The Strongest Public Domain Evidence of 9-11 Fraud

[Col. Flaggcaptain of 10,000]

Let me sum up Obiwan's last post for those of you that didn't bother to read it:

"Blah, blah, blah.....I will present no facts, only lame rhetoric claiming that you are all wrong. By the way, I watched the video in question with a brain. Thank you."

Obi Wan is not using the force to determine the truth about 9/11. Actually, Obi Wan, IMO, is being very disingenuous and ignorant RE 9/11 - there is no point in trying to persuade him/her at this point - calling scientific evidence 'a judgment' indicates one of three things - denial, a desire to pull the chains of those who know the truth about it or 100% ignorance. I wouldn't spend another minute trying to convince Obi Wan - it's pointless.

[Markcaptain of 1,000]

Let me sum up Obiwan's last post for those of you that didn't bother to read it:

"Blah, blah, blah.....I will present no facts, only lame rhetoric claiming that you are all wrong. By the way, I watched the video in question with a brain. Thank you."

Obi Wan is not using the force to determine the truth about 9/11. Actually, Obi Wan, IMO, is being very disingenuous and ignorant RE 9/11 - there is no point in trying to persuade him/her at this point - calling scientific evidence 'a judgment' indicates one of three things - denial, a desire to pull the chains of those who know the truth about it or 100% ignorance. I wouldn't spend another minute trying to convince Obi Wan - it's pointless.

Better yet get a rope..

[LoveIsTruthcaptain of 1,000]

I am happy to convince or discuss the issue based on facts and sound reason. Even Jesus spoke to Pharisees, however disingenuous they were, to expose the truth, for two reasons, 1) to save those who would accept the truth, and 2) to condemn those who would reject it, leaving them without any excuse in the day of judgment when everyone shall receive according to what their works have been and how they treated their fellow men.

[InfoWarrior82captain of 1,000]

I think the thing that is so frustrating for those of us who feel strongly that there was shenanigans on 9/11 is that those with opposing views very rarely bring forth evidence to the contrary. What we mostly get is mocking and denial.

[LoveIsTruthcaptain of 1,000]

You are in a good company. EVERYONE who ever spoke the truth in the world was mocked. What did the Lord say? "Fools mock, but they shall mourn" (Ether 12:26)

[Col. Flaggcaptain of 10,000]

Let me sum up Obiwan's last post for those of you that didn't bother to read it:

"Blah, blah, blah.....I will present no facts, only lame rhetoric claiming that you are all wrong. By the way, I watched the video in question with a brain. Thank you."

Obi Wan is not using the force to determine the truth about 9/11. Actually, Obi Wan, IMO, is being very disingenuous and ignorant RE 9/11 - there is no point in trying to persuade him/her at this point - calling scientific evidence 'a judgment' indicates one of three things - denial, a desire to pull the chains of those who know the truth about it or 100% ignorance. I wouldn't spend another minute trying to convince Obi Wan - it's pointless.

Better yet get a rope..

What salsa commercial was that for? 'New York City?' 'Get a rope'!

[Col. Flaggcaptain of 10,000]

I think the thing that is so frustrating for those of us who feel strongly that there was shenanigans on 9/11 is that those with opposing views very rarely bring forth evidence to the contrary. What we mostly get is mocking and denial.

That's what annoys me - the mocking and scorning while denying with nothing but words that seem to egg you on, like some punk trying to pick a fight with you just because. I have no tolerance for that.

[InfoWarrior82captain of 1,000]

Better yet get a rope..

What salsa commercial was that for? 'New York City?' 'Get a rope'!

Pace Picante

[InfoWarrior82captain of 1,000]

[DrJonescaptain of 1,000]

Clearly, many many still have their heads in the sand and resort to mocking, unfortunately. But many are awakening also... A recent poll in Germany asked, in essence, do you think the US Government is telling the truth about 9/11? 89.5% said NO.

Here is the link --

http://911blogger.com/news/2011-01-21/p ... ersion-911

The wording of that German poll is this:

Die Anschläge des 11. September 2001 veränderten die Welt - die USA marschierten in Afghanistan und im Irak ein,

Bürgerrechte wurden massiv beschnitten.
Glauben Sie, dass die US-Regierung der Weltöffentlichkeit die ganze Wahrheit über die Anschläge sagt?

