Waking Up To Secret Combinations

For discussion of secret combinations (political, economic, spiritual, religious, etc.) (Ether 8:18-25.)
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lundbaek wrote: March 15th, 2017, 6:17 pm I believe that when President Benson said, in the October 1987 General Conference, that "A secret combination that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world." he was warning us of a single conspiracy to alter the American government and make it over into a socialist dictatorship, to gain control over the governments, resources, and wealth of all nations. and to bring all nations under a single, centralized, socialist world government. "A secret combination" means to me a single conspiracy, although that conspiracy is, as I see it, operating in various theaters and in various ways to create strong regional governments like the planned North American Union, the European Union, an African Union is in the planning, as is a Mid-East and Far-East Union, the idea, as I understand, being to eventually federate all the regional unions into a single union. And if I understand Revelation 13:7 correctly, at some point the conspirators will have "power...over all kindreds, tongues, and nations for a period of time, apparently 3,5 years.

I think some of you may have more and better insights into this than I have, so please let's hear from you.
Is the NWO one of the referenced "beasts" in Revelation?

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I can't believe in all these posts about secret combinations that NOBODY has mentioned the evil corporation Monsanto. These people in the name of GMO's are saying one thing "oh we are trying to feed the world in a more efficient way" but in reality they are killing people. One of the biggest backers of Monsanto is Bill Gates (along with George Soros). You know they are both eugenicist's and they are on the record many times saying that the world population needs to be decreased by 5 BILLION people! As of the end of 2015 36 countries have BANNED GMO's. Why is the U.S. holding on for dear life? Cough Bill, George oh and Hillary was supported by Monsanto.

Must read articles; the last includes a letter from a dying EPA scientist who is trying to expose things on Monsanto.

http://www.naturalnews.com/054899_eugen ... Gates.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/035105_bill_ ... enics.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-03-15-h ... osate.html

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I don't think of the NWO as a government but rather as the program of world governance that Satan & Co. plan to impose on the world.

I think Monsanto is just one of a number of companies that are in cahoots with Satan & Co. My professional life was largely divided between 2 major companies, General Electric and Honeywell. Both of these companies have farmed out a lot of their manufacturing to other countries ostensibly to save on manufacturing costs, but also because buyers in other countries often insist that a certain % of manufacture of a product occur in their country or within the European Union. And I have considered the possibility that such companies are pressured to farm out work to other countries purposely to damage America' manufacturing industry and throw American out of work, although I cannot prove that; only that it is having that effect.

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lundbaek wrote: March 16th, 2017, 11:02 am I don't think of the NWO as a government but rather as the program of world governance that Satan & Co. plan to impose on the world.

I think Monsanto is just one of a number of companies that are in cahoots with Satan & Co. My professional life was largely divided between 2 major companies, General Electric and Honeywell. Both of these companies have farmed out a lot of their manufacturing to other countries ostensibly to save on manufacturing costs, but also because buyers in other countries often insist that a certain % of manufacture of a product occur in their country or within the European Union. And I have considered the possibility that such companies are pressured to farm out work to other countries purposely to damage America' manufacturing industry and throw American out of work, although I cannot prove that; only that it is having that effect.
I feel sorrow and trepidation for my grand-kids. I'm nearly 70 and may not have to experience the depth of what calamities and destruction will bring as they. Probably for children as well all being in their forties. And I would imagine, Lundbaek, that you are just a little more seasoned than I. I could be wrong, though. Nevertheless, we are faced with some real trying times that even we may find horrific. With threats to freedom within our borders and the NWO predominately from without pushing in, we're in for an increasingly bumpy ride.

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We're wrapping up the fun (bread and circuses) time period of the NWO. Next, our masters have strengthened their surveillance technology enough to give us the austerity era. They know everything about us. We can't hide what they want. Greece was a test tube. Sure, there were some protests there, but most Greeks just went along with the austerity imposed upon them. The world is awash in debt and the payday is here. The serfs will be made to pay either with their last shreds of assets, or their lives. Death or slavery, which do you prefer?

