Trump = Traitor, Part 2

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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby Silver » Thu May 18, 2017 5:48 am

Look at the date below. These things were available to the public before the general election in November. You just had to put forth a little effort.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/19/ ... d-the-cfr/

AUGUST 19, 2016
Trump’s Connections to Wall Street, Soros, Blackwater and the CFR
by STEVEN MACMILLAN

Out of all the individuals in the political sphere today, no one stirs controversy and divides opinion more than Donald Trump. For months now, Trump’s flamboyant personality and demagogic rhetoric has dominated the media landscape, turning the presidential race into the biggest entertainment event of the year. Hailed as the saviour of America by some, and as a train wreck waiting to happen by others; Trump still remains somewhat of an enigma.

There is no doubt that his straight-talking style has resonated with many Americans who are tired of career politicians more concerned with political correctness than confronting real issues. Many Americans are also encouraged by some of Trump’s stances on certain issues – including his comments on improving relations with Russia, and his seeming opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) – yet his constant flip-flopping on issues makes it impossible to decipher what his actual policies will be if elected.

Trump’s chances are emboldened by the fact that his major competitor in the race is so hated by every thinking person in the world, that many Americans may support Trump purely as the lesser of two evils. With Hillary at the helm, the American people know exactly what they are going to get: more war, more corruption and more policies that will only benefit special interests.

Trump: The Anti-Establishment Candidate?

Trump supporters are often very vocal in their belief that the real estate magnate is an anti-establishment outsider. In many of his speeches and comments, Trump plays up to this (probably carefully constructed) persona. Judging by the nature of people advising the presidential candidate however, Trump’s anti-establishment populism looks anything but genuine.

In addition to the establishment heavyweights Trump has already met with – including the former US Secretary of State and member of the influential Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Henry Kissinger, and the former Director of Policy Planning at the State Department and current head of the CFR, Richard Hass – Trump’s official advisory teams on both foreign and economic policy reveal some troublesome connections to the neocons, Wall Street, Soros and the CFR.

A Foreign Policy Ran by Blackwater and the Neocons

Trump’s official foreign policy team includes a minimum of two neocons, with Joseph E. Schmitz the clear winner of the award for the worst foreign policy adviser in Trump’s selection. Schmitz, a lawyer by trade, is the former Inspector General of the Department of Defense in addition to being a former executive at none other than Blackwater Worldwide. Blackwater, which rebranded itself as Academi in 2011 due to its atrocious reputation (similar to what Jabhat Al-Nusra just done), is the notorious military contractor that has been involved in various controversies.

It is probably most infamous for the horrific incident in 2007, when Blackwater guards killed 17 Iraqi civilians and injured a further 20 after opening fire at a traffic junction in Baghdad. Other Blackwater enterprises include making a fortune of pretending to fight the booming opium trade in Afghanistan (which so ‘curiously’ skyrocketed following the US-led invasion of the country in 2001), in addition to fighting alongside the Western-backed terrorists in Syria who are trying to overthrow the government of Bashar al-Assad.

Schmitz is also connected to the Center for Security Policy (CSP), a neocon think tank whose publications fuel the anti-Islamic hysteria that is so prevalent in the US today. As Professor Michel Chossudovsky of Global Research has documented, CSP is an organization that has received funding by corporate powers who are promoting Islamophobia in America. CSP is also reportedly financed by numerous giants of the military-industrial complex, including Raytheon and Lockheed Martin.

Economic Advisers Connected to Wall Street, Soros and the CFR

At the beginning of August, Trump officially announced his economic advisory council. Considering that Trump has criticised Hillary Clinton for her overt Wall Street connections, you would think that Trump would pick a council devoid of any Wall Street titans. Well think again; Trump’s economic team is largely comprised of bankers, hedge fund managers and Wall Street insiders, who do not in any way represent the interests of the average American voter.

Steven Mnuchin, Trump’s National Finance Chairman and a major economic adviser, could not be more in bed with Wall Street and the establishment. Mnuchin is a former partner at Goldman Sachs, spending a total of 17 years at the financial powerhouse, according to Bloomberg. In addition to working for Goldman for close to two decades, Mnuchin also worked at Soros Fund Management, a firm founded by the billionaire and regime change extraordinaire, George Soros.

Another prominent economic adviser to Trump is John Paulson, the billionaire and hedge fund manager who founded Paulson & Co in 1994. Paulson, who formerly worked at Bear Stearns, is famous for shorting the housing market in the run up to the financial crisis of 2007-08, earning approximately $4 billion from the trade. The billionaire is also a member of the CFR, in addition to previously backing Mitt Romney in his failed 2012 presidential bid.

In addition to Mnuchin and Paulson, Trump’s economic advisers include Stephen Feinberg, the CEO of the private investment firm, Cerberus Capital Management; Stephen Calk, the founder of the Federal Savings Bank who has previously worked for Chase Manhattan Mortgage Corp and Bank of America; and Wilbur Ross, the billionaire who spent 25 years running Rothschild Inc’s bankruptcy practice. Trump has also reshuffled his campaign team recently, appointing Stephen Bannon, a former investment banker at Goldman Sachs, as his new campaign CEO.

