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The companies, and security firms involved in "renovations" at WTC must be thoroughly investigated. As was already mentioned, Bush's family members were on the boards of companies overseeing security at WTC AND at the airport from which alleged "hijackers" allegedly took off.BlueMoon5 wrote:So the carpenters, electricians, plumbers, etc., were "in on it." How could they not have been if they were installing "bombs" (the original theory)? Hmmm. . .let's see, were the remodelers under contract with the Port Authority? Presumably, they were. And the remodeling company agreed to have its workers install explosives in the buildings--is that what you're saying? How much sense does that make? Let's say then the remodeling work was put out for bid, and XYZ Company was the winning bidder. They understood, in submitting their bid, the specific nature of the work to be done, including installing explosives in the three buildings. Would they want to be involved? Obviously not.
Let's say that a foreign company was contracted to do the work (Dr. Jones' theory), and there was no open bidding process (illegal). How do you suppose the NYC trades unions would look upon that? How could that be kept secret?
Even a cursory analysis of the foregoing explanations are studies in absurdity. That's apropos, inasmuch as the entire 9/11 conspiracy theory is a study in absurdity.
LoveIsTruth wrote:The companies, and security firms involved in "renovations" at WTC must be thoroughly investigated. As was already mentioned, Bush's family members were on the boards of companies overseeing security at WTC AND at the airport from which alleged "hijackers" allegedly took off.BlueMoon5 wrote:So the carpenters, electricians, plumbers, etc., were "in on it." How could they not have been if they were installing "bombs" (the original theory)? Hmmm. . .let's see, were the remodelers under contract with the Port Authority? Presumably, they were. And the remodeling company agreed to have its workers install explosives in the buildings--is that what you're saying? How much sense does that make? Let's say then the remodeling work was put out for bid, and XYZ Company was the winning bidder. They understood, in submitting their bid, the specific nature of the work to be done, including installing explosives in the three buildings. Would they want to be involved? Obviously not.
Let's say that a foreign company was contracted to do the work (Dr. Jones' theory), and there was no open bidding process (illegal). How do you suppose the NYC trades unions would look upon that? How could that be kept secret?
Even a cursory analysis of the foregoing explanations are studies in absurdity. That's apropos, inasmuch as the entire 9/11 conspiracy theory is a study in absurdity.
The point is that we have proven Controlled Demolition beyond reasonable doubt (note I say REASONABLE as in HONEST, and not paid government troll, or a person who does not comprehend high-school physics). Now a proper investigation must take place as the official government account of 9-11 is a demonstrable and boldface lie.
Your argument is absurd in the extreme as that of someone who asserts that no murder took place despite of video-footage, the knife, and eyewitnesses who witnessed it, only because we do not know what toothpaste the assassin used in the morning, or what bus or car he took to get there. It is irrelevant! We have videotape of the murder. We know IT TOOK PLACE. How it was done, is IRRELEVANT to the reality and fact that IT DID TAKE PLACE. We have unimpeachable evidence that Controlled Demolition did indeed take place. HOW precisely it was done will be answered in the investigation.
It's like saying the Sun is not shining because I don't know precisely how the Sun was made! The knowledge of how it was made is irrelevant to the FACT that it is shining!
You reasoning is a study in absurdity, distortion and lies! EVIDENCE is king. EVIDENCE. Irrefutable EVIDENCE says Controlled Demolition did indeed take place. HOW exactly it was done is irrelevant to the fact that it WAS done!

In my humble opinion, he is a paid government troll. It all adds up, according to him he is ex-military, and ex-English professor. I guess they came to him and said, "how would you like to make some extra money," etc. His IQ is fine, his integrity is not. He is a paid liar.Truth B Known wrote:L.I.T., trying to get BM to see the light on this issue is like leading a horse to water... but you can't make him drink. IMHO, he is either intellectually dishonest or has the IQ of a 10 year old.
He's a narcissist, and narcissists can't be wrong. It's sad.LoveIsTruth wrote:In my humble opinion, he is a paid government troll. It all adds up, according to him he is ex-military, and ex-English professor. I guess they came to him and said, "how would you like to make some extra money," etc. His IQ is fine, his integrity is not. He is a paid liar.Truth B Known wrote:L.I.T., trying to get BM to see the light on this issue is like leading a horse to water... but you can't make him drink. IMHO, he is either intellectually dishonest or has the IQ of a 10 year old.


To my knowledge, she has never once complimented any truther on their research, compilation videos, presentations, giving lectures to classrooms full of people, etc. (By all means, prove me wrong, nat. In the meantime, here's one more of these for ya...
