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lundbaek wrote:I assume that by "And Romney knows better," Darren meant that Romney knows he has been supporting evil people and some of their evil intentions. Correct me if I'm wrong about that, Darren. But I'm not so sure that Mitt Romney realizes he has been promoting and supporting actions of government that are in violation of principles of government that the Lord gave us when He established the US Constitution by the hands of those wise men whom He raised up unto that very purpose. I have no evidence either way.

I can maybe excuse the many American LDS voters and others who think that Mitt Romney has been always doing right during his time in the political arena. Many may not realize that he has been promoting and supporting government actions that violate many principles of government given us by the Lord in the US Constitution and reiterated many times since by latter-day prophets and apostles. It figures, if they have never heard or read any statements of latter-day prophets and apostles emphasizing the vital importance of defending, upholding and adhering to the Constitution, and warning that we have apostatized in various ways from the Constitution. They probably don't even know that as the Prophet, Ezra Taft Benson told us that "We must learn the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers." Well, that was years ago, say many. 29 years ago, to be precise. I prefer to stick with that commandment until I learn from the First Presidency that that commandment no longer applies.

Apparently they are unaware of a subsequent statement in that same address by President Benson: "We must become well informed." And we were reminded of that by President Uchtdorf in the October 2009 General Conference Priesthood Session. I seriously wonder now m many LDS people did any homework at all by checking out the many things that Mitt Romney did and said while in the political arena. I wonder how many American voters can recognize unconstitutional conduct by their government officers.

No, I do not hate Mitt Romney. I only wish to awaken people, especially Latter-day Saints, to their doctrinal imperative to preserve liberty, and learn, uphold and abide by the principles of the US Constitution as it was meant to be understood, a document that is being shredded by apathy, disregard, and rampant abuse of power.
Then I guess you can't vote for Donald Trump then. It clearly states in D&C 98:6-10


6 Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land;

7 And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil.

8 I, the Lord God, make you free, therefore ye are free indeed; and the law also maketh you free.

9 Nevertheless, when the wicked rule the people mourn.

10 Wherefore, honest men and wise men should be sought for diligently, and good men and wise men ye should observe to uphold; otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil.

Trump is not honest, wise or good. Therefore he must come of evil. How do I know this? Because of his past actions and current actions.

Hyrum Smith said, "...to vote for wicked men, it would be sin"

And the Prophet Joseph Smith said, “… let the people of the whole Union, like the inflexible Romans, whenever they find a promise made by a candidate that is not practiced as an officer, hurl the miserable sycophant from his exaltation. …”

After reading this talk by Ezra Taft Benson I could never ever vote for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.

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I, the Lord God, make you free, therefore ye are free indeed; and the law also maketh you free.

9 Nevertheless, when the wicked rule the people mourn.

10 Wherefore, honest men and wise men should be sought for diligently, and good men and wise men ye should observe to uphold; otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil.
Thanks for posting this. We are free to choose, God gave us agency and he taught us how it should be used. 'When the wicked rule, the people mourn'...so true. Whether Clinton or Trump, the wicked will continue to rule and we will continue to mourn. But, we are a nation under condemnation because we have forgotten our God, so what do we expect? We should pray for our nation to repent so that we can heal and maybe turn things around--I believe we can, but it won't come from the top down--no presidential candidate is going to save us, it must come from the people--the people's hearts must change, they will save the nation, or it's not worth saving.

As for me, I'll consider carefully the Lord's counsel as I exercise my right to vote.

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Perhaps the most important verse in that part of D&C 98 is Verse 5: "And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me." To me, Verse 5 gives us the conditional justification to give allegiance to law, but limited to the condition that it not only meet constitutional muster, but that it supports the principles of fundamental rights of all---an important caveat against accepting modern legal interpretations allowing for socialism in the welfare clause of the Constitution. And Verse 6 justifies us befriending the law but only if it is constitutional. So, even though it doesn't directly endorse the Constitution itself the Lord sets it up as a higher standard in law that any allegiance to law must meet.

