4 more years of Obama

[Original_Intent]

So much for the guaranteed victory for King Hezekiah.

Hopefully some will humble themselves and ask God what went wrong.

[gr8ideas]

Destruction could not come except a majority of the people choose contrary to that which is right. The choice has been made. Buckle up! (

[Thomas]

Destruction could not come except a majority of the people choose contrary to that which is right. The choice has been made. Buckle up! (

Why were the Lamanites spared for so long then?

[LateOutOfBed]

Destruction could not come except a majority of the people choose contrary to that which is right. The choice has been made. Buckle up! (

Why were the Lamanites spared for so long then?

Why have we been spared for so long?

[Thomas]

Destruction could not come except a majority of the people choose contrary to that which is right. The choice has been made. Buckle up! (

Why were the Lamanites spared for so long then?

Why have we been spared for so long?

Do you think we have another 1200 years?

[Nan]

So much for the guaranteed victory for King Hezekiah.

Hopefully some will humble themselves and ask God what went wrong.

Actually this post isn't very humble either.

[lundbaek]

Another Obama presidency otta energize more Americans to learn for themselves what the US Constitution was originally to do for us and hammer on their representatives in Congress to bring our FedGov into compliance with it. At least we won't have an LDS president leading people who should know better still further away from support of a restoration of constitutional principles in government.

[Sariel]

At least we won't have an LDS president leading people who should know better still further away from support of a restoration of constitutional principles in government.

True...true...

[gr8ideas]

To give us all a chance to choose with a clear choice before us. Here there is no muddy ground only the black and white of truth and lies. In the last election the choice was between Bush's muddy waters and Obama's new hope and change but this time we all know what side of the river we needed to be on. Anything but the choice we have made was a choice for light and the nation has chosen darkness. What and when the Lord responds is in his purview.

[A Random Phrase]

Destruction could not come except a majority of the people choose contrary to that which is right. The choice has been made. Buckle up! (

Why were the Lamanites spared for so long then?

The promise made to them was that they would be spared, whilst the Nephites would not. Read the Book of Mormon. It explains all this.

[Thomas]

A Random Phrase wrote:The promise made to them was that they would be spared, whilst the Nephites would not. Read the Book of Mormon. It explains all this

I see it more of a case of the Nephites being given the law and warned about the consquences of breaking that law. The Lamanites were spared because they did not have the same opportunities to recieve the law. The Nephites' sin was greater.

I see the Obama choice , by the majoity of this country, as safer than the Romney choice would have been. Romney has basically the same policies as Obama. He is promoting war, oppression of the poor, loss of liberty for the masses. To support these policies, with the opportunity to know better is the greater sin.

[A Random Phrase]

That's true, Thomas. The Book of Mormon explains that, also. Those who have the law are under greater condemnation than those who don't have it.

Very good points about Obama vs Romney.

[Elias Returns]

"And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you; yea, then is the time he will visit you with great destruction even as he has hitherto visited this land."-Mosiah 29:27

[Fairminded]

After the coming of Christ to America all Nephites and Lamanites were one people. They all had the law, and the Lamanites turned away from it. The Nephites professed to follow it while indulging in horrible wickedness and so were destroyed.

There's a good lesson: it's far more offensive in God's eyes to sin in His name and call it righteousness than it is to sin knowing full well what you're doing. There's a reason Jesus came down so hard on hypocrites during his earthly ministry. Those who think they're good are capable of far greater evil than those who recognize themselves as sinners.

[Jason]

So much for the guaranteed victory for King Hezekiah.

Hopefully some will humble themselves and ask God what went wrong.

I believe that street goes in two directions....

At the end of the day the people made a choice....and they'll reap what they sow....for better or worse!

[Original_Intent]

So much for the guaranteed victory for King Hezekiah.

Hopefully some will humble themselves and ask God what went wrong.

I believe that street goes in two directions....

At the end of the day the people made a choice....and they'll reap what they sow....for better or worse!

Yeah, I left myself wide open for that. I'll just say I was not on here promising a Mitt Romney presidency, and forcing scriptural interpretation based on how I thought things should happen.