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Nope. They arrived at their conclusions a long while ago.LoveIsTruth wrote:BlueMoon5 wrote:So the carpenters, electricians, plumbers, etc., were "in on it." How could they not have been if they were installing "bombs" (the original theory)? Hmmm. . .let's see, were the remodelers under contract with the Port Authority? Presumably, they were. And the remodeling company agreed to have its workers install explosives in the buildings--is that what you're saying? How much sense does that make? Let's say then the remodeling work was put out for bid, and XYZ Company was the winning bidder. They understood, in submitting their bid, the specific nature of the work to be done, including installing explosives in the three buildings. Would they want to be involved? Obviously not.
Let's say that a foreign company was contracted to do the work (Dr. Jones' theory), and there was no open bidding process (illegal). How do you suppose the NYC trades unions would look upon that? How could that be kept secret?
Even a cursory analysis of the foregoing explanations are studies in absurdity. That's apropos, inasmuch as the entire 9/11 conspiracy theory is a study in absurdity.The companies, and security firms involved in "renovations" at WTC must be thoroughly investigated.
Yes, indeed. Just sure as shootin' they're guilty as sin based on ah, er, eh. . . .: As was already mentioned, Bush's family members were on the boards of companies overseeing security at WTC AND at the airport from which alleged "hijackers" allegedly took off.
Here we see clear evidence of the conjectorial, guilty-until-proven-innoncent conspiratorial mind fully deployed.: The point is that we have proven Controlled Demolition beyond reasonable doubt. . . .
You have proven no such thing. If you had done so, why would an investigation be necessary? The following is instructive:
Belivers spend most of their time in blissful ignorance. . . . Some Believers get their worldview from watching or reading the news, most get it by osmosis, by referring to what 'most people think' as a guide. . . . The reason for Believers' hate of the Questioner is based on the fact that the Questioner, simply by posing the question, succeeds in momentarily jolting the Believer out of his blissful ignorance. This momentary jolt is painful, which causes the Believer to recoil at whatever idea the Questioner had. . .created." (Source: Someone Would Have Talked): (note I say REASONABLE as in HONEST, and not paid government troll, or a person who does not comprehend high-school physics).
Yawn, another personal attack. Unable to argue the merits of your, ah, "conspiracy," you are reduced to attacking me personally. Rather shameful, don't you think?: Now a proper investigation must take place as the official government account of 9-11 is a demonstrable and boldface lie.
Again, inasmuch as you have already proven your case, why not simply take all of your "compelling," "irrefutable" evidence to a DA? And be sure to tell the DA that one Truther has claimed that the members of the 9/11 Commission were "paid liars.": Your argument is absurd in the extreme as that of someone who asserts that no murder took place despite of video-footage, the knife, and eyewitnesses who witnessed it, only because we do not know what toothpaste the assassin used in the morning, or what bus or car he took to get there. It is irrelevant! We have videotape of the murder. We know IT TOOK PLACE. How it was done, is IRRELEVANT to the reality and fact that IT DID TAKE PLACE. We have unimpeachable evidence that Controlled Demolition did indeed take place. HOW precisely it was done will be answered in the investigation.
Are you getting dizzy from talking in circles? If you have "unimpeachable evidence that CD did indeed take place," take it to court. What you want is a fishing license.: It's like saying the Sun is not shining because I don't know precisely how the Sun was made! The knowledge of how it was made is irrelevant to the FACT that it is shining!
Nice but lame (and laughable) try at an analogy. A dead body is not proof a crime was committed. A prosecutor must be able to show how the body stopped living.: You reasoning is a study in absurdity, distortion and lies! EVIDENCE is king. EVIDENCE. Irrefutable EVIDENCE says Controlled Demolition did indeed take place. HOW exactly it was done is irrelevant to the fact that it WAS done!
LoveIsTruth wrote:In my humble opinion, he is a paid government troll. It all adds up, according to him he is ex-military, and ex-English professor. I guess they came to him and said, "how would you like to make some extra money," etc. His IQ is fine, his integrity is not. He is a paid liar.Truth B Known wrote:L.I.T., trying to get BM to see the light on this issue is like leading a horse to water... but you can't make him drink. IMHO, he is either intellectually dishonest or has the IQ of a 10 year old.
