Does it do harm to opt to stop having your child vaccinated?

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My observation is that the peer-reviewed process has been totally corrupted by those forces funding not only the studies, but the professional trade journals in which they are published. In other words, there is an awful lot of room for monkey business in studies -- both peer reviewed, and otherwise. It very often is junk science, trying to pass itself off as good science. Especially when it comes to big pharmaceutical interests -- much like big tobacco, global warming and big oil. Therefore, I would like to re-emphasize this simple principle:

I would simply encourage people to view Dr Blaylock's presentation, compare it to the co-intel-pro (counter-intelligence-propoganda) that is out there -- and draw their own conclusions.

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...reposting this from the previous page...

...from the thread, Vaccine Infowar In Cardston Country, some important things to consider with respect to the Polio epidemic are contained here:

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...posted this on another thread, recently. It contains important information about polio and where you may still be able to get a dvd of neuro-specialist and brain surgeon, Russell Blaylock, MD's presentation on how vaccinations cause brain damage.

Since neuro-specialist and brain surgeon Dr Russell Blaylock's presentation has apparently been censored, I'll share from memory a salient point or two from his extremely credible and vaccine-industry-devastating presentation.

1. As is typical with all other contagious diseases in the history of the world, the population developed natural immunity which had nothing-what-so-ever to do with the vaccine. In countries where no polio vaccine was given, the mortality and morbidity rates declined at the same rate or better than in those countries where the vaccination was given. Several other sources document this, besides Dr Blaylock. Go to page 7 of the thread, Vaccine Infowar In Cardston County:

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2. The polio epidemic was greatly accentuated by the DPT vaccine. Dr Blaylock, in his presentation revealed that he had discovered from his research of the data -- that the vast majority of those in the United States, who suffered death or permanent paralysis from contracting the polio virus, had been vaccinated with the DPT shot prior -- which impaired their immune systems and rendered them unable to adequately defend themselves against the polio virus, which for most healthy, non-immuno-compromised people is typically a very mild disease with no residual effects. This is one of the Vaccine Industry's dirty little secrets they want very much to be kept hidden. They count on people continuing to believe the myth -- that vaccinations saved them from the terrible monster, polio -- when in reality vaccinations had actually worsened the polio epidemic, which through the natural course of history died out despite the vaccines, not because of them...just as it did in countries where no polio vaccinations had been given. Of course Big Pharma and their powerful propaganda machine stepped in and claimed that they had saved us. Nothing could be further from the truth. It was actually God's marvelous creation, our bodies -- and the ingenius, incredible immune systems that God placed in our bodies -- that saved us...not Big Pharma's vaccines...and that principle is even further strengthened by diligently living the Spirit of all the verses contained in section 89.

Although the several online versions of that presentation by Russell Blaylock, M.D. appear to no longer be available, if one has an interest, I found one place that might still have some in dvd version for about $20.00, here:

http://www.radioliberty.com/vvabd.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Having seen the presentation a couple of times in the past year or so, I highly recommend it for viewing if you can possibly get your hands on it.

I have no fear what-so-ever for the coming plagues that shall surely come and for which man's puny arm, including Big Pharma and their vaccines shall not stop. The great promise of the Word of Wisdom and the protective power of the Priesthood are more than good enough for me. That is where I place my trust. If others feel the need to give themselves and family members over to Big Pharma's dangerous and evil, aborted-fetal-cell (many of them) containing witch's brew, vaccines -- that is their prerogative.

Unsurprisingly, thus far, that approach has been a great health blessing to our family. None of our 5 kids have allergies or the many typical health problems that so many of their vaccinated cousins do...and believe me, there is a plague of allergies and other auto-immune disorders and neurological disorders out there, due to vaccinations...due to parents and grandparents giving into the fear and buying the myth that Big Pharma, your government, the World Health Organization, the United Nations, the eugenicist elite, the modern-day-secret-combination and their mouth-piece, the main-stream media wants you to. It should be obvious that each of those I just named, very, very much want you to vaccinate. I advocate doing just the opposite. Vaccinations are a fraud and they certainly are very, very dangerous. Sadly, I know so very, very many that have been vaccine-damaged -- permanently.

