardhip regarding someone's membership in the Church. So, I say again....NOT OUR STEWARDSHIP. And, I have no doubt that those person's whose stewardship it is would NOT talk about it on ANY forum on the internet or elsewhere.

Just a side note: I am not at home so I don't have access to my files to know who to credit with the following quote. I just remember that it was a great jurist of some sort. Regarding our rights, but at this point he/she was talking about the right to dissent: "The right to dissent is a precious right; but that does not make dissenting always right." So, perhaps we could apply free speech as the right and insert it in the quote. With all rights and freedoms comes some semblance of responsibility, don't you think???

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