Rob wrote:He's a narcissist, and narcissists can't be wrong. It's sad.LoveIsTruth wrote:In my humble opinion, he is a paid government troll. It all adds up, according to him he is ex-military, and ex-English professor. I guess they came to him and said, "how would you like to make some extra money," etc. His IQ is fine, his integrity is not. He is a paid liar.Truth B Known wrote:L.I.T., trying to get BM to see the light on this issue is like leading a horse to water... but you can't make him drink. IMHO, he is either intellectually dishonest or has the IQ of a 10 year old.![]()
: And who's gone over to the taler side of the argument because of him? Natasha? Nope. She was already anti-truth and, more to the point, anti-truther. She's been his cheerleader since the day he arrived, what with her lauding his research (what research?!) and, despite his trolling, lambasting us for our alleged ill treatment of this "fine LDS brother", all the while giving him carte blanche to say whatever he would about us. Good grief.![]()
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To my knowledge, she has never once complimented any truther on their research, compilation videos, presentations, giving lectures to classrooms full of people, etc. (By all means, prove me wrong, nat. In the meantime, here's one more of these for ya...
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: How about Durango, or Mark?Nope. They arrived at their conclusions a long while ago.
: If someone has hired him, you'd think they'd have enough sense (present evidence to the contrary) to stop by and check things out every once in a while, and then fire him for gross incompetence.
Think about this. If he was hired, it was by other people who are paid to promote lies on the internet. (We have posted references where government officials called for government infiltration of truth forums to bring in a "balance" of lies). BM5 is doing a good job under the circumstances. I mean if you were hired to be a devils advocate, could you have done much better? He has no leg to stand on, but he still grasps at every straw and puts up a barrage of verbiage that to ignorant people like Natasha seem reasonable because they can't handle the truth, nor understand high-school physics.Rob wrote:If someone has hired him, you'd think they'd have enough sense (present evidence to the contrary) to stop by and check things out every once in a while, and then fire him for gross incompetence.

Courts are largely controlled by the gadiantons. What is needed is a shift in public opinion where lie cannot hide anymore.BlueMoon5 wrote:Are you getting dizzy from talking in circles? If you have "unimpeachable evidence that CD did indeed take place," take it to court. What you want is a fishing license.
We proved that a murder took place, or in other words, we prooved that controlled demolition with explosives took place; we have shown the motive; we have shown the possible means of execution i.e. ability, and we have shown that the official story of 9-11 is a blatant and patent lie. Now we have basis to call for an empowered investigation which will answer the exact details of how the crime was carried out.BlueMoon5 wrote:In a criminal case, the prosecutor must be able to explain HOW the crime was committed. Juries aren't likely to convict based on guesswork, which is a distinguishing hallmark of the conspiracy crowd.
LoveIsTruth wrote:Rob wrote:If someone has hired him, you'd think they'd have enough sense (present evidence to the contrary) to stop by and check things out every once in a while, and then fire him for gross incompetence.: Think about this. If he was hired, it was by other people who are paid to promote lies on the internet. (We have posted references where government officials called for government infiltration of truth forums to bring in a "balance" of lies). BM5 is doing a good job under the circumstances. I mean if you were hired to be a devils advocate, could you have done much better? He has no leg to stand on, but he still grasps at every straw and puts up a barrage of verbiage that to ignorant people like Natasha seem reasonable because they can't handle the truth, nor understand high-school physics.
Your insistence that I am in the employ of the government (or any other entity) demonstrates your proclivity for concocting conspiracies out of thin air. Little wonder then, is it, that you think three huge buildings were prepped for CD in total secrecy, and no one--after circa 11 years--
has come forward to provide credible, direct eyewitness testimony so stating. (I see you couldn't resist taking a cheap shot at Natasha, a circumstance that, in truth, comes as no surprise; you are who you are.): But the more BM5 writes, the more people get convinced of government lie, and the stronger the truth gets, because truth always gets stronger under closer examination, and lie gets weaker. That is the difference between a lie and the truth, they behave diametrically opposite under scrutiny. That's why truth ALWAYS wins! Fighting it is like fighting God, you cannot win.
Such words of stunning, breathtaking wisdom should be engraved in. . .paper-mache.: So my complements to you BM5! Your opposition promoted the truth in a mighty way! If you got paid for this, these were money well spent. We needed a punching bag! And your loony theories were it. And boy, we had fun with it!
BlueMoon5 wrote:Oops, you left out Loran Blood--he who has handed the conspiracists their collective heads on a platter, and has left you blubbering.
Exactly my point!Thomas wrote:If he is a government troll, then the government is wasting their money. The more Blue debates this subject, the more people are exposed to the truth. The truth always benefits from exposure. The less 9/11 gets talked about, the better for those who wish to hide the truth.
Strange, I don't remember him posting in this thread. He would've been shredded.BlueMoon5 wrote:Oops, you left out Loran Blood--he who has handed the conspiracists their collective heads on a platter, and has left you blubbering.
