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For sure there is a connection with the Masons being infiltrated by the powers that be the Illuminati the kaballic Zionist fake askanazi jews that have infield traded the Catholic Church and have their shadow organization.
One must and also question why if they're not connected to the Masons that the rituals are so similar and why in the 90's the church decided to change their holy rituals for a public opinion that they were offended by it. All through the church is history they have shown that God was not with them except for maybe the beginnings? Even then Joseph Smith was sleeping with lots of women he used a Jupiter stone and peeps stones for money digging, etc
There are lots of things that we see today that we accept and don't realize there satanic Lee or occultic based. Some really nice songs and music have Masonic. And satanic Lucifer Ian background. You can go far with the mystical religion and channeling demons to possess you like Beyonce. Have great success and people think you're amazing. Seth MacFarlane is rumor to have given his soul over to it if he has all sorts of success and people would never think that he was controlled by something dark. Many of our celebrities are under the control of the occult and witchcraft etcetera and no one could prove to the public that they were. Many of them using Masonic hand signals to tell their own that there are members and to make those symbols familiar and okay to the masses the follow them. With the churches track record their choices in the Hoffman murders and cover up of many of its past mistakes in the archives that people were finding out its screams.. hiding something.
If magical talismens and peeps stones are how God relates his message to his chosen doesn't that suggest something to anybody.
If channeling and possession can make average people able to write Symphony and be famous and successful than it is possible for an occultist to write the Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price. Experts in Egyptology said the Pearl of Great Price was a funeral scroll. Maybe it's time for a Heavenly Father to come down and speak to his children? Since the church hasn't had a revelation for decades and the one about polygamy and the blacks are not revelations at all but mere documents from the brother in which give no reason for them doing either of those things somebody should really start thinking about such.
When the church is a billion dollar business and you write checks to the Corporation of the President and they keep collecting money from sheep somebody better open their eyes.
Most if not all organizations who enlist in the illuminist world government give some of their money to the dark lords above. Secret cultic organizations do not belong in free society but when a group of people all across the world is manipulating @#$ from such its terrifying. There are threats of satanic child ritual abuse to Molech in secret places now. The Bohemian Grove in California if you haven't heard has top world leaders meeting and worshipping for secret ritual.
Stupid humans have no idea these things are going on this is how the world has slipped into priest crafts and the very things that God said not to be a part of. The Mormons have their own secret ritual and threatened to cut their throats and innards out for the secrets. So do the Masons. They killed Robin Williams Whitney Houston and many others like JFK who get in their way or threatened to tell. If people don't know about these things how will be ever stop them and why are we being put through this buy a deity that loves us when people are so ignorant of it all. An eternal struggle between two gods that don't like each other and humans being put in the middle innocent victims just like Job when God and Satan were talking about him and putting him through a test. It all sounds a bit creepy with the whole picture there to me but religion just call them mysteries and keep their members in the dark and we don't ask such questions.
They are discovering that we live in a snow globe with the evidence that God gave biblically as compared to the lies that Nasa has been telling us. The perfect plan for revelations great deception of aliens coming.
When does a powerful omnipotent God tell the children he loves all of these things that they have no clue about? Why hasn't his church told its members? These things surely are important if not to be deceived. How can a church be a light on a hill if its members know nothing of these things.

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Hey ps.. did anyone know that the Mormon Salt Lake Temple is built on 2 ley lines? How many times is that mentioned by the leaders of the church?
These are evidently energy lines that I know that the Masons or Illuminati know about.
Lots of there occultic structures I think Stonehenge and the pyramids are built on them and other pyramidal structures throughout the world.
Many structures our building 1 Ley line the Mormons temple is built on two that cross.
Whatever the civilization was that we don't know about with the pyramids and Stonehenge and the structures all over the planet didn't use them for burial mounds like we were told they are. They have something to do with energy and harnessing it. This civilization that they have kept from us that interacted with the anxious on this planet we're either fallen angels or the Giants that we're the nephilim.
They could build giant things they had the knowledge from the fallen angels and perhaps their own powers and after all they were Giants.
It's interesting to me that we have a history that we don't know about and the Mormon Church doesn't know about it or promotes that they don't?
Sorry for my past message errors here voice texts always enter mistakes and I need to be better at catching them. So much for intuitive technology

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if the illuminates exists do you think that they are in every places least in the only true church of the earth? satan every influences some leader of the church but he have not power in the church as all like in the past