Here is the above referenced censored presentation on how vaccines cause brain damage by neuro-specialist and brain surgeon Russell Blaylock, M.D. It is extemely credible testimony from an honest and courageous expert witness. This presentation has repeatedly undergone censorship and removal in the past, so watch it while you still can. This is definitely something that every parent and grandparent should see.

To view it full screen, click this link:

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HOW VACCINES CAUSE BRAIN DAMAGE
neuro-specialist and brain surgeon Russell Blaylock, M.D.



















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...and this...

This is an incredibly well done film that has just come out in the past year or so. Every parent and grandparent should see this. After watching it for just the first two to three minutes I could tell that this was one of the best vaccine resistance films ever made.


Silent Epidemic; The Untold Story of Vaccines

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I would simply encourage people to view Dr Blaylock's presentation, compare it to the co-intel-pro (counter-intelligence-propoganda) that is out there -- and draw their own conclusions.

Here is some more information about Dr. Russell Blaylock. My source is The Vaccine Conspiracy Theorist: A blog describing the actions, lies, and continual hypocrisy of anti-vaccine conspiracy theorists." The issue of June 9, 2011, features an article entitled "Quack of the Day: Dr. Russell Blaylock." Excerpts from that article follow, preceded by this statement: "Dr. Russell Blaylock is one of most common names tossed out there anytime the subject of [anti-vaccinations comes up]. . . . why would antivaxers trust Blaylock to provide medical advice about a variety of subjects when these very same people won't accept the viewpoints or opinions of the vast majority of the medical community?"

The article then asks and answers questions about Dr. Blaylock's competency, as follows.

1) Could it be that Dr. Blaylock has produced some peer-reviewed studies that [enable us] to determine the root cause of autism? No, because he has published no such studies.

2) Could it be that Dr. Blaylock has produced evidence showing long-term negative side effects of vaccines? No, because he hasn't bothered to produce such evidence.

3) Could it be because Dr. Blaylock has studied the long-term negative side effects of the sweetner asparatame and has produced scientific evidence to support his theory that it is responsible for causing multiple sclerosis? No, because he has never bothered to produce evidence nor has he participated in research to support his theory.

4) Could it be because Dr. Blaylock has finally been able to produce evidence that his claims about the dangers of aluminum, or fluoridated drinking water, or dental fillings are substantiated and verified? No, because he hasn't bothered to produce the research, add his name to a study, or even be bothered to write unpublished papers detailing his claims in any detail.

The article concludes by noting that antivaxxers cite Blaylock as an expert based on his website and published newsletters. These outlets present information that is not based on scientific research, but rather on Dr. Blaylock's self-cited opinion. "In short, there are no legitimate third-parties supporting any of Blaylock's claims, so citing his opinions is merely the equivalent of taking his word for it. . . . A lack of critical thinking ability clouds the judgment and precludes many antivaxxers from understanding that just because someone makes a claim does not make it true."

First off, your source for Dr. Blaylock is coming from a Blog. Talk about "disproven claims made by so-called experts who are w-a-y out in left field"!

The second sentence of my post clearly indicates that the source is from a blog. Did you miss that?

Secondly, I pulled up just ONE of his many papers "Aluminum Induced Immunoexcitotoxicity in Neurodevelopmental and
Neurodegenerative Disorders" that you can find here:

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/docu ... aylock.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and found evidence with SOURCES regarding his claims that the "Big Pharma Drug pushers" don't want you to read. You want evidence? How about reading TRUTH for yourself instead of making straw-man hearsay arguments that Dr. Blaylock "has no evidence"...

Thank you for documenting my point; i.e., that Dr. Blaylock parrots the radical anti-vaccination line, as do, apparently, his sources.

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Do you need any more evidence?

It's unfortunate that you went to so much trouble to post a list that does next-to-nothing to advance your argument. The papers you cite are principally studies that raise questions. By themselves, they do not prove that there is a link between vaccine, Al, and autism. You list 85 studies/papers. Please identify one that makes it possible to conclude positively that vaccine causes autism. Paper 80 addresses gut absorption of Al in rats . . . Paper 76 discusses the role of Al in intercellular communication in vitro . . .Paper 64 reports on using Al and fluoride as a laboratory research tool . . .Paper 33 raises a question about Al's effectiveness in creating immunity—and so it goes. You call your list evidence? Surely you jest.