It is clear that Clinton is the pick of the establishment, which explains the largely negative coverage of Trump in the mainstream media. But considering the nature of the advisers surrounding Trump, the establishment has pulled its usual trick of ensuring that it controls both major candidates in the presidential race.
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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby Silver » Thu May 18, 2017 6:23 am

Roger Ailes just died. You'll find his name on the list of CFR members at the link below:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_o ... _Relations

Trump has many CFR members in his cabinet. They and others control him. Fox News, like other big media outlets, is also controlled by the elites.
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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby Silver » Fri May 19, 2017 4:36 am

Selling the Saudis weapons to indiscriminately kill Yemenis and now this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... d7749ec56a

Trump once denounced Saudi Arabia as extremist. Now he’s heading there to promote moderate Islam.

By Adam Taylor May 19 at 6:00 AM

This Friday, President Trump will arrive in Saudi Arabia for his first foreign trip as leader of the United States. During his time in the Saudi kingdom, Trump is planning to lead an address to around 50 Muslim leaders and take part in a debate about how to promote moderate Islam.

According to White House national security adviser H.R. McMaster, the president will “deliver an inspiring but direct speech on the need to confront radical ideology” at the newly inaugurated Global Center for Combating Extremist Ideology; one reported possibility is that Trump may propose an “Arab NATO,” in part to help fight terrorism.

The setting for the speech is key. Saudi Arabia is not only a key U.S. ally in the Middle East and a powerful force in the Arab world, but the birthplace of Islam's prophet Muhammad. The Saudi leader, King Salman, is officially referred to as the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques — a reference to the Masjid al-Haram in Mecca and Masjid al-Nabawi in Medina.

However, the location may also rankle some. The Saudi kingdom does not have a reputation as a land of religious moderation. Instead, Saudi Arabia and the al-Saud royal family have been accused of aiding and abetting religious extremism that can feed terrorism — not only granting conservative clerics vast say over daily life within Saudi Arabia, but actively exporting their views abroad.

“It's fair to say the Saudi government has spent billions of dollars over several decades to promote its ultraconservative version of Islam, which calls for hating infidels and, sometimes, jihad against them,” says Will McCants, director of the Brookings Project on U.S. Relations with the Islamic World.

The accusations
Trump offered exaggerated claims of the Saudi kingdom's extremist values before he was president. Last summer, a message was posted to Trump's Facebook page that said Saudi Arabia wants “women as slaves and to kill gays.” Later, during a presidential debate, Trump suggested that the Saudis were “people that push gays off buildings” and “kill women and treat women horribly.”

Perhaps worse still for a leader who railed passionately against “radical Islamic terrorism,” Trump has also suggested a number of times that the Saudi government may have had links to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. “It’s going to be very profound having to do with Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabia’s role on the World Trade Center and the attack,” he said while discussing the infamous 28 pages of redactions in the 9/11 commission report with Fox News last April.
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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby Silver » Sat May 20, 2017 8:04 am

"We are a warlike people." Spencer W. Kimball

Another article proving the traitorous nature of Trump. He's a narcissistic murderer and the innocent blood on his hands will also make the rest of America scarlet. All for money.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-2 ... ver-ten-ye

Trump Signs "Single Largest Arms Deal In US History" With Saudi Arabia Worth $350 Billion

When all other sources of economic growth appear tapped out, there is always the military-industrial complex coming to the rescue of US GDP with the sale of arms and equipment to the world's biggest purchaser of weapons: Saudi Arabia. Because when one looks beyond the pageantry, pomp and circumstance of Trump's visit to Saudi Arabia, the main purpose behind the president's visit is precisely that: selling weapons, some $350 billion over the next decade, according to estimates.

To be sure, Trump arrival in Saudi Arabia on Saturday was quite a spectacle, with the Saudi king throwing the president's family arrival at the Royal Diwan a "welcome fit for a king."

However, it is what will be announced later today that will be the highlight of the various meetings between the Trump delegation and his Saudi hosts, who have promised to invest billions of dollars in the U.S. as well and make other decisions aimed at pleasing Trump.

According to a statement just issued by the White House, Trump "has just completed largest single arms deal in US history, negotiating a package totaling more than $109.7 billion" which will boost Saudi Arabia's defense capabilities, bolstering equipment and services in the face of extreme terrorist groups and Iran. The White House added that the deal will create defense jobs while also reaffirming America's commitment to Saudi Arabia.

The deal will provide Saudi Arabia, the world's largest importer of weapons (for the breakdown of the world's weapons trade, see "Visualizing The Global Weapons Trade"), with top-tier equipment and services including missiles, bombs, armored personnel carriers, Littoral Combat Ships, THAAD missile defense systems, and munitions.
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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby freedomforall » Mon May 22, 2017 2:57 am

My comment:
Too bad that for those so against Trump, so intent on demeaning Trump and posting everything possible to cause others to join in and spew hate and the like...can't see that Trump is not a part of the socialist agenda in every sense of the word...they ignore the real enemy to our country and Constitution. One has to ask, why is not Trump and Obama in the same corner?
Look what Obama is doing, which is a strong indication that Trump is far removed from being so treasonous.

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The following is as I received it.

"I do not understand how living in a country with its democracy established over 200 years ago, and for the first time in history, suddenly we have one of our former presidents set up a group called "Organizing for Action", (OFA) 30,000 strong working to disrupt everything that our current president is trying to do. This goes against our Democracy, it is an operation that will destroy our way of governing. It goes against our Constitution, our laws, and the process established over 200 years ago. If this is allowed to proceed then we will be living in chaos very much like third world countries are run. What good is it to have an established government if it is not going to be respected and allowed to follow our laws? If this does not scare you, then we are in worse trouble than you know.
It is explained below. Do your part, read it and at least pass this on so others will know what we are up against.
We are losing our country and we are so compliant. We are becoming a "PERFECT TARGET" for our enemy!
Article from the New York Post.......