A translation has been sent to me by a German friend, here it is with minor edits:

The attacks of September 11, 2001, changed the world - the US marched into Afghanistan and Iraq. Civil rights were massively cut.
Do you believe that the US government tells the world public the whole truth about the attacks?

To which, in this large poll of the German people, 89.5% responded NO --meaning, they question the US gov't "official story" about the 9/11 attacks...

Thus we see that in some places of the world, at least, many many are "awakening to the awful situation" -- and here I paraphrase Moroni's warning that we awaken in Ether 8: 20 ff.

[JasonI am a nobody!]

Clearly, many many still have their heads in the sand and resort to mocking, unfortunately. But many are awakening also... A recent poll in Germany asked, in essence, do you think the US Government is telling the truth about 9/11? 89.5% said NO.

Here is the link --

http://911blogger.com/news/2011-01-21/p ... ersion-911

The wording of that German poll is this:

Die Anschläge des 11. September 2001 veränderten die Welt - die USA marschierten in Afghanistan und im Irak ein,

Bürgerrechte wurden massiv beschnitten.
Glauben Sie, dass die US-Regierung der Weltöffentlichkeit die ganze Wahrheit über die Anschläge sagt?

A translation has been sent to me by a German friend, here it is with minor edits:

The attacks of September 11, 2001, changed the world - the US marched into Afghanistan and Iraq. Civil rights were massively cut.
Do you believe that the US government tells the world public the whole truth about the attacks?

To which, in this large poll of the German people, 89.5% responded NO --meaning, they question the US gov't "official story" about the 9/11 attacks...

Thus we see that in some places of the world, at least, many many are "awakening to the awful situation" -- and here I paraphrase Moroni's warning that we awaken in Ether 8: 20 ff.

Ahh but most of the world is awake....at least in my travels and experiences. Most of the ignorance resides at home here! In defense, we are also the most heavily propagandized people in the world.

[Col. Flaggcaptain of 10,000]

Ahh but most of the world is awake....at least in my travels and experiences. Most of the ignorance resides at home here! In defense, we are also the most heavily propagandized people in the world.

Sad, but all too true. I saw a you-tube video not too long ago where We Are Change went over to the UK and asked a lot of teenagers questions on the street about 9/11. Many were surprisingly aware of the truth about the buildings being demolished and were educated enough about physics to know buildings do not turn to powder at free fall speed because of a gravity-induced 'collapse'. Then when they came back and began asking USA teenagers the same questions, most didn't even know what the phrase 'inside job' was and said bin Laden did it since that is what they had been told. And it wasn't just with teenagers either.

[JasonI am a nobody!]

Ahh but most of the world is awake....at least in my travels and experiences. Most of the ignorance resides at home here! In defense, we are also the most heavily propagandized people in the world.

Sad, but all too true. I saw a you-tube video not too long ago where We Are Change went over to the UK and asked a lot of teenagers questions on the street about 9/11. Many were surprisingly aware of the truth about the buildings being demolished and were educated enough about physics to know buildings do not turn to powder at free fall speed because of a gravity-induced 'collapse'. Then when they came back and began asking USA teenagers the same questions, most didn't even know what the phrase 'inside job' was and said bin Laden did it since that is what they had been told. And it wasn't just with teenagers either.

Some videos here depicting the general ignorance -
http://www.youtube.com/user/PubliusMMX

[InfoWarrior82captain of 1,000]

I'd like to add to the evidence of this thread by including this thread started by Dr. Jones called 9/11 Evidence: starting with peer-reviewed "Fourteen Points". It's a very good read!

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5396&hilit=fourteen+points

[Silascaptain of 100]

Ok I am going to attempt to do Obiwan's job and play the devils advocate here. I haven't watched all of the videos but what I have seen is fairly convincing. As I said earlier I don't think you need to believe that 9/11 was an inside job in order to be opposed to what the government has done in response to it. So on that part I am in agreement with most here, if we must go to war then let it be done as the constitution prescribes. I am not totally convinced about 9/11 there are some things that seem wrong to me but I am not ready to go all the way and say it was an inside job. Here is what appears a convincing argument against the thermite idea:




How would people here respond to this?