I'm buoyed up by the fact that at the end, when the times were most perilous, Mormon taught faith, hope and charity. Our leaders are teaching the same thing now. Faith, hope and charity are eternal principles and they will help us through the tough times we must experience to become a Zion-like people.

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I wish I felt charity and forgiveness toward those who have purposely created the "awful situation" we are in now, and toward those who thru negligence and inexcusable ignorance or whatever helped facilitate our awful situation.

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lundbaek wrote: March 16th, 2017, 1:06 pm I wish I felt charity and forgiveness toward those who have purposely created the "awful situation" we are in now, and toward those who thru negligence and inexcusable ignorance or whatever helped facilitate our awful situation.
We as a nation are headed toward the very same end as all other corrupt and ungodly societies have. Moral decay, the subjugation of "WE THE PEOPLE", drugs, stealing, perversion, flinging God out of the lives of every race, color or creed in one way or another, wickedness and apathy.
Are we going to be like....oh, where in scripture is read the story of a prophet (I think) that struggles with the Lord because He, the Lord, wants to destroy a city, and the prophet asks if he can find 10 righteous people, would the Lord not destroy the city? As it turns out not one person could be found as being righteous. Have I got the story straight?
The point being, we may see people as doing good because they are not getting busted by the police. But God looks upon the heart, therefore, it is He that will determine when our demise as a country comes up. When His anger is kindled enough, all hell will break loose. So the question will be...how many people will be worthy enough to be able to flee to safety? How many people out of about 325,777,574 will attempt to flee to safety but their hearts will be far from God? 3%?

Will the Lord spare but a very small amount of people living in the US, which is the Promised Land? Or is it now A Cursed Land?

From 3 Nephi 9 we read:

12 And many great destructions have I caused to come upon this land, and upon this people, because of their wickedness and their abominations.
13 O all ye that are spared because ye were more righteous than they, will ye not now return unto me, and repent of your sins, and be converted, that I may heal you?

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On another note, secret combinations include the people wearing badges, setting up first amendment zones and pointing guns at innocent people.
Here is a man that says Marines were on site, near Bundy ranch, ready to take on the BLM and cops that forgot their oath of office.

Oklahoma Militia of 50,000 Stands Beside Bundy Ranch Against the Feds

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Oppen.n Mar 16, 2017 I wrote that "I don't think of the NWO as a government but rather as the program of world governance that Satan & Co. plan to impose on the world." Since then I have been wondering who (what person(s) or what group) will be in control of the world government and how will they exercise that control ? I occurs to me that the world will be divided up into regions, each with its own government. As I suggested earlier, the conspirators may create strong regional governments like the planned North American Union, the European Union, an African Union is in the planning, as is a Mid-East and Far-East Union, From reading the first several verses of Revelation 13 it seems to me that Satan will direct the "beast" mentioned in these verses, and the beast will direct or control those in charge of each of the regional governments. This is, of course, speculation on my part. And it seems that the PTB in both Russia and China have their own agenda for world conquest as well. I think the Anglo-American NWO globalist gang will prevail in that confliuct for a while and then be "wiped out", as some have expressed it. I think about these things because of my concern about how to cope and survive under the conditions that will exist as these things happen.

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It may be speculation on your part, but it's exactly what has been planned. 10 world regions, they already have the borders drawn.

http://www2.ministries-online.org/biometrics/rome.html

It does seem like some changes may have been made, if Mexico is to stay in the North American Union.

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Original_Intent wrote: March 17th, 2017, 10:30 pm It may be speculation on your part, but it's exactly what has been planned. 10 world regions, they already have the borders drawn.

http://www2.ministries-online.org/biometrics/rome.html

It does seem like some changes may have been made, if Mexico is to stay in the North American Union.
Oh, yea, the ten horned beast. Right?