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Electoral Votes already have Hillary winning. Public votes do not matter. Only question is, can they convince the US that it's as close as they want us to think it is?

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AI2.0 wrote:
rewcox wrote:
Darren wrote:Thank you to my friend Reid Baer for his videos expressing some of my innermost feelings:

Putting baptism aside, I think that Trump would make a better Mormon than Mitt Romney is.
God Bless,
Darren
That's sick man, real sick.
It shows unreasonable, misplaced contempt for a decent man and attributes virtues to a man who glories in violating and mocking those virtues in the way he's lived. Yea, it's disturbed. :(
It becomes crystal clear why you are so enamored of the political Mitt Romney.

I know next to nothing about Mitt's personal life or how he did in his Church offices and roles. But in the political arena, Mitt seems quite oblivious to what is really going on. For instance, I've seen no understanding of the globalist onslaught coming from him. In fact, he courted their money and influence in the last election. Joel Skousen documents this quite well.

You say the Constitution is hanging be a thread, but I've seen nothing from you indicating why this is so other than collective unrighteousness of our population. Mitt is in the same boat. He doesn't seem to even begin to understand these things.

So it now makes sense why you greatly favor Mitt and greatly disdain Trump. You are essentially in Romney's camp and level of understanding.

Trump, on the other hand, has a very good grasp of what is going on and who the enemy is, and being VERY outspoken against this globalist cabal.

And did you ever listen to Trump's speech given to the Values Voter Summit on 9 Sep?? This might just give you a slight nudge of doubt about your idea of how evil Trump is. I've encouraged you on several occasions to listen to this speech, as well as others. Here it is again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Tg_wqyJmc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; .

You seem to have a death grip on your judgement of Trump being a very evil man. Here is a link to Kate Dalley, out of St. George. An excellent commentator. She will tell you how she tried to confirm Trump's awfulness and criminality, etc., and basically came up dry: https://soundcloud.com/user-201995189/d ... lin-102216" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

She also tells you of the research she did on McMullin and what a mistake it would be for intelligent Utah Mormons to vote for him.

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larsenb wrote:
AI2.0 wrote:
rewcox wrote:
Darren wrote:Thank you to my friend Reid Baer for his videos expressing some of my innermost feelings:

Putting baptism aside, I think that Trump would make a better Mormon than Mitt Romney is.
God Bless,
Darren
That's sick man, real sick.
It shows unreasonable, misplaced contempt for a decent man and attributes virtues to a man who glories in violating and mocking those virtues in the way he's lived. Yea, it's disturbed. :(
It becomes crystal clear why you are so enamored of the political Mitt Romney.

I know next to nothing about Mitt's personal life or how he did in his Church offices and roles. But in the political arena, Mitt seems quite oblivious to what is really going on. For instance, I've seen no understanding of the globalist onslaught coming from him. In fact, he courted their money and influence in the last election. Joel Skousen documents this quite well.

You say the Constitution is hanging be a thread, but I've seen nothing from you indicating why this is so other than collective unrighteousness of our population. Mitt is in the same boat. He doesn't seem to even begin to understand these things.

So it now makes sense why you greatly favor Mitt and greatly disdain Trump. You are essentially in Romney's camp and level of understanding.

Trump, on the other hand, has a very good grasp of what is going on and who the enemy is, and being VERY outspoken against this globalist cabal.

And did you ever listen to Trump's speech given to the Values Voter Summit on 9 Sep?? This might just give you a slight nudge of doubt about your idea of how evil Trump is. I've encouraged you on several occasions to listen to this speech, as well as others. Here it is again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Tg_wqyJmc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; .