[dconrad000]

Studies are very costly and most health related studies are funded by Big Pharma. Why would Big Pharma want to conduct & publish studies that reveal truth that is not in their financial interest? Medical science has been co-opted by Big Pharma. It is no longer good science. It is junk science.

Relying upon studies is not the best way for the sincere truth seeker on this issue to come to the reality of the matter. There are, however a great many honest, credible, expert witnesses bearing their testimony. Dr Blaylock is just one of a great many honest, credible experts who are telling the truth. The Spirit can help one discern who is telling the truth -- despite the abundance of co-intel-pro that is put out by those who stand to lose the most by the public coming to an understanding of the truth. Despite the slander against good people like Dr Blaylock and many others, the sincere truth seeker on this matter would be well served to listen to what they have to say, while seeking the Spirit to discern if they are telling the truth.

Keep in mind also that many of todays vaccines contain aborted fetal tissue. That is very easy to prove. Irrefutable documentation of that fact can be found in the above referenced thread. You have now been given unconfoundable documentation that that is true. Will you still stand in defense of the vaccine industry? See what the Spirit tells you about injecting particles of aborted fetal tissue into your body or your children's bodies. See what the Spirit tells you about relying upon something made by using dead, murdered baby parts. Abortion is the shedding of blood of the very most innocent among us. Anyone standing up for the vaccine industry is defending the use of dead, murdered baby parts, for the so-called good of mankind.

And in defense of the Brethren on this issue: surely the so-called medical experts who have been setting vaccine policy for the church, have not disclosed to the Brethren that for 40-plus years now, many of the vaccines have been built upon a foundation of aborted fetal tissue in the manufacturing process. I hold those so-called medical experts responsible. One day they will have to answer to God for what they have done. I bear my witness that the use of aborted fetal tissue for the so-called good of mankind is utterly evil.

My observation is that the peer-reviewed process has been totally corrupted by those forces funding not only the studies, but the professional trade journals in which they are published. In other words, there is an awful lot of room for monkey business in studies -- both peer reviewed, and otherwise. It very often is junk science, trying to pass itself off as good science. Especially when it comes to big pharmaceutical interests -- much like big tobacco, global warming and big oil. Therefore, I would like to re-emphasize this simple principle:

I would simply encourage people to view Dr Blaylock's presentation, compare it to the co-intel-pro (counter-intelligence-propoganda) that is out there -- and draw their own conclusions.

[Army Of Truth]

Sweetwater14, obviously you didn't any of the whole papers. You apparently forgot to read source #72 and #24 that shows how aluminum effects the human body, or #56-63, or 80-83...I could go on, but why? you're obviously not reading anything. :ymsigh:

I suppose next you are going to say that Aluminum and Mercury are good for you. :)) =))

[Army Of Truth]

http://www.healthandenvironment.org/articles/doc/53" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

FYI Sweetwater, mercury and aluminum and lead are in most vaccines:

Mercury and lead are extremely neurotoxic and cytotoxic, but their combined synergistic effect is much worse. A dose of mercury sufficient to kill 1% of tested rats, when combined with a dose of lead sufficient to kill less than 1% of rats, resulted in killing 100% of rats tested(1). Thus with combined exposure the safe dose is 1/100 as much as the dose individually. Studies in Australia have confirmed similar relationships hold for people. This means most people in the U.S. are getting dangerous levels of these metals, enough to cause some neurologic effects.

Similar is true for synergistic effect with other toxic metals like arsenic, and with other toxic chemicals like PCBs(2). The level of mercury thimerosal in vaccines has been shown to be highly neurotoxic, but the effect was found to be much larger due to the synergistic effect with aluminum, which is also in most vaccines(4). Studies using U.S. CDC data have found thimerosal from vaccines to be major factors in autism and ADHD(5), along with prenatal rhogam shots which contain high levels of mercury thimerosal and are given to some RH negative women during pregnancy.