Both of these propositions are true. And, besides, don't you know that it is NOT necessary to have a confession of the perpetrator to convict him?BlueMoon5 wrote:Your insistence that I am in the employ of the government (or any other entity) demonstrates your proclivity for concocting conspiracies out of thin air. Little wonder then, is it, that you think three huge buildings were prepped for CD in total secrecy, and no one--after circa 11 years--
has come forward to provide credible, direct eyewitness testimony so stating.
: But the more BM5 writes, the more people get convinced of government lie, and the stronger the truth gets, because truth always gets stronger under closer examination, and lie gets weaker. That is the difference between a lie and the truth, they behave diametrically opposite under scrutiny. That's why truth ALWAYS wins! Fighting it is like fighting God, you cannot win.
Well, thank you! Please do. And put it on your desk, next to the keyboard.BlueMoon5 wrote:Such words of stunning, breathtaking wisdom should be engraved in. . .paper-mache.
: So my complements to you BM5! Your opposition promoted the truth in a mighty way! If you got paid for this, these were money well spent. We needed a punching bag! And your loony theories were it. And boy, we had fun with it!
Yes, keep that in mind.BlueMoon5 wrote:It's always a good idea to put on a happy face, even when you've been thoroughly thrashed.
Truth B Known wrote:LoveIsTruth wrote:The companies, and security firms involved in "renovations" at WTC must be thoroughly investigated. As was already mentioned, Bush's family members were on the boards of companies overseeing security at WTC AND at the airport from which alleged "hijackers" allegedly took off.BlueMoon5 wrote:So the carpenters, electricians, plumbers, etc., were "in on it." How could they not have been if they were installing "bombs" (the original theory)? Hmmm. . .let's see, were the remodelers under contract with the Port Authority? Presumably, they were. And the remodeling company agreed to have its workers install explosives in the buildings--is that what you're saying? How much sense does that make? Let's say then the remodeling work was put out for bid, and XYZ Company was the winning bidder. They understood, in submitting their bid, the specific nature of the work to be done, including installing explosives in the three buildings. Would they want to be involved? Obviously not.
Let's say that a foreign company was contracted to do the work (Dr. Jones' theory), and there was no open bidding process (illegal). How do you suppose the NYC trades unions would look upon that? How could that be kept secret?
Even a cursory analysis of the foregoing explanations are studies in absurdity. That's apropos, inasmuch as the entire 9/11 conspiracy theory is a study in absurdity.
The point is that we have proven Controlled Demolition beyond reasonable doubt (note I say REASONABLE as in HONEST, and not paid government troll, or a person who does not comprehend high-school physics). Now a proper investigation must take place as the official government account of 9-11 is a demonstrable and boldface lie.
Your argument is absurd in the extreme as that of someone who asserts that no murder took place despite of video-footage, the knife, and eyewitnesses who witnessed it, only because we do not know what toothpaste the assassin used in the morning, or what bus or car he took to get there. It is irrelevant! We have videotape of the murder. We know IT TOOK PLACE. How it was done, is IRRELEVANT to the reality and fact that IT DID TAKE PLACE. We have unimpeachable evidence that Controlled Demolition did indeed take place. HOW precisely it was done will be answered in the investigation.
It's like saying the Sun is not shining because I don't know precisely how the Sun was made! The knowledge of how it was made is irrelevant to the FACT that it is shining!
You reasoning is a study in absurdity, distortion and lies! EVIDENCE is king. EVIDENCE. Irrefutable EVIDENCE says Controlled Demolition did indeed take place. HOW exactly it was done is irrelevant to the fact that it WAS done!
L.I.T., trying to get BM to see the light on this issue is like leading a horse to water... but you can't make him drink. IMHO, he is either intellectually dishonest or has the IQ of a 10 year old.
LoveIsTruth wrote:In my humble opinion, he is a paid government troll. It all adds up, according to him he is ex-military, and ex-English professor. I guess they came to him and said, "how would you like to make some extra money," etc. His IQ is fine, his integrity is not. He is a paid liar.Truth B Known wrote:L.I.T., trying to get BM to see the light on this issue is like leading a horse to water... but you can't make him drink. IMHO, he is either intellectually dishonest or has the IQ of a 10 year old.
BlueMoon5 wrote:
Oops, you left out Loran Blood--he who has handed the conspiracists their collective heads on a platter, and has left you blubbering.
LoveIsTruth wrote:BlueMoon5 wrote:Are you getting dizzy from talking in circles? If you have "unimpeachable evidence that CD did indeed take place," take it to court. What you want is a fishing license.: Courts are largely controlled by the gadiantons.
