9/11 - Expose the Cover-up

[Army Of Truth]

What we need to remember is that just because our government is doing it, doesn't mean that it is morally right. Nor does it mean that anyone opposing what our government does is "anti-American". Did you ever think that maybe what the government is doing is anti-American? Remember, our allegiance is to the constitution of the United States, not to the Bush administration. Hence, that is why even Bush pledges to uphold the constitution. Anyone thinking that the Iraq War is constitutional, doesn't fully know the constitution, nor why we are in Iraq in the first place.

As more Americans conclude that the war was a mistake and should be ended, members of the Bush administration, including the president, have sought to shift the reason for the war. Original claims that Saddam was involved in the 9/11 attack, that he was working with bin Laden's al-Qaeda, and that he was planning to use weapons of mass destruction have all evaporated. Now the war is being fought, so we are told, to "wipe out terrorism" or "bring democracy to the Middle East". Where in the constitution is America obligated to do this?!? The tactics being employed have only resulted in increasing the number of terrorists, not only among massive numbers of Iraqis angry about the widespread destruction of their nation, but also among Muslims worldwide who view the American action as a war against their religion.

Everyone needs to remember that the Iraq War is an illegal, unconstitutional war that was started because of a lie, and is continuing because of more lies. So do we follow the Bush regime like sheeple just because it is the "American" thing to do? Or do we follow the constitution like true Americans always have and go against the lies, deceits, and manipulation of the Bush regime? The latter is not being anti-American, but a true American patriot.

Pakistan had more to do with 9/11 than Iraq did. So should the U.S. attack Pakistan next? After all they do have over 162 Billion muslims there and I'm sure we can find some muslims there connected to al-Qaeda in some way, shape, or form. And using the same justification the administration is now using for Iraq, shouldn't we wipe out the "terrorism" there too? Shouldn't we "bring democracy" there to help "bring them freedom" as well? What's next Saudi Arabia? ...oh, right, I forgot, they are further down the list. Iran and Syria are next of course.

...during times of war, freedoms tend to be crumpled a bit for a while - as happened with captain Moroni when dissenters got killed without trials during a time of war.

In response to the Captain Moroni reference, we need to remember that this war was not an illegal, unconstitutional, foreign attack on another country based on false pretense, but a complete defensive war against an attacking Lamanite army. Also remember that Moroni and his men did not line them up and shoot them in cold blooded fashion, but tried to "pull down their pride", yet only after the king-men refused and "did lift their weapons of war to fight against the men of Moroni" were they killed in self defense. Read these verses for yourselves in Alma 51:13, 17, 18 here:

13 And it came to pass that when the men who were called king-men had heard that the Lamanites were coming down to battle against them, they were glad in their hearts; and they refused to take up arms, for they were so wroth with the chief judge, and also with the people of liberty, that they would not take up arms to defend their country.
17 And it came to pass that Moroni commanded that his army should go against those king-men, to pull down their pride and their nobility and level them with the earth, or they should take up arms and support the cause of liberty.
18 And it came to pass that the armies did march forth against them; and they did pull down their pride and their nobility, insomuch that as they did lift their weapons of war to fight against the men of Moroni they were hewn down and leveled to the earth.

I can guarantee you this, if Iraq truly did gather an army and attack the U.S. on our soil, there would not be one soul who would, nor should, object this war as this is a true war protecting, as Moroni puts it, "our God, religion, freedom, our peace, our wives, and our children." This is in stark contrast to our current quagmire in Iraq.

Anyone thinking that "crumpling our freedoms" is a good thing needs to do more research on how our nation was founded and why we made our Constitution for this country in the first place. This quote by one of our founding fathers Benjamin Franklin states this clearly:

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

[buffalo_girl]

Couldn’t help attempting to follow your discussion and many observations on WTC 9-11 events. We have each become a bit more conscious of the world in which we live as a consequence of events on that particular day.

One of the greatest blessings we have available to us is the power of discernment; to utilize the spirit of prophecy to discern between right and wrong and between truth and error. There is a subtlety in the latter phrase.

This spirit of prophecy can provide personal revelation to help us determine good from evil in a world intentionally obscured with whited sepulchers, mists of darkness, great and spacious buildings filled with people in the attitude of mocking and even ‘spirits of devils, working miracles (Rev. 16:14)’.

“For behold, the Spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil; wherefore, I show unto you the way to judge; for every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God.” Moroni 7:16

We are admonished to
‘be instructed more perfectly in theory, in principle, in doctrine, in the law of the gospel, in all things that pertain unto the kingdom of God, that are expedient for you to understand; Of things both in heaven and in the earth, and under the earth; things which have been, things which are, things which must shortly come to pass; things which are at home, things which are abroad; the wars and the perplexities of the nations, and the judgments which are on the land; and a knowledge also of countries and of kingdoms—That ye may be prepared in all things when I shall send you again to magnify the calling whereunto I have called you, and the mission with which I have commissioned you.’ D&C 88:78-80

From these scriptures I am prompted to ask:

* Has political policy – domestic and/or foreign - subsequent to 9-11 events invited our nation to do good and to persuade a belief in Christ?