Autism has increased in the U.S. more than 10 fold in the last decade. According to the Florida Dept. of Education, the numbers increased from approx. 300 to over 4000 during this time period. There have likewise been large increases in the number of children with ADHD and other developmental conditions, according to the National Academy of Sciences and other sources. A major factor in this appears to be the large increase in vaccinations given to infants. (more documentation available at the childrens neurological page, http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/indexk.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

There was an increase of over 45% in learning disabilities in Pennsylvania between 1990 and 2000(3). But the study showed that the county highest on the Chemical Pollution Scorecard, Montgomery, had an increase more than double that of the rest of the state. Montgomery County had an increase in ADHD of 32.7% and an increase in autism of 310%.

Bernard Windham, M.D.

ps. note that a high percentage of Gulf state residents have been documented to have high levels of mercury exposure(Mobile Register study, http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/flhg.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

1. Schubert J, Riley EJ, Tyler SA. Combined effects in toxicology. A rapid systematic testing procedure: cadmium, mercury, and lead. Toxicol Environ Health 1978;4(5/6):763-776.

2. Philippe Grandjean P, White RF et al. Neurobehavioral deficits associated with PCB in 7-year-old children prenatally exposed to seafood neurotoxicants. Neurotoxicology and Teratology 2001;223(4):305-317.

3. Pennsylvania Dept. of Education, 2003, Study of learning disability incidence in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, 1990 and 2000; & "" Polluting Our Future: Chemical Emissions in the U.S. that Affect Child Development and Learning,"" by Physicians For Social Responsibility, at (202) 898-0150, [email protected]

4. Haley, BE, Pendergrass JC ,Lovell, M., Univ. of Kentucky Chemistry Dept., paper presented to the Institute of Medicine Immunization Safety Review Committee, Spring 2001, and on medical lab website, http://www.altcorp.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

5. Geier M.R., Geier DA; Thimerosal in Childhood Vaccines, Neurodevelopmental Disorders, and Heart Disease in the U.S. ; J of Amer Physicians and Surgeons, Vol 8(1), Spring 2003; & Bradstreet J, Geier DA, et al, A case control study of mercury burden in children with Autisitic Spectrum Disorders, J of Amer Physicians and Surgeons, Vol 8(3), Summer 2003.

But never mind the FACTS. Lets just listen to what Brian Deer says. [-(

[Bee Prepared]

Sweetwater14, obviously you didn't any of the whole papers. You apparently forgot to read source #72 and #24 that shows how aluminum effects the human body, or #56-63, or 80-83...I could go on, but why? you're obviously not reading anything. :ymsigh:

I suppose next you are going to say that Aluminum and Mercury are good for you. :)) =))

:)) Perhaps Aluminum and Mercury are the problem here??

It would be irrational to be convinced of vaccine safety simply because someone wants to argue for the sake of argument. This is what I see
"Sweetwater14" doing. Do we accept his argument or facts that are nothing more than Pharma manipulation? No. Do we accept that our Government, the FDA, the CDC are always correct, No. How many times have they told us a drug is safe, only to pull it off the market after numerous deaths? Vioxx is a good example of this.

There are too many legitimate reasons to take a responsible look at vaccine dangers. Practical reasoning leads to the incomplete evidence that
studies have been done concerning vaccine safety. To accept another's reasoning is to follow along, like sheep.

There are 2 ways that " Sweetwater14" fails in his argument.

# 1. That being believed is troublesome when endorsing information that has been manipulated. Such inference
does not establish trust.

#2. When it concerns our children and grandchildren, with the Autism rates climbing, the strong motive is to have the reality, and truth,
not just the appearance.

[Sweetwater14]

Studies are very costly and most health related studies are funded by Big Pharma. Why would Big Pharma want to conduct & publish studies that reveal truth that is not in their financial interest? Medical science has been co-opted by Big Pharma. It is no longer good science. It is junk science.

I doubt that "most health-related studies are funded by Big Pharma." Perhaps you can provide a source that supports that statement. That aside, at least some journals require authors to certify that they do not have a conflict of interest with the funding source; i.e., they did not personally benefit from participating in a given study. Your concluding sentence is false. Medical science has not been co-opted by Big Pharma, and it isn't junk science. If you insist otherwise, then, again, please provide documentation that proves your claim.

Relying upon studies is not the best way for the sincere truth seeker on this issue to come to the reality of the matter.

