The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby iamse7en » Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:28 pm

iamse7en wrote:This has been quite an entertaining thread.

Janadele, it seems you are quite new to 9/11 truth, as I was a few months ago. It hasn't taken too long, but it became quite obvious to me that those buildings came down by demolition. Once you accept that fact, you see it's hard to conclude that poor, bedouin Arabs from caves planted explosives in highly secure, government-protected and government-office buildings. Okay, even if it were rich oil-Arabs. :)

This is what I did. First, watch this. Then watch this. Then read history regarding U.S. false flag attacks. It would also be wise to understand the military-industrial complex, so watching this is a good start. Also, Col. Flagg has put together a great documentary as well.

I find it hard to believe you'll accept the "official story" after watching all those videos. But that's just the beginning. Once you see how the banking cartel ties into all of this, then you'll give up on Romney altogether. :) He's a decent man, but he doesn't understand how our country is being controlled by the banking-military cartel-complex. Hence his support of Fed/TARP controls/bailouts and practically any war. But don't let this last paragraph prevent you from watching these videos. This issue is much larger than Mitt. I promise your eyes will be opened, and as a result, you'll turn to the Lord with even greater zeal. Awake and Arise! (I have come a long way since July!)


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I think I'm noticing a trend with our friend Janadele. But what does Dallin H. Oaks say about 9/11!!!!! =))
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Postby InfoWarrior82 » Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:18 pm

Once we come to a conclusion on what Elder Oaks' opinion is, then it will be: Well what does Elder Holland have to say on this matter? Next, president Eyring, etc, etc. Someone mentioned games???
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby LoveIsTruth » Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:21 pm

Janadele wrote:What does Dallin H Oaks say?
According to Dr. Jones: exactly nothing! Your point?
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby InfoWarrior82 » Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:48 pm

I want to know what Dallin H. Oaks thinks about german chocolate cake.
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby Col. Flagg » Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:52 pm

InfoWarrior82 wrote:I want to know what Dallin H. Oaks thinks about german chocolate cake.

I wish they made german chocolate cake without the coconut. :p
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby InfoWarrior82 » Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:55 pm

Janadele wrote:If the terrorist attack on the World Trade Centre was manipulated by connections within the US Government then it would mean that Islam has infiltrated the Government of the US. Why then is there not an uprising and a military coup, with Patriotic Americans deposing the President and his cronies?


Are you saying that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, & Rove are musilms? IMO, I think your theory is right up there with bigfoot. Of course, I could be totally wrong and you could be totally right. So if that's the case, you got some researching to do in order to defend your theory. Happy hunting!
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby patriotsaint » Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:33 pm

InfoWarrior82 wrote:
Janadele wrote:If the terrorist attack on the World Trade Centre was manipulated by connections within the US Government then it would mean that Islam has infiltrated the Government of the US. Why then is there not an uprising and a military coup, with Patriotic Americans deposing the President and his cronies?


Are you saying that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, & Rove are musilms? IMO, I think your theory is right up there with bigfoot. Of course, I could be totally wrong and you could be totally right. So if that's the case, you got some researching to do in order to defend your theory. Happy hunting!


Don't worry IW, just another case of someone trying to force the conclusion to fit their pre-conceived notions. Janadele, could benefit from some time spent studying honorable American leaders of the past. This quote from John Quincey Adams comes to mind, "America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy."

I wish Mr. Adams' assertion were still true.
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby Jason » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:08 pm

Expect any different from a fanatic for Mitt Romney?????
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby larsenb » Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:21 pm

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Janadele wrote:I know nothing of the above. I believe Islam is our enemy.


Al-Qaeda 100% Pentagon Run

Watch Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8txxny- ... r_embedded

Alex Jones & Aaron Dykes
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March 31, 2011

In a special video address, Alex Jones terms the al Qaeda intelligence operation a ‘Swiss army knife’ for destabilization. Simply put, it is a tool to foment crisis that allows the globalists to offer up a solution in variable contexts.