* Are our national ‘chief captains and judges’ endowed with the spirit of revelation and prophecy; as were Gidgiddoni and the Nephite chief judge (3 Nephi 3:19-21) who refused to lead the frightened Nephites into a pre-emptive assault on the Gadianton robbers ‘in their own lands’?

“But Gidgiddoni saith unto them: The Lord forbid; for if we should go up against them the Lord would deliver us into their hands; therefore we will prepare ourselves in the center of our lands, and we will gather all our armies together and we will not go against them, but we will wait till they shall come against us; therefore as the Lord liveth, if we do this he will deliver them into our hands.”

Know this: Those who would destroy our freedom have no conscience, they have and will use any means to insure their control over the earth’s resources and over all humankind. Theirs is an absolute contempt for those they consider beneath them. They view themselves as the elite. They tout our moral laws to manipulate us into believing they abide by those moral laws. Use Moroni 7:16 to measure what men DO over what men say.

One last word: The ‘elite’ use a method called ‘the dialectic’.

In one manifestation of this trick the common people’s freedom of choice is confined to just two narrow points of view. The content of each - along with the public figures that represent these ‘points of view’ - is controlled with the use of catch phrases, labels, buzz words, talking points, press releases, photo ops, etc . Highly emotional aspects are attached to each choice. Instead of questioning the fact that these two choices placed before us are shallow – no choice at all, really - we are whacking each other Punch & Judy style while the entire nation is being looted in broad daylight by those who set us up.

There are a few other tricks used to derail and to neutralize our attempts to bring truth into the open. The following link describes one such technique:

[url]http://www.learn-usa.com/transformation ... acf001.htm

[SwissMrs&Pitchfire]

Welcome to the forum. It looks like yours will be a valuable addition here. It is good to see this place growing. I hope you (and all of the other members) will stick around and post often!

[Swmorgan77]

Amen, brother. I was all for the Iraq War. I voted for Bush in 2000. I listened to Rush Limbaugh all the time. I was even a delegate for the Republican Party. Then a short time after the Iraq War (sometime in summer of 2003) I heard Condi rice say something like, "We need to learn everything we can about that day (9/11) so that nothing like that can ever happen again." So I did. Oops. I learned too much.

FYI, a lot of other good videos: (I have bought and watched multiple times every video on 9/11)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_consp ... s#Videos_2

LOL very similar to my story, or than the delegate part.

[WYp8riot]

Being familiar and somewhat versed regarding the enemy within and having studied information sources outside of those controlled by the financial cartels that own and influence the media I was imediate suspect of the enemy within that day when I was interupted at work by the foreman of what was happening on TV.

Understanding exactly who was involved and what role through ignorance or intention officials in government had can be argued forever but it will not change the VERY REAL FACT THAT THERE IS AN ENEMY WITHIN influenced by SATAN that seeks to destroy the freedom of all.

[Army Of Truth]

“Concerning the United States, the Lord revealed to His prophets that its greatest threat would be a vast worldwide secret combination, which would not only threaten the United States, but also seek to overthrow the freedom of all lands and nations.” – Ezra Taft Benson, General Conference October 1961

[WYp8riot]

Excellent perspective of 9/11 events.


http://www.freedom-force.org/freedomcon ... age=issues

[Swmorgan77]

It is clear the building 7 WAS damaged, and the more informed and responsible controlled demolition advocates DO make note of that fact. It is unfortunate that many feel the need to to claim "no damage" or "little damage" to support the controlled demolition hypothesis because it is not necessary.

People in the so-called 9/11 truth movement need to learn that when you exhaggerate or vary from the facts out of a need to strengthen the presentation of your case, you open yourself up in a way that is not necessary and you damage the crediblity of all of us.

The NATURE of the damage to building 7(being concentraded at the lower end of the side nearest to the towers), as well as the asymmetrical nature of building 7's support structure both argue AGAINST the type of symmetrical collapse that we saw with building 7. As Dr. Jones points out, one would expect a collapse in the direction of the damage as happens often in natural (non-demoltition) collapses where one part of a structure is weakened more than the rest.

A fire just simply is not going to destroy support columns in such an even and simultaneous way as to bring the building down in that fashion or at that speed.

Look at the sections of the Madrid building that burned for over 24 hours with a fire well-fueled with oxygen. Bits and parts at the top were collapsing piecemeal, and the steel frame structure remained intact.

BTW, here is a link to a powerpoint/video I made on the subject. It is pretty exhaustive and non-speculative. I have sold about 60 of these nationwide at bare shipping costs, and I have gotten a lot of feedback from people that this it the film they are most comfortable giving to friends initially. I also got a very good review and request for several copies from Ted Gunderson's office.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... oincidence

High-res version suitable for authoring DVD:

http://www.utah911truth.com/9-11_Coincidence_theory.wmv

[Swmorgan77]

Couldn’t help attempting to follow your discussion and many observations on WTC 9-11 events. We have each become a bit more conscious of the world in which we live as a consequence of events on that particular day.