If you had an army some 30,000 strong and a court system stacked over the decades with judges who would allow you to break the laws, how much damage could you do to a country? We are about to find out in America.

The ex-president said he was going to stay involved through community organizing and speak out on the issues and that appears to be one post-administration promise he intends to keep. He has moved many of his administration's top dogs over to an organization called Organizing for Action (OFA). OFA is behind the strategic and tactical implementation of the resistance we are seeing across America, and politically active courts are providing the leverage for this revolution.

OFA is dedicated to organizing communities for "progressive" change. Issues are gun control, socialist healthcare, abortion, sexual equality, climate change, and of course, immigration reform.

OFA members were propped up by the ex-president's message from the shadows:
"Organizing is the building block of everything great we've accomplished. Organizers around the country are fighting for change in their communities-and OFA is one of the groups on the front lines...Commit to this work in 2016 and beyond."

OFA's website says it obtained its "digital" assets from the ex-president's re-election effort and that he inspired the movement. In short, it's the shadow government organization aimed at resisting and tearing down the Constitutional Republic. AMERICA

Paul Sperry, writing for the New York Post, says OFA will fight President Donald Trump at every turn of his presidency and the ex-president "will command them from a bunker less than two miles from the White House." Sperry writes that the ex-president is setting up a shadow government to sabotage the incoming administration through a network of non-profits led by OFA, which is growing its war chest (more than $40 million) and has some 250 offices nationwide. OFA IRS filings, according to Sperry, indicate OFA has 32,525 volunteers nationwide. The ex-president and his wife will oversee the operation from their home/ office near the White House.

Think about how this works, for example: Trump issues an immigration executive order; OFA signals for protests and statements from pro-immigrant groups; ACLU lawyers file lawsuits in jurisdictions where activist judges obstruct the laws; volunteers are called to protest at airports and Congressional town hall meetings; the leftist media springs to action; the twitter sphere lights up with social media; violence follows- all emanating from the ex-president's signal that he is heartened by the protests.

If Barack Obama did not do enough to destroy this country in the 8 years he was in office, it appears his future plans are to destroy the foundation on which this country has operated on for the last 241 years."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizing_for_Action
Organizing for Action - Wikipedia<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizing_for_Action>
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Organizing for Action (OFA) is a nonprofit 501(c)4 organization and community organizing project that advocates for the agenda of former U.S. President Barack Obama.
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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby Silver » Mon May 22, 2017 4:22 am

freedomforall wrote:
Mon May 22, 2017 2:57 am
My comment:
Too bad that for those so against Trump, so intent on demeaning Trump and posting everything possible to cause others to join in and spew hate and the like...can't see that Trump is not a part of the socialist agenda in every sense of the word...they ignore the real enemy to our country and Constitution. One has to ask, why is not Trump and Obama in the same corner?
Look what Obama is doing, which is a strong indication that Trump is far removed from being so treasonous.

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Did you see Kissinger in the White House recently? Did you miss that piece of news? The forces arrayed against America are much bigger than a "socialist agenda." Socialism is nothing without other people's money. Ether 8 has the answer.
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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby Silver » Mon May 22, 2017 10:31 am

The link below lists 68 times ol' Marmalade promised to repeal Obamacare, and yes, some of those promises included the words, "on day one." Do you think he meant on day one of his 2nd term?

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-promise ... 9500dad31e

Well, he lied, but then all politicians trying to get elected do that. "A chicken in every pot comes to mind."

Now Obamacare has gotten another boost.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-2 ... -again-now

Trump Saves Obamacare Again... For Now

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by Tyler Durden
May 22, 2017 12:36 PM

The Trump administration and the House have officially asked for another 90 days to work out a lawsuit over subsidies that help poorer people afford to use their Obamacare insurance plans, further delaying a long-running legal fight that’s already destabilizing the health law.

As Axio snotes, the key point is - "The parties continue to discuss measures that would obviate the need for judicial determination of this appeal, including potential legislative action."

Bloomberg continues...

Without the payments, insurers have threatened to drop out of Obamacare or substantially raise premiums, and customers could face thousands of dollars in unexpected costs. The Trump administration could still choose to drop the appeal, though other parties are attempting to take up defense of the payments.

State officials, the health industry and Democrats in Congress have pushed for the payments to continue, saying that ending them would upend the insurance market and cost millions of people their health insurance.

“We need swift action and long-term certainty on this critical program,” Cathryn Donaldson, a spokeswoman for America’s Health Insurance Plans, said in an email.

“It is the single most destabilizing factor in the individual market, and millions of Americans could soon feel the impact of fewer choices, higher costs, and reduced access to care.”
The group is one of the main lobbying associations for health insurers.

However, as Bloomberg reports, while the latest delay is a reprieve for Obamacare, it does little to resolve the underlying uncertainty created by the case and by Republican efforts in Congress to repeal and replace large parts of the law. Health insurers are in the midst of deciding whether to participate in the Affordable Care Act next year, and what to charge customers. Some have already said they’ll raise premiums in 2018 because of uncertainty around the subsidies.

