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AA-12 Fully Automatic Shotgun!!! I want two of these... this is incredible...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Anybody now about the usefulness of a Colt, cal. .32 semi-auto pistol? Does the round equal that of a .22 magnum?

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SkyBird wrote:AA-12 Fully Automatic Shotgun!!! I want two of these... this is incredible...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Is your shotgun like this one? Packing them around may not be easy over long distances as would be a pistol. But the Xtrema 2 is sweet.

Beretta Xtrema 2

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freedomforall wrote:
SkyBird wrote:AA-12 Fully Automatic Shotgun!!! I want two of these... this is incredible...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Is your shotgun like this one? Packing them around may not be easy over long distances as would be a pistol. But the Xtrema 2 is sweet.

Beretta Xtrema 2

That is cool... is the Bretta American made? Can it be submerged in water and then shoot without problems?

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Am I the only black rifle lover here? My 10.5" bbl 5.56 AR-15 is definitely my go-to weapon. Lightweight, accurate, enough power for game, ammo isn't horribly heavy.

I might consider swapping the upper for my 8" 300 BLK w/ suppressor. Supersonic ammo has quite a bit more punch and the subs going through a can are super quiet. The only drawback is the added weight of the ammo.

I can attest to jbalm's claim that him with a M1A is like me with a SBR AR-15. I would require a motorized vehicle for my M1A alone any longer than about 1 mile.

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Admittedly I don't know a lot about guns, but I'm just curious - why so much love for the Mossberg 500 and not the Remington 870?

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SkyBird wrote:
freedomforall wrote:
SkyBird wrote:AA-12 Fully Automatic Shotgun!!! I want two of these... this is incredible...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Is your shotgun like this one? Packing them around may not be easy over long distances as would be a pistol. But the Xtrema 2 is sweet.

Beretta Xtrema 2


That is cool... is the Bretta American made? Can it be submerged in water and then shoot without problems?
Pistols are American made, but I don't know about this fine piece.
I think there is a coating that can be applied for water resistance.

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I suppose this weapon could be dangerous to its owner.


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commonwealth, in answer to your question, a gunsmith demonstrated how the Remington won't cycle under certain conditions unless the butt is slammed down onto a flat surface. The Mossberg doesn't seem to have that problem. The gunsmith said a police department armorer said the same thing to him. I would imagine the adverse conditions would be too hot/ too dirty. That said, I would be happy with either one, although I have the Mossberg. My Mossberg can't be fitted with an extended magazine like the Remington can.

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Ruger .22lr and a bunch of ammo bricks. You could easily carry 2,000 rounds or more in a backpack. Don't underestimate the .22lr. That caliber has killed more people and animals than any other caliber in the world.

If not that, then an AK74. One could feasibly carry 500-700 rounds of 5.45 on their person. The AK74 is rugged and dependable. You could drag one on a rope behind an ATV for miles through rivers and woodlands, and that thing would probably still work when you picked it up.

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My choice would be the Colt LE 6920. I'm actually thinking about owning one. It's a military grade rifle civilians can get their hands on, the only thing not up to spec is the barrel length is a little longer. Other than that, you have what the U.S. military has been using for two decades I believe? (Don't quote me on the decades). I agree with Kurt, just throw in .223 ammo by the brick into a backpack, and you're oscar mike. .223 round are big enough to put a nice dent into anything. :D

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M1 Garand. It has kept America safe beforte & will again. I am young enough to still carry 250 rds in my go bag. I also keep an old m6 scout in my 72 hr kit. 22 Hornet over 410. For the quiet work.

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I would love to take my Rem 700 .308, but the weight... So my custom Ruger 10/22 with some bricks of Federal 36 Grain High Velocity Hollow points

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I have literally dozens of firearms, rifles, handguns, and shotguns, in just about any caliber you can name. Yes, my wife has threatened me more than once that if I come home with another weapon she is going to shoot me with it! Hasn't happened yet, so I'm still in the clear! :)

But to the question. If I was concerned with having to do both self defense along with hunting/providing food for my family with the one weapon it would have to be an AR platform in .223/5.56. Ammo is available just about anywhere; I can easily carry a couple of hundred rounds in six or seven magazines on my body without too much effort; it's a extremely reliable weapon that's easy to employ tactically; and I'm used to it after having carried one for the last almost 40 years.

That said, in my 72 hours kit I have a Ruger 10/22 Takedown model with a red dot sight and 600 rounds of ammo, and a 9MM Glock G19 with 90 rounds of ammo. My wife has a Ruger 10/22 (regular model with a Hogue stock) with a 3-9 power scope and 600 rounds of ammo, and a 9MM G26 Glock with 90 rounds of ammo in her 72 hour bag. Why? Because if we have to "grab and go" we can be out of the house within about 30 seconds with our bags (which are really about "30 day bags" packed in decent Molle style backpacks.

But since the question is "just one weapon", the Ruger 10/22 is just about the ultimate .22LR firearm out there, and has been for almost 50 years or so. You can take just about every small game animal with it, and a good shot can even take something as large as a white tail deer with one. And for personal defense, though it won't stop a bad guy as well as a .45 caliber pistol, AR/AK, or something bigger, a spray of 40 grain .22 caliber bullets flying around will keep someone's head down while you get away.

More importantly, any firearm is useless unless you can effectively shoot it. .22LR ammunition is just about as cheap as you can get (and in our region the shortage has disappeared and you can find bulk packs of .22LR just about anywhere) so you can practice, practice, practice without breaking the bank. .22LR is selling for about 6-7 cents a round,.223/5.56 ammo is about 29-30 cents a round at the cheapest. You can do the math.