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Who says the LDS church is true church?
If the church is true why do they honor the Pagan Sabbath on Sunday? If God established his church again he would have established the true Sabbath again. He would not have them celebrating Christmas and Easter which are pagan holidays for the equinoxes to honor the pagans. If the rituals in the temple were holy God wouldn't need to change them nor the leaders to appease lowly members. So many signs of lack of god in the equation from the churches checkered behaviors. Hoffman coverup is a glaring one.
If the LDS Church we're in the know they would be warning their members that Satanism is all around our country and the world and they aren't preaching about it.
They would know which of our govt leaders were leading us astray wouldn't they? Someone somewhere better know who the enemy is doesnt look like it's the Mormons. It more looks like bowing to the powers. Looking for a light on a hill? If the Mormons are illuminists keeping their members in the dark is what they do best.

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jollyjaws wrote: July 9th, 2017, 7:41 pm Who says the LDS church is true church?
If the church is true why do they honor the Pagan Sabbath on Sunday? If God established his church again he would have established the true Sabbath again. He would not have them celebrating Christmas and Easter which are pagan holidays for the equinoxes to honor the pagans. If the rituals in the temple were holy God wouldn't need to change them nor the leaders to appease lowly members. So many signs of lack of god in the equation from the churches checkered behaviors. Hoffman coverup is a glaring one.
If the LDS Church we're in the know they would be warning their members that Satanism is all around our country and the world and they aren't preaching about it.
They would know which of our govt leaders were leading us astray wouldn't they? Someone somewhere better know who the enemy is doesnt look like it's the Mormons. It more looks like bowing to the powers. Looking for a light on a hill? If the Mormons are illuminists keeping their members in the dark is what they do best.
We will evolve and make it. The doctrine of the church is true, but we are in a spiritual war here. If you go and expose the Satanists, you will end up dead. The problem is, every time you take up the sword against evil, it just makes things worse. We have to defeat evil on the principles of righteousness. And that is not going to happen until we actually become a righteous people. I think that is why so many are having dreams of a callout or gathering. We have to leave the babylon culture. We have to overcome our pride and anger.

At one point, Jesus and his disciples were getting mocked and made fun of; so his disciples James and John said, " wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?" But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, "Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them." And they went to another village. (Luke 9:54-56)

When we know about the horrible evil people in--gasp; our church, what do we want to do? We want to go kill them. Unfortunately, we know not what manner of spirit we are of. Until we learn how to love as Jesus did, we cannot heal the divide between good and evil. As long as we reject the evil among us, we reject the evil in ourselves. And we can't be whole that way. Just like Adam saw the need to suffer, and did so out of love for his wife, we have to learn to love those and forgive them; for they know not what they do. Because when 1 person sins, it is a member of the human family; and we have to understand that we are no better than they; they need help not hate.

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Nice words.
God let 7 to 11 million Jews be killed.
He did not step in and show how loving He was. Do you think with a wicked nation of America that he's going to step in here either? Do you think that what has been fed to human beings about religion is true? The Catholics had the Bible before anybody got it and they put in what they wanted and took out what they didn't. Why hasn't the Lord shone his true church the realities of our existence in these days and the deceit that the world has given it? Why hasn't he revealed the beginnings of this planet and why he can't control Satan and the Fallen Angels sleeping with the daughters of man.
Do you think that the corruption within the LDS Church that let the Hoffman murders occur is going to save them and they're going to evolve? By the members silence on every issue that the church has with no revelation on they are co- criminals. By standing by and letting a church have that kind of power they are co-conspirators . Do you think that the church supporting millionaires like Mitt Romney who offshores his money and is deceitful is example of honorable men?
There is very little discussion about any deep subject by members because it would be considered apostate to think!
I don't know why members of the church choose to look the other way with all of the questionable things that this organization has done and is hiding away in its archives. The polygamy issue the black issue where the church had no revelation and have had no revelation on much of anything since the early days of the church. One who thinks.. would want to question their beliefs but religionists can not do that. Sadly religion makes people turn their brains off and follow blindly without question which I don't think deity wants. If everything they've been taught is a complete lie what would they have to hope for and wish upon so steadfastly. We must cling to it cause there's nothing else. So, they change the subject and quote scriptures and avoid the realities of the facts they cannot answer the questions that are opposed to them. Incorporating the Masonic rituals in supposed holy rites is just one of the entanglements. Perhaps those rituals are satanic but a Mormon would never know that if they blindly follow. There is evidence about Nephilim and that the world is a flat plain. That we have been lied to by NASA. Why wouldn't the Mormons have that truth that people are discovering without them, the supposed true church. God describes his making of the Earth and it doesn't say anything about a globe. There's supposed to be a great deception I wonder why the Mormons don't know more than they do?

