Evan McMullin

[OCDMOM]

Evan McMullin is doing good in the Utah polls. What are the good and the bad on this guy?

[Original_Intent]

ex-CIA, pro war neoconservative who was an investment banker for Goldman Sachs. Being used as a pawn by Bill Kristol and other neocons to try to stop Trump - who I also don't support, but he is the most anti war candidate and the neocons can;t have that. They'd far prefer Hillary, which si why the mass defections from Trump. The 11-year old tape of Trump being a jerk was a convenient pretext to turn on him.

Again, I'm neverTrump and neverHillary - but the media and all the powers that be sure seem to oppose Trump. And McMuffin is just their latest attempt to stop him.

Article that I think fairly compares him with Darrel Castle. https://neverhillarytrump.wordpress.com ... -mcmullin/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[kennyhs]

ex-CIA, pro war neoconservative who was an investment banker for Goldman Sachs. Being used as a pawn by Bill Kristol and other neocons to try to stop Trump - who I also don't support, but he is the most anti war candidate and the neocons can;t have that. They'd far prefer Hillary, which si why the mass defections from Trump. The 11-year old tape of Trump being a jerk was a convenient pretext to turn on him.

Again, I'm neverTrump and neverHillary - but the media and all the powers that be sure seem to oppose Trump. And McMuffin is just their latest attempt to stop him.

Article that I think fairly compares him with Darrel Castle. https://neverhillarytrump.wordpress.com ... -mcmullin/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Right on OI! I have read the same thing, he is an imposter.

[rewcox]

The imposter is Trump. Wow, the conspiracy theories we weave.

[kennyhs]

The imposter is Trump. Wow, the conspiracy theories we weave.

Phooey ballooey rewcox!!

[larsenb]

McMullin is also a member of the CFR, which is a semi-public front for a secret society.

Here is an article (among several) on him from Breitbart that traces the organizations and money behind him: : http://www.breitbart.com/2016-president ... es-for-un/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

These groups are associated with the Never Trumpers, and Mitt Romney is probably very much in support of McMuffin.

The Deseret News has twice, at my latest counting, said Evan has admitted that his main purpose for running is to help throw the election into the House. Of course, the higher probability is that votes going to him would simply help Hillary be elected.

He is quoted by the Deseret News in this morning's edition (which is puffing and supporting him) as saying only 52% of Utahns have even heard about him. He has wanted to debate Gary Johnson (according to the same Deseret News article), but Gary Johnson "doesn't see the point" (quoting DesNews), and Gary says: "A debate among third-party candidates would really be to ride my coattails at this point", noting he is on the ballot in all 50 states, while McMullin's name appears on just 11.

You are throwing your vote away to vote for him, mainly because he is a neocon/establishment type. But if you normally vote Republican and still vote for him, you are in effect voting for Hillary. No offense. That's just the way it is.

Only the Deseret News is excited by him . . . which is a real eyeopener for me regarding where they are coming from.

[ebenezerarise]

I attended his town hall. Can't find much wrong with what he said. But I do find a lot to be suspicious about what I hear here and the sources you are citing. Frankly, I don't believe there is a candidate anyone can put forward that you can like. This guy looks real to me and I feel much better about him than anyone else running at this point. And not because the D-News or anyone else said so.

[mes5464]

Someone on Facebook pointed out that he is single. I find that troubling.

[ason123]

Evan McMullin is doing good in the Utah polls. What are the good and the bad on this guy?

A lot of people like him, but I don't trust the CFR, Goldman Sachs, CIA etc. background ... regardless of whether or not he is a Mormon. Interesting that he is single too. He isn't so ugly...lol. But anyway, I just don't know if he is bought out by some billionaire. Nope, my gut feeling says no.

[SmallFarm]

ex-CIA, pro war neoconservative who was an investment banker for Goldman Sachs. Being used as a pawn by Bill Kristol and other neocons to try to stop Trump - who I also don't support, but he is the most anti war candidate and the neocons can;t have that. They'd far prefer Hillary, which si why the mass defections from Trump. The 11-year old tape of Trump being a jerk was a convenient pretext to turn on him.

