Waking Up To Secret Combinations

For discussion of secret combinations (political, economic, spiritual, religious, etc.) (Ether 8:18-25.)
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Original_Intent wrote: March 17th, 2017, 10:30 pm It may be speculation on your part, but it's exactly what has been planned. 10 world regions, they already have the borders drawn.

http://www2.ministries-online.org/biometrics/rome.html

It does seem like some changes may have been made, if Mexico is to stay in the North American Union.
Oh, yea, the ten horned beast. Right?

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freedomforall wrote: March 18th, 2017, 1:20 am
Original_Intent wrote: March 17th, 2017, 10:30 pm It may be speculation on your part, but it's exactly what has been planned. 10 world regions, they already have the borders drawn.

http://www2.ministries-online.org/biometrics/rome.html

It does seem like some changes may have been made, if Mexico is to stay in the North American Union.
Oh, yea, the ten horned beast. Right?
Looks that way to me!

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A couple of things that may be of interest to those of you who are more concerned about the this topic than most:

I recently completed reading the Book of Mormon again and decided to each evening just open the book to wherever it opens to and see if there is anything special for me. 3 consecutive evenings the book opened to Ether Chapter 8, and so I focused on Moroni's warning about secret combinations. So what about Moroni's warning ? The only instructions I can find applicable to LDS people are "When ye shall see these things come among you....awake to a sense of your awful situation", and "suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you".

The last comment about secret combinations from Church leadership that I am aware of was from President Boyd K. Packer, in the August 2010 Ensign, Pg. 23, Using Ether 8: 20 & 23-24 as reference, he told us that, "We live in a time of war, that spiritual war that will never end. Moroni warned us that the secret combinations begun by Gadianton are had among all people. . . . Wherefore, O ye Gentiles [and the term gentile in that place in the Book of Mormon refers to us in our generation], it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . . Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you.” [Ether 8:20, 23–24].

I expectt o be at a JBS meting this evening. Maybe I'l get some idea there about what more I can do to "suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above [us]".

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lundbaek wrote: May 25th, 2017, 9:45 am A couple of things that may be of interest to those of you who are more concerned about the this topic than most:

I recently completed reading the Book of Mormon again and decided to each evening just open the book to wherever it opens to and see if there is anything special for me. 3 consecutive evenings the book opened to Ether Chapter 8, and so I focused on Moroni's warning about secret combinations. So what about Moroni's warning ? The only instructions I can find applicable to LDS people are "When ye shall see these things come among you....awake to a sense of your awful situation", and "suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you".

The last comment about secret combinations from Church leadership that I am aware of was from President Boyd K. Packer, in the August 2010 Ensign, Pg. 23, Using Ether 8: 20 & 23-24 as reference, he told us that, "We live in a time of war, that spiritual war that will never end. Moroni warned us that the secret combinations begun by Gadianton are had among all people. . . . Wherefore, O ye Gentiles [and the term gentile in that place in the Book of Mormon refers to us in our generation], it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . . Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you.” [Ether 8:20, 23–24].

I expectt o be at a JBS meting this evening. Maybe I'l get some idea there about what more I can do to "suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above [us]".
Lundbaek, great post as usual and I agree with your comments. However, I must call foul on your claim of the BoM opening to Ether 8 three days in a row. Everybody here knows how much you love those verses (as many of us do, too). I'm certain you have written, dog-eared, crayoned, magic marker-marked, bookmarked, etc. those verses/pages so many times that your copy of the BoM won't even close properly. A toddler could also open up to Ether 8 every time, as well she should.

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lundbaek wrote: May 25th, 2017, 9:45 am A couple of things that may be of interest to those of you who are more concerned about the this topic than most:

I recently completed reading the Book of Mormon again and decided to each evening just open the book to wherever it opens to and see if there is anything special for me. 3 consecutive evenings the book opened to Ether Chapter 8, and so I focused on Moroni's warning about secret combinations. So what about Moroni's warning ? The only instructions I can find applicable to LDS people are "When ye shall see these things come among you....awake to a sense of your awful situation", and "suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you".

The last comment about secret combinations from Church leadership that I am aware of was from President Boyd K. Packer, in the August 2010 Ensign, Pg. 23, Using Ether 8: 20 & 23-24 as reference, he told us that, "We live in a time of war, that spiritual war that will never end. Moroni warned us that the secret combinations begun by Gadianton are had among all people. . . . Wherefore, O ye Gentiles [and the term gentile in that place in the Book of Mormon refers to us in our generation], it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . . Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you.” [Ether 8:20, 23–24].