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freedomforall wrote: March 18th, 2017, 1:20 am
Original_Intent wrote: March 17th, 2017, 10:30 pm It may be speculation on your part, but it's exactly what has been planned. 10 world regions, they already have the borders drawn.

http://www2.ministries-online.org/biometrics/rome.html

It does seem like some changes may have been made, if Mexico is to stay in the North American Union.
Oh, yea, the ten horned beast. Right?
Looks that way to me!

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A couple of things that may be of interest to those of you who are more concerned about the this topic than most:

I recently completed reading the Book of Mormon again and decided to each evening just open the book to wherever it opens to and see if there is anything special for me. 3 consecutive evenings the book opened to Ether Chapter 8, and so I focused on Moroni's warning about secret combinations. So what about Moroni's warning ? The only instructions I can find applicable to LDS people are "When ye shall see these things come among you....awake to a sense of your awful situation", and "suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you".

The last comment about secret combinations from Church leadership that I am aware of was from President Boyd K. Packer, in the August 2010 Ensign, Pg. 23, Using Ether 8: 20 & 23-24 as reference, he told us that, "We live in a time of war, that spiritual war that will never end. Moroni warned us that the secret combinations begun by Gadianton are had among all people. . . . Wherefore, O ye Gentiles [and the term gentile in that place in the Book of Mormon refers to us in our generation], it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . . Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you.” [Ether 8:20, 23–24].

I expectt o be at a JBS meting this evening. Maybe I'l get some idea there about what more I can do to "suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above [us]".

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lundbaek wrote: May 25th, 2017, 9:45 am A couple of things that may be of interest to those of you who are more concerned about the this topic than most:

I recently completed reading the Book of Mormon again and decided to each evening just open the book to wherever it opens to and see if there is anything special for me. 3 consecutive evenings the book opened to Ether Chapter 8, and so I focused on Moroni's warning about secret combinations. So what about Moroni's warning ? The only instructions I can find applicable to LDS people are "When ye shall see these things come among you....awake to a sense of your awful situation", and "suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you".

The last comment about secret combinations from Church leadership that I am aware of was from President Boyd K. Packer, in the August 2010 Ensign, Pg. 23, Using Ether 8: 20 & 23-24 as reference, he told us that, "We live in a time of war, that spiritual war that will never end. Moroni warned us that the secret combinations begun by Gadianton are had among all people. . . . Wherefore, O ye Gentiles [and the term gentile in that place in the Book of Mormon refers to us in our generation], it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . . Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you.” [Ether 8:20, 23–24].

I expectt o be at a JBS meting this evening. Maybe I'l get some idea there about what more I can do to "suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above [us]".
Lundbaek, great post as usual and I agree with your comments. However, I must call foul on your claim of the BoM opening to Ether 8 three days in a row. Everybody here knows how much you love those verses (as many of us do, too). I'm certain you have written, dog-eared, crayoned, magic marker-marked, bookmarked, etc. those verses/pages so many times that your copy of the BoM won't even close properly. A toddler could also open up to Ether 8 every time, as well she should.

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lundbaek wrote: May 25th, 2017, 9:45 am A couple of things that may be of interest to those of you who are more concerned about the this topic than most:

I recently completed reading the Book of Mormon again and decided to each evening just open the book to wherever it opens to and see if there is anything special for me. 3 consecutive evenings the book opened to Ether Chapter 8, and so I focused on Moroni's warning about secret combinations. So what about Moroni's warning ? The only instructions I can find applicable to LDS people are "When ye shall see these things come among you....awake to a sense of your awful situation", and "suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you".

The last comment about secret combinations from Church leadership that I am aware of was from President Boyd K. Packer, in the August 2010 Ensign, Pg. 23, Using Ether 8: 20 & 23-24 as reference, he told us that, "We live in a time of war, that spiritual war that will never end. Moroni warned us that the secret combinations begun by Gadianton are had among all people. . . . Wherefore, O ye Gentiles [and the term gentile in that place in the Book of Mormon refers to us in our generation], it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . . Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you.” [Ether 8:20, 23–24].

