Romney

[PunaGabecaptain of 100]

I was doing some thinking and if Romney were to get elected president don't you think more people would try to persecute the saints based on Romneys mistakes. I mean lets say he were to tick off all kinds of liberals , democrats and etc don't you guys think people would be trying to persecute mormons in general.It just seems like it would put us right in the spotlight. I'm for Ron Paul but it looks like its going to be Obama vs Romney your thoughts ?

[jcricket6048captain of 100]

I was doing some thinking and if Romney were to get elected president don't you think more people would try to persecute the saints based on Romneys mistakes. I mean lets say he were to tick off all kinds of liberals , democrats and etc don't you guys think people would be trying to persecute mormons in general.It just seems like it would put us right in the spotlight. I'm for Ron Paul but it looks like its going to be Obama vs Romney your thoughts ?

I do not think we will be persecuted just because we have a Mormon president. We are being persecuted anyway so it does not matter whether he is in or not. I remember when I was on my mission back in 1982-1983 there was persecution going on there in California where I served and it never stop since so it does not matter.

[Ben McClintockcaptain of 100]

We are being persecuted anyway

can you give some examples of that?

Thanks.

[davedancaptain of 1,000]

If Romney were elected, TPTB would push the nuke button before Romney could undo what they have spent so working on.

TPTB want the US to either submit to the New World Order, or they will try and destroy us.

[Ben McClintockcaptain of 100]

If Romney were elected, TPTB would push the nuke button before Romney could undo what they have spent so working on.

TPTB want the US to either submit to the New World Order, or they will try and destroy us.

What evidence do you have that Romney would want to undo what they have spent working on?

[ebenezerarisecaptain of 100]

I was doing some thinking and if Romney were to get elected president don't you think more people would try to persecute the saints based on Romneys mistakes. I mean lets say he were to tick off all kinds of liberals , democrats and etc don't you guys think people would be trying to persecute mormons in general.It just seems like it would put us right in the spotlight. I'm for Ron Paul but it looks like its going to be Obama vs Romney your thoughts ?

Pretty far fetched to me. Remember what a big deal it was when Kennedy was running and it was an assumption by some extremes that he'd be taking marching orders from the Pope? In a parenthetical aside in one of her books (can't remember which one but I don't think it was one of her historical backgrounds, it may have been her childhood memoir with the baseball theme) Doris Kearns Goodwin talks about how anti-Catholic sentiment was so worrisome to her as a young adult (and amongst others in that community) that the assumption was that persecution "came with the territory due to Kennedy's presidency. It didn't happen.

I think there will be plenty of rhetorical battles over Mormonism both before and after Romney is potentially elected. If "religion" were really as big an issue as that, frankly, I think we'd be seeing more outcry from people about Obama. And you only see that on the extremes (including some here).

[PunaGabecaptain of 100]

We are dealing with the adversary thats why he doesn't persecute catholics (great abominable church)or Obama (muslim) but instead we ARE the CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS !!! Thats kinda why Im worried.

[coachmarcMy own worst enemy]

Persecuting the LDS because Romney is LDS is like persecuting blacks just because Obama is screwing up our country. Both cultures have been persecuted since the early history of our country.

[uglypitbullcaptain of 1,000]

..... thats why he doesn't persecute catholics (great abominable church)......

My understanding is that the great and abominable church is Babylon, not the Catholic church.

[seer stonecaptain of 100]

Maybe we would need to take on whatever persecution that is handed to us. By all means, I don't support Romney nor Obama and probably would vote third party if that was all the two major political parties had to offer. I just think we need to man up if persecution is given to us. If we don't--everything our ancestors have done before us is in vain. I'll vote for the candidate that I feel will best represent my freedom--whoever that may be!

[kingbmmcaptain of 100]

The Church has certainly been in the media the past few years (proposition 8, Jimmer, B.O.M.) but I've often wondered what will bring the Saints under severe persecution in the last days. I don't think it's unreasonable to consider that having an LDS Priesthood holder as the Republican Presidential Candidate could bring this kind of attention to the Church.