Trump previously threatened to use the CSR payments as a bargaining chip to bring Democrats to the table on health care if Republicans can’t muster enough repeal votes in the Senate. He also tried to use them as leverage to gain funding for a border wall with Mexico, saying he’d give Democrats a dollar in CSR money for every dollar for the wall.

Of course, the Democrats had plenty to say...

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said the decision to continue the funding showed the administration knows that continuing the payments is the right thing to do. He criticized the uncertainty from Trump on their future.

"Unfortunately, by kicking the can down the road once again, the administration is continuing to sow uncertainty in the markets that will hurt millions of Americans," Schumer said in a statement. "Instead of hemming and hawing, they ought to step up to the plate and say once and for all that they will make these payments permanently, which help millions of Americans pay less for their health care."

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, of California, criticized the action to delay the lawsuit further rather than resolve it once and for all.

“Republicans cynically continue to sow uncertainty in the health coverage of millions of Americans,” Pelosi said in a statement. “At a critical period when insurers are deciding premiums for next year, Republicans are pouring uncertainty into the health insurance marketplaces.”

While the delay will move the next update for the case to mid-August, the deadline for insurers to submit their 2018 plans for Obamacare' exchanges in most states is June 21.
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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby Silver » Mon May 22, 2017 11:54 am

More death and destruction brought to you by the Neocons who control Trump.

Why is the answer to all the world's problems war? Always war. Yet as soon as one war is over, it's time for another war. Trump's on board with the Gadiantons. The voice of the people was for evil...again.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-2 ... ing-script

Ron Paul Warns Iran Is In The Crosshairs: "Neocons Are Still Writing The Script"
by Tyler Durden May 22, 2017 1:53 PM

Iran has been in neocon crosshairs for a very long time. U.S. Presidential Administrations come and go, Democrat and Republican, but the neocon script has remained the same.
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President Trump, voted in as an "outsider," has adopted the insider script.

Today's speech in Saudi Arabia was crafted by Trump's neocon Senior Policy Advisor Stephen Miller.

Miller's "long-time mentor" is David Horowitz. Here are Horowitz's thoughts on Bush's invasion of Iraq:

“Baghdad is liberated,” he wrote for his FrontPage Magazine in April 2003. “In the days to come let us not forget that if it were not for one man, and one man alone—George Bush—the people of Iraq would not be celebrating in the streets and pulling down Saddam’s statues today.

… We have entered the era of a new civil war between the forces of freedom and the powers of Islamo-fascist and communist darkness, and once again the left is clearly determined to take its stand on the other side. The good news is that America is back. Our military has performed superlatively. Our leadership has stood tall. We ourselves can celebrate over this and look confidently toward what lies ahead.”
Long story short...Trump may be a different face, but the neocon goal has remained the same.

?Here's the relevant part of today's speech about Iran that neocon Stephen Miller wrote for Trump:

But no discussion of stamping out this threat would be complete without mentioning the government that gives terrorists all three—safe harbor, financial backing, and the social standing needed for recruitment. It is a regime that is responsible for so much instability in the region. I am speaking of course of Iran.

From Lebanon to Iraq to Yemen, Iran funds, arms, and trains terrorists, militias, and other extremist groups that spread destruction and chaos across the region. For decades, Iran has fueled the fires of sectarian conflict and terror.

It is a government that speaks openly of mass murder, vowing the destruction of Israel, death to America, and ruin for many leaders and nations in this room.

Among Iran's most tragic and destabilizing interventions have been in Syria. Bolstered by Iran, Assad has committed unspeakable crimes, and the United States has taken firm action in response to the use of banned chemical weapons by the Assad Regime -- launching 59 tomahawk missiles at the Syrian air base from where that murderous attack originated.

Responsible nations must work together to end the humanitarian crisis in Syria, eradicate ISIS, and restore stability to the region. The Iranian regime's longest-suffering victims are its own people. Iran has a rich history and culture, but the people of Iran have endured hardship and despair under their leaders' reckless pursuit of conflict and terror.

Until the Iranian regime is willing to be a partner for peace, all nations of conscience must work together to isolate Iran, deny it funding for terrorism, and pray for the day when the Iranian people have the just and righteous government they deserve.
Neocons are patient.

They always keep their eyes on the prize.

Democrats....Republicans...."Outsiders"....

Neocons write the script.

Meanwhile, our lives, our safety, and (of course) our wallets are always at their beck and call.
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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby freedomforall » Mon May 22, 2017 9:19 pm

I look upon those, with scorn, who are bent on continuously finding fault with Trump and ignoring the real enemy trying to bring down the country. They are following suit with the media and Democrats doing everything in their power to derail Trump, even to the point of spreading whatever can be found to demonize him in an attempt to get him impeached.
Itsa darn shame we have LDS members acting like judge and jury, thinking they are doing everyone a favor and aggrandizing themselves in the process.
freedomforall wrote:If Barack Obama did not do enough to destroy this country in the 8 years he was in office, it appears his future plans are to destroy the foundation on which this country has operated on for the last 241 years.
freedomforall wrote:If this is allowed to proceed then we will be living in chaos very much like third world countries are run. What good is it to have an established government if it is not going to be respected and allowed to follow our laws? If this does not scare you, then we are in worse trouble than you know.

We are losing our country and we are so compliant. We are becoming a "PERFECT TARGET" for our enemy!
If Trump is so bad then why is he not sleeping in the same bed as Obama?