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jollyjaws wrote: July 9th, 2017, 9:48 pm Nice words.
God let 7 to 11 million Jews be killed.
He did not step in and show how loving He was. Do you think with a wicked nation of America that he's going to step in here either? Do you think that what has been fed to human beings about religion is true? The Catholics had the Bible before anybody got it and they put in what they wanted and took out what they didn't. Why hasn't the Lord shone his true church the realities of our existence in these days and the deceit that the world has given it? Why hasn't he revealed the beginnings of this planet and why he can't control Satan and the Fallen Angels sleeping with the daughters of man.
Do you think that the corruption within the LDS Church that let the Hoffman murders occur is going to save them and they're going to evolve? By the members silence on every issue that the church has with no revelation on they are co- criminals. By standing by and letting a church have that kind of power they are co-conspirators . Do you think that the church supporting millionaires like Mitt Romney who offshores his money and is deceitful is example of honorable men?
There is very little discussion about any deep subject by members because it would be considered apostate to think!
I don't know why members of the church choose to look the other way with all of the questionable things that this organization has done and is hiding away in its archives. The polygamy issue the black issue where the church had no revelation and have had no revelation on much of anything since the early days of the church. One who thinks.. would want to question their beliefs but religionists can not do that. Sadly religion makes people turn their brains off and follow blindly without question which I don't think deity wants. If everything they've been taught is a complete lie what would they have to hope for and wish upon so steadfastly. We must cling to it cause there's nothing else. So, they change the subject and quote scriptures and avoid the realities of the facts they cannot answer the questions that are opposed to them. Incorporating the Masonic rituals in supposed holy rites is just one of the entanglements. Perhaps those rituals are satanic but a Mormon would never know that if they blindly follow. There is evidence about Nephilim and that the world is a flat plain. That we have been lied to by NASA. Why wouldn't the Mormons have that truth that people are discovering without them, the supposed true church. God describes his making of the Earth and it doesn't say anything about a globe. There's supposed to be a great deception I wonder why the Mormons don't know more than they do?
What's your purpose of being on this website? To tell all of us Mormons that we are going to "hell in a handbag"? Obvious to stir up contention. :-?

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More to wake you up and turn on your brains. If it triggers you to defense mode thats a start. There is no excuse for a church led by God to be hoodwinked and for its apologists not to have valid answers other than the knee-jerk ones that come from not investigating.
Religion turns people's brains off. But... it needs lots and lots of money like George Carlin says jokingly. Truer words were never spoken however.
Religion makes people comfortable and when their comfort level is threatened they will do anything to defend it no matter what that church does or doesn't do.
Religion is one of the things that has caused more death and mayhem than anything else on the planet. One should really understand that when there is no God at the helm of organized religion, like sheep people will follow to war inquisitions and conquest. Revelations is coming and that's the final war and conquest and religion is in the middle of it.
Some people would rather get along than destroy the planet for Jesus and my God is better than your God.
Satan knows that dividing people over anything will make them go to war. He has used religion as a very powerful tool to murder God's children. Religion is a mockery of God. Like every other institution that leads us it can be corrupted, like our govt, and has been. The original church that was given is not the original church anymore neither in olden times nor now. It was infiltrated by paganism originally infiltrated by illuminati now. The Mormons still celebrate the Sabbath of the pagans.. Sun day. That one commandment has been broken by the Mormons the rest of the foundation of the Mormons sits on that broken commandment. Gods Sabbath is the Jewish sabbath. No amount of rationalizing will make any church right that doesn't obey the Sabbath commandment. Making that connection starts you on your road to investigating the other questionable things about the church. If one of God's commands is not honored then the foundation of that organization is not His.