[Silascaptain of 100]

Also I just want to say that I am way excited I embedded a youtube video successfully on my first try! That is all.

[InfoWarrior82captain of 1,000]

How would people here respond to this?

With this:



and this:



Note: The bottom video at 1:15 also proves that the tower did NOT begin to collapse at the supposedly weak spot (the area the plane hit), it began to collapse above that point.

[LoveIsTruthcaptain of 1,000]

I'd also add this starting from 8:30 mark:


This video was posted at the very top of the thread.

The strongest evidence however is not just the flow of molten metal visible in the video, but the Free Fall collapse of Building 7 (WTC7), as well as near free-fall pulverization of WTC 1 and 2 (without the driving weight!), which is a physical impossibility without the use of explosives; as well as multiple collaborated evidence of molten steal samples from the ruins, etc.

[Silascaptain of 100]

I really don't know how to respond to that directly. I really wish my world could stay the way I thought it was. What this would mean is that there was some extremely extensive planning involved here. How would enough thermite be put in place in order to pull this off without anyone noticing? Who would have placed the charges? That would have taken a crew of workers I presume. All with out any sort of remorse for their actions. How could this have been set up without anyone noticing?

[InfoWarrior82captain of 1,000]

I really don't know how to respond to that directly. I really wish my world could stay the way I thought it was. What this would mean is that there was some extremely extensive planning involved here. How would enough thermite be put in place in order to pull this off without anyone noticing? Who would have placed the charges? That would have taken a crew of workers I presume. All with out any sort of remorse for their actions. How could this have been set up without anyone noticing?

Tons of thermate.

Conflict of Interest:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... urity.html

[InfoWarrior82captain of 1,000]

I'd also like to enter this into evidence as exhibit 9834734962

[larsenbcaptain of 1,000]

I'd also like to enter this into evidence as exhibit 9834734962

http://www.youtube.com/v/2iSO1PdvfO4?fs= ]

I'd heard about Rumsfield saying this about a week ago. Couldn't believe it; couldn't wrap my mind around it. Stunning admission . . . . or lie. Incredible!


It makes ex-Sen. Bennett's claim that Bldg 7 came down because a plane hit it, pale in comparison.

Alex mentioned showing a video of Rummy's interview. Anyone have a link to it?

[Janadelecaptain of 100]

If the terrorist attack on the World Trade Centre was manipulated by connections within the US Government then it would mean that Islam has infiltrated the Government of the US. Why then is there not an uprising and a military coup, with Patriotic Americans deposing the President and his cronies?

[JasonI am a nobody!]

[JasonI am a nobody!]

If the terrorist attack on the World Trade Centre was manipulated by connections within the US Government then it would mean that Islam has infiltrated the Government of the US. Why then is there not an uprising and a military coup, with Patriotic Americans deposing the President and his cronies?

LOL....wouldn't it be the opposite....that Islam has been infiltrated???? Look into The Safari Club!

[Janadelecaptain of 100]

If the terrorist attack on the World Trade Centre was manipulated by connections within the US Government then it would mean that Islam has infiltrated the Government of the US. Why then is there not an uprising and a military coup, with Patriotic Americans deposing the President and his cronies?

LOL....wouldn't it be the opposite....that Islam has been infiltrated???? Look into The Safari Club!

I do not understand your mirth or meaning.

[JasonI am a nobody!]

If the terrorist attack on the World Trade Centre was manipulated by connections within the US Government then it would mean that Islam has infiltrated the Government of the US. Why then is there not an uprising and a military coup, with Patriotic Americans deposing the President and his cronies?

LOL....wouldn't it be the opposite....that Islam has been infiltrated???? Look into The Safari Club!

I do not understand your mirth or meaning.

If the terrorist attack on the WTC was manipulated or conducted by factions within the US government - how do you reach the conclusion that Islam has infiltrated the US government?

What does Islam have to do with 9/11????