You seem to have a death grip on your judgement of Trump being a very evil man. Here is a link to Kate Dalley, out of St. George. An excellent commentator. She will tell you how she tried to confirm Trump's awfulness and criminality, etc., and basically came up dry: https://soundcloud.com/user-201995189/d ... lin-102216" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

She also tells you of the research she did on McMullin and what a mistake it would be for intelligent Utah Mormons to vote for him.
Ai2.0 is in a great camp, and can see the evil that is going around.

When your boy loses, you will see that Americans reject Trump's evil. Thankfully, the alt-rad-right conspiracies are rejected too.

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rewcox wrote:
When your boy loses, you will see that Americans reject Trump's evil. Thankfully, the alt-rad-right conspiracies are rejected too.
I certainly hope so!

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It's obvious to me now that Trump is in it for the long haul. There is no chance he will be forced out or drop out of his own free will; there is no chance he will be replaced by Mitt Romney or anyone else. He's committed to seeing this all the way through. That's one of the reasons I voted for him.

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Matchmaker wrote:It's obvious to me now that Trump is in it for the long haul. There is no chance he will be forced out or drop out of his own free will; there is no chance he will be replaced by Mitt Romney or anyone else. He's committed to seeing this all the way through. That's one of the reasons I voted for him.
He has about 12 more days, then he will be replaced by Hillary. Time to dance and drink tequila.

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rewcox wrote: Thankfully, the alt-rad-right conspiracies are rejected too.
Absolutely! McMullin doesn't stand a chance.

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Matchmaker wrote:It's obvious to me now that Trump is in it for the long haul. There is no chance he will be forced out or drop out of his own free will; there is no chance he will be replaced by Mitt Romney or anyone else. He's committed to seeing this all the way through. That's one of the reasons I voted for him.
I'm curious. What leads you to believe that Trump really is a conservative and really will advance conservative principles after having been so closely associated with liberal politicians for such a long time?

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brianj wrote:
Matchmaker wrote:It's obvious to me now that Trump is in it for the long haul. There is no chance he will be forced out or drop out of his own free will; there is no chance he will be replaced by Mitt Romney or anyone else. He's committed to seeing this all the way through. That's one of the reasons I voted for him.
I'm curious. What leads you to believe that Trump really is a conservative and really will advance conservative principles after having been so closely associated with liberal politicians for such a long time?
There are many reasons why I have chosen to vote for Trump. I will list a couple of them here. I think Trump will appoint conservative Supreme Court Justices, and I think he is against most abortions. I like Governor Pence and think he will be a competent VP. I've also done a lot of research on my own on Bill and Hillary Clinton and have come to the conclusion that the Clinton power team has too many skeletons in their closet to be in the White House again.

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Matchmaker wrote:There are many reasons why I have chosen to vote for Trump. I will list a couple of them here. I think Trump will appoint conservative Supreme Court Justices, and I think he is against most abortions. I like Governor Pence and think he will be a competent VP. I've also done a lot of research on my own on Bill and Hillary Clinton and have come to the conclusion that the Clinton power team has too many skeletons in their closet to be in the White House again.
You think Trump is against abortion and will nominate conservative justices. I don't think those things at all; I merely hope they are true but have very limited confidence.

Looking at the Clintons I conclude that the they are very much a part of modern-day Gaddiantons and therefore should never be in the White House.

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larsenb wrote:
AI2.0 wrote:
rewcox wrote:
Darren wrote:Thank you to my friend Reid Baer for his videos expressing some of my innermost feelings:

Putting baptism aside, I think that Trump would make a better Mormon than Mitt Romney is.
God Bless,
Darren
That's sick man, real sick.
It shows unreasonable, misplaced contempt for a decent man and attributes virtues to a man who glories in violating and mocking those virtues in the way he's lived. Yea, it's disturbed. :(
It becomes crystal clear why you are so enamored of the political Mitt Romney.

I know next to nothing about Mitt's personal life or how he did in his Church offices and roles. But in the political arena, Mitt seems quite oblivious to what is really going on. For instance, I've seen no understanding of the globalist onslaught coming from him. In fact, he courted their money and influence in the last election. Joel Skousen documents this quite well.