I expectt o be at a JBS meting this evening. Maybe I'l get some idea there about what more I can do to "suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above [us]".
It is plain to see that crooked and corrupt politicians aren't going to step down by asking please... and it appears that a large portion the Elders of Israel aren't interested enough to gather together and demand that government straighten up their act or get out.
So just exactly does it mean to "not let secret combinations get above us?" Sounds to me like a command to prepare and go to battle if necessary. But according to strong words by some prophets we learn that the priesthood is in a stupor or just plain asleep.

It's a cold day in hell when we can get into office those who will stand by the Constitution at any cost. Too much greed, compromise, moral decay and behind kissing going on, and it's a known fact that politicians, or a good number of them are liars.

So...our duty is to do what? Do we merely sit around and complain on a regular basis? Do we read the Book of Mormon and get all charged up and then find that reality does not correlate because of too much apathy and a lack of intestinal fortitude to do something about it? Like I said, PLEASE isn't enough to get things done. Additionally, the very few people voted into office, any office, that are in any shape or form of being honest and somewhat godlike don't, or can't make much headway in getting things done right. So they end up going with the flow or just drop out and forget about a political career.

Isn't the body of the church just as guilty as the people doing all the harm to this country by simply complaining about evil and not actively doing something, even unto bloodshed to save our Republic?

Even those that say we are a democracy give me pause so as to think they are so ignorant as to what America is all about, why we had Founder's in the first place. To call ourselves a democracy is a part of the big problem.

The U.S. Constitution Is Over 95 Percent Destroyed!

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What has America become?

Has America become the land of the special interest and home of the double standard?

Let's see: if we lie to the Congress, it's a felony and if the congress lies to us, its just politics; if we dislike a black person, we're racist and if a black dislikes whites, it's their 1st Amendment right; the government spends millions to rehabilitate criminals and they do almost nothing for the victims; in public schools you can teach that homosexuality is OK, but you better not use the word God in the process; you can kill an unborn child, but its wrong to execute a mass murderer; we don't burn books in America, we now rewrite them; we got rid of the communist and socialist threat by renaming them progressives; we are unable to close our border with Mexico, but have no problem protecting the 38th parallel in Korea; if you protest against President Obama's policies you're a terrorist, but if you burned an American flag or George Bush in effigy it was your 1st Amendment right.

You can have pornography on TV or the Internet, but you better not put a nativity scene in a public park during Christmas; we have eliminated all criminals in America, they are now called sick people; we can use a human fetus for medical research, but it's wrong to use an animal.

We take money from those who work hard for it and give it to those who don't want to work; we all support the Constitution, but only when it supports our political ideology; we still have freedom of speech, but only if we are being politically correct; parenting has been replaced with Ritalin and video games; the land of opportunity is now the land of hand outs; the similarity between Katrina and the gulf oil spill is that neither president did anything to help.

And how do we handle a major crisis today? The government appoints a committee to determine who's at fault, then threatens them, passes a law, raises our taxes; tells us the problem is solved so the can get back to their reelection campaign.

What has happened to the land of the free and home of the brave?

Ken Huber

Source: http://itbecomesnecessary.blogspot.com/ ... ecome.html

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I'm so glad I found this thread.

It's amazing that we can read all about secret combinations in our daily scripture study, discuss them in Sunday School, and totally deny the possibility that they could be present in our own government, in our own time. So we tell ourselves that modern day Gadianton Robbers are gangs, terrorists, and the like. Cognitive dissonance at its best. That we would study and understand more the warnings written to us in the Book of Mormon. Awakening to our awful situation collectively is a slow, arduous process for it usually happens one person at a time. However, once one's eyes have been opened to it it's impossible to close them or to turn away.

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Last year during our SS lessons from the Book of Mormon I noticed that a lot of LDS people continue to think that modern day Gadianton Robbers are gangs, terrorists, and the like. It is a real shame that such ignorance prevails in the Church.

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"At this point we pay tribute to those great men who accepted and met the great challenge to establish a constitution for the government of this so-called new land. That this too was divinely inspired is attested by the word of the Lord when he said, “According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;

“That every man may act in doctrine and principle pertaining to futurity, according to the moral agency which I have given unto him, that every man may be accountable for his own sins in the day of judgment.

“Therefore, it is not right that any man should be in bondage one to another.

