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You can watch a 6 part documentary on Netflix called BBC Farm. Archeologists and historians live on a Sussex farm like it would have been in 1940's during the war. Great for prepping ideas.

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Remember watching this series when it first aired. I too recommend it. Ruth and the gang have done quite a few very good series over the years.

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I'd love to watch this, but I can't find it anywhere on Netflix. I've tried looking for - BBC Wartime Farm - Wartime Farm - War time Farm - BBC Farm, etc. Nothing comes up for any of these names.

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EmmaLee wrote:I'd love to watch this, but I can't find it anywhere on Netflix. I've tried looking for - BBC Wartime Farm - Wartime Farm - War time Farm - BBC Farm, etc. Nothing comes up for any of these names.
Sorry, I also couldn't find it. It was recommended by Survival Mom in her latest e-mail. I think it might be discontinued. It was also on you tube, and now not available there. Amazon has some for sale called The Complete Wartime Farm.

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I finally hooked up my laptop to my TV with an HDMI cable and watched the youtube video. War time farm has 8 episodes and we watched 2. Really interesting. I was a little surprised about how much the Ministry controlled everything.

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OCDMOM wrote:I finally hooked up my laptop to my TV with an HDMI cable and watched the youtube video. War time farm has 8 episodes and we watched 2. Really interesting. I was a little surprised about how much the Ministry controlled everything.
The Ministry had to control a lot during wartime.
The only circumstances where a centrally planned economy works the best is during wartime. The Soviet Union is a prime example.

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Robin Hood wrote: The Ministry had to control a lot during wartime.
The only circumstances where a centrally planned economy works the best is during wartime. The Soviet Union is a prime example.
But only because during war people's material expectations are lower. And because a significant slice of the otherwise productive are engaged in the war effort, either at the front or war or at the logistics and bellic industrial production. During war there is commonly a shortage of workmanship and the economy is limited by the workmanship available --- one that isn't engaged in the fighting effort, or recovering from wounds or diseases.

Thus, if it takes war for us to accept central planning and micromanagement over our lives, we will have a big war. Coming to a war theatre near you!

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You're right.
The reason the Soviets were able to dig in and hold the line, and then push back the Germans so decisively was because they were able to focus the industrial might of the whole nation on the war effort. A centrally planned economy makes it possible to do this effectively.

The same would be true of almost any national emergency.

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Robin Hood,
You're right.
The reason the Soviets were able to dig in and hold the line, and then push back the Germans so decisively was because they were able to focus the industrial might of the whole nation on the war effort. A centrally planned economy makes it possible to do this effectively.

The same would be true of almost any national emergency.
You've made similar comments 2X, so I think I need to correct a little here. First of all BOTH the Germans and the the Soviets were planned economies. What do you think the National Socialists Labor Party stood for (NAZI). Also, The Soviets did NOT win because their industry was better than the Germans. It won because of 2 things. 1 Massive US support in providing the bulk of their war material (the same for the Brits, for that matter. Think Lend Lease) and 2 they had a massvly larger population.

True, it is necessary for a country to move towards a command economy during wartime to fulfill the mission of the war, but it is neither better nor more efficient than the free market.

But that is probably why some in our Wilson administration (one of the first Progressive...socialist leaning presidents of the US), remarked wistfully that it was a shame that after the war WW1, that they no longer could command the economy as they did during WW1, because they could do so much good.

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Robin Hood wrote:The reason the Soviets were able to dig in and hold the line, and then push back the Germans so decisively was because they were able to focus the industrial might of the whole nation on the war effort.
Not really. The Soviets received generous offers of money, food and bellic material from the United States, even before the Americans joined the war. Were not for these transfers, especially the food and money, the Soviets would have crumbled in disarray.

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francisco.colaco wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:The reason the Soviets were able to dig in and hold the line, and then push back the Germans so decisively was because they were able to focus the industrial might of the whole nation on the war effort.
Not really. The Soviets received generous offers of money, food and bellic material from the United States, even before the Americans joined the war. Were not for these transfers, especially the food and money, the Soviets would have crumbled in disarray.
It's certainly true that food deliveries from the US and UK helped a lot.
But the ability to require tractor factories to produce tanks and aircrafts etc, without offering financial incentives to do so, was crucial.
The ability to move an entire population into war mode at the behest of government decree was a distinct advantage when faced with the peril which confronted them.

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Robin Hood,

Yes, but The Germans had the same thing!

Actually the US out produced all, by orders of magnitude. Some of which could probably be associated with the fact that were weren't bombed into the middle ages. In fact, the Germans were never able to bomb the factories that the Russians, pulled back into their massive land mass to any where near the extent that the Allies, bombed the Germans into rubble.