I've been on me knees a lot lately, and I'll tell you what went wrong, although I think you at least already know. The people, including the members of the church, have abandoned principle and elect politicians in all offices, not based on any standard, but based on how much they perceive it will benefit them or their cause. Even if the cause is as laudable as wanting the missionary work to expand - God doesn;t want us to abandon principle in order to reach an end, he wants us to be righteous, and then HE will worry about the ends. And I think He has repeatedly taught us, by the school of hard knocks, that when we decide we know best and try to take over the program that we ALWAYS are going to fail.

But, assuming we have a country in four years, I guarantee it will be "the most important election of our lifetimes" and "we MUST vote for Socialism A candidate to avoid the TURRIBLE TURRIBLE Socialism B candidate from getting elected!" I suspect that the demon of the left will be Hillary Clinton as she is about the only person left that can further divide the country after Obama gets done.

Point taken, though - NONE of us is as humble as they need to be - that's a given. I just think those that proclaimed Mitt as God's choice and declared that he WOULD be president need an extra helping of humble pie. And those that are declaring that any LDS who was against Romney should be "ashamed of themselves" - even though I have plenty of my own problems, I expect some crow will be eaten regarding those comments.

[Andrew52]

To give us all a chance to choose with a clear choice before us. Here there is no muddy ground only the black and white of truth and lies. In the last election the choice was between Bush's muddy waters and Obama's new hope and change but this time we all know what side of the river we needed to be on. Anything but the choice we have made was a choice for light and the nation has chosen darkness. What and when the Lord responds is in his purview.

AMEN! Darkness prevailed. That is the ONLY reason Mitt Romney lost this election. It had nothing to do with they way he campaigned, or all the other horrible things said about a good man!
It had everything to do with this Nation does not want a man who DOES NOT believe in gay marriage. This Nation wants nothing to do with a man who would STOP welfare fraud and secure the borders. This Nation's people are takers not givers. Just keep working folks, somebody has to pay the taxes. And have a good day!

[gr8ideas]

What many here don't seem to realize is that there is a great difference between darkness and light. Various shads of light caused them to want Romney or Paul or someone else that had Constitutional principles woven into their political positions. But darkness is lies, miss statements, inueando, miss direction, spin spin spin, dirty tricks, socialism, communism, maoism, progressive Chicago politics. If we can teach ourselves to choose light and not darkness we are choosing where we will dwell in the next relms. Where do we go when we choose darkness? +1 Andrew52 8-|

[Andrew52]

[durangout]

To give us all a chance to choose with a clear choice before us. Here there is no muddy ground only the black and white of truth and lies. In the last election the choice was between Bush's muddy waters and Obama's new hope and change but this time we all know what side of the river we needed to be on. Anything but the choice we have made was a choice for light and the nation has chosen darkness. What and when the Lord responds is in his purview.

Well said.

[InfoWarrior82]

The people, including the members of the church, have abandoned principle and elect politicians in all offices, not based on any standard, but based on how much they perceive it will benefit them or their cause. Even if the cause is as laudable as wanting the missionary work to expand - God doesn;t want us to abandon principle in order to reach an end, he wants us to be righteous, and then HE will worry about the ends. And I think He has repeatedly taught us, by the school of hard knocks, that when we decide we know best and try to take over the program that we ALWAYS are going to fail.

Well said.

[Andrew52]

[Fielding]

To give us all a chance to choose with a clear choice before us. Here there is no muddy ground only the black and white of truth and lies. In the last election the choice was between Bush's muddy waters and Obama's new hope and change but this time we all know what side of the river we needed to be on. Anything but the choice we have made was a choice for light and the nation has chosen darkness. What and when the Lord responds is in his purview.

AMEN! Darkness prevailed. That is the ONLY reason Mitt Romney lost this election. It had nothing to do with they way he campaigned, or all the other horrible things said about a good man!
It had everything to do with this Nation does not want a man who DOES NOT believe in gay marriage. This Nation wants nothing to do with a man who would STOP welfare fraud and secure the borders. This Nation's people are takers not givers. Just keep working folks, somebody has to pay the taxes. And have a good day!