Research the Safari Club, the BCCI debacle, George H.W. Bush, Iran/Contra affair, CIA, mujahideen (or better yet Al Qaeda - "the database" - of muhahideen who contract out for the MIC - like Halliburton subsidiary KBR - for operations around the world like Bosnia, Kosovo, and of late - Libya), Pakastan ISI, etc.....and how they all relate to each other!

If you want to go even deeper check out the Carlyle Group and the business arrangements between the Bush family and the Bin Laden family. You might also examine their profits from 9/11. There is also the Silverstein, Marvin Bush, Securacom (now Stratesec), United Airlines, Dulles International Airport, etc....matrix for investigation.

Speaking of the Dulles brothers you can dive even deeper and research Allen & John Foster Dulles, BBH (Brown Brothers and Harriman or W. A. Harriman & Company), Prescott Bush, George Herbert Walker, Fritz Thyssen, Adolf Hitler, Sullivan & Cromwell, Union Banking Corporation, I.G. Farben, American Shipping & Commerce, Harriman Fifteen Corporation, Standard Oil of New Jersey, Holland American Trading Corporation, Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation, Supreme Court Justice Arthur Goldberg, James Jesus Angleton, William S. Farish, John D. Rockefeller, Jr., William Gowen, Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart, Baron Kurt Von Schroeder, The August Thyssen Bank, etc....

Then of course one would be remiss not to do the middle work on Operation Zapata, Zapata Oil Company, JFK assassination, Operation Mongoose, ZR/RIFLE program, etc....

Could also examine Eisenhower's involvement/relationship with parties listed above as documented by Robert Welch in his book "The Politician"....delving into such atrocities as Operation Keelhaul, Operation Paperclip, etc.

Operation Keelhaul: The Story of Forced Repatriation by Julius Epstein

Then one would certainly be remiss not to move on to the vagaries of Vietnam economics/politics as encapsulated with the book "Kill Zone" by Marine Corps Sniper Craig Roberts.
http://bousnett.com/rune/webBooks/z-Kil ... derETc.pdf

From there moving to the vageries of the Golden Triangle and heroin as documented by the most decorated special forces operative James "Bo" Gritz in his book "Called to Serve". A plethora of good books dive in around that point and take the ball and run with it with details on the world drug trade, terrorism, and little details like how the Clintons tie in via Mena Arkansas and the laundering of cocaine proceeds.

Here's a brief starting list:

The Politics of Heroin by Alfred McCoy
Out of Control by Leslie Cockburn
Dark Alliance by Gary Webb
Barry & 'the Boys': The CIA, the Mob and America's Secret History by Daniel Hopsicker
Powderburns by Celerino Castillo III & Dave Harmon
The Big White Lie by Michael Levine
Compromised by Terry Reed & John Cummings
Partners in Power by Roger Morris
The Strange Death of Vincent Foster by Christopher Ruddy
The Secret History of the CIA by Joseph John Trento
The Life and Times of Dillon Read by Robert Sobel
Friends in High Places: The Bechtel Story - The Most Secret Corporation and How It Engineered the World by Laton McCartney
The Halliburton Agenda: The Politics of Oil and Money by Dan Briody
House of Bush, House of Saud: The Secret Relationship Between the World's Two Most Powerful Dynasties by Craig Unger
Foundations, Their Power and Influence by Rene Wormser.

...not to leave out -

The Iron Triangle: Inside the Secret World of the Carlyle Group by Dan Briody
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... lyle14.htm

and can't leave this gem out -

War is a Racket by General Smedley D Butler
http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/racket.html

or this one -

None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen
http://www.whale.to/b/allen_b1.html
http://www.captaincanadacrusades.ca/art ... 5B1%5D.pdf
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archi ... piracy.pdf

or this one -

The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve by G. Edward Griffin

[Janadelecaptain of 100]

I know nothing of the above. I believe Islam is our enemy.

[Janadelecaptain of 100]

Jason, Why would you choose such an evil creepy avatar?

[InfoWarrior82captain of 1,000]

I know nothing of the above. I believe Islam is our enemy.

I don't want to speak for Jason, but I'm guessing it was an invitation to look it up. Don't just take his word for it. Perhaps, you may need to be a little more open minded on the subject?