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jollyjaws wrote: July 9th, 2017, 9:48 pm Nice words.
God let 7 to 11 million Jews be killed.
He did not step in and show how loving He was. Do you think with a wicked nation of America that he's going to step in here either? Do you think that what has been fed to human beings about religion is true? The Catholics had the Bible before anybody got it and they put in what they wanted and took out what they didn't. Why hasn't the Lord shone his true church the realities of our existence in these days and the deceit that the world has given it? Why hasn't he revealed the beginnings of this planet and why he can't control Satan and the Fallen Angels sleeping with the daughters of man.
Do you think that the corruption within the LDS Church that let the Hoffman murders occur is going to save them and they're going to evolve? By the members silence on every issue that the church has with no revelation on they are co- criminals. By standing by and letting a church have that kind of power they are co-conspirators . Do you think that the church supporting millionaires like Mitt Romney who offshores his money and is deceitful is example of honorable men?
There is very little discussion about any deep subject by members because it would be considered apostate to think!
I don't know why members of the church choose to look the other way with all of the questionable things that this organization has done and is hiding away in its archives. The polygamy issue the black issue where the church had no revelation and have had no revelation on much of anything since the early days of the church. One who thinks.. would want to question their beliefs but religionists can not do that. Sadly religion makes people turn their brains off and follow blindly without question which I don't think deity wants. If everything they've been taught is a complete lie what would they have to hope for and wish upon so steadfastly. We must cling to it cause there's nothing else. So, they change the subject and quote scriptures and avoid the realities of the facts they cannot answer the questions that are opposed to them. Incorporating the Masonic rituals in supposed holy rites is just one of the entanglements. Perhaps those rituals are satanic but a Mormon would never know that if they blindly follow. There is evidence about Nephilim and that the world is a flat plain. That we have been lied to by NASA. Why wouldn't the Mormons have that truth that people are discovering without them, the supposed true church. God describes his making of the Earth and it doesn't say anything about a globe. There's supposed to be a great deception I wonder why the Mormons don't know more than they do?
I have researched the Heliocentric model as well as the Geocentric model for over two years. What I have learned, is the heliocentric model was indeed created to hide the existence of a loving God, it was created by the Satanic servants in power in those days in order to disprove the literal interpretation of the Bible and hide the obvious creations of God from the masses. This is a satanic agenda is purposefully designed to make mankind feel insignificant, small and hopeless.

To any LDS person we think at first it makes no difference really. Because of our deep faith and knowledge that God did indeed create this earth, it would seem it does not matter to me either way. So what if there is no curvature, I don't care if NASA lied and did not go to the moon, I do not care that tests prove the earth to be the center of the universe.

My first thoughts were "what a waste of time" I know the earth is a ball I have seen pictures. Besides why would they lie about it. WHat woild they be trying to hide? As you research and discover everything you were taught was a lie, you will eventually start to question what you thought was truth. Then you will think, why should I care either way? So what if its flat, or round like a ball or a flat square, or an infinite plane that has no end, either way, why should I care?
I understand why you feel that way, because either way, you know the Savior, you know God and you know that God created this place we live, as do I. However, I will tell you this... Its not just all about you. What about all the millions of souls on this earth without that knowledge? How does this Satanic lie steer their lives? Ask yourself, why do they not care to know God? Is it because they were taught Science?

Truth is, 500 years ago, the leadership of Catholic Church, was burning fellow Christians because they caught them hand writing copies of the Bible. This was a threat to their dominion. The church at that time did not allow regular believers to even handle or read the bible. Instead the priest would teach his biblical interpretations to his flock. This lead to many false doctrines. For example, one could pay for a "Sin Indulgence" with money, a sort of Sin Receipt. One could also pay the Pope and he personally could intercede on behalf of disobedient ancestors who may be in purgatory, and with MONEY the Pope could buy their way out of Hell. Would it surprise you to know that these same Jesuit Priests were responsible for the introduction of the heliocentric model?

For thousands of years, all cultures of the earth from the Hopi, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Aztec, Babylonian, and so on they all knew the Earth to be flat, and earth shielded with a dome over it, with the sun and moon and under this firmament, with waters above as also below. Then 500 years ago the satanically inspired theory of Heliocentrism was delivered to Copernicus by an "angel of light", he completed and perfected the model and we still hold this belief to this day.

Ask yourself what proofs you have that the earth is spinning 1000 miles an hour, where can you measure the curvature of 666 ft per square mile, what makes you think earth is tilted at 66.6 degrees while we are revolving 666 thousand miles an hour around the Sun? That is indeed a lot of 6's but these are the satanic numbers that just so happen to uphold the biggest lie of all.

