Latinos and the Immigration Question

Discuss principles, issues, news and candidates related to upcoming elections and voting.
embryopocket
captain of 100
Posts: 522

Re: Latinos and the Immigration Question

Post by embryopocket »

Justice vs. Mercy, which do we decide? For those that have lived in Latinoamerican countries, you know how bad things can be down there (economic situation, violence, culture, etc.). Lots of the people that try to enter this country illegally are normal men and women that want work so that they can send money home to their starving children. But, we know that the house of the Lord is a house of order and that as members we must uphold the laws of the land. But are the laws that are in place good? Here is my personal opinion:

There are big flaws with the immigration laws of this country. I believe that there should be a process by which potential immigrants are "checked into" the country, but as of now it is too difficult. My wife is from Panama and we went through the process of getting her into this country legally (so that we could get married here :) ). It took several months and drained my bank account. Application for a K-1 Visa was almost $500 then once we were married we started the paperwork for her permanent residence which was $1070 and we are still in that process. It has been almost 8 months and nothing yet... I can see why people decide to come here illegally haha! I am a poor college student/employee working to provide for my new family and those expenses + time for interviews/filling out documents has stressed me out a little. I believe that there are solutions to this problem and that they can be found. For example, look at the Dream Act. This piece of legislature, in my opinion, is great and opens lots of doors to young latinos here in our country. This whole situation almost makes me want to switch majors to Political Science or something....almost. :)

Liberty_Agent
captain of 100
Posts: 171

Re: Latinos and the Immigration Question

Post by Liberty_Agent »

Zkulptor wrote:
Liberty_Agent wrote:
When applied to this context, a better definition of bigotry I have not seen. What is the difference between people in the USA and people in Latin America or other parts of the world that want to immigrate to the USA?

Lower racial intelligence, decreased cognitive abilities, violent behavior, non-Western culture, exotic religious practices, and dual loyalty. The fact that there are still people on the Right & Left promoting racial egalitarianism is laughable. It's an unscientific and as embarrassing as Creationism. Honestly, the atheistic and secular understanding is exactly as childish. It goes: 100,000 or some odd years ago we came out of Eastern Africa, went all over the world, underwent extreme environmental pressure and tens of thousands of years of isolation... but we're all exactly the same! hurr durr. It's debunked by every IQ study available to us and common sense.


The fact of the matter is that Persia, Egypt, Vedic civilization, Greece, Rome, and possibly even Sumer were created by people who were racially European. Many of these civilizations fell when race mixing began to be prevalent. Aryans in Iran were doomed from the beginning, due to the indigenous Elamite Dravidians. Same with Vedics. America probably has a similar fate, you can thank the liberal Catholics & Protestants for starting this nonsense. Then the Jews and liberal Mormons jumping in.

The religious side of me would say... hideous off-springs of deformed Fomorians, they are not offsprings of the Gods and thus are on the same level as an intelligent animal. Which isn't a bad thing, but isn't good. They are not folk nor kin and were always better off being ruled over rather than on an equal playing field.
Please tell me you are joking....


I wish I were. It's shocking to hear such absurd Communist-esque rhetoric on a supposedly conservative forum. Open borders? Really? Again, you and your friend there present no argument against what I said, but will probably blabber on about how great immigration and open borders are.

jonesde
captain of 1,000
Posts: 1294
Location: Albany, MO
Contact:

Re: Latinos and the Immigration Question

Post by jonesde »

Liberty_Agent wrote: I wish I were. It's shocking to hear such absurd Communist-esque rhetoric on a supposedly conservative forum. Open borders? Really? Again, you and your friend there present no argument against what I said, but will probably blabber on about how great immigration and open borders are.
Open borders are "absurd Communist-esque rhetoric"? That's got to be in the top ten comments I've seen here!

As we know well from history communist governments LOVE open borders, especially at the peak of their power. Some examples that come to mind are the Soviet Union, East Germany, North Korea, and during the height of their pure communist administrations (not like their current faux communist modern ones) Cuba, China, et cetera.

I believe we're really on the same page here, truly like-minded if you will. I also like getting my history from Fox News more than left-wing propaganda sources like history books and socialist internet havens like Wikipedia.

Seek the Truth
captain of 1,000
Posts: 3511

Re: Latinos and the Immigration Question

Post by Seek the Truth »

Liberty_Agent wrote: It should also be noted that in the original greek, Jesus defined "nation" by the ethnicity of the inhabitants.
Minor point, the original greek wasn't the original. It's like talking about Shakespeare in the original Finnish.

Seek the Truth
captain of 1,000
Posts: 3511

Re: Latinos and the Immigration Question

Post by Seek the Truth »

McCain was open border and only did a few percent better than Romney with hispanics. Reagan signed amnesty in 86 and GHWB lost hispanic share 2 years later. Further, Obama failed to sign anything with 60% of congress and near record popularity for 2 years but hispanics increased their support this election over 2008.

It's not about amnesty. If the GOP caves on illegal immigration it will just make the party die an election cycle faster. I absolutely predict that if the GOP supports amnesty they/we will continue to lose share in the next 2 elections, even if we run Rubio.

It's all whistling in the graveyard.

samizdat
captain of 1,000
Posts: 3511

Re: Latinos and the Immigration Question

Post by samizdat »

embryopocket wrote:Justice vs. Mercy, which do we decide? For those that have lived in Latinoamerican countries, you know how bad things can be down there (economic situation, violence, culture, etc.). Lots of the people that try to enter this country illegally are normal men and women that want work so that they can send money home to their starving children. But, we know that the house of the Lord is a house of order and that as members we must uphold the laws of the land. But are the laws that are in place good? Here is my personal opinion:

There are big flaws with the immigration laws of this country. I believe that there should be a process by which potential immigrants are "checked into" the country, but as of now it is too difficult. My wife is from Panama and we went through the process of getting her into this country legally (so that we could get married here :) ). It took several months and drained my bank account. Application for a K-1 Visa was almost $500 then once we were married we started the paperwork for her permanent residence which was $1070 and we are still in that process. It has been almost 8 months and nothing yet... I can see why people decide to come here illegally haha! I am a poor college student/employee working to provide for my new family and those expenses + time for interviews/filling out documents has stressed me out a little. I believe that there are solutions to this problem and that they can be found. For example, look at the Dream Act. This piece of legislature, in my opinion, is great and opens lots of doors to young latinos here in our country. This whole situation almost makes me want to switch majors to Political Science or something....almost. :)
I can totally back up your statement. Liberty Agent's statement is openly racist and has no place in LDS dialogue. I am an American married to a Mexican, and I am very familiar with the broken system that is US immigration. Even Mexico's immigration laws are MUCH easier to navigate than American ones, for that reason I live in Mexico.

Post Reply