Astonishing. Presumably you have credible evidence to support your assertion. You do? Please post it.: What is needed is a shift in public opinion where lie cannot hide anymore.
Indeed, so post your credible evidence.BlueMoon5 wrote:In a criminal case, the prosecutor must be able to explain HOW the crime was committed. Juries aren't likely to convict based on guesswork, which is a distinguishing hallmark of the conspiracy crowd.: We proved that a murder took place, or in other words, we prooved that controlled demolition with explosives took place; we have shown the motive; we have shown the possible means of execution i.e. ability, and we have shown that the official story of 9-11 is a blatant and patent lie. Now we have basis to call for an empowered investigation which will answer the exact details of how the crime was carried out.
BlueMoon5 wrote:
Nonsense. You haven't proved that any murders took place. . .you haven't proved that CD brought down the buildings. . .you haven't proved motive. . .you haven't proved "the possible means of execution". . .and you haven't proved that the 9/11 Commission's findings constitute a "blatant and patient lie". .


7cylon7 wrote:if is looks like a moron, smells like a moron, acts like a moron, types like a moron, lies like a moron... then what... it is.
bluemoon5
Your response is tantamount to saying Na-ah, and it is a lie. This thread, from the first post on, is full of strong and often unimpeachable evidence. You have lied. I guess that makes you a liar, but we already knew that. If you have something more than na-ah, please do share. Otherwise, accept our correct characterization of what you are.BlueMoon5 wrote:Nonsense. You haven't proved that any murders took place. . .you haven't proved that CD brought down the buildings. . .you haven't proved motive. . .you haven't proved "the possible means of execution". . .and you haven't proved that the 9/11 Commission's findings constitute a "blatant and patient lie". You can't haul someone into court on the basis of conjecture, supposition, innuendo, inference, presumption, suspicion, coincidences, hunches, opinions, and shots in the dark. You lack even the rudimentary elements of a credible case. Specifically, you don't know when the alleged crime took place. . .you don't know where they obtained exotic NT. . .you don't know how/where they stored it. . .you don't know who installed it or how many were involved. . .you don't have a credible witness to testify that he/she saw the installation process as it was happening or saw evidence of installation. . .you cannot prove motive. . .you cannot cite evidence that even three independent labs found NT in dust from ground zero. . .your so-called video "documentaries" are best described as propaganda pieces. . .the testimony of your building-collapse experts is readily challenged by experts of equal if not greater standing. You would be shredded on cross-examination ( a moot point because no court would schedule your "case" for trial).
In short, the reason you haven't attracted the attention of the applicable DA or a grand jury is that your conspiracy theory is a load of chicken droppings.

freedomfighter wrote:Is someone writing a book? Page 97 is coming up, and "still" no resolve.
7 Facts about Building 7
1) If fire caused Building 7 to collapse, it would be the first ever fire-induced collapse of a steel-frame high-rise. So what?--proves nothing.
2) Building 7’s collapse was not mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report. So what?--proves nothing.
3) According to a Zogby poll in 2006, 43% of Americans did not know about Building 7. So what?--proves nothing.
4) It took the federal government seven years to conduct an investigation and issue a report for Building 7. So what?--proves nothing.
5) 1,500+ architects and engineers have signed a petition calling for a new investigation into the destruction of Building 7, specifying that it should include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives. So what?--proves nothing.
6) Numerous witnesses say the possibility of demolishing Building 7 was widely discussed by emergency personnel at the scene and advocated by the building’s owner. So what?--proves nothing.
7) Building 7 housed several intelligence and law enforcement agencies, and the NYC Office of Emergency Management’s Emergency Operations Center, more commonly known as “Giuliani’s Bunker”. So what?--proves nothing.
In addition to the Twin Towers and Building 7, the World Trade Center complex included buildings 3, 4, 5, and 6. Compared to Building 7, all of these buildings were severely damaged, first by falling rubble from the tower collapses, then by fires that burned for hours. Although these buildings were in critical condition, none of them collapsed. So what?--proves nothing.
Source: http://rememberbuilding7.org/7-facts-about-building-7/
BlueMoon5 wrote:7cylon7 wrote:if is looks like a moron, smells like a moron, acts like a moron, types like a moron, lies like a moron... then what... it is.
bluemoon5
This is a loathsome, despicable personal attack; it says volumes more about you than about me.
It is, however, not lacking in irony, as in "If IS looks like a moron. . . ." Your're not exactly an award-winning typist yourself, are you?
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