Today, ‘freelancers‘ in Libya; yesterday, terrorists in the ‘War on Terror.’ Before that, allies against Serbia; in the 80s, Freedom Fighters. The shadowy enemy supposedly run by Osama bin Laden and top jihadists like Anwar al-Awlaki is really an extension of U.S. foreign policy and the Pentagon. Al Qaeda shifts across the geopolitical chessboard at the will of its masters in the allied-international intelligence ring. It is perhaps government’s greatest hoax… but the tactic is one of the oldest tricks in the book for any power-seeking State. . . . . . . ..
Moonwhim, this is excellent, but I'm a bit confused regarding whether you wrote it all, or if you are quoting from AJ, etc. If any quotes are in here, maybe you could edit and actually put them in quotes so we can differentiate them from your own words. And if you wrote it all, hats off to you.
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby larsenb » Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:15 am

Janadele, what you're bumping up against in this thread are a core of people who fit into the category described by Moroni in Ether 8:24. If you want to understand this group, read this chapter a few times, concentrating on verses 22-26, and 24 specifically. President Benson describes the same situation in a Conference talk he gave, Fall of 1988.

Notice that Moroni says in v. 24: "Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye awake to a sense of your awful situation". This group has not only awaked to our awful situation, but see 9/11 as a KEY event in the plans of the latter-day Gadiantons described by Moroni.

Now, a moments thought should suggest to you that not all "ye Gentiles" will necessarily wake up at the same time, especially to 9/11. However, we will all have our turn, as things get progressively worse. Eventually it will be obvious to most LDS. My wakeup began sometime ago; iamse7en started several months ago.

Unfortunately, it is a real burden to have a fairly clear view of our "awful situation", both in terms of having a perception of something so awful and foreboding with such ominous portent, AND to be accutely aware of those of our LDS brethren (and others, of course) who are largely blind to the dangers we see. We are even more burdened by not being able to enlist these people in joining battle with us against the real foe.

For instance, it is PAINFUL to see how oblivious someone like Mitt Romney is to this 'awful situation', or even most of the Tea Partiers. They are apparently on a different 'wakeup' schedule than this group, for various reasons. Though the Tea Partiers certainly woke up to the egregious bailouts, including TARP, and many of the circumstances creating the apparent 'need' for these bailouts. They could still easily miss the bigger picture.

If you understand what I'm saying here, you will begin to understand Jason's choice of avatar :-ss . It's a burden; almost overwhelming when you first grapple with it.

The bright side of all this is that it indicates we are quickly coming into some of the final wind-up stages. We are also FORCED to rely more on the Lord and seek his Spirit in a more serious fashion. We HAVE to, for spiritual survival.

Why don't the Brethren speak about these things? They have, re., quote from Benson, above (not shown, but indicated); and many others, over the years and decades, and seriously among the earliest Brethren.

Ask yourself, if Dallin Oaks and others of the Brethren, started speaking out directly against the modern day Gadiantons, and in the day of their almost overwhelming power, wouldn't you expect the LDGs would turn their focus on us and rend us? I think the consensus in this forum is that the day is past when the Brethren could 'publicly' rally the troops against this foe. They are focused rather on gathering as many sheaves as they can. And rightly so, I've come to believe.

I know for a fact that Dr. Jones latest paper on WTC dust nano-thermite was handed off to Pres. Eyring's daughter at his home. It is hard to believe he did not read it and probably come fully up to speed on Dr. Jones' findings, nor could he ignore the implications of it. And it probably only confirmed what he already knew or strongly suspected.

One more comment. My sister and her husband entered the MTC in Provo a little over a month ago. She said one of the presenters in their training said that modern day secret combinations were RAMPANT and to be seen EVERYWHERE.
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby ChemtrailWatcher » Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:49 am

If you understand what I'm saying here, you will begin to understand Jason's choice of avatar. It's a burden; almost overwhelming when you first grapple with it.


Ahhhh! I get it! The avatar is to help us feel the BURDEN on our shoulders! Must have burdens! Must be overwhelmed! Must lose sleep! Why didn't I think of this before????

Quick, somebody get me a shovel so I can bury myself alive in doo-doo!

I feel the collective pain.
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby larsenb » Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:53 am

ChemtrailWatcher wrote:
If you understand what I'm saying here, you will begin to understand Jason's choice of avatar. It's a burden; almost overwhelming when you first grapple with it.


Ahhhh! I get it! The avatar is to help us feel the BURDEN on our shoulders! Must have burdens! Must be overwhelmed! Must lose sleep! Why didn't I think of this before????

Quick, somebody get me a shovel so I can bury myself alive!

I feel the collective pain.
Hey CTW, there was a little tongue-in-cheek there. I added a 'smiley' on an edit to give a clue on this. Now if you really ARE a chem trail watcher, you should understand this 'burden', no? ;)
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby ChemtrailWatcher » Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:55 am

I've known about this stuff most of my life, larsenb. The fact is, there's more to life than this. And I don't go sorrowing for the "blindness" of my brothers and sisters. Mote/beam and all that.

