LDS Prophet Says Don't Vote For Mitt Romney

[InfoWarrior82]

How do you butcher a quote?

By taking it out of context. Like I said, the quote in it's entirety was obviously referring to the constitution.

Will the Constitution be destroyed? No: it will be held inviolate by this people; and, as Joseph Smith said, "The time will come when the destiny of the nation will hang upon a single thread. At that critical juncture, this people will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction." It will be so.
With regard to the doings of our fathers and the Constitution of the United States, I have to say, they present to us a glorious prospect in the future, but one we cannot attain to until the present abuses in the Government are corrected.
—Brigham Young, "Celebration of the Fourth of July", Journal of Discourses 7:15 (July 4, 1854)

It is said that brother Joseph in his lifetime declared that the Elders of this Church should step forth at a particular time when the Constitution should be in danger, and rescue it, and save it. This may be so; but I do not recollect that he said exactly so. I believe he said something like this—that the time would come when the Constitution and the country would be in danger of an overthrow; and said he, If the Constitution be saved at all, it will be by the Elders of this Church. I believe this is about the language, as nearly as I can recollect it.
—Orson Hyde, "Self-Government, etc.", Journal of Discourses 6:152 (Jan. 3, 1858)


So, tell me again how Mitt Romney is doing this? I'll give you 10,000 internet points if you can.

[gruden2.0]

Pres. Monson had a nice, long private meeting with Al Gore a couple years ago. Maybe he's voting democratic this year?

I believe Mitt Romney is one of the Elders Joseph Smith is referring to. Hence the picture.

Let me turn the question around: why on earth do you think Romney is going to restore the Constitution? That is beyond naive, but if you have some evidence, I'd love to hear it.

Romeny is a man with no foundation, no ideas, no convictions. He tells people what they want to hear. Like Obama, he's owned by private interests.

Zion is the pure in heart. An elder of Zion is, therefore, pure in heart. I so no evidence Romeny the Panderer is any of those. He's a Mormon, yes, but there are many shades of Mormons...

[Andrew52]

Pres. Monson had a nice, long private meeting with Al Gore a couple years ago. Maybe he's voting democratic this year?

I believe Mitt Romney is one of the Elders Joseph Smith is referring to. Hence the picture.

Let me turn the question around: why on earth do you think Romney is going to restore the Constitution? That is beyond naive, but if you have some evidence, I'd love to hear it.

Romeny is a man with no foundation, no ideas, no convictions. He tells people what they want to hear. Like Obama, he's owned by private interests.

Zion is the pure in heart. An elder of Zion is, therefore, pure in heart. I so no evidence Romeny the Panderer is any of those. He's a Mormon, yes, but there are many shades of Mormons...

Excuse me Mr. Gruden,
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

"This topic of judging others could actually be taught in a two-word sermon. When it comes to hating, gossiping, ignoring, ridiculing, holding grudges, or wanting to cause harm, please apply the following: Stop it!" -Dieter F. Uchtdorf

It is apalling the things said about Mr. Romney on this forum. It is for sure, that one speaking of the hero, " Mr. Paul" this way would no longer be here. There is much negative concerning Mr. Paul. I would hesitate in repeating such garbage however.

Mr. Romney is a worthy priesthood holder. As I've said in the past, " The Hour is Nigh".

These are questions many would like answered by Mr. Romney:


Wednesday Aug 22

Judged:

"Let him explain the fraud that is the book of mormon! I really want to hear him explain about joseph smith's criminal record! Under no circumstances should members of this dangerous cult be allowed to serve in government! "

"
Thursday Aug 23


Judged:

Romney doesn't want to talk about his religion because the moron faith believes that only Mormons are going to heaven and everybody else, including ALL Christians who aren't Mormon are damned. That's why the snake(Romney) doesn't want to talk about it or talks little as possible about it. "

I feel true sorrow for those of you who speak of Mr. Romney as you do. The truth will soon be revealed. Take it like a man. No excuses!

[samizdat]

I thought Ezra Taft Benson said that if the Constitution is to be saved (and it will be saved), but it WON'T be saved in Washington.

I think Romney is a good decent family man, but then again Barack Obama is a good decent family man, and Jimmy Carter was too. Good family men don't necessarily make good presidents.

You could make the argument that GW Bush despite his past, was a good decent family man. He was the guy that created this mess we are in now!

What it will take to save this country, is MORE than one man. For that reason the prophecy of the ELDERS (not Elder) of Israel to come in and save the Constitution.

[lundbaek]

There seems to be a warm, fuzzy feling among members of the Church that if one votes for him, that member has met his responsibility. I fear that such members know little of what their/our responsibilities really are. I see no evidence or indication that Mitt Romney is our governmental messiah.