I agree with you Andrew: Satan has a windfall, he has an enormous harvest in progress. The majority have clearly chosen evil and there is going to be Hell to pay. Not that Mitt would have fixed anything, but in the present environment a true patriot could not even get nominated, much less elected. Our nation is ripe. Maybe we are getting a small taste of the Mormon and Moroni had to witness. It doesn't taste very good to me.

[lundbaek]

"Even if the cause is as laudable as wanting the missionary work to expand - God doesn;t want us to abandon principle in order to reach an end, he wants us to be righteous, and then HE will worry about the ends."

Well, it appears that Mitt Romney did ignore the principles of government given us by the Lord. And so have probably most LDS voters. At least now he will not lead people who should know better still further away from support of a restoration of constitutional principles in government.

[Jason]

So much for the guaranteed victory for King Hezekiah.

Hopefully some will humble themselves and ask God what went wrong.

I believe that street goes in two directions....

At the end of the day the people made a choice....and they'll reap what they sow....for better or worse!

Yeah, I left myself wide open for that. I'll just say I was not on here promising a Mitt Romney presidency, and forcing scriptural interpretation based on how I thought things should happen.

I've been on me knees a lot lately, and I'll tell you what went wrong, although I think you at least already know. The people, including the members of the church, have abandoned principle and elect politicians in all offices, not based on any standard, but based on how much they perceive it will benefit them or their cause. Even if the cause is as laudable as wanting the missionary work to expand - God doesn;t want us to abandon principle in order to reach an end, he wants us to be righteous, and then HE will worry about the ends. And I think He has repeatedly taught us, by the school of hard knocks, that when we decide we know best and try to take over the program that we ALWAYS are going to fail.

But, assuming we have a country in four years, I guarantee it will be "the most important election of our lifetimes" and "we MUST vote for Socialism A candidate to avoid the TURRIBLE TURRIBLE Socialism B candidate from getting elected!" I suspect that the demon of the left will be Hillary Clinton as she is about the only person left that can further divide the country after Obama gets done.

Point taken, though - NONE of us is as humble as they need to be - that's a given. I just think those that proclaimed Mitt as God's choice and declared that he WOULD be president need an extra helping of humble pie. And those that are declaring that any LDS who was against Romney should be "ashamed of themselves" - even though I have plenty of my own problems, I expect some crow will be eaten regarding those comments.

Well at the end of the day the people voted....for better or worse. That includes those who didn't vote formally. That includes those who ignore or participate in election fraud.

At the end of the day the people will reap what they have sown. Such is life.

Any candidate today, no matter how principled, will not get elected. The people must first repent. If the candidate is principled he will have to give off the appearance that he is not and pandering to the will of the people. My hope with Mitt Romney was he as talking the talk but his walk would be based on his foundation. I suppose I'll never know now (unless he's also planning a 2016 run like I suspect that Ron Paul is). Perhaps he would have been a turd....who knows.

Everyone has their own set of priorities which they measure their candidates against. Arguments could be made for and against every single candidate in the running. I personally don't care to the extent that I've done my duty and cast my vote to the lot....and let the chips fall where they may. Unfortunately today I find myself in the minority....such is life. I can't imagine how Ether felt as the lone man hiding in the cavity of a rock. For the most part I am surrounded with good brothers and sisters trying to do what's right in a very wicked world. This is what I take joy in and look forward to the great days to come!

These are more for me than anyone else....but they've helped me and perhaps will help someone else!

We see today all of these evils, more commonly and generally, than they have ever been seen before, as we have so recently been reminded by what has occurred in New York City, Washington, and Pennsylvania, of which I shall speak tomorrow morning. We live in a season when fierce men do terrible and despicable things. We live in a season of war. We live in a season of arrogance. We live in a season of wickedness, pornography, immorality. All of the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah haunt our society. Our young people have never faced a greater challenge. We have never seen more clearly the lecherous face of evil.

And so, my brothers and sisters, we are met together in this great conference to fortify and strengthen one another, to help and lift one another, to give encouragement and build faith, to reflect on the wonderful things the Lord has made available to us, and to strengthen our resolve to oppose evil in whatever form it may take.