Here are three main false claims against Trump:

The following comes from Arizona Congressman Andy Biggs, Congressional Representative for Arizona CD 5. Prior being elected to the U.S. House of Representatives last November,

The false claim that Trump conspired with Russia to engineer the 2016 election has reached the height of absurdity. The media and Democrats are trying to bamboozle the country by conflating several isolated incidents. They have no evidence but have created a story that combines the allegations about the Russians and the firing of FBI Director James Comey.


Claim 1: Trump conspired with Russia to interfere with the election

The first bogus allegation by the radical media and carried forward by many Democrats is that Trump somehow participated with Russia to influence the 2016 election. The advocates of this disinformation hit this off-tune piano key early and often. But Obama-era Director of National Intelligence James Clapper testified under oath that there was no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians.

The FBI and two congressional committees continue to investigate the extent of Russian activities. Unlike those who keep throwing wet wood on a match and producing smoke where there is no fire, I am content to wait for the outcome of those investigations and not jump to unwarranted and unsubstantiated conclusions.


Claim 2: Trump disclosed confidential information to Russian diplomats

The media and Democrats, sensing that people are not buying their first false Russian claim, have turned to an unnamed source who cites an unseen memo to make their second false claim. They allege that Trump disclosed confidential information to high-level Russian officials. No independent evidence to date corroborates the assertions.

Unlike the Washington Post, CNN, New York Times, and other outlets using unnamed sources, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, who were actually in the meeting, publicly deny the reports.

The media have buried the lede. The real problem here is that either there was a criminal leak by someone in attendance at the meeting that jeopardizes national security and stature, or the media has once again grabbed a false story in its zeal to delegitimize the Trump presidency.


Claim 3: The firing of FBI Director James Comey and his memo

The Washington Post was the first to try and get the fire started, but was joined by radical members of the media. Here is a line from a CNN piece: "Comey wrote, quoting Trump in the document, which CNN has not viewed but which was described by the sources."

Democrats keep fanning the wet wood, producing only smoke. In their effort to delegitimize Trump and encourage a never-will-happen impeachment proceeding, they claim that the as-yet-unseen Comey memo is evidence of obstruction of justice.

Oddly enough, the unobservant media failed to acknowledge that an actual witness testified under oath before the Senate. In a recent hearing, Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe said, "There has been no effort to impede our investigation today." That's right – the FBI testified under oath that there has been no obstruction of the investigation.

If Comey believed that his conversation with Trump constituted obstruction, he was obligated to report the offense to his superior (See 18 U.S.C. Section 4).

Democrats looked the other way when 30,000 emails were deleted from Hillary Clinton's server. They do not care that the alleged Russian interference with our election occurred under Obama's administration. The media's double standard for the Trump administration is unseemly. Simply put, the media and the Left have become unhinged over unsourced accusations.

The American people can clearly see there is an unprecedented, orchestrated effort to undermine Trump, in an attempt to subvert the will of the American people. I have never seen this level of fervor in American politics where anonymous sources dictate talks of impeachment, special counsels, investigations and obstruction of justice.

In spite of this incredible divisiveness, Trump has been productive. In the first four months of his administration, he has saved taxpayers billions of dollars by repealing government regulations, aided a rapid rise in economic growth, enforced our nation's immigration laws to help lower illegal border crossings and given us Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch. He has an ambitious agenda, and I believe that he will receive more successful outcomes in the future as he works to keep his promises.

Republicans in Congress can keep our promises to the American public by maintaining focus on our agenda to repeal Obamacare, reform tax structure for every American, build the border wall and facilitate creation of jobs and economic growth by reducing additional regulations. I look forward to working with my colleagues and the White House to these ends.
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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby Silver » Mon May 22, 2017 9:29 pm

freedomforall wrote:
Mon May 22, 2017 9:19 pm
I look upon those, with scorn, who are bent on continuously finding fault with Trump and ignoring the real enemy trying to bring down the country. They are following suit with the media and Democrats doing everything in their power to derail Trump, even to the point of spreading false information in an attempt to get Trump impeached.
Itsa darn shame we have LDS members acting like judge and jury in incessantly spreading gossip, thinking they are doing everyone a favor and aggrandizing themselves in the process.
freedomforall wrote:If Barack Obama did not do enough to destroy this country in the 8 years he was in office, it appears his future plans are to destroy the foundation on which this country has operated on for the last 241 years.
freedomforall wrote:If this is allowed to proceed then we will be living in chaos very much like third world countries are run. What good is it to have an established government if it is not going to be respected and allowed to follow our laws? If this does not scare you, then we are in worse trouble than you know.

We are losing our country and we are so compliant. We are becoming a "PERFECT TARGET" for our enemy!
If Trump is so bad then why is he not sleeping in the same bed as Obama?

Here are three main false claims against Trump:

The following comes from Arizona Congressman Andy Biggs, Congressional Representative for Arizona CD 5. Prior being elected to the U.S. House of Representatives last November,

The false claim that Trump conspired with Russia to engineer the 2016 election has reached the height of absurdity. The media and Democrats are trying to bamboozle the country by conflating several isolated incidents. They have no evidence but have created a story that combines the allegations about the Russians and the firing of FBI Director James Comey.


Claim 1: Trump conspired with Russia to interfere with the election

The first bogus allegation by the radical media and carried forward by many Democrats is that Trump somehow participated with Russia to influence the 2016 election. The advocates of this disinformation hit this off-tune piano key early and often. But Obama-era Director of National Intelligence James Clapper testified under oath that there was no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians.