[Ben McClintockcaptain of 100]

having an LDS Priesthood holder as the Republican Presidential Candidate

That would be interesting if an LDS Priesthood holder ever became a Presidential candidate

[jcricket6048captain of 100]

We are being persecuted anyway

can you give some examples of that?

Thanks.

when Proposition 8 came out in California members of the church have been asked to not vote for this amendment because it would let gay marriage legal in California and a lot of money going to this party was from members of the church. During that time Proposition 8 was defeated and the gay and lesbian groups have enacted revenge on us by blocking us from going to the temple. So you see a Mormon President has not elected yet and we are still being persecuted just because of our faith. When our voices are being heard someone has to make a comment about us saying we are not going with the times or we need to change with the times. Another example is when the space shuttle disaster exploded and when NASA did an investigation they found that the O ring on the rocket motors was the blame for this explosion. These rockets are made here in Utah and when this has happen a Senator from Alabama commented about the Mormons he said quote" We can not trust those Mormons they will do anything to get what they want and then short change us" quote and ever since then we have taken back to what they have said and try not to be offended.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Of course Romney is responsible for all that, we mustn't vote for the priesthood holder!

[Ben McClintockcaptain of 100]

We are being persecuted anyway

can you give some examples of that?

Thanks.

when Proposition 8 came out in California members of the church have been asked to not vote for this amendment because it would let gay marriage legal in California and a lot of money going to this party was from members of the church. During that time Proposition 8 was defeated and the gay and lesbian groups have enacted revenge on us by blocking us from going to the temple. So you see a Mormon President has not elected yet and we are still being persecuted just because of our faith. When our voices are being heard someone has to make a comment about us saying we are not going with the times or we need to change with the times. Another example is when the space shuttle disaster exploded and when NASA did an investigation they found that the O ring on the rocket motors was the blame for this explosion. These rockets are made here in Utah and when this has happen a Senator from Alabama commented about the Mormons he said quote" We can not trust those Mormons they will do anything to get what they want and then short change us" quote and ever since then we have taken back to what they have said and try not to be offended.

right, I didn't think so.

[Ben McClintockcaptain of 100]

Of course Romney is responsible for all that, we mustn't vote for the priesthood holder!

still waiting for proof that he is

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Of course Romney is responsible for all that, we mustn't vote for the priesthood holder!

still waiting for proof that he is

A priesthood holder??

[jcricket6048captain of 100]

Of course Romney is responsible for all that, we mustn't vote for the priesthood holder!

I disagree with you on that Bob we should vote for someone who holds the priesthood and hold him at the highest regards to what we expect him to do.After all look at the candidates we have now. They are far more worse than Romney and they would even put our country even in more trouble than what it is. Mitt Romney has taken leadership where few have even tread by taken action to fix those problems that does exist and make sure that it has promise of a future. A good example would be the the US Olympic in 2002 where Mitt Romney made it profitable and saved it from disaster. If we can have him win the Presidential election then he can do the same thing for us here. A priesthood holder is held to his honor by laws and covenant that he makes when he is ordained to the office to which he is called and when he fulfills it then he is held high in respect and Mitt Romney is have held up his bargain in magnifying his calling in the priesthood and where he comes from he is held high in respect. So I would rather have a priesthood holder in the US Presidential office because he will do what is right. He will honor his priesthood in the highest regard and we need that now more than ever.

[AGStackercaptain of 100]

The United States is on the verge of financially collapsing unless someone as aggressive as Ron Paul steps up to the plate. If Romney is elected, the United States collapse will be a reality and I certainly don't want to be blamed, as Mormons, for collapsing the greatest empire in the world. Of course intelligent people will know it wouldn't be Romney's fault but educated idiots, most of America, will say that Romney didn't take the right actions at the right time therefore we have a depression because of it. I either want Ron Paul, who definitely has a good chance, because he will fix things rather quickly and America will be back on track. If not Ron Paul than I want Obama because I'd much rather have the economy crash on a libs watch than a "conservatives".