Your statement is an unproven assumption at best.

There are, however a great many honest, credible, expert witnesses bearing their testimony. Dr Blaylock is just one of a great many honest, credible experts who are telling the truth. The Spirit can help one discern who is telling the truth -- despite the abundance of co-intel-pro that is put out by those who stand to lose the most by the public coming to an understanding of the truth. Despite the slander against good people like Dr Blaylock and many others, the sincere truth seeker on this matter would be well served to listen to what they have to say, while seeking the Spirit to discern if they are telling the truth.

It's no secret that many scientists/researchers are not faith-based (unfortunately). Nevertheless, some of them are at the forefront of medical research and are reliable expert witnesses. It's also no secret (unfortunately) that some Church members do not have the companionship of the Spirit. Consequently, I find your approach to determining the truthfulness of expert witness to be less than uniformly reliable.

Keep in mind also that many of todays vaccines contain aborted fetal tissue. That is very easy to prove. Irrefutable documentation of that fact can be found in the above referenced thread. You have now been given unconfoundable documentation that that is true. Will you still stand in defense of the vaccine industry?

You assume that the reason the unborn are aborted is to provide tissue for the manufacture of vaccines. That is, of course, false (even a moment's reflection should make that obvious). You should find comfort in the knowledge that an aborted fetus can facilitate the creation of life-saving vaccines.

See what the Spirit tells you about injecting particles of aborted fetal tissue into your body or your children's bodies. See what the Spirit tells you about relying upon something made by using dead, murdered baby parts. Abortion is the shedding of blood of the very most innocent among us. Anyone standing up for the vaccine industry is defending the use of dead, murdered baby parts, for the so-called good of mankind.

Obviously, you don't understand that the development of vaccines has been one of the greatest (if not the greatest) advancements in disease prevention and control in the history of medical science. Your tactic of talking about "murdered baby parts" suggests some measure of argumentive desperation.

And in defense of the Brethren on this issue: surely the so-called medical experts who have been setting vaccine policy for the church, have not disclosed to the Brethren that for 40-plus years now, many of the vaccines have been built upon a foundation of aborted fetal tissue in the manufacturing process. I hold those so-called medical experts responsible. One day they will have to answer to God for what they have done. I bear my witness that the use of aborted fetal tissue for the so-called good of mankind is utterly evil.

I will say it again: Fetuses are not aborted to provide tissue for the manufacture of vaccine. Thus, the "point" you make above is without merit.

My observation is that the peer-reviewed process has been totally corrupted by those forces funding not only the studies, but the professional trade journals in which they are published. In other words, there is an awful lot of room for monkey business in studies -- both peer reviewed, and otherwise. It very often is junk science, trying to pass itself off as good science. Especially when it comes to big pharmaceutical interests -- much like big tobacco, global warming and big oil. Therefore, I would like to re-emphasize this simple principle:

I would simply encourage people to view Dr Blaylock's presentation, compare it to the co-intel-pro (counter-intelligence-propoganda) that is out there -- and draw their own conclusions.

The truth is that if a journal contributor errs in his/her research, and if the error is not caught in the peer-review process, said journal contributor will be humiliated by reviews that qualified experts will subsequently publish, and the journal will find it necessary to issue a retraction. Contrary to what dcon claims, researching and publishing at the professional level is a self-correcting process. Responsible scientists and medical researchers take pride in their work. They aren't about to allow shoddy efforts to blacken the professions to which they have dedicated their professional lives.

[dconrad000]

So you admit that you know that dead, murdered baby parts indeed have been used to manufacture and are contained in vaccines, and yet you continue to defend them and advocate that they be injected into the population. Very telling, indeed.

[Sweetwater14]

My observation is that the peer-reviewed process has been totally corrupted by those forces funding not only the studies, but the professional trade journals in which they are published. In other words, there is an awful lot of room for monkey business in studies -- both peer reviewed, and otherwise. It very often is junk science, trying to pass itself off as good science. Especially when it comes to big pharmaceutical interests -- much like big tobacco, global warming and big oil. Therefore, I would like to re-emphasize this simple principle:

I would simply encourage people to view Dr Blaylock's presentation, compare it to the co-intel-pro (counter-intelligence-propoganda) that is out there -- and draw their own conclusions.