The FBI and two congressional committees continue to investigate the extent of Russian activities. Unlike those who keep throwing wet wood on a match and producing smoke where there is no fire, I am content to wait for the outcome of those investigations and not jump to unwarranted and unsubstantiated conclusions.


Claim 2: Trump disclosed confidential information to Russian diplomats

The media and Democrats, sensing that people are not buying their first false Russian claim, have turned to an unnamed source who cites an unseen memo to make their second false claim. They allege that Trump disclosed confidential information to high-level Russian officials. No independent evidence to date corroborates the assertions.

Unlike the Washington Post, CNN, New York Times, and other outlets using unnamed sources, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, who were actually in the meeting, publicly deny the reports.

The media have buried the lede. The real problem here is that either there was a criminal leak by someone in attendance at the meeting that jeopardizes national security and stature, or the media has once again grabbed a false story in its zeal to delegitimize the Trump presidency.


Claim 3: The firing of FBI Director James Comey and his memo

The Washington Post was the first to try and get the fire started, but was joined by radical members of the media. Here is a line from a CNN piece: "Comey wrote, quoting Trump in the document, which CNN has not viewed but which was described by the sources."

Democrats keep fanning the wet wood, producing only smoke. In their effort to delegitimize Trump and encourage a never-will-happen impeachment proceeding, they claim that the as-yet-unseen Comey memo is evidence of obstruction of justice.

Oddly enough, the unobservant media failed to acknowledge that an actual witness testified under oath before the Senate. In a recent hearing, Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe said, "There has been no effort to impede our investigation today." That's right – the FBI testified under oath that there has been no obstruction of the investigation.

If Comey believed that his conversation with Trump constituted obstruction, he was obligated to report the offense to his superior (See 18 U.S.C. Section 4).

Democrats looked the other way when 30,000 emails were deleted from Hillary Clinton's server. They do not care that the alleged Russian interference with our election occurred under Obama's administration. The media's double standard for the Trump administration is unseemly. Simply put, the media and the Left have become unhinged over unsourced accusations.

The American people can clearly see there is an unprecedented, orchestrated effort to undermine Trump, in an attempt to subvert the will of the American people. I have never seen this level of fervor in American politics where anonymous sources dictate talks of impeachment, special counsels, investigations and obstruction of justice.

In spite of this incredible divisiveness, Trump has been productive. In the first four months of his administration, he has saved taxpayers billions of dollars by repealing government regulations, aided a rapid rise in economic growth, enforced our nation's immigration laws to help lower illegal border crossings and given us Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch. He has an ambitious agenda, and I believe that he will receive more successful outcomes in the future as he works to keep his promises.

Republicans in Congress can keep our promises to the American public by maintaining focus on our agenda to repeal Obamacare, reform tax structure for every American, build the border wall and facilitate creation of jobs and economic growth by reducing additional regulations. I look forward to working with my colleagues and the White House to these ends.
Of course, FFA, as before you are ignoring the weightier matters of the word. God says "thou shalt not murder." Why is it so hard for you and others to simply admit that Trump is guilty of killing people in Syria with missiles? There is not a single word in the scriptures that can justify the US military taking the lives of those people. In fact, we are acting exactly opposite of how God wants us to wage war. This empire-building is our doom.

And as if the foregoing is not bad enough, now we're giving a brutal bunch of inbred sheikhs more weapons to kill innocent people in Yemen. How can you justify that? I wonder how America will be judged for all its war-making and fetus-killing.

You made the mistake of including Hillary's emails in your post. Have you ever heard of the NSA? They have records of every email and web-browsing experience of Hillary and you and me. Trump probably knows a guy or two in the NSA. He could get all her emails and have Sessions prosecute her any time. He could have done that on January 20th. He could do it right now.Yet he does not. Dude, you've been politically jacked. Man up and admit it.

You Trump supporters really have no idea what you're talking about and you have blinders on just in case you see anything you learned was wrong way back in your Primary classes.
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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby freedomforall » Mon May 22, 2017 10:17 pm

Obama Foundation and OFA are domestic terrorist organizations affiliated with muz bros
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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby Silver » Mon May 22, 2017 10:31 pm

Friends, have mercy on FreedomForAll and others like him. They cannot, at this stage of their political development, bring themselves to admit that they have been, and are presently, supporting a murderer. Eventually, they will come around and we will welcome them with open arms. Until then, let's continue to publish the truth.
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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby freedomforall » Tue May 23, 2017 12:08 am

Oh the ignore list sure is nice, less contentious and other matters of concern can be posted without having to defend or justify it or my intentions.
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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby Silver » Tue May 23, 2017 12:28 am

freedomforall wrote:
Tue May 23, 2017 12:08 am
Oh the ignore list sure is nice, less contentious and other matters of concern can be posted without having to defend or justify it or my intentions.
Yet somehow you can justify remaining silent about Trump's murders.
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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby Silver » Tue May 23, 2017 12:45 am

The Marmalade In Chief is going to turn red, blood red, and lose his orangeness. Is this why you voted for him? Did you want more death and destruction in Afghanistan? Do you like to crush the hopes and dreams of families with soldiers? All for money, for profit?