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

I think Ron Paul would bring a lot of short term pain that I am not sure that the American people are mature enough for. I do think that he would get us back on track the quickest, but there is no question there would be pain.

I think the econopmy crashes with either a Paul or a Romney or anyone else for that matter. The collapse is coming, why not trigger it when someone you can demonize is in office? In Romney's case that would be demonize the Mormons and in Paul's case it would be "See what happens when you go against the establishment and elect a crazy liberty person?" Of course, the banks did the same thing to Andrew Jackson, but people were smart enough to understand that it was warfare between the people and the banking system, and they understood that the banks were trying to destroy Jackson by crashing the economy. Sadly, I think the majority today lack the sophistication to understand that, and Ron Paul would either be assassinated or run out of office. or in Romney's case the hate would likely go towards Mormonism in general.

[ebenezerarisecaptain of 100]

In my mind the Paul presidency would result in riots in the streets as American with guns exercising their 2nd amendment rights will take to fighting each other. With just about anyone else, the fighting might be from a different foe.

I don't believe America can survive what Ron Paul wants to do if he tries to do it in one or even two terms. You can't reverse course on generations of corruption, sin and variance from the Constitution inside of two terms even. Pain will be much to small a word. It think there will be blood in the streets far worse than anything yet seen in Greece or other parts of Europe.

I think Romney could have a chance to get creative and maybe salvage things for a while. But unless there is a change of heart out there concerning the fundamental role of government and personal accountability, the United States will need to experience the disaster that it is due.

Either way, hang on to your hat. (And your wheat, your water, etc).

[moonwhimcaptain of 1,000]

In my mind the Paul presidency would result in riots in the streets as American with guns exercising their 2nd amendment rights will take to fighting each other. With just about anyone else, the fighting might be from a different foe.

I don't believe America can survive what Ron Paul wants to do if he tries to do it in one or even two terms. You can't reverse course on generations of corruption, sin and variance from the Constitution inside of two terms even. Pain will be much to small a word. It think there will be blood in the streets far worse than anything yet seen in Greece or other parts of Europe.

I think Romney could have a chance to get creative and maybe salvage things for a while. But unless there is a change of heart out there concerning the fundamental role of government and personal accountability, the United States will need to experience the disaster that it is due.

Either way, hang on to your hat. (And your wheat, your water, etc).

I'm sorry EB, but anyone like you who denies that the NWO conspiracy exists is not capable of making accurate predictions.

[ebenezerarisecaptain of 100]

I'm sorry EB, but anyone like you who denies that the NWO conspiracy exists is not capable of making accurate predictions.

Oh, and everyone here is so dead on right. How many times has the world ended here in the past four years? Go back and read the posts. It is laughable.

[moonwhimcaptain of 1,000]

I'm sorry EB, but anyone like you who denies that the NWO conspiracy exists is not capable of making accurate predictions.

Oh, and everyone here is so dead on right. How many times has the world ended here in the past four years? Go back and read the posts. It is laughable.

The fact that you deny that the NWO conspiracy exists is very sad.

[seer stonecaptain of 100]

In my mind the Paul presidency would result in riots in the streets as American with guns exercising their 2nd amendment rights will take to fighting each other. With just about anyone else, the fighting might be from a different foe.

I don't believe America can survive what Ron Paul wants to do if he tries to do it in one or even two terms. You can't reverse course on generations of corruption, sin and variance from the Constitution inside of two terms even. Pain will be much to small a word. It think there will be blood in the streets far worse than anything yet seen in Greece or other parts of Europe.

I think Romney could have a chance to get creative and maybe salvage things for a while. But unless there is a change of heart out there concerning the fundamental role of government and personal accountability, the United States will need to experience the disaster that it is due.

Either way, hang on to your hat. (And your wheat, your water, etc).