You say the Constitution is hanging be a thread, but I've seen nothing from you indicating why this is so other than collective unrighteousness of our population. Mitt is in the same boat. He doesn't seem to even begin to understand these things.

So it now makes sense why you greatly favor Mitt and greatly disdain Trump. You are essentially in Romney's camp and level of understanding.

Trump, on the other hand, has a very good grasp of what is going on and who the enemy is, and being VERY outspoken against this globalist cabal.

And did you ever listen to Trump's speech given to the Values Voter Summit on 9 Sep?? This might just give you a slight nudge of doubt about your idea of how evil Trump is. I've encouraged you on several occasions to listen to this speech, as well as others. Here it is again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Tg_wqyJmc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; .

You seem to have a death grip on your judgement of Trump being a very evil man. Here is a link to Kate Dalley, out of St. George. An excellent commentator. She will tell you how she tried to confirm Trump's awfulness and criminality, etc., and basically came up dry: https://soundcloud.com/user-201995189/d ... lin-102216" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

She also tells you of the research she did on McMullin and what a mistake it would be for intelligent Utah Mormons to vote for him.
I guess you aren't reading my posts carefully, I told you twice that I listened to his speech and I gave my opinion.

Kate Dalley had Julie Rowe on her show several times and from what I heard, she believes Julie. That doesn't give me much confidence in her ability to judge and since you say she came up 'dry' I guess she didn't do a very good job, there's tons to judge what kind of man Donald Trump is. As for McMullin, I'm not a supporter of his, but I don't know... since Kate Dalley isn't reliable on Julie Rowe or Donald Trump, I wouldn't put too much stock in her 'research' on him either.

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GrandMasterB wrote:
rewcox wrote:
When your boy loses, you will see that Americans reject Trump's evil. Thankfully, the alt-rad-right conspiracies are rejected too.
I certainly hope so!
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I love Sister Beck! Go girl!

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Matchmaker wrote:It's too late for the Republicans to force Trump out because voting has already started, but they can replace him through emergency measures already in place, if he voluntarily withdraws.

I think there is a good chance he will drop out amidst all the scandals and endorse Mitt Romney to take his place.

If our Constitution was ever hanging by a thread, it is now. It is time for the man on the white horse to help save our country and our way of life.

What say ye?
Romney is a bone headed globalist and partner of the Gadiantons. His record as the Massachusetts govornor is clear: he is a liberal wolf in sheep's clothing.

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It certainly appears to me that Mitt Romney may be a globalist and in with the latter-day gadiantons, although I'm not ready to completely believe that he has the evil intentions of the likes of Soros, Kissinger, Bush, Bush, the Clintons, and other of that ilk. But he has voiced support for several actions that undermine the US Constitution. These are spelled out elsewhere on this forum.

"Let every loyal member of the Church look down with scorn upon any man or woman who would undermine that Constitution." (President David O. McKay, Church News 29 May 1954)

As for his record as Governor of Massachusetts, my wife and I were on a mission in Denmark when I learned in early 2003 that a Latter-day Saint had been elected Governor of Massachusetts. I grew up mostly in Massachusetts and spent several of my adult years there as well. My first incursion into the political arena was in Massachusetts in 1975. By 2003 I was certain that no one in Massachusetts can get elected to the U.S. Senate or to the Governorship who espouses the principles of the US Constitution. So that raised a red flag for me and led me to discover that in 1994 Romney ran for the U.S. Senate against incumbent Ted Kennedy claiming that he would be more liberal that Kennedy. And his subsequent bids for the U.S. presidency further validated my concerns about him.

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No need to worry anymore about Romney's status. Trump is in it for the distance, and I voted for him.

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Trump is a sinner. So what? I take solace in the fact that very respected LDS individuals have cast their vote for Trump.