Again, I'm neverTrump and neverHillary - but the media and all the powers that be sure seem to oppose Trump. And McMuffin is just their latest attempt to stop him.

Article that I think fairly compares him with Darrel Castle. https://neverhillarytrump.wordpress.com ... -mcmullin/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well... they at least want it to appear that way... ;)

[2EstablishZion]

I agree Smallfarm, so much deception it is impossible to know how deep the rabbit hole goes.

I will say the GOP has spent $0 advertising for Trump compared to $42 million they spent on Romney. The 11 year old tape that suddenly is the focus of all the media attention. The "3 on 1" debates"...they have propaganda down pretty well at this point, and I would bet they are expecting 80+% success with the average American rather than trying to deceive with a "anybody but Trump" (but they really want him) approach.

[Sandinista]

Do you people really believe everything some right wing, disenfranchised, hate monger spews out? Really? I don't like either Trump or Hillary, but now to turn on the next victim (McMullin) is laughable.

So let's put this in perspective. McMullin is not a member of the CFR. Goldman Sachs (whom he used to work for) is a Corporate member. I used to work for Lockheed Martin, which also is a corporate member. Does that mean I am a member of the CFR? Here's the link to individual members of the CFR.

http://www.cfr.org/about/membership/roster.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And a link to the corporate members of the CFR.

http://www.cfr.org/about/corporate/roster.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

Using that criteria I bet you didn't know that some of you on this forum are "members" of the CFR!

So he worked for the CIA. Does that automatically mean he is a bad guy? I've know and worked with several people who are current and former CIA employees. They are also Stake Presidents, Bishops, fathers, husbands, and yes, patriots who firmly believe in the rule of law and the Constitution. I also have a son who is a FBI agent for you people who hate the FBI. He's a great guy, and also a real patriot.

So he worked for Goldman Sachs. There are lots of people who have worked for major banks and financial institutions. Are all of them evil "Gadiantons"? Of course not. In fact if you take the time to listen to him he speaks very clearly of the "education" he got while working at Goldman Sachs, and why he left their employ.

He is a graduate of the Wharton School. Pretty impressive. But does that mean that everyone who has an MBA from Wharton, or any degree from the University of Pennsylvania - it's parent organization, is a communist/socialist/whatever? Of course not. He should be lauded for meeting the high standard for entry into their program and congratulated for his successful completion of the degree.

Oh, and of course he is "single" so we shouldn't trust him. He is 40, after all, and there must be something wrong with him if he isn't married. Of course there was nothing wrong with Steve Young, who didn't get married until he was around 40. But that's okay because he played football. Or Sheri Dew, who was a General Authority, and still isn't married.

So come on guys. If you do not like what he says or the positions he takes then fine. But to attack someone for the things that are listed in this post, and that anyone can post in an on-line "newspaper", doesn't do anyone any good. Stick to the issues. We certainly have enough of those to banter about.

[shadow]

Wo, wo, wo! There's plenty wrong with Steve Young.

I don't like that he's fine with gay marriage and that he wouldn't choose a SCOTUS replacement on wether or not they disapprove of gay marriage. He wants to improve Obamacare, not repeal it. I'm sure he's a decent fairly young 40 yr old, and he's better than the two nominees we already have, but I kinda think he's a tool used to take votes from Trump.

[larsenb]

Do you people really believe everything some right wing, disenfranchised, hate monger spews out? Really? I don't like either Trump or Hillary, but now to turn on the next victim (McMullin) is laughable.

So let's put this in perspective. McMullin is not a member of the CFR. Goldman Sachs (whom he used to work for) is a Corporate member. I used to work for Lockheed Martin, which also is a corporate member. Does that mean I am a member of the CFR? Here's the link to individual members of the CFR.

http://www.cfr.org/about/membership/roster.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And a link to the corporate members of the CFR.

http://www.cfr.org/about/corporate/roster.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

Using that criteria I bet you didn't know that some of you on this forum are "members" of the CFR!