This Sun Worshiping model, Heliocentrism, is what holds together the biggest lies of the Devil. Lucifer wants all men to think life is just a random accident, your actions do not matter, why worry, there is not a God, the earth and life and everything you see here is just some random chance accident that was bound to happen somewhere somehow and you are just lucky enough to see through your eyes a short time so live it up while you can. This lie also sets us up for believing in ET's or other alien life from elsewhere which opens us up to Demonic consultations from beings with "Higher Knowledge"

The heliocentric model is the reason most of the world feels they should live for today, there is no God, you and I are really just a random product of millions of years of evolution, in an endless ever-expanding cosmos, our mortal life is a very short, temporary existence that will never again be. You are insignificant. Logically the world teaches us to do that which is pleasing unto to ourselves, why should one hold to religion, why are some trying to score brownie points for some vengeful God that does not exist and certainly did not create all this. Live for today for tomorrow we die, that is the way of the world. They teach religion if for those who are weak. All satanic lies.

If earth were a spinning ball, we must be able to prove the official 8" per mile + the Square of that distance, and that formula which calculates at 6 feet of drop per 3 miles, and 6666 feet of curvature per 100 miles is not what we find when testing flat level places like oceans, and other large bodies of water, since 2/3 of earth is water that is paramount. Water always remains flat and water is always level. Landmarks such as cities and towers or coastlines are visible with optics and even naked eyes when they are mathematically hundreds and thousands of feet over the supposed curve. The same people that tell you the boat disappears over the horizon due to curve also will say the earth is too big for you to see any curvature. You can't have it both ways.

Read Job 38, God clearly shows his detest for anyone who claims to know. Read D&C 121:25-31, and ponder this knowledge that was reserved til the last times, why is whether there be one god or many Gods just as significant of revelation as weather there be bounds set to the heavens or to the seas or to the dry land.

I do not know the size nor the shape of the earth, but I do know it is not a ball of 25,000 mile circumference. If it were I would be fine with that, but unfortunately after months of trying to prove my world was the big blue ball spinning in space that I was programmed to believe in, I am now certain the earth sits upon foundations attached to pillars, and has a firmament and that it moveth not.

I would caution you to know there is a lot of fake or "controlled opposition" so do not go to the Flat Earth Society for info on Flat Earth. In fact there is more controlled fake opposition on this subject than there is legitimate folks just trying to get to the bottom of it. No matter what this concept is not going away, there are millions of people waking up to the deception, and overturning this lie is the key to overthrowing all the lies of those secret combines that work for the adversary.

If you are curious how the geocentric model works here is a Facebook page I would recommend looking into.
the page is called "Flat Earth Science and the Bible" start there for some interesting thought provoking information.

Here are some biblical references I found that that are interesting. You may want to reference your King James Version.

Job 37:18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?
Genesis 1:
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Psalm 104:
2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:
Proverbs 8:27 (ESV) When He established the heavens, I was there, When He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep.
Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
Isaiah 48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.
Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
Ezekiel 1:26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
Amos 9:6 (NASB) The One who builds His upper chambers in the heavens And has founded His vaulted dome over the earth,
He who calls for the waters of the sea And pours them out on the face of the earth, The Lord is His name.

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One must ask, If the Mormon church is led by God why aren't they teaching this? Why aren't there teaching about Nephilim? Why with the Mandela effect are they not the bible being changed? Why do they lock things they don't want to talk about in their archives?
Why has god let us believe falsehoods if he has had thousands of years to step in ? Is this love?

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davedan wrote: May 4th, 2015, 3:08 am You don't switch sides like he did and live to tell about it. When you are an insider like he claimed to be, you make oaths that require your life if broken.


John Todd was convicted of rape and sexual molestation of children and died in a State mental institution.
Yes because the Illuminati would never sacrifice one of their people by convicting them of rape and sending them to the mental hospital.

Would you rather be killed or collected by a mental institution for being insane and basically lose all your rights because someone declares you insane?

They know how to use drugs and electroshocks in the mental hospital and cover it up by saying their victims are crazy. That to me proves he is legit.

As far as rape, every satanic insider has done those things and not necessarily while in their right mind. Looks like only the repentant get punished.

Yes there are members of the church who are also Satanists. It helps them get higher in satanism to have the temple ordinances.

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jollyjaws wrote: January 7th, 2019, 12:02 pm One must ask, If the Mormon church is led by God why aren't they teaching this? Why aren't there teaching about Nephilim? Why with the Mandela effect are they not the bible being changed? Why do they lock things they don't want to talk about in their archives?
Why has god let us believe falsehoods if he has had thousands of years to step in ? Is this love?
I don't know if this would apply correctly here, but if you try to answer the question theoretically, under what circumstance would you see your honest friend stealing money from an ATM? I would suppose only under the circumstance that a robber was holding a gun to his head.