I expectt o be at a JBS meting this evening. Maybe I'l get some idea there about what more I can do to "suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above [us]".
It is plain to see that crooked and corrupt politicians aren't going to step down by asking please... and it appears that a large portion the Elders of Israel aren't interested enough to gather together and demand that government straighten up their act or get out.
So just exactly does it mean to "not let secret combinations get above us?" Sounds to me like a command to prepare and go to battle if necessary. But according to strong words by some prophets we learn that the priesthood is in a stupor or just plain asleep.

It's a cold day in hell when we can get into office those who will stand by the Constitution at any cost. Too much greed, compromise, moral decay and behind kissing going on, and it's a known fact that politicians, or a good number of them are liars.

So...our duty is to do what? Do we merely sit around and complain on a regular basis? Do we read the Book of Mormon and get all charged up and then find that reality does not correlate because of too much apathy and a lack of intestinal fortitude to do something about it? Like I said, PLEASE isn't enough to get things done. Additionally, the very few people voted into office, any office, that are in any shape or form of being honest and somewhat godlike don't, or can't make much headway in getting things done right. So they end up going with the flow or just drop out and forget about a political career.

Isn't the body of the church just as guilty as the people doing all the harm to this country by simply complaining about evil and not actively doing something, even unto bloodshed to save our Republic?

Even those that say we are a democracy give me pause so as to think they are so ignorant as to what America is all about, why we had Founder's in the first place. To call ourselves a democracy is a part of the big problem.

The U.S. Constitution Is Over 95 Percent Destroyed!

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What has America become?

Has America become the land of the special interest and home of the double standard?

Let's see: if we lie to the Congress, it's a felony and if the congress lies to us, its just politics; if we dislike a black person, we're racist and if a black dislikes whites, it's their 1st Amendment right; the government spends millions to rehabilitate criminals and they do almost nothing for the victims; in public schools you can teach that homosexuality is OK, but you better not use the word God in the process; you can kill an unborn child, but its wrong to execute a mass murderer; we don't burn books in America, we now rewrite them; we got rid of the communist and socialist threat by renaming them progressives; we are unable to close our border with Mexico, but have no problem protecting the 38th parallel in Korea; if you protest against President Obama's policies you're a terrorist, but if you burned an American flag or George Bush in effigy it was your 1st Amendment right.

You can have pornography on TV or the Internet, but you better not put a nativity scene in a public park during Christmas; we have eliminated all criminals in America, they are now called sick people; we can use a human fetus for medical research, but it's wrong to use an animal.

We take money from those who work hard for it and give it to those who don't want to work; we all support the Constitution, but only when it supports our political ideology; we still have freedom of speech, but only if we are being politically correct; parenting has been replaced with Ritalin and video games; the land of opportunity is now the land of hand outs; the similarity between Katrina and the gulf oil spill is that neither president did anything to help.

And how do we handle a major crisis today? The government appoints a committee to determine who's at fault, then threatens them, passes a law, raises our taxes; tells us the problem is solved so the can get back to their reelection campaign.

What has happened to the land of the free and home of the brave?

Ken Huber

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I'm so glad I found this thread.

It's amazing that we can read all about secret combinations in our daily scripture study, discuss them in Sunday School, and totally deny the possibility that they could be present in our own government, in our own time. So we tell ourselves that modern day Gadianton Robbers are gangs, terrorists, and the like. Cognitive dissonance at its best. That we would study and understand more the warnings written to us in the Book of Mormon. Awakening to our awful situation collectively is a slow, arduous process for it usually happens one person at a time. However, once one's eyes have been opened to it it's impossible to close them or to turn away.

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Last year during our SS lessons from the Book of Mormon I noticed that a lot of LDS people continue to think that modern day Gadianton Robbers are gangs, terrorists, and the like. It is a real shame that such ignorance prevails in the Church.