“And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.” (D&C 101:77–80.)

No constitution on earth has endured longer than this one. We seek, and usually find, the answers to today’s questions in this document of yesterday. It was and is a miracle. Both Washington and Madison referred to it as such. It is an inspired document written under the guidance of the Lord. James Madison, commonly called the father of the Constitution, recognized this inspiration and gave the credit to “the guardianship and guidance of the Almighty Being whose power regulates the destiny of nations, whose blessings have been so conspicuously dispensed to this rising republic.” (Petersen, Prologue, p. 95.)

We believe that the Constitution was brought about by God to ensure a nation where liberty could abound and where his gospel could flourish. Joseph Smith said, “The Constitution of the United States is a glorious standard—it is founded in the wisdom of God—it is a heavenly banner.” (Petersen, Prologue, p. 75.)

Many years ago in a volume entitled Beacon Lights of History, Dr. John Lord, referring to the discovery of America, said, after speaking of her great potential, “The world has witnessed many powerful empires which have passed away and left ‘not a track behind.’ What remains of the antediluvian world? … What remains of Nineveh, of Babylon, of Thebes, of Tyre, of Carthage—those great centers of wealth and power? What remains of Roman greatness even, except in laws and literature and renovated statues? … What is the simple story of all the ages?—industry, wealth, corruption, decay, and ruin. What conservative power has been strong enough to arrest the ruin of the nations of antiquity?

“Now if this is to be the destiny of America—an unbounded material growth, followed by corruption and ruin—then Columbus has simply extended the realm for men to try material experiments. Make New York a second Carthage, and Boston a second Athens, and Philadelphia a second Antioch, and Washington a second Rome, and we simply repeat the old experiments.

“But has America no higher destiny than to repeat the old experiments and improve upon them and become rich and powerful? Has she no higher and nobler mission? If America has a great mission to declare and to fulfil, she must put forth altogether new forces, and these not material. And these alone will save her and save the world. … The real glory of America is to be something entirely different from that of which the ancients boasted. And this is to be moral and spiritual—that which the ancients lacked.”

We are all a part of America’s future. Our job is to learn and benefit from the past and to go forward in righteousness, keeping the commandments of God. In this connection the prophet Lehi said, “Wherefore, this land is consecrated unto him whom he shall bring. And if it so be that they shall serve him according to the commandments which he hath given, it shall be a land of liberty unto them; wherefore, they shall never be brought down into captivity; if so, it shall be because of iniquity; for if iniquity shall abound cursed shall be the land for their sakes, but unto the righteous it shall be blessed forever.” (2 Ne. 1:7.)

As we pray daily to God for guidance, we should all make the same plea as George Washington did in his prayer for our country:

“Almighty God, who has given us this good land for our heritage, we humbly beseech Thee that we may always prove ourselves a people mindful of Thy favor and glad to do Thy will.

“Bless our land with honorable industry, sound learning and pure manners.

“Save us from violence, discord and confusion; from pride and arrogancy, and from every evil way.

“Defend our liberties, and fashion into one united people the multitudes brought out of many kindreds and tongues.

“Endue with the spirit of wisdom those whom in Thy name we entrust the authority of government, that there may be peace and justice at home, and that through obedience to Thy law, we may show forth Thy praise among the nations of the earth.

“In the time of prosperity, fill our hearts with thankfulness, and in the day of trouble, suffer not our trust in Thee to fail.

“All of which we ask through Jesus Christ, our Lord. Amen.”

Everything above quoted from a General Conference talk from April 1976 by President N. Eldon Tanner who was born in Canada. https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... d?lang=eng

His wikipedia page had interesting info on his political career in Canada.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Eldon_Tanner

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lundbaek wrote: June 13th, 2017, 9:50 am Last year during our SS lessons from the Book of Mormon I noticed that a lot of LDS people continue to think that modern day Gadianton Robbers are gangs, terrorists, and the like. It is a real shame that such ignorance prevails in the Church.
This is a result due to members of the church NOT wanting or allowing government issues being discussed in church. And all the while their freedom and liberty slips away and they don't appear to give a rat.

No wonder God has to clean house.