The truth is that if a journal contributor errs in his/her research, and if the error is not caught in the peer review process (unlikely), said contributor will be humiliated by reviews that qualified experts will subsequently publish, and the journal will find it necessary to issue a retraction. Contrary to what you claim, researching and publishing at the professional level is a self-correcting process. Responsible scientists and medical researchers take pride in their work. They aren't about to allow shoddy efforts to blacken the profession to which they are devoting their lives.

I doubt that "most health-related studies are funded by Big Pharma," as you suppose. Perhaps you can provide a source that supports your statement. That aside, many journals require authors to certify that they do not have a conflict of interest with the funding source; i.e., they do not personally benefit from participating in a given study. Your concluding sentence is false. Medical science has not been co-opted by Big Pharma, and it isn't junk science. If you insist otherwise, then please provide applicable, credible documentation.

Relying upon studies is not the best way for the sincere truth seeker on this issue to come to the reality of the matter.

Your statement is an unproven, questionable assumption at best.

You say that the "Spirit can help one discern who is telling the truth."

It's no secret that many scientists/researchers are not faith-based (unfortunately). Nevertheless, some of them are at the forefront of medical research and are reliable expert witnesses. It's also no secret (unfortunately) that some Church members do not have the companionship of the Spirit. Consequently, I find your approach to determining the truthfulness of expert witnesses to be naïve and less than uniformly reliable.

[Sweetwater14]

Sweetwater14, obviously you didn't any of the whole papers. You apparently forgot to read source #72 and #24 that shows how aluminum effects the human body, or #56-63, or 80-83...I could go on, but why? you're obviously not reading anything. :ymsigh:

I suppose next you are going to say that Aluminum and Mercury are good for you. :)) =))

:)) Perhaps Aluminum and Mercury are the problem here??

It would be irrational to be convinced of vaccine safety simply because someone wants to argue for the sake of argument. This is what I see
"Sweetwater14" doing. Do we accept his argument or facts that are nothing more than Pharma manipulation? No. Do we accept that our Government, the FDA, the CDC are always correct, No. How many times have they told us a drug is safe, only to pull it off the market after numerous deaths? Vioxx is a good example of this.

I'm not interested, as you assert, in arguing for the sake of argument. You claim that my argument/facts are nothing more "than Pharma manipulation." My argument and facts are grounded on the proven, well-documented history of the effectiveness of vaccination programs in saving millions of lives. Try as you might, you cannot refute that. You can try divisionary tactics, but they are transparently pointless. Unfortunately, BP, you accept the anti-vaccination crowd's credo that government agencies are not credible. The reason the "anti's" take that position is to try to imbue their contrary position with credibility. That is, to be charitable, a flawed strategy. Thousands of government workers and independent scientists in the FDA, CDC, etc., are sincerely, honestly dedicated to communicating truth to the taxpayers they serve. People make mistakes, agencies in the public and private sectors make mistakes, does that mean that they have contrived some kind of mordant plot to mislead the American public? Is that what you believe? Really?

There are too many legitimate reasons to take a responsible look at vaccine dangers. Practical reasoning leads to the incomplete evidence that
studies have been done concerning vaccine safety. To accept another's reasoning is to follow along, like sheep.

Are you unaware that vaccine safety is under constant review by the CDC and independent laboratories?

There are 2 ways that " Sweetwater14" fails in his argument.

# 1. That being believed is troublesome when endorsing information that has been manipulated. Such inference
does not establish trust.

#2. When it concerns our children and grandchildren, with the Autism rates climbing, the strong motive is to have the reality, and truth,
not just the appearance.

The premises of both #1 and #2 are false. Re. #1, you assume that information about vaccine has been manipulated. That is mere conjecture on your part. If you have proof that manipulation has taken place, please provide it. Your opinion is insufficient. Re. #2, what makes you think that a possible link between vaccine and autism is not being intensely investigated at this very moment? Again, all you have to offer by way of verification is your opinion. That won't quite do.

