Romney Fans Vindicated!

[lundbaek]

On 14 May 2012, Ron Paul's campaign announced that due to lack of funds he would no longer actively campaign for votes in the 11 remaining primary states, including Texas and California, that had not yet voted, but that he would, however, continue to seek to win delegates for the national party convention in the states that had already voted. To say that he "took all of his presidential donations and quit" implies that he stiffed his donors and is a misrepresentation of events.

He continued to seek to win delegates for the national party convention in the states that had already voted. He refused to speak at the Republican National Convention, saying it was "a matter of principle" because the convention planners had demanded that his remarks be vetted by the Romney campaign and that he make an unqualified endorsement of Romney. Paul stated that "It wouldn’t be my speech.... That would undo everything I’ve done in the last 30 years. I don’t fully endorse him for president." He ultimately refused to endorse the ticket selected by the Republican Party, saying that there was no essential difference between Mitt Romney and his Democratic opponent, President Obama, on the most critical policies: I have him as saying "I've been in this business a long time and believe me there is essentially no difference from one administration to another no matter what the platforms.... The foreign policy stays the same, the monetary policy stays the same, there’s no proposal for any real cuts and both parties support it."

[heartsongs]

Voting for the lesser of 2 evils is still evil. We don't vote to be on a wining side we vote to ensure our salvation in the celestial kingdom. It's no different then putting your arm to the square. If the candidate you voted for taxes the people. Puts them in bondage that is on your head.
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D&C 98:9-10 Admonishes us to seek diligently for honest, wise, good men to uphold in political office, and "whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil."
Hyrum Smith the Patriarch of the Church: "We engage in the election the same as in any other principle, you're to vote for good men and if you do not do this it is a sin. To vote for wicked men, it would be sin! Choose the good and refuse the evil. Men of false principles have preyed upon us like wolves upon helpless lambs. Damn the rod of tyrrany and curse it! Let every man use his liberties according to the Constitution. Don't fear man or devil, electioneer with all people, male and female, and exhort them to do the thing which is right. We want a President of the United States, not a party President, but a President of the whole people, for a party President disenfranchises the other party. Have a President who will maintain every man in his rights." (HC 6:323)
Joseph Smith Jr.: "We shall have the satisfaction of knowing we have acted conscienciously and have used our best judgement, and if we have to throw away our votes, we had better do so upon a worthy rather than an unworthy individual who might make use of the weapon we put in his hand to destroy us!" (Comprehensive History of the Church 2:208-209)

Mitt was defently the lesser evil. He however did create the universal Health care plan that Obama copyed.

Ron Paul was the most constitutional candidate that was running.
The media tryed to make him out as crazy wonder why?.

That was an awesome post and 100% right on, and the scriptures and quotes to back every word of it up! Excellent!!!!!!!
:ymapplause: :ymapplause: :ymapplause: :ymapplause:

[Original_Intent]

Don't confuse Bob with facts, lundbaek!

You see, Mitt Romney is King Hezekiah. Doesn't matter that he is a master manipulator of the Babylonian monetary system we have. Doesn't matter that he is has flip flopped on every major issue, basically finding principles as they suit him depending on what office he is running for. Doesn't matter that he is essentially a Mormon "Gordon Gecko", favored TARP, leans favorable towards supporting LGBT agendas. Doesn't matter that he favors "enhanced interrogation techniques" formerly known as torture, and it doesn't matter that he favors "pre-emptive strikes" against potential enemies (formerly known as invading another country).No, he has an "R" next to his name!

Oh yeah and he is a priesthood holder! That trumps ANYTHING Mitt actually stands for or has done!

[lundbaek]

What I wrote above comes from my recollections and notes which I gleaned from an assortment of sources. I am happy that he refused to endorse Mitt Romney, for basically the same reasons that I opposed Romney in both the 2008 and the 2012 primary elections and voted for the Constitution Party candidates in the November elections. I hope Mitt Romney does run for POTUS again in 2016, so I can once again point out to as many Mormon voters as possible the extent to which he deviates from principles of government that latter-day prophets and apostles have counseled us to espouse and support.

And, BTW, as for my voting for Ron Paul and then the Constitution Party candidates, if you think that contributed to support of Obama, all well and good. People who supported Romney over Paul deserve what they got in Obama.

[bobhenstra]

Paul had no chance of winning, he was a loser, and Paul supporters knew that fact beyond a doubt! People who voted Paul over Romney got just exactly what they secretly wanted but were to ashamed to admit it here, Obama!