"It is a part of our faith that the Constitution of the United States was inspired by God. We reverence it akin to the revelations that have come from God…. We have no intention of trying to interfere with the fullest and freest exercise of the political franchise of our members under and within our Constitution, which the Lord declared He established “by the hands of wise men whom [He] raised up unto this very purpose.” (D&C 109:54). (October 21, 1975, A Plea for America)

"I reverence the Constitution of the United States as a sacred document. To me its words are akin to the revelations of God, for God has placed his stamp of approval on the Constitution of this land. I testify that the God of heaven selected and sent some of his choicest spirits to lay the foundation of this government as a prologue to the restoration of the gospel and the second coming of our Savior." (April 1976, General Conference)

Hmm, does this mean that the gospel of Jesus Christ, coupled with freedom and liberty should and must be discussed in church, because both topics come from the exact, same source?

And why do members of the church ignore this fact, ignore it it so much that they think discussing the latter, freedom and liberty, is taboo?

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freedomforall wrote: June 14th, 2017, 1:09 am
lundbaek wrote: June 13th, 2017, 9:50 am Last year during our SS lessons from the Book of Mormon I noticed that a lot of LDS people continue to think that modern day Gadianton Robbers are gangs, terrorists, and the like. It is a real shame that such ignorance prevails in the Church.
This is a result due to members of the church NOT wanting or allowing government issues being discussed in church. And all the while their freedom and liberty slips away and they don't appear to give a rat.

No wonder God has to clean house.

"It is a part of our faith that the Constitution of the United States was inspired by God. We reverence it akin to the revelations that have come from God…. We have no intention of trying to interfere with the fullest and freest exercise of the political franchise of our members under and within our Constitution, which the Lord declared He established “by the hands of wise men whom [He] raised up unto this very purpose.” (D&C 109:54). (October 21, 1975, A Plea for America)

"I reverence the Constitution of the United States as a sacred document. To me its words are akin to the revelations of God, for God has placed his stamp of approval on the Constitution of this land. I testify that the God of heaven selected and sent some of his choicest spirits to lay the foundation of this government as a prologue to the restoration of the gospel and the second coming of our Savior." (April 1976, General Conference)

Hmm, does this mean that the gospel of Jesus Christ, coupled with freedom and liberty should and must be discussed in church, because both topics come from the exact, same source?

And why do members of the church ignore this fact, ignore it it so much that they think discussing the latter, freedom and liberty, is taboo?
Because Satan is in our midst. He whispers to us that all is well and we need not speak of such things at church- that it's in bad taste to mix religion and politics because someone may become offended. He's very adept at diverting our attention, keeping us busy and focused on small things, and convincing us not to worry because corruption and deceit happen in other governments but not in America and certainly not in our day! He's also convinced many of us that God is a Republican and so we blindly follow the party and fight those darn Democrats.

In short, we speak not of these things because we are lazy, deceived, or both. All is not well in Zion.

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Irrelevant wrote: June 14th, 2017, 6:10 am
freedomforall wrote: June 14th, 2017, 1:09 am
lundbaek wrote: June 13th, 2017, 9:50 am Last year during our SS lessons from the Book of Mormon I noticed that a lot of LDS people continue to think that modern day Gadianton Robbers are gangs, terrorists, and the like. It is a real shame that such ignorance prevails in the Church.
This is a result due to members of the church NOT wanting or allowing government issues being discussed in church. And all the while their freedom and liberty slips away and they don't appear to give a rat.

No wonder God has to clean house.

"It is a part of our faith that the Constitution of the United States was inspired by God. We reverence it akin to the revelations that have come from God…. We have no intention of trying to interfere with the fullest and freest exercise of the political franchise of our members under and within our Constitution, which the Lord declared He established “by the hands of wise men whom [He] raised up unto this very purpose.” (D&C 109:54). (October 21, 1975, A Plea for America)

"I reverence the Constitution of the United States as a sacred document. To me its words are akin to the revelations of God, for God has placed his stamp of approval on the Constitution of this land. I testify that the God of heaven selected and sent some of his choicest spirits to lay the foundation of this government as a prologue to the restoration of the gospel and the second coming of our Savior." (April 1976, General Conference)

Hmm, does this mean that the gospel of Jesus Christ, coupled with freedom and liberty should and must be discussed in church, because both topics come from the exact, same source?

And why do members of the church ignore this fact, ignore it it so much that they think discussing the latter, freedom and liberty, is taboo?
Because Satan is in our midst. He whisperers to us that all is well and we need not speak of such things at church- that it's in bad taste to mix religion and politics because someone may become offended. He's very adept at diverting our attention, keeping us busy and focused on small things, and convincing us not to worry because corruption and deceit happen in other governments but not in America and certainly not in our day! He's also convinced many of us that God is a Republican and so we blindly follow the party and fight those darn Democrats.