I don't agree with the thesis or the recommendations in this article. However, the author rightly points out that we should get out.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-2 ... fghanistan

Time For The US To Take A Step Back From Afghanistan
Submitted by James Durso, originaly posted op-ed via The Hill,

This month we learned the U.S. Marines are back in Helmand, Afghanistan’s most violent province and the center of opium poppy production, and their mission may expand. President Trump will soon decide if he should send 8,400 more troops there for the latest chapter in America’s longest war. Should he?

I think not. We gave Afghanistan out best effort: over 2,200 dead soldiers, over 20,000 wounded, and over $700 billion for everything from ammunition to medical care for veterans. We need to face the fact that it’s an endemically violent place and may never change and another “whole of government” effort may not make any difference.

And don’t take my word for it: the Talban has rejected peace talks with the Afghan government as surrendering to the enemy and against Islam.

The Afghans have seen off every visitor and invader, from Alexander the Great to the U.S. Central Command, so why spend another dollar there? For example, the regional transport network has avoided Afghanistan and the enthusiasts for a New Silk Road or One Belt, One Road haven’t absorbed that the world is avoiding Afghanistan not out of stupidity but out of hard-won experience.

Yes, there is wealth to be had: Russian, British, and American geologists have found that Afghanistan has enormous untapped mineral resources, valued at $1 to $3 trillion. The minerals are in the ground, sure, but there’s no way to get them out so they’re effectively worth nothing. And there’s no way to get them out because the country is violent and corrupt which scares away prudent investors.

In 2008, the Chinese won the rights to the Aynak copper mine for $3 billion and an alleged $30 million bribe to the minister of mines. In 2017, no copper has yet been mined and the Chinese executive heading the project has been expelled from the Communist party for corruption. The only good news, if you can call it that, has been the recent Taliban green light for the restart of the project.

Wise Western investors should temporarily cede the field to the Chinese, Pakistanis, and Iranians — our enemies and frenemies — and let them try to make something of it. Afghanistan will still want friends in the West and we should exercise some of that recently derided “strategic patience” until the time is right and the Chinese have worn out their welcome when the Afghans realize they won’t create any jobs. Dealing with Afghanistan should be like buying a used car — let someone else take the loss and get it later at a savings. In this case, the savings of American lives and the bandwidth our leaders can devote to tractable issues.
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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby Silver » Tue May 23, 2017 3:10 pm

freedomforall wrote:
Tue May 23, 2017 1:06 am
As you consider the video, recall the chief judge in the book of Helaman who was killed by his brother. Sometimes the wicked kill the wicked.
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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby Silver » Tue May 23, 2017 8:33 pm

Another Constitution-loving man points out the facts about Trump for the eager readers at LDSFF.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-2 ... -succeeded

The Republic Has Fallen: The Deep State's Plot To Take Over America Has Succeeded

May 23, 2017 11:00 PM
Submitted by John Whitehead via The Rutherford Institute,

No doubt about it.

The coup d’etat has been successful.

The Deep State - a.k.a. the police state, a.k.a. the military industrial complex - has taken over.

The American system of representative government has been overthrown by a profit-driven, militaristic corporate state bent on total control and global domination through the imposition of martial law here at home and by fomenting wars abroad.

When in doubt, follow the money trail.

It always points the way.

Every successive president starting with Franklin D. Roosevelt has been bought—lock, stock and barrel—and made to dance to the tune of the Deep State.

Enter Donald Trump, the candidate who swore to drain the swamp in Washington DC.

Instead of putting an end to the corruption, however, Trump has paved the way for lobbyists, corporations, the military industrial complex, and the Deep State to feast on the carcass of the dying American republic.

Just recently, for instance, Trump agreed to sell Saudi Arabia more than $110 billion in military weapons.


Meanwhile, Trump—purportedly in an effort to balance the budget in 10 years—wants to slash government funding for programs for the poor, ranging from health care and food stamps to student loans and disability payments.

The military doesn’t have to worry about tightening its belt, however. No, the military’s budget—with its trillion dollar wars, its $125 billion in administrative waste, and its contractor-driven price gouging that hits the American taxpayer where it hurts the most—will continue to grow, thanks to Trump.

This is how you keep the Deep State in power.

The rich will get richer, the poor will get poorer, the military will get more militaristic, America’s endless wars will get more endless, and the prospect of peace will grow ever dimmer.

As for the terrorists, they will keep on being played for pawns as long as Saudi Arabia remains their breeding ground and America remains the source of their weapons, training and know-how.

Follow the money. It always points the way.

As Bertram Gross noted in Friendly Fascism: The New Face of Power in America, “evil now wears a friendlier face than ever before in American history.”

Writing in 1980, Gross predicted a future in which he saw:

…a new despotism creeping slowly across America. Faceless oligarchs sit at command posts of a corporate-government complex that has been slowly evolving over many decades. In efforts to enlarge their own powers and privileges, they are willing to have others suffer the intended or unintended consequences of their institutional or personal greed. For Americans, these consequences include chronic inflation, recurring recession, open and hidden unemployment, the poisoning of air, water, soil and bodies, and, more important, the subversion of our constitution. More broadly, consequences include widespread intervention in international politics through economic manipulation, covert action, or military invasion...
We’ve been losing our freedoms so incrementally for so long—sold to us in the name of national security and global peace, maintained by way of martial law disguised as law and order, and enforced by a standing army of militarized police and a political elite determined to maintain their powers at all costs—that it’s hard to pinpoint exactly when it all started going downhill, but we’re certainly on that downward trajectory now, and things are moving fast.

The “government of the people, by the people, for the people” has perished.