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How do you choose people to help the Church?
This was a problem that sunk Kirkland. Faithful members in charge of money and duties turning unfaithful.
No need to blame it all on the Illuminati, though.
The COB could have Illuminati all over in it. But you don't really need a lot--most big doors in this world swing on small hinges.
There is no way there are not eyes and ears for many neutral/government and con-LDS organizations in the Church. Most are just part of the tares that will be burned at the last day.

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Perhaps the whole church is corrupt. We could liken it to the great and spacious building. When people like sheep or lemmings will do anything because they don't think and follow the brethren they will jump off the cliff for their religion.
We can take the examples of the Hoffman forgeries/murders and the church covering it up for one example. We can also see that when Proposition 8 went forward in California the church's 20 million dollars with no revelation on anything from God for lo these last almost 100 years is telling. When was the last Revelation from God to the Mormons? A church that has lost direction from "I the Lord" to "we the brethren" is a good place to start. When there is no Revelation there will be cover up to keep themoney coming in.
If Joseph Smith did not get Revelation from God but was making it up that's a problem.
The church because of internet access has had to write out letters explaining to its membership the difficulties and challenges of the early church on its website.
There is a peculiar bottom line that one must look at in information coming forward in the times we're living in and the Mormon church sadly silent.
If the realities of Flat Earth are true the true church should have been the first one to tell the world or its members.
Any information about The Book of Enoch and the Nephilim the church should already have told its members also. Anything from the heavens to God's children would be nice. We seem to have a God who doesn't care that the information we have is false because for thousands of years he's let us believe in what men tell us. Is this love from a Heavenly being as we plummet headlong Into the Book of Revelations and our own corrupt government bringing us there? No amount of fluff is going to save our hides. Praising Jesus for not telling us is rather stupid.
Can anyone get to the bottom of the experiment that we're living in, in this snow globe Earth!!! That's what we're living in. The only way out is death? Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow!
With the aliens that the Illuminati are going to try to make us believe in I dare say it's best that the great delusion that God is sending us be uncovered. Oh say what is truth!

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More to wake you up and turn on your brains. If it triggers you to defense mode thats a start. There is no excuse for a church led by God to be hoodwinked and for its apologists not to have valid answers other than the knee-jerk ones that come from not investigating.
I am sorry but your comments do not remind me of any experts who have investigated esoteric or occult sciences, nor symbolism and how it plays a role in modern society. Your ramblings kinda remind me of someone on the back of a commuter train going off on a bunch of subjects to the fellow passengers who have no clue what point he is trying to make.

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Can anyone get to the bottom of the experiment that we're living in, in this snow globe Earth!!
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Yes, just watch "Jupiter Ascending." Earth will be harvested soon. The so-called rapture will not be what some think.

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Why Flanagan, you should enlighten the caboose then and tell us all how to be enlightened like you or get off the train.
Sounds like you're illumined. What does one have to do to join the illuminati? Sell your soul or draw a pentagram and chant to Lucifer.
Be a light to the rest of the train passengers since you know all. Tell us the benefits of being an occultist.
I thought the topic was, "is the church occult free" not how I joined the occult.

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jollyjaws wrote: January 9th, 2019, 11:14 am Why Flanagan, you should enlighten the caboose then and tell us all how to be enlightened like you or get off the train.
Sounds like you're illumined. What does one have to do to join the illuminati? Sell your soul or draw a pentagram and chant to Lucifer.
Be a light to the rest of the train passengers since you know all. Tell us the benefits of being an occultist.
I thought the topic was, "is the church occult free" not how I joined the occult.
Not sure, the symbol of Jerusalem was a pentagram, and Pythagoras used a pentagram to symbolize membership in his cult of mathematics. You want to join? You sure you are up to it? Want to learn the secrets of the universe that God, the great architect designed? Okay, first I would suggest some familiarity with Pythagoras. Please study this and get back with your insights.