In short, we speak not of these things because we are lazy, deceived, or both. All is not well in Zion.
Great point that is lost on so many. God is not a Republican. He is not even American.

There was a day when a majority of US-based Mormons supported the Democrats because the party of Lincoln had once vowed to eliminate "the twin relics of barbarism, polygamy and slavery." I guess we were half-barbaric.

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Matt 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Are members of the church that have little to no interest in what is going on pertaining to our loss of freedom and liberty. turning a blind eye to all the evil acts going on in government and all across the nation....a part of the Gadianton group?

God gave us freedom and liberty through men he raised up for that very purpose and Americans have allowed socialism and a godless society take hold of what used to be a Righteous Republic, granted to us by and through the Constitution.

So since church members, after being told time and again to watch for secret combinations, etc, seem to be complacent and apathetic to what has taken place, are they with God, or against God? Where would the proverbial line get drawn?

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freedomforall wrote: July 6th, 2017, 6:40 pm Matt 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Are members of the church that have little to no interest in what is going on pertaining to our loss of freedom and liberty. turning a blind eye to all the evil acts going on in government and all across the nation....a part of the Gadianton group?

God gave us freedom and liberty through men he raised up for that very purpose and Americans have allowed socialism and a godless society take hold of what used to be a Righteous Republic, granted to us by and through the Constitution.

So since church members, after being told time and again to watch for secret combinations, etc, seem to be complacent and apathetic to what has taken place, are they with God, or against God? Where would the proverbial line get drawn?
Maybe pertinent to your comments, is a quote from Matt Holland, President of UVU, who is on sabatical to Oxford Univ. There was a front page Des News article on his experiences there in which he is apparently reveling. Very long article. One of his quotes says: "There's an interesting thesis out there right now that some of the divide over Brexit is like the divide in the United States over President Trump. A blue-collar trade-and-technical crowd versus the white-collar crowd.'"

To me, this shows a fundamental lack of understanding of what is driving the populist movements in both countries, showing no indication that he has much of an understanding of the issues of freedom and sovereignty. Though, in all fairness, maybe he was pulling his punches regarding what he does know. He did say: "some of the divide".

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How can we fault those Church members´who have had no chance to learn of our responsibilities to preserve freedom ?

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lundbaek wrote: July 10th, 2017, 4:02 am How can we fault those Church members´who have had no chance to learn of our responsibilities to preserve freedom ?
If they were to read the Book of Mormon, they would be quite informed on what their responsibility is. God gave us liberty and freedom and if we squander them away, shame on us. A great example of this is learning of Moroni and his struggles with trying to keep liberty. And if we are to liken scripture unto ourselves, there we have it, a direct call to action. So, yes, we can fault church members. And not reading scriptures at all is folly. I suppose there are some church members that haven't read the BOM one time, cover to cover. Some may cherry pick which doesn't truly offer learning of today's troubles and doing something, even if it is merely opening their mouth and calling for freedom and liberty. How many "give me liberty, or give me death" church members do we have?

And in the D&C we find these words:

Doctrine and Covenants 98:8
8 I, the Lord God, make you free, therefore ye are free indeed; and the law also maketh you free.

I take the word "law" here to be in reference to the Constitution.

Doctrine and Covenants 98:9
9 Nevertheless, when the wicked rule the people mourn.

In addition, we have many, many talks by church leaders telling us to watch and become aware of secret combinations and what to do to fight them.

For example:

The devil knows that if the elders of Israel should ever wake up, they could step forth and help preserve freedom and extend the gospel. Therefore the devil has
concentrated, and to a large extent successfully, in neutralizing much of the priesthood. He has reduced them to sleeping giants. His arguments are clever….
[Says the devil]: “Don’t do anything in the fight for freedom until the Church sets up its own specific program to save the Constitution.” This brings us right back to the scripture…to those slothful servants who will not do anything until they are “compelled in all things” [D&C 58:26]. Maybe the Lord will never set up a specific church program for the purpose of saving the Constitution. Perhaps if he set one up at this time it might split the Church asunder, and perhaps he does not want that to happen yet for not all the wheat and tares are fully ripe….
[H]ave we elders been warned? Yes, we have. And have we elders been given the guidelines? Yes indeed, we have. And besides, if the Church should ever inaugurate a program [to save the Constitution], who do you think would be in the forefront to get it moving? It would not be those who were sitting on the sidelines prior to that time or those who were appeasing the enemy. It would be those choice spirits who, not waiting to be “commanded in all things,” used their own free will, the counsel of the prophets, and the Spirit of the Lord as guidelines and who entered the battle “in a good cause” and brought to pass much righteousness in freedom’s cause….
Brethren, if we had done our homework and were faithful, we could step forward at this time and help save this country. The fact that most of us are unprepared to do it is an indictment we will have to bear. The longer we wait, the heavier the chains, the deeper the blood, the more the persecution, and the less we can carry out our God-given mandate and worldwide mission. The war in heaven is raging on the earth today. Are you being neutralized in the battle? (April 1965, General Conference)