So he worked for the CIA. Does that automatically mean he is a bad guy? I've know and worked with several people who are current and former CIA employees. They are also Stake Presidents, Bishops, fathers, husbands, and yes, patriots who firmly believe in the rule of law and the Constitution. I also have a son who is a FBI agent for you people who hate the FBI. He's a great guy, and also a real patriot.

So he worked for Goldman Sachs. There are lots of people who have worked for major banks and financial institutions. Are all of them evil "Gadiantons"? Of course not. In fact if you take the time to listen to him he speaks very clearly of the "education" he got while working at Goldman Sachs, and why he left their employ.

He is a graduate of the Wharton School. Pretty impressive. But does that mean that everyone who has an MBA from Wharton, or any degree from the University of Pennsylvania - it's parent organization, is a communist/socialist/whatever? Of course not. He should be lauded for meeting the high standard for entry into their program and congratulated for his successful completion of the degree.

Oh, and of course he is "single" so we shouldn't trust him. He is 40, after all, and there must be something wrong with him if he isn't married. Of course there was nothing wrong with Steve Young, who didn't get married until he was around 40. But that's okay because he played football. Or Sheri Dew, who was a General Authority, and still isn't married.

So come on guys. If you do not like what he says or the positions he takes then fine. But to attack someone for the things that are listed in this post, and that anyone can post in an on-line "newspaper", doesn't do anyone any good. Stick to the issues. We certainly have enough of those to banter about.

Trump's a graduate of the Wharton School of Business, as well, BTW.

I'm currently doing working with a man who was a genuine CIA spook. His opinion of CIA isn't very high, BTW. I was almost hired by them. Interviewed twice in DC, vetted, then 4 months later, got a rejection letter; which I'm currently glad happened. I read about 12 books about them, when being considered for employment.

CIA isn't a big dis-recommendation against McMullin, in my view; but is a bit troubling. I think it's a mixed bag with CIA, with them definitely having a dark side to some of what they do.

The bottom line for me, is that McMullin's stated goal is simply to take enough Utah votes (and as many other votes as he can get) away from Trump to move the election into the House. This statement has been affirmed twice in the Deseret News. Why would they lie?? ;)

He is clearly (read the Breitbart article and several others found there on this issue) a tool to help prevent Trump from being elected. But for the naive who don't understand this and are life-long Republicans, voting for him will simply and essentially give Hillary more votes. McMullin will then be playing the same role, in a minor way, that Teddy Roosevelt played in the 1912 presidential election.

Ask yourself, Sandinista, how often do any MSM outlets stick to the issues that Trump represents, especially without misleading and sensational spin? I'm not aware of hardly any coverage of Trump that just sticks to the issues he stands for and is trying to go public with.

[davedan]

McMullin is CIA/Goldman Sachs/CFR member. He is pro-TPP and says same-gender marriage is "settled law".

[larsenb]

. . . . He is pro-TPP and says same-gender marriage is "settled law".

Any citation for this? I think I've at least heard about his pro-TPP stance.

[davedan]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=McMullin+same-sex+ ... ettled+law" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/indep ... -move-on-f" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/video ... dman-sachs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[larsenb]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=McMullin+same-sex+ ... ettled+law



https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/indep ... -move-on-f" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/video ... dman-sachs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks! I'll take a look at these.

[larsenb]

Another quote about McMullin's views from this morning's Deseret News article on the man . . . in their attempt to give him credibility and coverage, trying to make more than 48% of Utahns aware of him.

"he would send in special forces to take down President Bashar al-Assad in Syria".

This alone is a disqualifying position for being president in my view. We, as a country, have no business doing such things. He is an arrogant individual, who's 9 years as a CIA case officer has warped his judgement. His own admission is that his primary business in CIA was to identify 'terrorists' so they could be killed. Not exactly a General Moroni-type attitude and occupation.

The fact remains, for Utahns who normally vote for a Republican candidate to throw their vote away on this man, they are effectively voting for Hillary. In the same manner as those who voted for Teddy in 1912 helped Wilson get in, who enabled passage of Federal Reserve, income tax amendment and getting us into WW I . Hillary will do similar things and maybe even worse.

[shadow]

Evan sure made it hard to find any info on him other than what's on his website. However, I found out his mom us a democrat. Has anyone found anything about him other than what his website echo chambers are publishing?