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No I have no desire to join mathematical cults or secret societies. People with horrendous egos and secret mystery religions and priest crafts and conjuring and witchcrafts that they keep from the rest of the world because they think they're better than is not anything that I want to know about or join.
The information that I know about the societys and elite says that they're arrogant and royalties and bloodlines that want to rule the planet. They are bringing all of us to World Order and they are dark and evil. They think they are enlightened because they're speaking to the Dark Prince and it's being orchestrated by demons.
Celebrities and artists have sold their souls to become rich and famous to be their representatives.
Scientist and professors and religionists and every other organization available they have infiltrated.
No, I have no desire to be an illuminist or a Freemason or a Bilderburger or Trilateral commission inductee.
These people are bringing what revelation told us thousands of years ago. This time as compared to Germany nothing is going to stop them because people have their heads up their behinds. They know what they're doing.
There is nothing about them that I want to be a part of. They ultimately are working for darkness no matter how enlightened they think they are. There are still two camps here sadly we don't know why the two deities have placed humans in this Matrix. Secret societies and the elite know our history and know why we're here and that has been kept from us the cattle. If the cattle knew they would revolt and we just can't let that happen. Anyone who thinks that self and Mathematics and the occult are positives are going to find out with what's coming.
Ever sold covertly they are propagandizing humans to go with the flow. In music and movies and television they program the populace. That's how you corrupt and disease a society. Then they have no clue that they're being taken over. Hitler said you can hide a big lie very easily we are living under horrendous lies and we don't know it and most don't care. So when they come in as saviors people for food and survival and safety will jump on the bandwagon.
I got the hint that you feel that mathematics and put Pythagoras is something I should invest time in. If it's about an illuminist or the powers-that-be I have no desire.
You came across to me as someone who like to belittle and that you knew better than I. If you're promoting the occult and mystery religions and Mathematics are the problem solvers of the world I'm afraid I don't believe that. The Sciences are corrupted by Sun worship and astronomy and astrology. Just from Flat Earth itself it's a sun worshipping philosophy that humans have swallowed that's a lie and based on mathematics to fool the masses. NASA has stolen billions and have proven it and been caught in their own lies and they keep changing fear theories because people are finding out and they have to stop the people from finding out. With the light of globe Earth they have something coming for us that a flat plane could not explain. There has to be planets and stars so what they have coming for us can come to pass. Keep the sheep in darkness. They are not enlightened they are liars and want to murder genocide millions of people off the planet. I'm for humans. Not for megalomaniacs and Bloodlines and whatever philosophy that has brought this horrible thing to our doors. What we don't learn from the past we are doomed to repeat and it's coming for us. It won't be Enlightenment it will be enslavement.

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You came across to me as someone who like to belittle and that you knew better than I. If you're promoting the occult and mystery religions and Mathematics are the problem solvers of the world I'm afraid I don't believe that.
What do you define as a mystery religion?

What are your opinions on Solomon enslaving the Jinn entities to assist him in building the temple?

As for mathematics I was always really good at it but lacked the patience to work through long and complex formulas.

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Mystery religions are what the Egyptians, and The Druids, and other pagan civilizations were practicing. It is the magical powers of the occult and worshipping idols.
Aleister Crowley invested his time in mystery and occult and Satanic ritual. It includes pedophilia and burning children for magical powers and better harvest. I daresay Spirit cooking would be in that Realm. Using life sources as blood and semen etc. Sacrificing children supposedly to give you energy and make you younger. We have to wonder why in the world there are millions of children going missing. This is the beauty of the occult and darkness. These are the things that they're doing behind closed doors that we know nothing about. People are too oblivious just living their lives. They couldn't possibly imagine those types of things happening in the world by our Elite and presidents and royalties that they call enlightenment.
They smile in our faces and laugh at us behind closed doors all the while they are controlling us and manipulating us. They have made us believe we live on a rotating globe which is a lie. These are the masters of lies that fool the cattle.
Soon the masters of the chessboard are going to collapse our systems and bring in theirs. All the refuse population will be eliminated by war or sending us to prison camps again. Because we are so much wiser than you?

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Sorry to move back the discussion but has anyone brought up the fact on this forum that Elder Gong was a member of the CFR. Former member of CSIS, a neocon thinktank. I’m sure he has plenty of connections.

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Benaishtart wrote: January 14th, 2019, 10:04 am Sorry to move back the discussion but has anyone brought up the fact on this forum that Elder Gong was a member of the CFR. Former member of CSIS, a neocon thinktank. I’m sure he has plenty of connections.
Yes, it was discussed here awhile back. Maybe do a search with his name and CFR.

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They smile in our faces and laugh at us behind closed doors all the while they are controlling us and manipulating us.
Did you notice how the royals were giggling when that preacher was referencing Pierre Teilhard de Chardin? The vast majority of the celebrity-obsessed audience watching the royal wedding a while back had no idea the deeper messages involved.