We have become as a great army. We are now a people of consequence. Our voice is heard when we speak up. We have demonstrated our strength in meeting adversity. Our strength is our faith in the Almighty. No cause under the heavens can stop the work of God. Adversity may raise its ugly head. The world may be troubled with wars and rumors of wars, but this cause will go forward.

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One of the most difficult challenges in our lives is to be in the world but not of the world (see John 15:19). Gospel doctrine makes it clear that we must live in this world to achieve our eternal destination. We must be tried and tested and found worthy of a greater kingdom (see 2 Nephi 2:11; D&C 101:78). We must do as Abraham did when he pitched his tent and built “an altar unto the Lord” (Genesis 13:18) and not do as Lot did when he “pitched his tent toward Sodom” (Genesis 13:12).

We cannot avoid the world. A cloistered existence is not the answer. In a positive sense, our contribution to the world is part of our challenge and is essential if we are to develop our talents.

We inevitably must make choices. If we know the doctrines and principles of the gospel, we can make wise decisions. If our lives are pure, the Spirit will guide us. Then we will be able to symbolically pitch our tents toward the temple (see Genesis 13:18) and the covenants we have made to the Lord, and we will be in the world and not of the world.

We must do as Abraham did when he pitched his tent and built “an altar unto the Lord,” and not do as Lot did when he “pitched his tent toward Sodom.”

If our lives are pure, the Spirit will guide us. Then we will be able to symbolically pitch our tents toward the temple and the covenants we have made to the Lord.

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As a new year begins and we try to benefit from a proper view of what has gone before, I plead with you not to dwell on days now gone nor to yearn vainly for yesterdays, however good those yesterdays may have been. The past is to be learned from but not lived in. We look back to claim the embers from glowing experiences but not the ashes. And when we have learned what we need to learn and have brought with us the best that we have experienced, then we look ahead and remember that faith is always pointed toward the future. Faith always has to do with blessings and truths and events that will yet be efficacious in our lives.

So a more theological way to talk about Lot’s wife is to say that she did not have faith. She doubted the Lord’s ability to give her something better than she already had. Apparently, she thought that nothing that lay ahead could possibly be as good as what she was leaving behind.

To yearn to go back to a world that cannot be lived in now, to be perennially dissatisfied with present circumstances and have only dismal views of the future, and to miss the here and now and tomorrow because we are so trapped in the there and then and yesterday are some of the sins of Lot’s wife.

Dismiss the destructive, and keep dismissing it until the beauty of the Atonement of Christ has revealed to you your bright future and the bright future of your family, your friends, and your neighbors. God doesn’t care nearly as much about where you have been as He does about where you are and, with His help, where you are willing to go. That is the thing Lot’s wife didn’t get—and neither did Laman and Lemuel and a host of others in the scriptures.

This is an important matter to consider at the start of a new year—and every day ought to be the start of a new year and a new life. Such is the wonder of faith, repentance, and the miracle of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

To all such of every generation, I call out, “Remember Lot’s wife.” Faith is for the future. Faith builds on the past but never longs to stay there. Faith trusts that God has great things in store for each of us and that Christ truly is the “high priest of good things to come” (Hebrews 9:11).

Keep your eyes on your dreams, however distant and far away. Live to see the miracles of repentance and forgiveness, of trust and divine love that will transform your life today, tomorrow, and forever.

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And so it returns, as it always does, to your own personal faith and testimony. That is the difference-maker, my young brothers and sisters. That is how you know. That is how you avoid the mistakes of the past and take your spirituality to the next level. If you are open and receptive to the whisperings of the Holy Spirit in your lives, you will understand the lessons of the past, and they will be burned into your souls by the power of your testimonies.

And how do you get such a testimony? Well, there’s no new technology for that, nor will there ever be. You cannot do a Google search to gain a testimony. You can’t text message faith. You gain a vibrant, life-changing testimony today the same way it has always been done. The process hasn’t been changed. It comes through desire, study, prayer, obedience, and service. That is why the teachings of prophets and apostles, past and present, are as relevant to your life today as they ever have been.

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