Are there Gadianton Robbers in today's government?

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Are there Gadianton Robbers in today's government?

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"The Gadianton Robbers from the Book of Mormon are loose among us. The King-men, and women, are running our government. And, worst of all, we are blindly electing them, or appointing them so they can continue to destroy the things we cherish most." — John A. Widtsoe (Conference Report, 1944 Apr)

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Amen

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Over 900 Executive Orders. It's quite obvious.

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The Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, speaking in the April 1980 General Conference, stated: "Gadianton robbers fill the judgement seats in many nations. An evil power seeks to overthrow the freedom of all nations and countries."

President Boyd K. Packer, speaking in a 16 January 2007 BYU Devotional, stated: "We live in a time of war, that spiritual war that will never end. Moroni warned us that the secret combinations begun by Gadianton ‘are had among all people. . . . Wherefore, O ye Gentiles [and the term gentile in that place in the Book of Mormon refers to us in our generation], it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . . Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you. [Ether 8:20, 23–24] This statement appears in the August 2010 Ensign on Page 23.

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to include the present presidential race? :D

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LDSguy wrote:"The Gadianton Robbers from the Book of Mormon are loose among us. The King-men, and women, are running our government. And, worst of all, we are blindly electing them, or appointing them so they can continue to destroy the things we cherish most." — John A. Widtsoe (Conference Report, 1944 Apr)
Has anyone verified this quote? Yes, the Gadianton Robbers are in control of government, but this quote... I can't find it in the actual text of the April 1944 General Conference (or any other Conference Reports).

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Maybe a better question is: does today's government (or rather governments... state and local governments align with the US Govt on this one) operate under the same patterns that describe the Gadianton robbers?

The problem these days is not that there are a few subversives here and there using government against the people and against much of what is good in the world, but that it is becoming how the entire government operates.

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Thank you Brian. I might have presumed it true.

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David Merrill wrote:I might have presumed it true.
I believe the message is true, just can't confirm that Elder Witdsoe actually said it.

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David Merrill wrote:Thank you Brian. I might have presumed it true.

Hey, even if he didn't say it, Moroni basically said the same thing.

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One could study, ponder, observe and pray to know the truth. For those of us who have, there is no question.

I could give you the answer, or you can get it yourself from the Comforter. Then, once you know, there will be more questions, like what are you going to do about it? You can find that answer too, as I and others have.

There is nothing new under the sun...and there is no way better to learn the truth of all things than to put the promise of Moroni to work in your own life.

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CORRECTION OF ERROR: As some of you know, I run a site called ldsfreedomportal.net and have done so for over 10 years. It is essentially a list of links to the primary sources of words from Church leaders and of sources they have recommended. No opinion. I also maintain a list of quotations, by category, on a secondary linked page.

It has come to my attention over the weekend that one of the quotations is incorrect. Here it is in full:

"The Gadianton Robbers from the Book of Mormon are loose among us. The King-men, and women, are running our government. And, worst of all, we are blindly electing them, or appointing them so they can continue to destroy the things we cherish most."

This was attributed to John A. Widtsoe, speaking in Conference in April 1944. However, this was never made by him in that address (or any other that I can find). It seems to have originated in the following document: http://www.constitutionalconcepts.org/t ... iberty.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; by Jim and Donna Barrus, where they make that statement in their commentary and then go on to quote Widtsoe thus:

"We engage in the election, the same as any other principle; you are to vote for good men, and if you do not do this, it is a sin: to vote for wicked men would be a sin. Choose the good and refuse the evil. Men of false principles have preyed upon us like wolves upon helpless lambs. Damn the rod of tyranny; curse it. Let every man use his liberties according to the Constitution; . . . we want a president of the United States, not a party president, but a president of the whole people, for a party president disfranchises the opposite party. Have a president who will maintain every man in his rights. -Elder John A. Widtsoe, Conference Report, April 1944, Afternoon Meeting, p.97

What has likely happened is that someone has mistakenly quoted their words as part of the above citation. Somehow I missed this on checking my sources.

I have removed the quotation from my site and from my documents, and would ask you do the same if you have the quotation anywhere.

Judging by the format of the quotation extant on the Web, most have copied it from my site. I do apologize for promulgating (unwittingly) this error.

I shall have to apologize to Elder Widtsoe in the next life!

Please share this where needed.

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Thank you for looking into that further.