[InfoWarrior82]

Pres. Monson had a nice, long private meeting with Al Gore a couple years ago. Maybe he's voting democratic this year?

I believe Mitt Romney is one of the Elders Joseph Smith is referring to. Hence the picture.

Let me turn the question around: why on earth do you think Romney is going to restore the Constitution? That is beyond naive, but if you have some evidence, I'd love to hear it.

Romeny is a man with no foundation, no ideas, no convictions. He tells people what they want to hear. Like Obama, he's owned by private interests.

Zion is the pure in heart. An elder of Zion is, therefore, pure in heart. I so no evidence Romeny the Panderer is any of those. He's a Mormon, yes, but there are many shades of Mormons...

Excuse me Mr. Gruden,
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

"This topic of judging others could actually be taught in a two-word sermon. When it comes to hating, gossiping, ignoring, ridiculing, holding grudges, or wanting to cause harm, please apply the following: Stop it!" -Dieter F. Uchtdorf

It is apalling the things said about Mr. Romney on this forum. It is for sure, that one speaking of the hero, " Mr. Paul" this way would no longer be here. There is much negative concerning Mr. Paul. I would hesitate in repeating such garbage however.

Mr. Romney is a worthy priesthood holder. As I've said in the past, " The Hour is Nigh".

These are questions many would like answered by Mr. Romney:


Wednesday Aug 22

Judged:

"Let him explain the fraud that is the book of mormon! I really want to hear him explain about joseph smith's criminal record! Under no circumstances should members of this dangerous cult be allowed to serve in government! "

"
Thursday Aug 23


Judged:

Romney doesn't want to talk about his religion because the moron faith believes that only Mormons are going to heaven and everybody else, including ALL Christians who aren't Mormon are damned. That's why the snake(Romney) doesn't want to talk about it or talks little as possible about it. "

I feel true sorrow for those of you who speak of Mr. Romney as you do. The truth will soon be revealed. Take it like a man. No excuses!

We are commanded to judge public officials before we vote for them. Looks like gruden's judgement is spot on.

P.S. the "priesthood holder" argument is invalid. Harry Reid is a priesthood holder.

[Andrew52]

I do not recall saying that " Harry Reid" is a worthy priesthood holder.
You are not commanded to judge " Public Officials" they way Mitt Romney has been judged by you and others here. " No Excuses".

[uglypitbull]

You are not commanded to judge " Public Officials" they way Mitt Romney has been judged by you and others here. " No Excuses".

We are correct when we judge people by their 'actions', ESPECIALLY when it comes to politicians. You are correct in that there are NO EXCUSES for the actions Mitt has taken in public office, or HIS words that show his lack of understanding of his own responsibility to the freedom movement. His flagrant disdain for liberty and constitutional principles warrant judgement from anyone who cares to take heed. Either he is completely ignorant, or he simply doesn't care.

[InfoWarrior82]

I do not recall saying that " Harry Reid" is a worthy priesthood holder.
You are not commanded to judge " Public Officials" they way Mitt Romney has been judged by you and others here. " No Excuses".

Is there a flaw in the way I judged Mitt Romney's rotten fruits? If I judged his flagrant disdain for the constitution wrongly, please, I'm all ears!

[gruden2.0]

Excuse me Mr. Gruden,
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

"This topic of judging others could actually be taught in a two-word sermon. When it comes to hating, gossiping, ignoring, ridiculing, holding grudges, or wanting to cause harm, please apply the following: Stop it!" -Dieter F. Uchtdorf

It is apalling the things said about Mr. Romney on this forum. It is for sure, that one speaking of the hero, " Mr. Paul" this way would no longer be here. There is much negative concerning Mr. Paul. I would hesitate in repeating such garbage however.

Mr. Romney is a worthy priesthood holder. As I've said in the past, " The Hour is Nigh".

These are questions many would like answered by Mr. Romney:


Wednesday Aug 22

Judged:

"Let him explain the fraud that is the book of mormon! I really want to hear him explain about joseph smith's criminal record! Under no circumstances should members of this dangerous cult be allowed to serve in government! "

"
Thursday Aug 23


Judged:

Romney doesn't want to talk about his religion because the moron faith believes that only Mormons are going to heaven and everybody else, including ALL Christians who aren't Mormon are damned. That's why the snake(Romney) doesn't want to talk about it or talks little as possible about it. "

I feel true sorrow for those of you who speak of Mr. Romney as you do. The truth will soon be revealed. Take it like a man. No excuses!

Not excused, Andrew.

You're darn right I"m judging - I'd be a fool not to, and to rush in and give Romney credit where none is due is foolishness.