[Sweetwater14]

http://www.healthandenvironment.org/articles/doc/53

FYI Sweetwater, mercury and aluminum and lead are in most vaccines:

Mercury and lead are extremely neurotoxic and cytotoxic, but their combined synergistic effect is much worse. A dose of mercury sufficient to kill 1% of tested rats, when combined with a dose of lead sufficient to kill less than 1% of rats, resulted in killing 100% of rats tested(1). Thus with combined exposure the safe dose is 1/100 as much as the dose individually. Studies in Australia have confirmed similar relationships hold for people. This means most people in the U.S. are getting dangerous levels of these metals, enough to cause some neurologic effects.

Sorry, but you are light years off base here. You can remedy that by going to Science-Based Medicine at
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/tox ... -vaccines/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; A whole new world of factual information awaits you.

[Army Of Truth]

http://www.healthandenvironment.org/articles/doc/53

FYI Sweetwater, mercury and aluminum and lead are in most vaccines:

Mercury and lead are extremely neurotoxic and cytotoxic, but their combined synergistic effect is much worse. A dose of mercury sufficient to kill 1% of tested rats, when combined with a dose of lead sufficient to kill less than 1% of rats, resulted in killing 100% of rats tested(1). Thus with combined exposure the safe dose is 1/100 as much as the dose individually. Studies in Australia have confirmed similar relationships hold for people. This means most people in the U.S. are getting dangerous levels of these metals, enough to cause some neurologic effects.

Sorry, but you are light years off base here. You can remedy that by going to Science-Based Medicine at
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/tox ... -vaccines/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; A whole new world of factual information awaits you.

"Factual information"? Really? Talk about myths, I read this page for just 2 minutes and found some whoppers on this page like:

"now that thimerosal has been removed from nearly all childhood vaccines..."

WRONG! They haven't been removed!

Another non sequitur-turned-into-"evidence" on this website full of lies:

"Applying an aluminum-based compound to one’s skin over the course of many, many years is related to some injections of aluminum-based adjuvants in vaccines exactly…how?"

FYI: If aluminum found in antiperspirants are linked with breast cancer, guess what happens if you inject aluminum? It will be WORSE. Any 5 year old can tell you that.

and just to give you strike #3, it also states:

"If formaldehyde, “antifreeze,” aluminum, thimerosal, and every chemical in vaccines circulating in all those lists on antivaccination websites that so frighten you were somehow absolutely removed from the standard childhood vaccines so that not a single molecular remained, would you then vaccinate your child?"

Wow... He is actually admitting that they are in vaccines, otherwise how could they "remove" them? He obviously hasn't read the vaccine insert that states all of these toxins that are in them.

This is far from evidence. I call this "hot air". Nice try with another one of your straw-man arguments. :ymsmug:

[Sweetwater14]

FYI Sweetwater, mercury and aluminum and lead are in most vaccines:

Mercury and lead are extremely neurotoxic and cytotoxic, but their combined synergistic effect is much worse. A dose of mercury sufficient to kill 1% of tested rats, when combined with a dose of lead sufficient to kill less than 1% of rats, resulted in killing 100% of rats tested(1). Thus with combined exposure the safe dose is 1/100 as much as the dose individually. Studies in Australia have confirmed similar relationships hold for people. This means most people in the U.S. are getting dangerous levels of these metals, enough to cause some neurologic effects.

Sorry, but you are light years off base here. You can remedy that by going to Science-Based Medicine at
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/tox ... -vaccines/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; A whole new world of factual information awaits you.

"Factual information"? Really? Talk about myths, I read this page for just 2 minutes and found some whoppers on this page like:

"now that thimerosal has been removed from nearly all childhood vaccines..."

WRONG! They haven't been removed!

Unfortunately for you, you cite no sources for the "whoppers" you found in "just 2 minutes." Are you a world-class expert on the chemical composition of vaccines? What are your credentials? Everything that you post below appears to be your opinion, and nothing more.

Another non sequitur-turned-into-"evidence" on this website full of lies:

"Applying an aluminum-based compound to one’s skin over the course of many, many years is related to some injections of aluminum-based adjuvants in vaccines exactly…how?"

FYI: If aluminum found in antiperspirants are linked with breast cancer, guess what happens if you inject aluminum? It will be WORSE. Any 5 year old can tell you that.