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So are the elect of God those who attend church and do church callings, etc. yet ignore the condition of our country and Constitution for the sake of comfort and tranquility believing they're doing all that is required of them? God says his elect are those who have the welfare of Zion in mind and acting on it. Does not the Constitution fit into a set of requirements and is a mandate to preserve freedom? Do the elect only concern themselves with Sunday activities and temple attendance? Can they be apathetic to the troubles around them and even think they are among the elect? In the D&C God was adamant about his people befriending the Constitution; the war in heaven was and still is over our right to freedom and liberty, coupled with our choice to act or be acted upon. Without freedom and liberty, we will be acted upon. I don't presume that God will hold those guiltless that will not act even in the least degree in voicing their concern and helping to bring to light the dangers we are and will face. The Lord requires a willing mind, not an apathetic and complacent one.

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kittycat51 wrote: March 16th, 2017, 9:54 am I can't believe in all these posts about secret combinations that NOBODY has mentioned the evil corporation Monsanto. These people in the name of GMO's are saying one thing "oh we are trying to feed the world in a more efficient way" but in reality they are killing people. One of the biggest backers of Monsanto is Bill Gates (along with George Soros). You know they are both eugenicist's and they are on the record many times saying that the world population needs to be decreased by 5 BILLION people! As of the end of 2015 36 countries have BANNED GMO's. Why is the U.S. holding on for dear life? Cough Bill, George oh and Hillary was supported by Monsanto.

Must read articles; the last includes a letter from a dying EPA scientist who is trying to expose things on Monsanto.

http://www.naturalnews.com/054899_eugen ... Gates.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/035105_bill_ ... enics.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-03-15-h ... osate.html
Satan's minions will have their heyday, and then die and face God. There is no escaping the wrath of God and them going to hell unless they repent. Soros may not be bothered with his evil acts or even concerned or even care about after-life, but once standing before God, fear, trembling and guilt will permeate his very being and he will know he is doomed, as will all of Satan's children.
Everyone is born with the light of Christ so they can discern right from wrong, so they will face the music some day.

Ezekiel 18:20-21
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

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From Jerome Horowitz, autfhor of The Elders of Israel and the Constitution
Fulfilling our political responsibility is part of living the gospel
The Church takes political stands only in limited areas
1.Where a moral issue is involved or the particular matter directly concerns the Church itself
2.Where it gives overall counsel to point us in the right direction leaving it up to us to use our own judgment and initiative to take action in that direction (D&C 58:26-29)
3.More detailed political leadership by the Church would subject it to the charge of improper political activity in violation of the principle of separation of church and state

We have no excuse to justify our slowness in responding to the general direction given us by the Church
1.The scriptures are available to us and we are supposed to be skilled in their use
2.We have been repeatedly admonished on these matters by living prophets.
3.We must not wait for a consensus even among Church members because a consistent trait of Israel has been slowness to hearken and obey (D&C 105:2; Jer 7:23-26)

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Let us not be deceived in the sifting days ahead. Let us rally together on principle behind the prophet as guided by the promptings of the Spirit. We should continue to speak out for freedom and against socialism and communism. We should continue to come to the aid of patriots, programs, and organizations that are trying to save our Constitution through every legal and moral means possible. (October 1963, General Conference)

Every Latter-day Saint has spiritual obligations in four basic areas: his home, his church, his job, and his citizenship responsibility. Each of these areas should receive consistent attention although not necessarily equal time. Are we doing our duty in these important fields?
What about our citizenship responsibility—our obligation to safeguard our freedom and preserve the Constitution? (April 1963, General Conference)

Surely the preservation and enjoyment of the freedoms vouchsafed to us by the Constitution of the United States will require eternal vigilance even to the guarding of it with our lives…. We must ever be on our guard against the unsound theories that would strike at our Constitutional freedoms.
We must ever keep faith with our founding fathers by keeping faith with our Constitution. I trust that we all have faith in the Constitution of the United States, and that that faith is born of an assurance that this great document came into being through the inspiration of God to wise men, embodying as it does, eternal principles. This nation has a spiritual foundation which must be preserved at any cost of sweat and blood. May we recognize our debt and responsibility and be ever vigilant….