Also, FYI, Elder Widtsoe was quoting Hyrum Smith:

“We engage in the election the same as in any other principle; you are to vote for good men, and if you do not do this it is a sin; to vote for wicked men, it would be sin . Choose the good and refuse the evil. Men of false principles have preyed upon us like wolves upon helpless lambs.…. Let every man use his liberties according to the Constitution. Don’t fear man or devil; electioneer with all people, male and female, and exhort them to do the thing that is right. We want a President of the United States, not a party President, but a President of the whole people…and…. Have a President who will maintain every man in his rights .” (Hyrum Smith, 1844, DHC-6:323)

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"I prophecy in the name of the Lord God of Israel, unless the United States redress the wrongs committed upon the Saints in the state of Missouri and punish the crimes committed by her officers that in a few years the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted, and there will not be so much as a potsherd left for their wickedness in permitting the murder of men, women and children, and the wholesale plunder and extermination of thousands of her citizens to go unpunished."

- Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol.5, p.394, vol.6, p.116 and Millennial Star, vol.22, p.455.

I actually was exposed to this prophecy at the open house of the Missouri Temple and have verified it was given by Joseph Smith and recorded.

It was stunning to me for one reason: After 30 years of my own personal quest for truth, and much fasting, personal prayer and trials, it had already been relieved to me by personal revelation that the Constitutionally bound Government that existed when this revelation was made, was, indeed, destroyed just prior to the Civil War. The Republic was lost and the Democracy has existed ever since and still does.

The prophecy is was fulfilled the Government that exists today in the District of Columbia is and has been controlled by the Secret Oaths and Combinations, today the New World Order (just a new name for the same old Oaths and Combinations) is controlling the entire nation and most of the world.

The signs and tokens of the OATHS are all there, the District of Columbia, Vatican City and London City are the control points for the OATHS today.

I really do not care if anyone agrees with me or not, I will not deny my revelations of this, nor will I stop declaring them as truth.

D&C 123

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That is very interesting, Lawful. I can't say if it's right or wrong right now, but it has certainly tweeked my interest to do some more research. Thanks for your post!

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natasha wrote:That is very interesting, Lawful. I can't say if it's right or wrong right now, but it has certainly tweeked my interest to do some more research. Thanks for your post!
You are more than welcome.

Let us know what you find!! EXCITING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Gadianton robbers such as dingy Harry Reid with his bankrupt, evil anti Liberty socialist left wing democRAT agenda is a prime example of a Gadianton Robber at large doing grave damage to the USA!
What bothers me however is why this despicable ans spiteful little man is still a "member in good standing" of the LDS church?

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What bothers me is that most LDSs seem to prefer to remain oblivious to the conspiracy that has engulfed our government, even though LDSs have been the only people on this planet who have been warned by the Lord thru His servants of this conspiracy.

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lundbaek wrote:What bothers me is that most LDSs seem to prefer to remain oblivious to the conspiracy that has engulfed our government, even though LDSs have been the only people on this planet who have been warned by the Lord thru His servants of this conspiracy.
exactly! too many people, including LDS, are brainwashed by the mainstream media term "conspiracy theorist", which is akin to "kook, wacko, idiot, loser, etc." But in reality, conspiracies are real and happen everyday in the news and throughout history. They combine a real word that exists (conspiracy) with a word that doesn't exist in fact (theory) thereby rendering all conspiracies or people who believe in conspiracies as false. Hence they are now free to conspire to their hearts content and the mass population, brainwashed by the mainstream media, will never question these allegations of conspiracies. Why research the facts when you can simply label them "conspiracy theorists" and walk away, no more thinking needed? @-) :ymsigh:

Brings this quote to mind:
What good fortune for governments that the people do not think. - Adolph Hitler

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Yes....a great list of quotes and examples from our prophets and the Book of Mormon can be found here....

http://www.believeallthings.com/2877/gadianton-robbers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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What I dont understand is its so obvious the government is the most corrupt organization in the world, why cant people gather together to kick them out and take back our land???

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shestalou wrote:What I dont understand is its so obvious the government is the most corrupt organization in the world, why cant people gather together to kick them out and take back our land???
Because there aren't enough people who won't keep voting for corrupt people. The government reflects the people - we are a corrupt society.

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The whole system is corrupt. We really don't have any good choices when it comes to voting. There is too much ignorance and apathy among voters. Bread and circuses. Take that away and the apathy disappears.

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