[EmmaLee]

Evan McMullin has been endorsed by UK Politician Louise Mensch who previously advised Hillary Clinton. Not only has she been a long time supporter of Hillary, now she suddenly jumped ship and supports Evan with interviews. Take a look at her email to Hillary.

https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5740" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_McMu ... dorsements" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status ... wsrc%5Etfw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Watch her lie like Hillary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUncR43aDZo&t=51s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Mensch" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[larsenb]

Evan sure made it hard to find any info on him other than what's on his website. However, I found out his mom us a democrat. Has anyone found anything about him other than what his website echo chambers are publishing?

Everything I've learned about McMullin comes from the DesNews and Breitbart, who traced the organizations/money behind hm (plus one interview he gave, and commentary on the interview).

The DesNews has TWICE claimed that Evan has said the sole reason he is running is to try to force the election into the House. The Deseret News are by far the biggest supporters of the man.

In one of their recent articles they have McMullin admitting that 52% of Utahns have never heard of him.

I believe what the Deseret News says about his primary motivation. He is basically an anti-Trump ploy . . . nothing more. Could he segue this current Presidential run into something more significant? Probably. But he will never garner my support.

[sushi_chef]

he mentioned freedom, freedom is kinda masonic term....

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/who-is ... candidate/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


yes, he, Bashar al-Assad must be a Masonic Operative...


https://monica23881.wordpress.com/2014/ ... operative/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
bashar assad freemason
http://search.yahoo.co.jp/search?ei=UTF ... 0freemason" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2088.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
:-B

[Sandinista]

Do you people really believe everything some right wing, disenfranchised, hate monger spews out? Really? I don't like either Trump or Hillary, but now to turn on the next victim (McMullin) is laughable.

So let's put this in perspective. McMullin is not a member of the CFR. Goldman Sachs (whom he used to work for) is a Corporate member. I used to work for Lockheed Martin, which also is a corporate member. Does that mean I am a member of the CFR? Here's the link to individual members of the CFR.

http://www.cfr.org/about/membership/roster.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And a link to the corporate members of the CFR.

http://www.cfr.org/about/corporate/roster.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

Using that criteria I bet you didn't know that some of you on this forum are "members" of the CFR!

So he worked for the CIA. Does that automatically mean he is a bad guy? I've know and worked with several people who are current and former CIA employees. They are also Stake Presidents, Bishops, fathers, husbands, and yes, patriots who firmly believe in the rule of law and the Constitution. I also have a son who is a FBI agent for you people who hate the FBI. He's a great guy, and also a real patriot.

So he worked for Goldman Sachs. There are lots of people who have worked for major banks and financial institutions. Are all of them evil "Gadiantons"? Of course not. In fact if you take the time to listen to him he speaks very clearly of the "education" he got while working at Goldman Sachs, and why he left their employ.

He is a graduate of the Wharton School. Pretty impressive. But does that mean that everyone who has an MBA from Wharton, or any degree from the University of Pennsylvania - it's parent organization, is a communist/socialist/whatever? Of course not. He should be lauded for meeting the high standard for entry into their program and congratulated for his successful completion of the degree.

Oh, and of course he is "single" so we shouldn't trust him. He is 40, after all, and there must be something wrong with him if he isn't married. Of course there was nothing wrong with Steve Young, who didn't get married until he was around 40. But that's okay because he played football. Or Sheri Dew, who was a General Authority, and still isn't married.

So come on guys. If you do not like what he says or the positions he takes then fine. But to attack someone for the things that are listed in this post, and that anyone can post in an on-line "newspaper", doesn't do anyone any good. Stick to the issues. We certainly have enough of those to banter about.

Trump's a graduate of the Wharton School of Business, as well, BTW.

I'm currently doing working with a man who was a genuine CIA spook. His opinion of CIA isn't very high, BTW. I was almost hired by them. Interviewed twice in DC, vetted, then 4 months later, got a rejection letter; which I'm currently glad happened. I read about 12 books about them, when being considered for employment.