Speaking of tongue-in-cheek, I'm having one of those days. :)
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby larsenb » Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:02 am

ChemtrailWatcher wrote:I've known about this stuff most of my life, larsenb. The fact is, there's more to life than this. And I don't go sorrowing for the "blindness" of my brothers and sisters. Mote/beam and all that.

Speaking of tongue-in-cheek, I'm having one of those days. :)
CTW, not so much sorrowing for the 'blindness' of my brothers and sisters, more frustration; at least initially. Then yes, you move on and don't press the issues. You let Glen Beck catch them up. Good grief CTW, I hope you're having one of those days.


BTW, was 9/11 obvious to you from the beginning?
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby ChemtrailWatcher » Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:07 am

I've never felt frustrated about it. The Lord knows what He's doing, and so do His prophets.

Yes, I had my suspicions about 9/11 from the moment it happened, but I don't like to play one key on the piano incessantly. Get my drift?

Have faith brother! Go do some genealogy! It's good for the soul.
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby freedomfighter » Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:39 am

Obiwan wrote:Nothing but some truths and information used to tell great lies...

There was no "conspiracy".
There were no "explosions" caused by explosives, etc.

The buildings fell exactly how they were supposed to in the situation.
Sad that so many faithful LDS are willingly deceived to be either Liberal or or conspiracy Jones Brothers Right.

The only "conspiracy" is with those of Fanatical Islam and the Left (and the Jones Brothers right types) who don't believe in destroying that evil, by engaging in every effort to thwart other conservatives and enabling that evil.

Just like with Vietnam, the Left and the nut Right have killed millions, and still do so with their consciences objection and conspiracy theory's. Their focus should be on the "real" problems of the world, not science fiction fantasy.


You want facts?

NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY

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Go for it, I did. I read the whole thing. Now you read it and then tell me 50,000 some odd men didn't die in Viet Nam, done by conspiracy.

http://www.whale.to/b/allen_b1.html#chapter5

taken from the book:
Certainly every loyal American will say to himself, "Well, I would hope to God the Soviets couldn't walk into our defense plants and buy a patent." The Rockefellers and the Eatons have solved that problem for the Communists. Now, instead of dealing with an official agency of the Soviet government, American concerns will be dealing with the Rockefellers. Meanwhile, nearly 50,000 Americans have died in Vietnam, many of them killed by weapons which the Rockefellers directly or indirectly supplied to our avowed enemies. Only the technicality of the lack of a formal declaration of war prevents the Rockefellers' trading in the blood of dead Americans from being actionable as treason.

...Nelson Rockefeller and Richard Nixon are theoretically political enemies, but Rocky arranged '68 election so that if he could not be President, someone whom he controlled would be. The Rockefeller family through their Chase Manhattan Bank and other entities have been great benefactors of the Soviet Union ever since Communist Revolution in Russia. During campaign Nixon promised to halt shipment of war materials from America to North Vietnam via European Communist bloc because these supplies were being used to kill American soldiers. But much of this bloc trade is controlled by Rockefellers and Nixon has reversed himself and greatly multiplied such trade. The press, quite naturally, remains silent about killing American soldiers by proxy.
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby freedomfighter » Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:56 am

Silas wrote:
InfoWarrior82 wrote:
Silas wrote:I really don't know how to respond to that directly. I really wish my world could stay the way I thought it was. What this would mean is that there was some extremely extensive planning involved here. How would enough thermite be put in place in order to pull this off without anyone noticing? Who would have placed the charges? That would have taken a crew of workers I presume. All with out any sort of remorse for their actions. How could this have been set up without anyone noticing?


Tons of thermate.

Conflict of Interest:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... urity.html


That was interesting and disturbing. But I want to know how exactly the thermite was put in place without anyone noticing. How far in advance was this done? Wouldn't you need massive amounts of it? Someone would find that wouldn't they?


Ya. And how did the Japanese attack Pearl without being noticed?
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby larsenb » Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:07 am

ChemtrailWatcher wrote:I've never felt frustrated about it. The Lord knows what He's doing, and so do His prophets.

Yes, I had my suspicions about 9/11 from the moment it happened, but I don't like to play one key on the piano incessantly. Get my drift?

Have faith brother! Go do some genealogy! It's good for the soul.