Do you suppose that the percentage of Al in the vaccine might have something to do with whether or not it is problematic?

and just to give you strike #3, it also states:

"If formaldehyde, “antifreeze,” aluminum, thimerosal, and every chemical in vaccines circulating in all those lists on antivaccination websites that so frighten you were somehow absolutely removed from the standard childhood vaccines so that not a single molecular remained, would you then vaccinate your child?"

Wow... He is actually admitting that they are in vaccines, otherwise how could they "remove" them? He obviously hasn't read the vaccine insert that states all of these toxins that are in them.

Wrong. He's trying to determine what "inspires" you to be anti-vaccine. If the agents listed were in childhood vaccines, vaccination programs (depending on the percentages involved) would have been banned years ago.

This is far from evidence. I call this "hot air". Nice try with another one of your straw-man arguments. :ymsmug: [/quote]

The source of the "hot air" in this post is your unsubstantiated, unattributed, unreferenced, undocumented opinion

[Army Of Truth]

The source of the "hot air" in this post is your unsubstantiated, unattributed, unreferenced, undocumented opinion

:))

WRONG again! I posted sources. You posted blogs and websites full of HOT AIR, THEORIES, OPINIONS and MYTHS. =;

[Army Of Truth]

Sweetwater:

I'm a "world-class" expert in reading English in black & white on the vaccine inserts!
Are you a world-class expert in showing how Mercury and Aluminum are NOT poisonous and good for you?





Why would anyone take Flulaval when "there have been NO controlled trials" that show a "decrease in influenza after vaccination"? :ymsick:



and here's evidence directly from your "all-knowing, all-trusting, all-loving, incapable-of-lies" CDC friends:



How much more proof of Mercury, Aluminum, Formaldehyde, MSG, etc do you need? #:-s

[Bee Prepared]

The source of the "hot air" in this post is your unsubstantiated, unattributed, unreferenced, undocumented opinion

:))

WRONG again! I posted sources. You posted blogs and websites full of HOT AIR, THEORIES, OPINIONS and MYTHS. =;

Obviously "sweetwater14" is running out of answers. ( if we were lucky.) All his documentation means nothing, becaue is it nothing more than a cover-up! I like to call vaccines a " Shot in the dark!)

Like argumentative apes, pro-vaccine people start pounding their chest in favor of injecting our children with poison. They attack anti-vaccine parents, accusing them of “putting vaccinated kids at risk due to a breakdown in herd immunity.”

This is fuzzy logic. And it’s borderline crazy. There are thousands of reports from parents about vaccine reactions and regressive autism.

I would have LOVED to see my Grandson go to "regular classes", have friends, birthday parties, drivers liscence, dating, college, and marriage, and yes, even have children of their own...but that was robbed from him, because we trusted that "vaccines are safe."

I believe that if doctors were held accountable for the children that have been harmed by the vaccines that they have personally prescribed...there would be less of them saying "vaccines and autism have no link". humpers. There would also be a REAL quick push for proper research because it is my understanding that most doctors don't like anything that is going to "harm" their back pocket.

[light-one]

Maybe sweatwater14 should apply for the job of vaccine test guppie, although it probably doesn't pay as well as misinformation spreader.

[caddis]

Maybe sweatwater14 should apply for the job of vaccine test guppie, although it probably doesn't pay as well as misinformation spreader.

Haha. I've been pondering he/she being a paid shill. Pretty much the only topic he/she has anything to say is this one. Digs up an old thread just to spout big pharm propaganda.

[Bee Prepared]

Maybe sweatwater14 should apply for the job of vaccine test guppie, although it probably doesn't pay as well as misinformation spreader.

Haha. I've been pondering he/she being a paid shill. Pretty much the only topic he/she has anything to say is this one. Digs up an old thread just to spout big pharm propaganda.

Hey caddis, we agree on something! Can you take me off your foe list, it really hurts my feelings. :))

[dconrad000]

So that the crux of the matter is not buried and forgotten, I will repost this comment that was directed towards Sweetwater14, from time to time.

So you admit that you know that dead, murdered baby parts indeed have been used to manufacture and are contained in vaccines, and yet you continue to defend them and advocate that they be injected into the population. Very telling, indeed.