Also, the U.S. was the LEAST command and controlled of all warring parties during WW2. The major industrial giants, in the US got together with one of the few republicans on FDR's staff and work out war time production strategies. After WW2, these people, and their organization became known as the "military Industrial complex" of whom our president Eisenhower had great misgivings. I recently read a great book about how these people worked this out. It belongs to a friend of mine and I can't remember the title right now, but I could get the information for you if you would like.

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gclayjr wrote:Robin Hood,

Yes, but The Germans had the same thing!

Actually the US out produced all, by orders of magnitude. Some of which could probably be associated with the fact that were weren't bombed into the middle ages. In fact, the Germans were never able to bomb the factories that the Russians, pulled back into their massive land mass to any where near the extent that the Allies, bombed the Germans into rubble.

Also, the U.S. was the LEAST command and controlled of all warring parties during WW2. The major industrial giants, in the US got together with one of the few republicans on FDR's staff and work out war time production strategies. After WW2, these people, and their organization became known as the "military Industrial complex" of whom our president Eisenhower had great misgivings. I recently read a great book about how these people worked this out. It belongs to a friend of mine and I can't remember the title right now, but I could get the information for you if you would like.

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George Clay
The US was not invaded by hostile murderous forces.
20 million Russians died and whole cities were razed to the ground. The Russians call WWII the Great Patriotic War for good reason.
America has not yet had to fight such a war.

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Robin Hood,

I'm not sure the point you are making. It seems like you are restating that which I already stated. The bottom line is:

1) Both Germany and the Soviet Union were Command Economies (National Socialist vs. International Socialist)

2) Both Germany and the Soviet Union were massively destroyed, although Germany more than the Soviets... as bad as that was

3) U.S. Industry provided a large amount of war material to both Britain and the Soviet Union... Germany got virtually nothing

4) The U.S, which had the freest market both before the war, and during the war, of all countries engaged in the war, had manufacturing output during the war that vastly exceeded the production of any nation before the war, during the war, or after the war.


Based upon actual facts, how do you defend the idea that somehow the Communist command economy was the miracle balm that won the war for the Soviets?

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Of course US manufacturing output exceeded that of other countries, but I it wouldn't have if the US was being bombed and ransacked at the time.

Stalin was able to order the dismantling and removal of whole industrial regions and have them rebuilt on the other side of the Urals to keep them out of danger of falling into the hands of the invaders. This kind of activity was really only possible in a centrally planned and operated economy.

The US made a lot of money from the war and a lot of industrialists became filthy rich. By the end it had aquired two thirds of the world's gold in payment for it's supply of arms and food (yes food) to it's allies.

As we know, this kind of war will one day be visited upon the US homeland. I suspect it will struggle to cope until it adopts the same centrally planned command wartime economy which eventually delivered the Soviets from certain defeat, and gave them a stunning victory.
This will include the comendearing and nationalisation of whole industries, farms etc without compensation, in the national interest.

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Robin Hood,

Of course US manufacturing output exceeded that of other countries, but I it wouldn't have if the US was being bombed and ransacked at the time.

Stalin was able to order the dismantling and removal of whole industrial regions and have them rebuilt on the other side of the Urals to keep them out of danger of falling into the hands of the invaders. This kind of activity was really only possible in a centrally planned and operated economy.

The US made a lot of money from the war and a lot of industrialists became filthy rich. By the end it had aquired two thirds of the world's gold in payment for it's supply of arms and food (yes food) to it's allies.

As we know, this kind of war will one day be visited upon the US homeland. I suspect it will struggle to cope until it adopts the same centrally planned command wartime economy which eventually delivered the Soviets from certain defeat, and gave them a stunning victory.
This will include the comendearing and nationalisation of whole industries, farms etc without compensation, in the national interest.

The ability of Stalin to relocate his industries out of reach of the Germans had more to do with the size of the Soviet Union than the fact that it was Communist. The Germans would have still prevailed if it was simply a German vs. Soviet war. The fact that not only were the Germans fighting the Soviets, Britain and the U.S, but that the U. S. was providing most of those materials needed by both nations for the war just drifts past your logic.

You just take the typical Socialist view, and condemn the very Capitalism that accomplished that which you falsely attribute to to failed Soviet industry.

Luckily, not only do the Russians not speak German, but the British, don't speak German either, largely because of both the material, and military support of the U.S. and their filthy capitalist titans of industry, but I can see that as usual, one can wait until hell freezes over to see a whiff of gratitude.

Regards,

George Clay

P.S. By the way, during my career in manufacturing and automation, I participated in peacetime relocations of factories. Us filthy capitalists can do it pretty well, even without a war.

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