Your drift?? I have enough direct involvement in 9/11 issues to cause it to grab my attention from time-to-time. But why be so presumptuous about this issue or how I spend my time? Are you always so judgemental? Maybe that should be your caution, eh?
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby ChemtrailWatcher » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:15 am

Larsenb, you were the one talking about how burdened, frustrated, overwhelmed and PAINED you are. (bolding yours, not mine). I just don't like to live like this, nor do I recommend it to anyone else. Have a nice day!

I also don't subscribe to this philosophy:

We are also FORCED to rely more on the Lord and seek his Spirit in a more serious fashion. We HAVE to, for spiritual survival.


Are you having a hard time with this or something? Call me judgmental if you will, but this doesn't sound like the gospel in action to me.
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby patriotsaint » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:20 am

I like your book list suggested above Jason. I would also suggest the book Imperial Hubris. It's one of the best that I've read so far.
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby moonwhim » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:02 am

larsenb wrote:
moonwhim wrote:
Janadele wrote:I know nothing of the above. I believe Islam is our enemy.


Al-Qaeda 100% Pentagon Run

Watch Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8txxny- ... r_embedded

Alex Jones & Aaron Dykes
Infowars.com
March 31, 2011

In a special video address, Alex Jones terms the al Qaeda intelligence operation a ‘Swiss army knife’ for destabilization. Simply put, it is a tool to foment crisis that allows the globalists to offer up a solution in variable contexts.

Today, ‘freelancers‘ in Libya; yesterday, terrorists in the ‘War on Terror.’ Before that, allies against Serbia; in the 80s, Freedom Fighters. The shadowy enemy supposedly run by Osama bin Laden and top jihadists like Anwar al-Awlaki is really an extension of U.S. foreign policy and the Pentagon. Al Qaeda shifts across the geopolitical chessboard at the will of its masters in the allied-international intelligence ring. It is perhaps government’s greatest hoax… but the tactic is one of the oldest tricks in the book for any power-seeking State. . . . . . . ..
Moonwhim, this is excellent, but I'm a bit confused regarding whether you wrote it all, or if you are quoting from AJ, etc. If any quotes are in here, maybe you could edit and actually put them in quotes so we can differentiate them from your own words. And if you wrote it all, hats off to you.

All I did was post the article.
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby Jason » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:22 am

patriotsaint wrote:I like your book list suggested above Jason. I would also suggest the book Imperial Hubris. It's one of the best that I've read so far.


Please tell me more....read some reviews on Amazon and I must admit to be a skeptic of anything coming out of the CIA....especially a lower level analyst that may have a great view of one aspect from him compartment but in terms of the overall macro picture....missing much of the picture.
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby Silas » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:42 am

The author of Imperial Hubris was head of the bin ladin unit in the cia as I recall. So low level no, very specific yes.
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby larsenb » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:54 am

ChemtrailWatcher wrote:Larsenb, you were the one talking about how burdened, frustrated, overwhelmed and PAINED you are. (bolding yours, not mine). I just don't like to live like this, nor do I recommend it to anyone else. Have a nice day!

I also don't subscribe to this philosophy:

We are also FORCED to rely more on the Lord and seek his Spirit in a more serious fashion. We HAVE to, for spiritual survival.


Are you having a hard time with this or something? Call me judgmental if you will, but this doesn't sound like the gospel in action to me.
CTW, it is true that when I started waking up to what I believe is "our awful situation", I experienced quite a few ups and downs trying to adjust to this new perception. I think most people who undergo this, experience the same thing. It is natural. Does that mean we wallow in it? Maybe for a time; but life goes on, other realities intrude. But it normally remains quite compelling in how it colors our political perception and how we may take political action.


But just to reassure you and disabuse you of your presumption, Mitt Romney pains me only when I see him acting in ways I regard as toadying to the powers that be, and with what seems to be no awareness of how they play him or of what I believe is "our awful" situation. If he did not have such prominence, and especially if he was not LDS, the pain level would be much less and probably non-existent. Other things bother me about him, as well. But please understand, for 99.999% of the time and probably more, he doesn't enter my awareness. I will never vote for him unless I see some radical change in his political behavior.

I wouldn't say being forced to rely more on the Lord because of a newly acquired apocalyptic word view is exactly a philosophy. I may have overstated this. Different people have different reactions. But I think it is a natural tendency for people, especially LDS, when they encounter something drastic, overwhelming and maybe awful, to draw even closer to God/the Lord. I don't think you would really dispute that would you?