If we are to keep faith with our Constitution, we must know it. Since it is the basis of our American way of life and our liberties every American should be familiar with it. We should read it periodically. How can people who are ignorant of the principles and guarantees of American government stand up in defense of it and our rights under the Constitution[?] The fundamentals and processes of free government should be known to every school boy—and his parents. No free people can ever survive if they are ignorant of and fail to understand the principles of free government! (1962, The Red Carpet, 201-202)

Every member of the priesthood should understand the divine plan designed by the Lord to raise up the first free people in modern times….
God [has] placed a mandate upon his people to befriend and defend the constitutional laws of the land and see that the rights and privileges of all mankind are protected. He verified the declaration of the founding fathers, that God created all men free. He also warned against those who would enact laws encroaching upon the sacred rights and privileges of free men. He urged the election of honest and wise leaders and said that evil men and laws were of Satan. (October 1961, General Conference)

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Some people have been fighting the global agenda that would destroy America as we know it for decades.
The goal of the Globalists is not “saving the planet,” it’s not even redistribution of wealth ultimately. It is Control. Global control of everyone and everything. I believe the Lord would have us discover and oppose this agenda.

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Lundbaek, I appreciate your astute comments. For most people whose only aspirations in life are to comfortably provide for their family, mind their own business, and live a good moral life, it has been nearly impossible for them to conceive that there really are wicked, deceptive, vile people in high positions who lust for pure, raw, absolute, undiluted power over the lives of all other people. These people have a global mindset and aren't content with just a part of the world- they want it all.

In the past few years however, there have been many people (mostly outside the church) who have began to awaken to this fact. I think that especially since 2001 there are many politically alert people who are seeing that our major media is distorting the truth or outright lying about the facts and that our government has been using false flag events to justify the destruction of our Constitution and the freedoms it guarantees.

We read of wicked people in history books (like Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, etc) and the scriptures (like King Noah, Kishkumen, Gadianton, Amlici, Korihor, Amalickiah, Ammoron, etc) but most people today don't realize that when the true history is published at some time in the future, many of today's political leaders will be exposed as being some of the most wicked, nasty people who have ever walked the earth. The Lord takes a very dim view of those who build up secret combinations and the result has always been the same. We can expect the same results if we are walking down the same path as those who allowed SCs to dominate their society in the past.

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It's interesting that Ether 8 is quoted in like tons of places above; I posted it for fun below.

Ether 8

20 And now I, Moroni, do not write the manner of their oaths and combinations, for it hath been made known unto me that they are had among all people, and they are had among the Lamanites.

21 And they have caused the destruction of this people of whom I am now speaking, and also the destruction of the people of Nephi.

22 And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not.

23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.

25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.

26 Wherefore, I, Moroni, am commanded to write these things that evil may be done away, and that the time may come that Satan may have no power upon the hearts of the children of men, but that they may be persuaded to do good continually, that they may come unto the fountain of all righteousness and be saved.

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I consider it very significant that President Boyd K. Packer, in the August 2010 Ensign, Pg. 23 had this to say Re. Moroni's warning in Ether 8 :  "We live in a time of war, that spiritual war that will never end. Moroni warned us that the secret combinations begun by Gadianton ‘are had among all people. . . . Wherefore, O ye Gentiles [and the term gentile in that place in the Book of Mormon refers to us in our generation], it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . . Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you. [Ether 8:20, 23–24]

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Are secret combinations really secret? With so much exposure of criminal activity recently, what would make them secret today?

Harry Reid has been exposed
Obama has been exposed
Clinton's have been exposed
Dirty Judges have been exposed, ie, judge Anna J Brown, judge Gloria Navarro
The Bundy and Hammond fiasco has been exposed
James Comey has been exposed
Weiner has been exposed
Susan Rice has been exposed
Loretta Lynch has been exposed

...and most likely some issues and parties I don't remember right now.

What are some others?

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