One of the greatest blessings we have available to us is the power of discernment; to utilize the spirit of prophecy to discern between right and wrong and between truth and error. There is a subtlety in the latter phrase.

This spirit of prophecy can provide personal revelation to help us determine good from evil in a world intentionally obscured with whited sepulchers, mists of darkness, great and spacious buildings filled with people in the attitude of mocking and even ‘spirits of devils, working miracles (Rev. 16:14)’.

“For behold, the Spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil; wherefore, I show unto you the way to judge; for every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God.” Moroni 7:16

We are admonished to
‘be instructed more perfectly in theory, in principle, in doctrine, in the law of the gospel, in all things that pertain unto the kingdom of God, that are expedient for you to understand; Of things both in heaven and in the earth, and under the earth; things which have been, things which are, things which must shortly come to pass; things which are at home, things which are abroad; the wars and the perplexities of the nations, and the judgments which are on the land; and a knowledge also of countries and of kingdoms—That ye may be prepared in all things when I shall send you again to magnify the calling whereunto I have called you, and the mission with which I have commissioned you.’ D&C 88:78-80

From these scriptures I am prompted to ask:

* Has political policy – domestic and/or foreign - subsequent to 9-11 events invited our nation to do good and to persuade a belief in Christ?

* Are our national ‘chief captains and judges’ endowed with the spirit of revelation and prophecy; as were Gidgiddoni and the Nephite chief judge (3 Nephi 3:19-21) who refused to lead the frightened Nephites into a pre-emptive assault on the Gadianton robbers ‘in their own lands’?

“But Gidgiddoni saith unto them: The Lord forbid; for if we should go up against them the Lord would deliver us into their hands; therefore we will prepare ourselves in the center of our lands, and we will gather all our armies together and we will not go against them, but we will wait till they shall come against us; therefore as the Lord liveth, if we do this he will deliver them into our hands.”

Know this: Those who would destroy our freedom have no conscience, they have and will use any means to insure their control over the earth’s resources and over all humankind. Theirs is an absolute contempt for those they consider beneath them. They view themselves as the elite. They tout our moral laws to manipulate us into believing they abide by those moral laws. Use Moroni 7:16 to measure what men DO over what men say.

One last word: The ‘elite’ use a method called ‘the dialectic’.

In one manifestation of this trick the common people’s freedom of choice is confined to just two narrow points of view. The content of each - along with the public figures that represent these ‘points of view’ - is controlled with the use of catch phrases, labels, buzz words, talking points, press releases, photo ops, etc . Highly emotional aspects are attached to each choice. Instead of questioning the fact that these two choices placed before us are shallow – no choice at all, really - we are whacking each other Punch & Judy style while the entire nation is being looted in broad daylight by those who set us up.

There are a few other tricks used to derail and to neutralize our attempts to bring truth into the open. The following link describes one such technique:

[url]http://www.learn-usa.com/transformation ... acf001.htm

Good points. You know there are two forumulae for security. There is the Lord's promise of assistance and protection, and the commandments that that protection is contingent upon and then there is the world's formula which is essentially one of idolotry.

President Kimball described it very well when he said, with prophetic relevance to our time:

"in all ages when men have fallen under the power of Satan and lost the faith, they have put in its place a hope in the "arm of flesh" and in "gods of silver, and gold, of brass, iron, wood, and stone, which see not, nor hear, nor know" (Daniel 5:23) -- that is, in idols....Whatever thing a man sets his heart and his trust in most is his god; and if his god doesn't also happen to be the true and living God of Israel, that man is laboring in idolatry....

We are a warlike people, easily distracted from our assignment of preparing for the coming of the Lord. When enemies rise up, we commit vast resources to the fabrication of gods of stone and steel -- ships, planes, missiles, fortifications -- and depend on them for protection and deliverance. When threatened, we become antienemy instead of pro-kingdom of God; we train a man in the art of war and call him a patriot, thus, in the manner of Satan's counterfeit of true patriotism, perverting the Savior's teaching"

How many times did Moroni defy conventional military wisdom in order to wage a defensive war of fortification, and to cease the "work of death" as soon as possible and make a covenant of peace (even when Zarahemna admitted he would break it)?

He did these things because they entitled the Nephites to the assistance and protection of the Lord, without which he knew they would be doomed.

We have the promise of the very same assistance as inhabitants of this land, and indeed that assistance was manifest on many occasions. Most notably during the war of 1812 where the British forces, having occupied the capital of Washington D.C. were beset by both a Hurracaine AND a tornado in the same night which devestated their forces. Also, at the battle of New Orleans where fog severely decreased the the visiblity for the British but lifted just in time for Jackson's militia to see and fire upon them and with the winds that blew British crossing vessels downstream and made it impossible for them to mass a significant force to advance with.

This assistance is contingent upon the same things that it was contingent upon in Moroni's time. We must serve the God of the land, Jesus Christ, hold to the inspired laws that he gave us (the Constitution D&C 98 ) and trust in the Lord rather than in the idolotrous "arm of the flesh".

[ShawnC]

Thank you Swmorgan77, this is exactly the type of wisdom I have been looking for. Well stated.