Just because Ron Paul is trying to eliminate big government to save us from financial ruin, doesn't mean that those labors or issues will be ignored. He just wants to restore the power where the constitution advocates--with the states. Our government has grown so big that it is destroying our country. We have been at war for the past decade! Don't you think it's about time to live in peace? Is that unrighteous dominion? Ron Paul seems to have the best plan in place to strategically prevent a complete financial meltdown and changing the fundamental role of government. I believe he has shown more integrity than any other candidate. I'm willing to give him a chance.

As for my wheat and water, I will share it and if I die doing so, may the Lord have compassion towards me on judgement day.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

Of course Romney is responsible for all that, we mustn't vote for the priesthood holder!

I disagree with you on that Bob we should vote for someone who holds the priesthood and hold him at the highest regards to what we expect him to do.After all look at the candidates we have now. They are far more worse than Romney and they would even put our country even in more trouble than what it is. Mitt Romney has taken leadership where few have even tread by taken action to fix those problems that does exist and make sure that it has promise of a future. A good example would be the the US Olympic in 2002 where Mitt Romney made it profitable and saved it from disaster. If we can have him win the Presidential election then he can do the same thing for us here. A priesthood holder is held to his honor by laws and covenant that he makes when he is ordained to the office to which he is called and when he fulfills it then he is held high in respect and Mitt Romney is have held up his bargain in magnifying his calling in the priesthood and where he comes from he is held high in respect. So I would rather have a priesthood holder in the US Presidential office because he will do what is right. He will honor his priesthood in the highest regard and we need that now more than ever.

Ah, I see you have only posted 26 times here, I was saying that in jest for all the Ron Paul supporters. Everybody here (most) know I support Mitt! How the the Paul people can support him and his libertarian views instead of the priesthood holder is beyond me!

Mitt will do the same thing to the government he did with the Winter Olympics. And, is the only one running who has even a ghost of a chance of conferring with the Prophet!

Bob

[serenitylalacaptain of 100]

It would be nice to have a President that just might go to the prophet for council and advice in dealing with the affairs of our nation. Military leaders in the Book of Mormon did it, why not have a president of the united States that would as well.

Gosh that would be nice: God consulted for once.

[ebenezerarisecaptain of 100]

A man who has felt the Spirit before, knows what it feels like and actually prays seeking the Spirit would be great to have in office.

[bobhenstracaptain of 1,000]

A man who has felt the Spirit before, knows what it feels like and actually prays seeking the Spirit would be great to have in office.

Indeed, learning to recognize the Spirit is what it's all about for all of us!

Bob

[Thomascaptain of 1,000]

Of course Romney is responsible for all that, we mustn't vote for the priesthood holder!

I disagree with you on that Bob we should vote for someone who holds the priesthood and hold him at the highest regards to what we expect him to do.After all look at the candidates we have now. They are far more worse than Romney and they would even put our country even in more trouble than what it is. Mitt Romney has taken leadership where few have even tread by taken action to fix those problems that does exist and make sure that it has promise of a future. A good example would be the the US Olympic in 2002 where Mitt Romney made it profitable and saved it from disaster. If we can have him win the Presidential election then he can do the same thing for us here. A priesthood holder is held to his honor by laws and covenant that he makes when he is ordained to the office to which he is called and when he fulfills it then he is held high in respect and Mitt Romney is have held up his bargain in magnifying his calling in the priesthood and where he comes from he is held high in respect. So I would rather have a priesthood holder in the US Presidential office because he will do what is right. He will honor his priesthood in the highest regard and we need that now more than ever.

Ah, I see you have only posted 26 times here, I was saying that in jest for all the Ron Paul supporters. Everybody here (most) know I support Mitt! How the the Paul people can support him and his libertarian views instead of the priesthood holder is beyond me!

Mitt will do the same thing to the government he did with the Winter Olympics. And, is the only one running who has even a ghost of a chance of conferring with the Prophet!

Bob

Do you mean a priesthood holder like Orrin Hatch, who went on a national speaking tour to drum up support for the Patriot Act and just voted for the NDAA, like Priesthood holder Harry Reid or did you mean a priesthood holder like Val Southwick, from Ogden, who was convicted of the largest swindle in Utah history?