Nevertheless, when the wicked rule the people mourn. Wherefore, honest men and wise men should be sought for diligently, and good men and wise men ye should observe to uphold; otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil. D&C 98:9-10

The Lord has told us to find wise rulers. There is an implicit judgment in this, else how would we determine who is wise and good?

Those who seek public office expose themselves to a higher level of public scrutiny. Romney has put himself up for judgment. And I judge him to be a terrible choice.

Now, tell me exactly why he would restore the Constitution? So far all I've seen is hot air and excuses. If you apply some critical thinking, it seems clear he can't. So far it's some polyannah members making excuses - blinded by their eagerness to elect 'one of them'. He's not one of us.

[InfoWarrior82]

I do not recall saying that " Harry Reid" is a worthy priesthood holder.

AH! HOW DARE YOU JUDGE! )

See how flipped around you are???? Pull your head out.

[InfoWarrior82]

I thought Ezra Taft Benson said that if the Constitution is to be saved (and it will be saved), but it WON'T be saved in Washington.

I think Romney is a good decent family man, but then again Barack Obama is a good decent family man, and Jimmy Carter was too. Good family men don't necessarily make good presidents.

You could make the argument that GW Bush despite his past, was a good decent family man. He was the guy that created this mess we are in now!

What it will take to save this country, is MORE than one man. For that reason the prophecy of the ELDERS (not Elder) of Israel to come in and save the Constitution.

[Andrew52]

I do not recall saying that " Harry Reid" is a worthy priesthood holder.

AH! HOW DARE YOU JUDGE! )

See how flipped around you are???? Pull your head out.

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I neither said " Harry Reid was, or wasn't a worthy priesthood holder. It seems YOU have made the flip flob.
I am also taken aback by your childish manner in replying.

[InfoWarrior82]

I do not recall saying that " Harry Reid" is a worthy priesthood holder.

AH! HOW DARE YOU JUDGE! )

See how flipped around you are???? Pull your head out.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________
I neither said " Harry Reid was, or wasn't a worthy priesthood holder. It seems YOU have made the flip flob.
I am also taken aback by your childish manner in replying.

LOL, I guess the point I was trying to make in the first place was lost on you?

Once again my point:

Just because a person is a priesthood holder, does not determine whether or not they are going to be a worthy politician. Case in point: Harry Reid, Orrin Hatch, etc..

So, enough with the priesthood holder garbage.

[p51-mustang]

[lundbaek]

I think it's a safe bet that 95% of American LDS voters do not understsand the Constitution in the tradition of the founding fathers, or as it was intended to be understood by those who established it. And nearly that same number do not understand that they have a sacred duty to honour the Constitution and to honour freedom.

[freedomforall]

“We must learn the principles of the Constitution and then abide by its precepts.”

Pres. Benson counseled: “We must learn the principles of the Constitution and then abide by its precepts.” For years Church leaders have urged us to study and become familiar with the Constitution. They have used words similar to Pres. David O. McKay's, “We urge members of the Church and all Americans to begin now to reflect more intently on the meaning and importance of the Constitution, and of adherence to its principles.” Years ago, Joseph Smith said, “Be wise; let prudence dictate all your counsels; preserve peace with all men, if possible; stand by the Constitution of your country; observe its principles; and above all, show yourselves men of God, worthy citizens.”

Pres. Benson explained, “The Constitution of this land is part of every Latter-day Saint's religious faith." Pres. John Taylor stated it is as much our "duty to study correct political principles as well as religious, and to seek to know and comprehend the social and political interests of man.” In fact, according to Pres. Joseph Fielding Smith, we cannot fully understand the scriptures if we do not understand the Constitution. He said, “Every Latter-day Saint should be familiar with every part of this great document. Such knowledge is essential to an understanding of the significance of the word of the Lord in the Doctrine and Covenants.”

How familiar are we with the Constitution? Do we understand its inspired principles?

Are we familiar with the 7 articles of the Constitution and the Ten Amendments of the Bill of Rights? Do we understand the principle of federalism (the division of authority between a central government and local government) and the protection a two tier government provides? Do we know the 3 branches of government, their powers and restrictions, and the protection provided by separation of powers? Can we identify the checks and balances the Constitution provides, the amendment process, principles of representation, the limited powers of government, how it protects individual rights?