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They have years of service and perspective. It's not that I blindly follow, but I consider everyone's opinion. It's called learning from others. The fact Beck and Oaks are voting for Trump and willing to participate in Trump's rallies speaks volumes. So for all those calling Trump wicked, and citing scripture: When he wins, make sure you equally cite the 12th Article of Faith.

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What makes anybody think they know whom any apostle or member of the First Presidency will vote for or ever has voted for ? I cannot imagine any of them would let that be known publicly, or even among family.

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I'm not concerned about Mitt Romney's status, bit I am concerned that because of his status in the business world and in the eyes of probably most American LDS voters, that he sets a bad example for other Mormons, who have been told to support only candidates "who are truly dedicated to the Constitution in the tradition of our fathers." and to "look down with scorn upon any man or woman who would undermine that Constitution."

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lundbaek wrote:I'm not concerned about Mitt Romney's status, bit I am concerned that because of his status in the business world and in the eyes of probably most American LDS voters, that he sets a bad example for other Mormons, who have been told to support only candidates "who are truly dedicated to the Constitution in the tradition of our fathers." and to "look down with scorn upon any man or woman who would undermine that Constitution."
For my benefit, since I'm not a Constitution expert, could you list the parts of the Constitution you check to see if a candidate is supportive or not?

Thanks,

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Over the course of my efforts to determine if a candidate is supportive of the US Constitution as it was meant to be understood by those who established it, I determined to do as President Benson told us to do in the October 1987 General Conference, when he said 'We must learn the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers", and "We must become well informed." He said more than that, but that much is an ongoing formidable task for me. For additional guidance I have studied Elder Benson's 1968 conference address "The Proper Role of Government". I consider what a candidate claims he/she intends to accomplish and then decide if it meets constitutional muster, and also if it supports the principles of fundamental rights of all---an important caveat against accepting modern legal interpretations allowing for socialism in the welfare clause of the Constitution.

The original US Constitution consists of 7 articles and 10 amendments, Plus the 11th and 12th Amendments. They are all important as they address various issues, and I believe that much had "the Lord's stamp of approval" by virtue of what we can read about the Constitution id D&C Sections 98, 101, & 109. I consider some of the subsequent amendments timely improvements, and others, like the 16th, 17th & 21st Amendments I wish never were made. That's as far as I want to go on that issue.

I recommend reading carefully Elder Benson's 1968 conference address "The Proper Role of Government" because the articles of and amendments to the Constitution can, in some situations, give rise to considerable controversy.

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lundbaek wrote:Over the course of my efforts to determine if a candidate is supportive of the US Constitution as it was meant to be understood by those who established it, I determined to do as President Benson told us to do in the October 1987 General Conference, when he said 'We must learn the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers", and "We must become well informed." He said more than that, but that much is an ongoing formidable task for me. For additional guidance I have studied Elder Benson's 1968 conference address "The Proper Role of Government". I consider what a candidate claims he/she intends to accomplish and then decide if it meets constitutional muster, and also if it supports the principles of fundamental rights of all---an important caveat against accepting modern legal interpretations allowing for socialism in the welfare clause of the Constitution.

The original US Constitution consists of 7 articles and 10 amendments, Plus the 11th and 12th Amendments. They are all important as they address various issues, and I believe that much had "the Lord's stamp of approval" by virtue of what we can read about the Constitution id D&C Sections 98, 101, & 109. I consider some of the subsequent amendments timely improvements, and others, like the 16th, 17th & 21st Amendments I wish never were made. That's as far as I want to go on that issue.

I recommend reading carefully Elder Benson's 1968 conference address "The Proper Role of Government" because the articles of and amendments to the Constitution can, in some situations, give rise to considerable controversy.
I'm starting to understand. Since 99% of the US have no idea what President Benson talked about, they would not know that viewpoint.

It also appears that some people prefer the 16th + amendments were not adopted.

With that viewpoint, few if any candidates will muster an approval. Those who support Constitution Party or Libertarian, will have a place to vote but will not be a bump on the road.

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