Bob

[Original_Intent]

Paul had no chance of winning, he was a loser, and Paul supporters knew that fact beyond a doubt! People who voted Paul over Romney got just exactly what they secretly wanted but were to ashamed to admit it here, Obama!

Bob

Bearing false witness again Bob...I'm pretty sure that's against the big 10.

[Bananikka]

Bob are you for real???????????

[lundbaek]

A big and hidden danger that I perceived in a Romney presidency was that he would continue to lead people, including all those Mormons who should know better, still further away from support of a restoration of constitutional principles in government. If I had seen any indication that he would stand fast by the Constitution and try to steer our government back to the principles of the US Constitution I might have considered voting for him. But I saw and still see nothing of the sort.

Even though Romney is not a dedicated globalist, he gives every indication that he would follow his neocon advisors into giving us a much more aggressive foreign policy, which will take him deeper into the globalist war agenda, even if he isn’t knowingly aware of where this is leading. Worse, he will succeed in talking a lot more conservatives into thinking these wars are just and good, which they are not.

"Let every loyal member of the Church look down with scorn upon any man or woman who would undermine that Constitution." (President David O. McKay, May 29, 1954, Church News, 3)

"May we be wise - prayerfully wise - in the electing of those who would lead us. May we select only those who understand and will adhere to constitutional principles. To do so, we need to understand those principles ourselves....We should understand the Constitution as the Founders meant that it should be understood." (Elder Ezra Taft , Benson, April 1976, General Conference)

"Men who are wise, good, and honest, who will uphold the Constitution of the United States in the tradition of the Founding Fathers, must be sought for diligently. This is our hope to restore government to its rightful role." (Elder Ezra Taft Benson, October 1979, General Conference)

It's pretty sad that we should have to pin our hopes on a candidate who either does not understand the US Constitution, does not understand his responsibility and doctrinal imperative to understand, uphold and abide by it, and/or lacks the integrity to be guided by it. I think every American LDS has an obligation to do all he/she can to try to win America back. I don't think Mitt Romney realizes that the Lord gave us His plan for the government of the United States of America. One could argue that he does realize this and was/is trying to steer us back to a point at which a transition to government according to constitutional principles would be easier than it would be now. That certainly does not even now seem to be the direction he is going in, however. Mitt Romney still has a lot of LDS voters believing that whatever he promotes or supports, including NDAA, the Patriot Act, bypassing Congress in going to war, corporate welfare, FedGov involvement in public education are all OK . After all, he is a priesthood holder, was a bishop, a stake president, a governor of Massachusetts, a successful business man, etc. So how could he possibly be wrong in his political persuasions ? Well, the priesthood seems to have done nothing for Senators Hatch, Bennett, and Flake, either.

[bobhenstra]

Romney says he isn't going to run, but you guys are like the frightened rabbits mentioned before. It wouldn't matter who the dem candidate is, you'd still be attacking Romney, showing your true colors! :ymdevil: It was YOU who helped give us 4 more years of Obama! :ymsick:

Bob

[Original_Intent]

Romney says he isn't going to run, but you guys are like the frightened rabbits mentioned before. It wouldn't matter who the dem candidate is, you'd still be attacking Romney, showing your true colors! :ymdevil: It was YOU who helped give us 4 more years of Obama! :ymsick:

Bob

No Utah electoral votes went to Obama.

Therefore, not even by your tortured logic did anyone who supported a third party "help" get Obama elected. Again, you stick to the same tired falsehoods (I won't say lies as I think you believe your own press releases, however misguided).

I expect Mitt will break his word on this - I'm not frightened of the prospect, more like resigned.

If not Mitt I am sure you will be gung-ho to support Jeb Bush or some similar globalist in GOP clothing. Maybe Mike Hucksterbee or even Santorum will put a thrill up your leg.

[larsenb]

Mitt publicly fell in line with almost every globalist policy item. The one that irked me the most, was his war mongering, especially against Iran. He seems totally oblivious to what I regard as our "awful situation" as outlined by Moroni in Ether 8:22-26, and of course by such as Pres. Benson in his Fall 1988 Conference talk.

And I'll never forget when he was confronted by We Are Change regarding 9/11, especially Bldg 7, he ducked his head, covered his face with the side of his hand, and quickly scurried away. That's the way it actually looked: ducking and running, i.e., scurrying.