I have a nephew who was an American expat in Japan for a number of years. He married a Japanese woman. and adopted a Buddhistic outlook. Once, I had a chance to discuss the evidence with him regarding the greater conspiracy including 9/11 truth over about a 2 hours period of time. I convinced him . . . at least momentarily. Bringing the subject up later, however, he complained that he really couldn't entertain this view because it knocked his pins out and was left with no remaining emotional supports
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby patriotsaint » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:55 am

Jason wrote:
patriotsaint wrote:I like your book list suggested above Jason. I would also suggest the book Imperial Hubris. It's one of the best that I've read so far.


Please tell me more....read some reviews on Amazon and I must admit to be a skeptic of anything coming out of the CIA....especially a lower level analyst that may have a great view of one aspect from him compartment but in terms of the overall macro picture....missing much of the picture.


The author wrote the book as he was in the process of leaving the CIA. Originally it was published anonymously because he feared reprisals. He does a very good job of explaining what the motivations of Al Qaida have been, as well as their very specific demands. He also does a great job dispelling the notion that followers of Islam hate us because of our freedoms etc. He basically shows that our imperialistic meddling is what has earned us the hatred of many people in the world and that it has absolutely nothing to do with religion or freedom.

All topics you are already well versed on, but I think his book is a wonderful starting place for the uninitiated.

Edit: I might be wrong about him leaving the CIA. I'm going off of memory.
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby larsenb » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:04 am

patriotsaint wrote:
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patriotsaint wrote:I like your book list suggested above Jason. I would also suggest the book Imperial Hubris. It's one of the best that I've read so far.


Please tell me more....read some reviews on Amazon and I must admit to be a skeptic of anything coming out of the CIA....especially a lower level analyst that may have a great view of one aspect from him compartment but in terms of the overall macro picture....missing much of the picture.


The author wrote the book as he was in the process of leaving the CIA. Originally it was published anonymously because he feared reprisals. He does a very good job of explaining what the motivations of Al Qaida have been, as well as their very specific demands. He also does a great job dispelling the notion that followers of Islam hate us because of our freedoms etc. He basically shows that our imperialistic meddling is what has earned us the hatred of many people in the world and that it has absolutely nothing to do with religion or freedom.

All topics you are already well versed on, but I think his book is a wonderful starting place for the uninitiated.

Did he write it pre-9/11? I wonder how he may fall out on al-Qaeda being sole perps of 9/11. Maybe he has written something on this issue subsequent to his book?
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby patriotsaint » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:05 am

I believe it was written in 2003
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby larsenb » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:09 am

patriotsaint wrote:I believe it was written in 2003

So, did he say if he bought into the idea that al-Kaeda were directly responsible for 9/11? Too many fascinating books to read; too much to actually DO instead of reading books. Alas.
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby patriotsaint » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:19 am

larsenb wrote:
patriotsaint wrote:I believe it was written in 2003

So, did he say if he bought into the idea that al-Kaeda were directly responsible for 9/11? Too many fascinating books to read; too much to actually DO instead of reading books. Alas.


It's been a few years since I read it. If I remember correctly, he said nothing of conspiracies etc., he simply pointed out that Americas actions come with consequences, and that we will get the same results repeatedly if we don't change course. You won't find any 9-11 theorizing in this book.

I remember he said something to the effect that we either need to fight a bloody offensive war to annihilate all opposition, or change our foreign policy.
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Re: The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

Postby Jason » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:47 am

patriotsaint wrote:
larsenb wrote:
patriotsaint wrote:I believe it was written in 2003

So, did he say if he bought into the idea that al-Kaeda were directly responsible for 9/11? Too many fascinating books to read; too much to actually DO instead of reading books. Alas.


It's been a few years since I read it. If I remember correctly, he said nothing of conspiracies etc., he simply pointed out that Americas actions come with consequences, and that we will get the same results repeatedly if we don't change course. You won't find any 9-11 theorizing in this book.

I remember he said something to the effect that we either need to fight a bloody offensive war to annihilate all opposition, or change our foreign policy.


That was the jist I got from the reviews on Amazon. Of course if you back out and get a little more macro.....and see Halliburton subsidiary KBR hiring Al Qaeda for missions in Bosnia/Serbia/etc.....then the perspective changes quite a bit. Go back further to Al Qaeda's birth via The Safari Club and BCCI and the perspective changes even further.

imo he's pretty low level and compartmentalized.....
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