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"At this point we pay tribute to those great men who accepted and met the great challenge to establish a constitution for the government of this so-called new land. That this too was divinely inspired is attested by the word of the Lord when he said, “According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;

“That every man may act in doctrine and principle pertaining to futurity, according to the moral agency which I have given unto him, that every man may be accountable for his own sins in the day of judgment.

“Therefore, it is not right that any man should be in bondage one to another.

“And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.” (D&C 101:77–80.)

No constitution on earth has endured longer than this one. We seek, and usually find, the answers to today’s questions in this document of yesterday. It was and is a miracle. Both Washington and Madison referred to it as such. It is an inspired document written under the guidance of the Lord. James Madison, commonly called the father of the Constitution, recognized this inspiration and gave the credit to “the guardianship and guidance of the Almighty Being whose power regulates the destiny of nations, whose blessings have been so conspicuously dispensed to this rising republic.” (Petersen, Prologue, p. 95.)

We believe that the Constitution was brought about by God to ensure a nation where liberty could abound and where his gospel could flourish. Joseph Smith said, “The Constitution of the United States is a glorious standard—it is founded in the wisdom of God—it is a heavenly banner.” (Petersen, Prologue, p. 75.)

Many years ago in a volume entitled Beacon Lights of History, Dr. John Lord, referring to the discovery of America, said, after speaking of her great potential, “The world has witnessed many powerful empires which have passed away and left ‘not a track behind.’ What remains of the antediluvian world? … What remains of Nineveh, of Babylon, of Thebes, of Tyre, of Carthage—those great centers of wealth and power? What remains of Roman greatness even, except in laws and literature and renovated statues? … What is the simple story of all the ages?—industry, wealth, corruption, decay, and ruin. What conservative power has been strong enough to arrest the ruin of the nations of antiquity?

“Now if this is to be the destiny of America—an unbounded material growth, followed by corruption and ruin—then Columbus has simply extended the realm for men to try material experiments. Make New York a second Carthage, and Boston a second Athens, and Philadelphia a second Antioch, and Washington a second Rome, and we simply repeat the old experiments.

“But has America no higher destiny than to repeat the old experiments and improve upon them and become rich and powerful? Has she no higher and nobler mission? If America has a great mission to declare and to fulfil, she must put forth altogether new forces, and these not material. And these alone will save her and save the world. … The real glory of America is to be something entirely different from that of which the ancients boasted. And this is to be moral and spiritual—that which the ancients lacked.”

We are all a part of America’s future. Our job is to learn and benefit from the past and to go forward in righteousness, keeping the commandments of God. In this connection the prophet Lehi said, “Wherefore, this land is consecrated unto him whom he shall bring. And if it so be that they shall serve him according to the commandments which he hath given, it shall be a land of liberty unto them; wherefore, they shall never be brought down into captivity; if so, it shall be because of iniquity; for if iniquity shall abound cursed shall be the land for their sakes, but unto the righteous it shall be blessed forever.” (2 Ne. 1:7.)

As we pray daily to God for guidance, we should all make the same plea as George Washington did in his prayer for our country:

“Almighty God, who has given us this good land for our heritage, we humbly beseech Thee that we may always prove ourselves a people mindful of Thy favor and glad to do Thy will.

“Bless our land with honorable industry, sound learning and pure manners.

“Save us from violence, discord and confusion; from pride and arrogancy, and from every evil way.

“Defend our liberties, and fashion into one united people the multitudes brought out of many kindreds and tongues.

“Endue with the spirit of wisdom those whom in Thy name we entrust the authority of government, that there may be peace and justice at home, and that through obedience to Thy law, we may show forth Thy praise among the nations of the earth.

“In the time of prosperity, fill our hearts with thankfulness, and in the day of trouble, suffer not our trust in Thee to fail.

“All of which we ask through Jesus Christ, our Lord. Amen.”