The Real Meaning Of The Separation Of Church And State
I support the doctrine of separation of church and state as traditionally interpreted to prohibit the establishment of an official national religion. But I am opposed to the doctrine of separation of church and state as currently interpreted to divorce government from any formal recognition of God. The current trend strikes a potentially fatal blow at the concept of the divine origin of our rights, and unlocks the door for an easy entry of future tyranny. If Americans should ever come to believe that their rights and freedoms are instituted among men by politicians and bureaucrats, then they will no longer carry the proud inheritance of their forefathers, but will grovel before their masters seeking favors and dispensations - a throwback to the Feudal System of the Dark Ages. We must ever keep in mind the inspired words of Thomas Jefferson, as found in the Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." (P.P.N. S., p.519)
Since God created man with certain unalienable rights, and man, in turn, created government to help secure and safeguard those rights, it follows that man is superior to the creature which he created. Man is superior to government and should remain master over it, not the other way around. Even the non-believer can appreciate the logic of this relationship.

[freedomforall]

The quote in question was by Ezra Taft Benson. Your homework assignment is to find it in A GLORIOUS STANDARD FOR ALL MANKIND.

And why does that supercede Joseph Smith?

Ezra Taft Benson said:
Joseph Smith predicted that the time would come when the Constitution would hang, as it were, by a thread, and at that time “this people will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction.” It is my conviction that the elders of Israel, widely spread over the nation, will at that crucial time successfully rally the righteous of our country and provide the necessary balance of strength to save the institutions of constitutional government. (October 1961, General Conference)

[gruden2.0]

I like it. I noticed Andrew has no answer on Romney's stated plan to rescue the Constitution. It's because he won't and doesn't intend to.

Romney is bought and sold. I wonder if he has any soul left now.

[Elizabeth]

Maybe it is time to remove the name of Mitt Romney from this misleading title.

This thread has been up for over a week and only has 3 replies... I wonder what would happen if I add "Mitt Romney" to the title?

[awake]

"This topic of judging others could actually be taught in a two-word sermon. Stop it!" -Dieter F. Uchtdorf

Mr. Romney is a worthy priesthood holder.

We are commanded to righteously judge others, from church leaders and members to politicians, by using the Spirit, the scriptures and the person's fruits.

Joseph Smith changed 'judge not' to 'judge not unrighteously'. So 'stop it' does not apply to 'judging', as long as we do it righteously.

Just because Mr. Romney was ordained to the Priesthood at one time, doesn't mean he is now a Priesthood 'holder'.

Only righteous living and 'honoring the Constitution' can maintain his Priesthood.

[InfoWarrior82]

"This topic of judging others could actually be taught in a two-word sermon. Stop it!" -Dieter F. Uchtdorf

Mr. Romney is a worthy priesthood holder.

We are commanded to righteously judge others, from church leaders and members to politicians, by using the Spirit, the scriptures and the person's fruits.

Joseph Smith changed 'judge not' to 'judge not unrighteously'. So 'stop it' does not apply to 'judging', as long as we do it righteously.

Just because Mr. Romney was ordained to the Priesthood at one time, doesn't mean he is now a Priesthood 'holder'.

Only righteous living and 'honoring the Constitution' can maintain his Priesthood.

Also, one loses priesthood power when they wield unrighteous dominion over others.

[awake]

Not only the members, but most leaders too, especially it seems that even the Prophet and most of the Apostles, etc. even support him and want him to win which someone who is very close to them tries to convince me.

But I just can't believe that the Brethren would support him and want him to win, if they understand the Constitution, even if it did lead to more baptism. For I believe it would be worse spiritually for those who voted for him, and the Church and country.

So why would they support him and want him to win and help him to do so, by 1- giving him tons of publicity in the church owned and Brethren controlled Deseret News, which one source says the Brethren intentionally do?

[lundbaek]

I note that Mitt Romney and others running for Congress are starting to throw the word Constitution around like they think they understand it and intend to be guided by it. Be thou not deceived. We/They should support only initiatives, programs and legislation that square with the US Constitution and ALSO support the God given rights that apply to all people as long as a right does not interfere with a God-given right of another person, or does not force another person to meet the needs of someone else. (See D&C 98:5)

[freedomforall]

Let's get the actual concept of "judging" out of the way.

For instance, Mitt Romney is a member of the church = a righteous judgement.
Mitt Romney is a priesthood holder = another righteous judgement.
Mitt Romney is evil (having no foundational proof) = an unrighteous judgement.
Mitt Romney is a flip-flopper = history proves that this is true = a righteous judgement.
Mitt Romney is a creep = an unrighteous judgement.
Mitt Romney is a good man but many of his actions stink = a righteous judgement.
Even though Mitt Romney has a good record as a family man, church callings and good with numbers, because of his flip-flopping and lack of Constitutional adherence I don't think he would make a good President = a righteous judgement.

Judge not the man, judge his works. We cannot simply ignore one's works when bad works can adversely affect the whole country. If wavering works is not good for the country then do not vote for that man. Judge and see if someone else can and will do the job as the Founders intended.