CIA isn't a big dis-recommendation against McMullin, in my view; but is a bit troubling. I think it's a mixed bag with CIA, with them definitely having a dark side to some of what they do.

The bottom line for me, is that McMullin's stated goal is simply to take enough Utah votes (and as many other votes as he can get) away from Trump to move the election into the House. This statement has been affirmed twice in the Deseret News. Why would they lie?? ;)

He is clearly (read the Breitbart article and several others found there on this issue) a tool to help prevent Trump from being elected. But for the naive who don't understand this and are life-long Republicans, voting for him will simply and essentially give Hillary more votes. McMullin will then be playing the same role, in a minor way, that Teddy Roosevelt played in the 1912 presidential election.

Ask yourself, Sandinista, how often do any MSM outlets stick to the issues that Trump represents, especially without misleading and sensational spin? I'm not aware of hardly any coverage of Trump that just sticks to the issues he stands for and is trying to go public with.

I'm not disagreeing with anything you said. And notice I did not say I was supporting him (McMUllin). My point is simply that people need to stick to the facts. And the facts are that he not a member of the CFR. In spite of anyone's personal feelings about the CIA or working for the CIA, it is still a legitimate government agency and just because someone worked for them does not make them a bad person. Working for Goldman Sachs also does not make him an evil person any more than the tens of thousands of other people who work for Goldman Sachs are evil people. And just because he is 40 and may not be married again does not make him a bad person.

I'm also not denying he is make statements about what his potential path the through the election may be. Even if he is successful in taking Utah, and "big if" that is enough to force the election into the House, I'm not sure he has the support to carry him all the way through a House election to the White House.

Whether he is just throwing the election to the Democrats and Hillary; we'll have to wait and see but that may happen. If it does then we will be in for a very interesting time. Though Trump has some ideas that resonate with people who are fed up with how our nation has changed over the past decades electing him will also be very interesting. In my opinion he is just as dangerous as Clinton, albeit in different ways. Either of the two major party candidates, in my view, is a disaster. And there isn't a viable path to the presidency of any of the third party candidates, no matter want they say. So we are stuck with disaster no matter who wins, again in my opinion.

My personal feeling is that we are so far down this path we are on that turning it around may be impossible at this point. As it tells us in Mosiah 29:27, when the voice of the people chose iniquity we are ripe for destruction. And though there are some out there that are trying to chose good, moral, people to lead our nation I think the overall "voice" of our nation has made their choice. It is evident in our culture, entertainment, pocketbook, politics, schools, and any number of other areas. We have definitely chosen iniquity and now it is just a matter of time before the Lord's promises are fulfilled.

[iWriteStuff]

My personal feeling is that we are so far down this path we are on that turning it around may be impossible at this point. As it tells us in Mosiah 29:27, when the voice of the people chose iniquity we are ripe for destruction. And though there are some out there that are trying to chose good, moral, people to lead our nation I think the overall "voice" of our nation has made their choice. It is evident in our culture, entertainment, pocketbook, politics, schools, and any number of other areas. We have definitely chosen iniquity and now it is just a matter of time before the Lord's promises are fulfilled.

Funny story: larsenb had me thinking back on some of the Nibley books I read over the last few years. This quote sticks out in reference to your thoughts above:

On the last night of a play the whole cast and stage crew stay in the theater until the small or not-so-small hours of the morning, striking the old set. If there is to be a new opening soon, as the economy of the theater requires, it is important that the new set should be in place and ready for the opening night; all the while the old set was finishing its usefulness and then being taken down, the new set was rising in splendor to be ready for the drama that would immediately follow. So it is with this world. It is not our business to tear down the old set—the agencies that do that are already hard at work and very efficient; the set is coming down all around us with spectacular effect. Our business is to see to it that the new set is well on the way for what is to come—and that means a different kind of politics, beyond the scope of the tragedy that is now playing its closing night. We are preparing for the establishment of Zion.

Hugh Nibley, Beyond Politics

I truly feel we are approaching the "closing night", and a vote for either party contributes to our destruction in a grand Shiz vs. Coriantumr manner. Whether Mr. McMullin is an outlet or an epitaph for the Republican Party makes no difference. It's coming down all the same.