Everything above quoted from a General Conference talk from April 1976 by President N. Eldon Tanner who was born in Canada. https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... d?lang=eng

His wikipedia page had interesting info on his political career in Canada.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Eldon_Tanner

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lundbaek wrote: June 13th, 2017, 9:50 am Last year during our SS lessons from the Book of Mormon I noticed that a lot of LDS people continue to think that modern day Gadianton Robbers are gangs, terrorists, and the like. It is a real shame that such ignorance prevails in the Church.
This is a result due to members of the church NOT wanting or allowing government issues being discussed in church. And all the while their freedom and liberty slips away and they don't appear to give a rat.

No wonder God has to clean house.

"It is a part of our faith that the Constitution of the United States was inspired by God. We reverence it akin to the revelations that have come from God…. We have no intention of trying to interfere with the fullest and freest exercise of the political franchise of our members under and within our Constitution, which the Lord declared He established “by the hands of wise men whom [He] raised up unto this very purpose.” (D&C 109:54). (October 21, 1975, A Plea for America)

"I reverence the Constitution of the United States as a sacred document. To me its words are akin to the revelations of God, for God has placed his stamp of approval on the Constitution of this land. I testify that the God of heaven selected and sent some of his choicest spirits to lay the foundation of this government as a prologue to the restoration of the gospel and the second coming of our Savior." (April 1976, General Conference)

Hmm, does this mean that the gospel of Jesus Christ, coupled with freedom and liberty should and must be discussed in church, because both topics come from the exact, same source?

And why do members of the church ignore this fact, ignore it it so much that they think discussing the latter, freedom and liberty, is taboo?

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freedomforall wrote: June 14th, 2017, 1:09 am
lundbaek wrote: June 13th, 2017, 9:50 am Last year during our SS lessons from the Book of Mormon I noticed that a lot of LDS people continue to think that modern day Gadianton Robbers are gangs, terrorists, and the like. It is a real shame that such ignorance prevails in the Church.
This is a result due to members of the church NOT wanting or allowing government issues being discussed in church. And all the while their freedom and liberty slips away and they don't appear to give a rat.

No wonder God has to clean house.

"It is a part of our faith that the Constitution of the United States was inspired by God. We reverence it akin to the revelations that have come from God…. We have no intention of trying to interfere with the fullest and freest exercise of the political franchise of our members under and within our Constitution, which the Lord declared He established “by the hands of wise men whom [He] raised up unto this very purpose.” (D&C 109:54). (October 21, 1975, A Plea for America)

"I reverence the Constitution of the United States as a sacred document. To me its words are akin to the revelations of God, for God has placed his stamp of approval on the Constitution of this land. I testify that the God of heaven selected and sent some of his choicest spirits to lay the foundation of this government as a prologue to the restoration of the gospel and the second coming of our Savior." (April 1976, General Conference)

Hmm, does this mean that the gospel of Jesus Christ, coupled with freedom and liberty should and must be discussed in church, because both topics come from the exact, same source?

And why do members of the church ignore this fact, ignore it it so much that they think discussing the latter, freedom and liberty, is taboo?
Because Satan is in our midst. He whispers to us that all is well and we need not speak of such things at church- that it's in bad taste to mix religion and politics because someone may become offended. He's very adept at diverting our attention, keeping us busy and focused on small things, and convincing us not to worry because corruption and deceit happen in other governments but not in America and certainly not in our day! He's also convinced many of us that God is a Republican and so we blindly follow the party and fight those darn Democrats.

In short, we speak not of these things because we are lazy, deceived, or both. All is not well in Zion.

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Irrelevant wrote: June 14th, 2017, 6:10 am
freedomforall wrote: June 14th, 2017, 1:09 am
lundbaek wrote: June 13th, 2017, 9:50 am Last year during our SS lessons from the Book of Mormon I noticed that a lot of LDS people continue to think that modern day Gadianton Robbers are gangs, terrorists, and the like. It is a real shame that such ignorance prevails in the Church.
This is a result due to members of the church NOT wanting or allowing government issues being discussed in church. And all the while their freedom and liberty slips away and they don't appear to give a rat.