It will not be revived or restored without a true revolution of values and a people’s rebellion the likes of which we may not see for a very long time.

America is a profitable business interest for a very select few, and war—wars waged abroad against shadowy enemies and wars waged at home against the American people—has become the Deep State’s primary means of income.

After all, war is big business.

In order to maintain a profit margin, one would either have to find new enemies abroad or focus on fighting a war at home, against the American people, and that’s exactly what we’re dealing with today.


Wars waged abroad to the tune of trillions of dollars since 9/11.
Military equipment sold to foreign enemies.
Local police transformed into a standing army in the American homeland through millions of dollars’ worth of grants to local police agencies for military weapons, vehicles, training and assistance.
The public acclimated to the sights and sounds of martial law through urban training exercises and domestic military training drills timed and formulated to coincide with or portend actual crises.
The citizenry taught to fear and distrust each other and to welcome the trappings of the police state.
Had the government tried to ram such a state of affairs down our throats suddenly, it might have had a rebellion on its hands. Instead, the American people have been given the boiling frog treatment, immersed in water that slowly is heated up—degree by degree—so that they’ve fail to notice that they’re being trapped and cooked and killed.

“We the people” are in hot water now.

As I make clear in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, the Constitution doesn’t stand a chance against a federalized, globalized standing army protected by legislative, judicial and executive branches that are all on the same side, no matter what political views they subscribe to: suffice it to say, they are not on our side or the side of freedom.

From Clinton to Bush, then Obama and now Trump, it’s as if we’ve been caught in a time loop, forced to re-live the same thing over and over again: the same assaults on our freedoms, the same disregard for the rule of law, the same subservience to the Deep State, and the same corrupt, self-serving government that exists only to amass power, enrich its shareholders and ensure its continued domination.

The republic has fallen to fascism with a smile.

Elections will not save us.


Learn the treacherous lessons of 2008 and 2016: presidential elections have made a mockery of our constitutional system of government, suggesting that our votes can make a difference when, in fact, they merely serve to maintain the status quo.

Don’t delay.

Start now—in your own communities, in your schools, at your city council meetings, in newspaper editorials, at protests—by pushing back against laws that are unjust, police departments that overreach, politicians that don’t listen to their constituents, and a system of government that grows more tyrannical by the day.

If you wait until 2020 to rescue our republic from the clutches of the Deep State, it will be too late.
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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby Silver » Thu May 25, 2017 4:36 am

Somebody, anybody, please stop the traitorous actions of a Commander In Chief gone wild. America cannot sell weapons to repressive tyrants.

http://news.antiwar.com/2017/05/23/sen- ... arms-deal/

Sen. Rand Paul to Force Vote on Massive Saudi Arms Deal
Warns Sales Would Drag US Into Saudi Arabia's Yemen War
by Jason Ditz, May 23, 2017

Sen. Rand Paul (R – KY) intends to force a vote in the Senate on the record US arms sales to Saudi Arabia, a deal which the Trump Administration has estimated will be worth some $350 billion over the decade. Paul is expected to introduce the bill on Wednesday.

The Arms Export Control Act gives senators 10 days to bring up opposition to arms sales, and Paul will have to act particularly fast this time because the Senate is leaving Friday for the Memorial Day holiday, during which they take an entire week off.

Sen. Paul argued that increasing US armament of the Saudis would mean deeper US involvement in the Saudi invasion of Yemen. That of course is something many in the Trump Administration want at any rate, so for them that is seen as a bonus, if anything.

Sen. Paul has been supported in the past in trying to rein in Saudi arms sales by some Democrats, particularly Sen. Chris Murphy (D – CT). It is unclear at this point if he has much support, though the arms industry’s eagerness to secure this lucrative deal is likely to have them lobbying [heavily].
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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby Z2100 » Thu May 25, 2017 6:18 am

From what I read, this is what I've came to:

1. Hillary Clinton needs to be locked up but that's never going to happen

2. Donald Trump is not doing what he said he would do in his
campgain speeches

3. The secret combinations/gadiantons are dealing with Trump somehow

4. WW3 will start in the Middle East and they will attack us with all of the weapons WE gave them
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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby Silver » Thu May 25, 2017 6:26 am

Z2100 wrote:
Thu May 25, 2017 6:18 am
From what I read, this is what I've came to:

1. Hillary Clinton needs to be locked up but that's never going to happen

2. Donald Trump is not doing what he said he would do in his
campgain speeches

3. The secret combinations/gadiantons are dealing with Trump somehow

4. WW3 will start in the Middle East and they will attack us with all of the weapons WE gave them
Agree with 1-3, but WW3 might start elsewhere. Western powers have certainly messed up things so badly in the ME that I wouldn't be surprised by whatever happens there or in the West. Blowback is a thing. It's real.
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Re: Trump = Traitor, Part 2

Postby Silver » Tue May 30, 2017 7:35 am

Trump supporters here have the gall to say that I "hate" Trump. Yet on the other side of their mouths they are cheering Trump as we send another aircraft carrier towards the Korean Peninsula, as we send more troops to the Middle East, as we sell more weapons to one of the most heinous kingdoms on earth so those bloodthirsty, inbred fanatics can kill more innocent people in Yemen.

Yep, I can just feel the love oozing out of the mouths and pores of all the Trump supporters.

President Kimball is right. We are a warlike people. We like war. We love war. We love killing people. We are murderers. We deserve the coming punishments.
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