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I don't watch the Royals they are occultists and at the top of the pyramid slime.
What was the reference 2 Pierre Cardin that they were giggling about I'm not sure exactly how Pierre Chardin fits in with the elite and what the preacher was saying.
The world does love its celebrities.
Celebrities are a wonderful tool for the elite for people who are Idol worshippers. Millions upon millions of dollars that worship their satanic sell out stars and actors and musicians. Everything under the sun on the planet that the sun worshippers can make money from for their order theyll use.
I think that the religion that's going to be for the illuminists will be Sun worship. The sun represents Beelzebub. It will be the bulls that burn children and sacrificing them to their pagan gods and spirit cooking and pedophilia will be out in the open. Embrace the fires of Molech because they almost have a the gates closed on us. A World War here, a satanic ritual there.
God doesn't like Idol worshippers.lol
He doesn't like America anymore we are the Babylon that has polluted the world with our selfishness and greed and lifestyle of narcissism.
I'm still wondering what the purpose of this is. It's not a loving God that does this. It's a needy controlling angry God. Did more like Satan.
For thousands of years we have been left in the dark by the loving God and we don't even know if Christ is reality because he was made up by the Romans to appease both the pagans and the Christians. Somebody find the loving God because he let 7 million jews be killed too and did nothing.
At what point does annihilation does the heart of a loving God stop this stupidity.
Someone suggest to me how we call this love.
Abandon your earthly children for thousands of years and let Luciferians change scripture, lead us to believe we rotate around the sun, poison our food, poison the air and bring us to absolute enslavement by our own satanic leaders. Someone should ask themselves why does a loving deity demand that we bow to it when it's disappeared and hasn't felt compassion to let his Christian children supposedly, know our own history. Maybe these things are going to be revealed in the last time that were in?
Somewhere along the line perhaps we've been bamboozled.
What is this being that we're supposed to adore? Christians don't celebrate his real birthday or his real death. We're talking some kind of crazy here.
Freemasons are luciferian and yet Joseph Smith gleaned the rituals of the temple from them. Should we be really thinking that the doctrines of the Mormon Church are not corrupt also since they're not telling their members about all of this stuff that's happening around us that's moving us to our end. Joseph Smith or one of the early leaders of the church said the Constitution would hang by a thread and the elders would come and save it. Do you think that's going to happen? I am astounded at the lack of any communication from deity for lo these many years. Has the Mormon Church put out any new revelations?
All of these types of things would tend to make thinking people question their foundations. There is a lot of stuff the Brethren are hiding from. It would be nice to know that the Lord is revealing his secrets unto his servants the prophets. Lucifer is revealing his secrets.
Why don't they just burn us off a planet and start from scratch again. It makes about as much sense.
For some reason religionists feel they are all going to make it because they go to church? If God's church is corrupt how are they going to get there?
Someone explain to me that this is love. When the devil is moving right along and the Christians have no idea their church is a fraud.
There are satanic soldiers all around us moving us toward the end and all we have is invisible supposed angels but billions on the planet are going to be killed for this.
I could no more get on my knees to a god that does this then to the other one.
The job story is very telling. What they did to a human being for a competition is atrocious.
But to lots of Christians it's a beautiful story of rising above God and Satan?
What kind of twisted reality gives people a positive spin on this.
Is there a god in the sky or is that a lie too.
We certainly know that there's a bad deity because of all the lies and deception that's going on here that very few are awakened to. Is there anyone that sell DS who has witnessed deity and action or is it just a burning in the bosom? I remember attending church and saying the same worn-out phrases over and over again at fast meeting. I never felt those things but it was what you were supposed to say.
I'm assuming since satanists can summon up demons that there's something positive here that we can summon up there's just no ritual involved in that as compared to the pentagrams etc that the others have.
The black and white Satchel see Pharisee rules that religion in grains in its members makes them do ungodly things toward their brothers and sisters when they have no clue or no revelation to validate their abuses. But like lemmings they will follow because they can't think for themselves and question whether this is sanity. It's blind following the brethren. Joseph Smith hope that the day would never come that the church would honor the profits more than they did deity.
Just from seeing the example of Mitt Romney and the Hoffman forgeries etc one must awaken.
There won't be any leniency I don't believe by God when a person says but I followed where's my reward.
If somebody has a relationship with Jesus Christ on this site please let me know. The more I live the more I don't trust religion at all and it's a tool for control and more money making by the elite.
The satanic Catholic Church and royalty and the elite had the Bible before it was ever given to the stupid masses.

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