No wonder God has to clean house.

"It is a part of our faith that the Constitution of the United States was inspired by God. We reverence it akin to the revelations that have come from God…. We have no intention of trying to interfere with the fullest and freest exercise of the political franchise of our members under and within our Constitution, which the Lord declared He established “by the hands of wise men whom [He] raised up unto this very purpose.” (D&C 109:54). (October 21, 1975, A Plea for America)

"I reverence the Constitution of the United States as a sacred document. To me its words are akin to the revelations of God, for God has placed his stamp of approval on the Constitution of this land. I testify that the God of heaven selected and sent some of his choicest spirits to lay the foundation of this government as a prologue to the restoration of the gospel and the second coming of our Savior." (April 1976, General Conference)

Hmm, does this mean that the gospel of Jesus Christ, coupled with freedom and liberty should and must be discussed in church, because both topics come from the exact, same source?

And why do members of the church ignore this fact, ignore it it so much that they think discussing the latter, freedom and liberty, is taboo?
Because Satan is in our midst. He whisperers to us that all is well and we need not speak of such things at church- that it's in bad taste to mix religion and politics because someone may become offended. He's very adept at diverting our attention, keeping us busy and focused on small things, and convincing us not to worry because corruption and deceit happen in other governments but not in America and certainly not in our day! He's also convinced many of us that God is a Republican and so we blindly follow the party and fight those darn Democrats.

In short, we speak not of these things because we are lazy, deceived, or both. All is not well in Zion.
Great point that is lost on so many. God is not a Republican. He is not even American.

There was a day when a majority of US-based Mormons supported the Democrats because the party of Lincoln had once vowed to eliminate "the twin relics of barbarism, polygamy and slavery." I guess we were half-barbaric.

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Matt 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Are members of the church that have little to no interest in what is going on pertaining to our loss of freedom and liberty. turning a blind eye to all the evil acts going on in government and all across the nation....a part of the Gadianton group?

God gave us freedom and liberty through men he raised up for that very purpose and Americans have allowed socialism and a godless society take hold of what used to be a Righteous Republic, granted to us by and through the Constitution.

So since church members, after being told time and again to watch for secret combinations, etc, seem to be complacent and apathetic to what has taken place, are they with God, or against God? Where would the proverbial line get drawn?

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freedomforall wrote: July 6th, 2017, 6:40 pm Matt 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Are members of the church that have little to no interest in what is going on pertaining to our loss of freedom and liberty. turning a blind eye to all the evil acts going on in government and all across the nation....a part of the Gadianton group?

God gave us freedom and liberty through men he raised up for that very purpose and Americans have allowed socialism and a godless society take hold of what used to be a Righteous Republic, granted to us by and through the Constitution.

So since church members, after being told time and again to watch for secret combinations, etc, seem to be complacent and apathetic to what has taken place, are they with God, or against God? Where would the proverbial line get drawn?
Maybe pertinent to your comments, is a quote from Matt Holland, President of UVU, who is on sabatical to Oxford Univ. There was a front page Des News article on his experiences there in which he is apparently reveling. Very long article. One of his quotes says: "There's an interesting thesis out there right now that some of the divide over Brexit is like the divide in the United States over President Trump. A blue-collar trade-and-technical crowd versus the white-collar crowd.'"

To me, this shows a fundamental lack of understanding of what is driving the populist movements in both countries, showing no indication that he has much of an understanding of the issues of freedom and sovereignty. Though, in all fairness, maybe he was pulling his punches regarding what he does know. He did say: "some of the divide".

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Re: Waking Up To Secret Combinations

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How can we fault those Church members´who have had no chance to learn of our responsibilities to preserve freedom ?

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