But most importantly, and something everyone seems to forget, is that a.22LR rifle is quiet! When you are in a survival/evasion situation the last thing you want to do is advertise your presence/location to the bad guys. A good .22LR (not just the Ruger 10/22 but any number of good ones out there) can be employed for hunting or self defense almost silently. Gets the job done and doesn't give you away.

But whatever you have is BETTER THAN NOTHING! So carry on!

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Guns are like potato chips. You can't have just one.
I like everything I see.
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jbalm wrote:M1A. Scoped, bedded into a fiberglass stock. Some other tweaks. Sub-MOA with hand-loads and (for some reason) the Australian surplus ammo I bought.

I have many rifles. This is the one I always end up grabbing.

One and done.
Try firing that in an enclosure without hearing protection....

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dlbww wrote:I would choose the lever gun since handguns are a restricted weapon in many countries and could be soon in the USA. Semi-autos might find themselves on that same list and/or the number of rounds in a magazine could see further restrictions.
Don't let that stop you. Civil disobedience worked well for Rosa Parks. It is a time honored American tradition. Our idiot, tyrannical politicians need to be reminded who really is in charge. I think civil disobedience does that. It is like jury nullification.

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jonah4:4 wrote:This is very simple. In a hypothetical situation that requires you to quickly choose one rifle to provide for all your family's survival needs, which rifle would you choose? Also, what caliber, and a quick explanation of why this is your choice.

One condition. In this hypothetical situation, you have to carry ALL of the ammo yourself. You would be able to devise a carrying device for the ammo, but it can not be motorized.

I will also allow your choice to be a handgun, should you decide this is a better option.

In the spirit of this being a hypothetical situation, lets assume that price were no option, and ammo was readily available for your selection.
Ok I'll play along (within the context of your "hypothetical") with what Blackhawk Down (Mogadishu, Somalia) gave birth to - .458 SOCOM AR platform...everything from .30 caliber sabot round to .458 caliber and everything from 140 grain bullets to 300 grain frangible to 600 grain elephant stopper with tungsten carbide core....ranging from 700 fps to 3000+ fps

Mix and match your rounds to your magazines. From man hunting to truck stopping.

And of course if you need to you can keep an extra upper with .223/5.56 (of course in .223...as shoot .223 out of a 5.56 but its not advised to go the other way due to pressure differences), ...or whatever other caliber your heart desires (within some minor constraints - outside of the AR10 platform)...
Q) How many calibers can I get uppers that fit my .223 (AR-15) lower? What are they?
While the list is nearly endless with all the wildcats possible. Here are the some of the more common and more interesting uppers that are (or have been) produced for the standard AR-15 lower (may not be up-to-date):
223/5.56
6 x 45
7 x 40
357 Mag Rimless
300 Whisper / .300Fireball / 300-.221
6.5 x 40
.30 Coyote (30 x 45)
.17 Remington
.17 Mach IV
.20 Tactical
.19 Calhoun
5.7 FN (developed by Rhinland Arms - no word yet on who is going to mfg it)
.204 Ruger
6.8 SPC
30 HRT
338 Spectre
10 mm Mag
35/40
219 WASP-C
7.62 x 40
5.45x39
7.62 x 39
.338 x 39
6 PPC
6.5 Grendel / 6.5 AR / 6.5 PPC Improved
22 PPC
7 sCAR ....
30 Carbine
5.45x39 / .21 Ghengis
7 BR
6.5 BR
300 Sabre
8mm (belt fed upper)
.308 (again a belt fed upper - no longer available)
458 SOCOM
44 Mag
440 CorBon
44 AMP
.475 Tremor
50AE
499LW
50 Beowulf
.50 BMG (single shot)
.50 Blackpowder (1 made)
9mm
45ACP
32ACP
22 LR
17 HV
10mm
7.62x25
224 BoZ
7.62x24
9x23
.357 Sig
.357 Auto
40S&W
223 WSSM
243 WSSM
300 WSSM
.30 RAR
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How about this one. It's a little expensive, but if you only have one ...
http://www.guns.com/2015/07/02/ruger-in ... own-rifle/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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David13 wrote:How about this one. It's a little expensive, but if you only have one ...
http://www.guns.com/2015/07/02/ruger-in ... own-rifle/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
dc
Very nice...I'll take mine in .300 Black!

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I'd probably lean towards some type of AR platform. Lightweight, yet has enough power for any game in the Nebraska panhandle. Some sort of optic on it, but a look through mount would be a must. Ammo is light and plentiful and there is a virtual buffet of addons for them. Also a good defensive weapon if outdoors.

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I am going to offer a rather unique suggestion here. I would suggest a high powered air rifle as a possible choice, now stay with me here for a second. I would not own a gun with the intention of being able to hold off a marauding band of people hell bent on invading my home. While it is true you might kill one or two of such the fact is that if a couple of dozen people decide to invade your home there is nothing your going to do to stop it. So back to the air gun.

The modern high powered air rifle is perfectly capable of killing upland game bird and small game which would be more practical to presses for food in an emergency situation than larger game would be.

Air rifle ammunition, lead pellets, cost a tiny faction of standard rifle ammunition. A couple of hundred dollars would buy you a supply that would literally last a lifetime. You can buy a modern airgun in a wide range of calibers up to 9mm and over.

Even in countries with strict gun laws air gun are generally not regulated and buying even vast amounts of ammunition is unlikely to draw attention to ones self. Even in California buying an air rifle does not involved filling out any kind of government form.

Air guns are, compared to standard riles, silent, simple to work, safer and less likely to have mechanical issues.

Here is a website selling air guns up to 0.50 caliber, that a BIG air gun. http://www.pyramydair.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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This is Natascha, one of several AK47s I own. Customized by my own two hands, modernized by Arsenal Inc., and built from the ground up to be one of the finest weapons in the world. There is no finer combat weapon in the world for a disaster situation than this.

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Here's Natascha in action:

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