His ignorance of the real 9/11 truth alone, would be enough for me to be very wary of him. And his recent pronouncements show no indication of change. He even fell into the current Russian-is-bogeyman stance. They are, however, only if they are in on a higher dialectic game, in my view. And even then, Russia would be acting as a globalist instrument in this game, or as a foil for this game, in some capacity.

The only potential I saw for Romney, were he to have become President, is that he might . . . I say, might, just have waked up to our awful situation because of the control he would experience as President and what he would be required to do by his controllers. Maybe, just maybe, because he has hopefully been enlightened by the Holy Spirit in times past in his various Church offices and his private life, he would be open to the same influence regarding our awful situation and what he would be confronting as President.

[bobhenstra]

The only potential I saw for Romney, were he to have become President, is that he might . . . I say, might, just have waked up to our awful situation because of the control he would experience as President and what he would be required to do by his controllers. Maybe, just maybe, because he has hopefully been enlightened by the Holy Spirit in times past in his various Church offices and his private life, he would be open to the same influence regarding our awful situation and what he would be confronting as President.

There ya go Brad, I knew I liked you!!

Bob

[larsenb]

The only potential I saw for Romney, were he to have become President, is that he might . . . I say, might, just have waked up to our awful situation because of the control he would experience as President and what he would be required to do by his controllers. Maybe, just maybe, because he has hopefully been enlightened by the Holy Spirit in times past in his various Church offices and his private life, he would be open to the same influence regarding our awful situation and what he would be confronting as President.

There ya go Brad, I knew I liked you!!

Bob

Well, Bob, I thought I really liked you. But your stance on Romney was a bit of a hiccup in my admiration. But as long as you understand my reservations about the man at the front of my post, I'll swallow and suppress the hiccup.

Ah, what the heck, I still like you. Everybody, and certainly myself, have blind spots.

[lundbaek]

A week ago Mitt Romney was here at Centennial Hall In Mesa, AZ, stumping for Doug Doucey for governor. I gave the following letter to an acquaintance running for our state legislature who told me he believes he can get it to Mitt Romney.

"As members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, you and I, and for that matter, all adult Church members, are under a doctrinal imperative to defend, uphold, and abide by the principles of the Constitution of the United States. Yet many Latter-day Saints have supported and continue to support bills, legislation and programs instituted by our government that are diametrically contrary to our Constitution, especially as the Lord and the American Founding Fathers intended that it should be understood. There has been an alarming increase in the abandoning of the ideals that constitute the foundation of that Constitution. By way of examples, the Patriot Act, the National Defense Authorization Act , mandatory healthcare programs, recent preemptive attacks on Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya and the current clamour for war against Iran and Syria without a declaration of war by Congress are among the most egregious of recent examples of disdain for our Constitution.

"In April 1966, Elder Marion G. Romney, speaking in the General Priesthood meeting, included the prayer “That we will develop the understanding, the desire, and the courage born of the Spirit, to eschew socialism and to support and to sustain, in the manner revealed and as interpreted by the Lord, those just and holy principles embodied in the Constitution of the United States for the protection of all flesh, in the exercise of their God-given agency.”

"The Mormon people have, I believe, the most serious responsibility of any people to prepare themselves to ultimately restore the principles of the U.S. Constitution as approved by the Lord to our government. And because of your experience in government and your knowledge of these principles, you are probably the best person in the Church at this time to rally Latter-day Saints and lead the charge in preparation for that time when people will want to live under the principles of the U.S. Constitution that the American Founding Fathers and the Lord intended us to live under. Please keep these things in mind as you proceed in your future political plans."

I am picking up occasional hints that Mitt Romney is considering running again for the US presidency. I will be interesting to see how he bucks the GOP part of the establishment a third time around.

[davedan]

I enjoyed seeing Mitt Romney in Augusta, GA yesterday stumping with US Senate candidate David Perdue and US Congressional candidate Rick Allen.

[Theoden76]

Paul had no chance of winning, he was a loser, and Paul supporters knew that fact beyond a doubt! People who voted Paul over Romney got just exactly what they secretly wanted but were to ashamed to admit it here, Obama!

Bob

That claim makes not sense to me whatsoever.

How would Ron Paul supporters be happy with Obama ?

[SempiternalHarbinger]

Paul had no chance of winning, he was a loser, and Paul supporters knew that fact beyond a doubt! People who voted Paul over Romney got just exactly what they secretly wanted but were to ashamed to admit it here, Obama!

Bob

That claim makes not sense to me whatsoever.

How would Ron Paul supporters be happy with Obama ?

FWIW, good old bobhenstra passed away a few years back. He was a great man.