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ilovetherain wrote:I will probably get booted for this post. AVOW banned me because I frequently addressed secret combinations to include child and sex trafficking, and the fact their owner and Admins are misogynists and abusive to women. -l
I hope you never get booted off. All is not well in Zion and the continual silence from "above" doesn't help the clean up effort.

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Im kind of shocked to see some of the naive responses here. Spraking of pride!! When you can live in the protective bubble of the Zion curtain you really do forget the churches questionable past.
Over and over again the church has shown to be lacking in direction by deity save for in the beginnings of the church and even then?
Josephs and Brighams many wives, the question of polygamy in general, the Kinderhook plate hoodwink, the Mormon Meadows massacre, the hieroglyphics experts saying the Pearl of Great Price was a funeral scroll, blood atonement fiasco, peep stones, no revelations for the black priesthood issue or the polygamy issue (those are not revelations they are statements by the brethren), no Book of Mormon DNA in the American Indians by experts, the hood winking by the church in the Hoffman murders (Church buying up documents to protect itself being found out and making up reasons for the salamander story in the Ensign), Joseph Smith becoming a 33rd degree Mason and their secret society symbols all over the Nauvoo temple and the Salt Lake Temple and ultimately being killed by the Masons because he revealed their secrets, using the Masonic ritual in the temple and then changing a supposedly sacred ritual because people were uncomfortable with it, lastly when was the last revelation by God instead of the brethren. All Josephs dealings said I the lord. All things to ask oneself about being Gods church.
Does the hierarchy in conference discuss the Illuminati? Has the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon come forth?
Do they tell the church members about reptilians, the book of Enoch and the nephilim? The Luciferian entertainment industry? The possessions of celebrities like Beyonce and navy others? The ritual murders of celebrities like Robin Williams and Whitney Houston? Do they tell you these things or do you look at documentaries on YouTube to find out people that know these things and the Mormons don't and arent told?
How bout recent pizzagate, child satanic pedophilia?
The CFR, the Bilderbergs, the Bohemian Grove in California, the secret mysteries that the elite know and that the Masons know, what our government was doing at area 51? The origins of giants and pyramids and Stonehenge that the world is findings out about? That the Nazis invented UFO's and were working down in Antarctica with extraterrestrials, that our government brought the Nazis over after World War 2 and started doing the same thing with operation paperclip, that our government sent Admiral Byrd down to investigate, that our government is now down in Antarctica cause they again are hiding something like the nephilim and more pyramids and flat earth. How about that the scriptures suggest that we live under a dome and there's water above it? How about the fact that the Jews are at the top of the Illuminati and are at the heads of most major things in our country. They infilltrated the Catholic Church with the Jesuits. They have corrupted America and yet part of them are the chosen people that Jesus came from. The Talmud Kabala are satanic. Perhaps these are the Ashkenazi jews. What is truth? Mormons should know.
It does make one wonder where God is and who he might telling this to and warning. It doesn't look liked it's the mormons.
PS.. there is a gentleman recently that said he was given the seaedl portion of the Book of Mormon? God certainly does work in mysterious way wherever he is.
Now is the leadership of the Mormons telling anybody any of this? If they aren't you can know of a surety that they are illuminists or out of the loop.

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Several years back Brian posted some audio of a fireside given by Cleon Skousen (might still be in the downloads section), and he made a comment that there were secret combinations in the Church. He stated he wouldn't go into further detail, but he was certain this is the case.

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davedan wrote: May 4th, 2015, 3:08 am John Todd is illuminati. You don't switch sides like he did and live to tell about it. When you are an insider like he claimed to be, you make oaths that require your life if broken.
John Todd is dead, but death isn't the only thing they do to people who turn. The other is discredit, and they effectively did so with the rape charge. It certainly seems as though someone punished him.
davedan wrote: A better question to ask is if this forum is illuminati free.
I don't think sites like this get too much attention by Illuminati members, but they employ a lot of useful idiots to sway opinion on message boards such as this and there have been posts and posters occasionally appear that I've been certain had ulterior motives.

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davedan wrote: May 4th, 2015, 3:08 am
I don't think sites like this get too much attention by Illuminati members, but they employ a lot of useful idiots to sway opinion on message boards such as this and there have been posts and posters occasionally appear that I've been certain had ulterior motives.
There's a lot of Internet shills that try to promote evil things and they know exactly what they're doing. There's a thread on this forum where some guy is invoking God's name to argue using a convention of the states to destroy the Constitution and establish a more Godly government in its place. You know the second a convention commences, The Insiders will control every question debated there.

It's cute to see so many people in this thread believing there's no way evil people can infiltrate any part of God's chosen church. It has been standard practice of the Illuminati, and Communists, to infiltrate religion, from the beginning.

Adam Weishaupt, the founder of the Illuminati, entered a theology seminar and was ordained a Catholic priest a few years before he died.

Josef Stalin first was introduced to socialist theories inside a theological school by other students when he was training to become a priest.

More recently, a Marxist infiltrated his way into position as current Pope.

It would be stupid to not be suspicious of your church leadership because they're supposedly prophets. If anything about current church stances on politics mean anything, it means closet liberals are definitely calling the shots inside the LDS.

HUAC investigations into how communists use religion are interesting. Communists would want to use religion to further their own aims. But, if a specific religion cannot be infiltrated to the point it advances communism, partly because doing so would alert the members to infiltration, then the communists will instead try to neutralize that religion to do nothing to oppose communism and total government. They would push for a stronger emphasis on spiritual ritual, less focus on doctrine, principal and civic involvement.

I must say, from what I've seen and experienced with the church, I'm convinced the entire leadership of the LDS is compromised and it is not a holy church anymore.

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A woman named Svali who was part of the illuminati suggested they infiltrated the church in the 50s...
I'd like to understand why deity stays in the heavens when most on the planet have no idea what's coming to us and he's supposed to love us? There are many things about this existence that we are not being told about. In fact, with flat earth, fallen angels, the book of Enoch, our government building underground bunkers cuz they know what's coming, and satanism rampant in the world and our stars and entertainers making money for them and our govt on both sides rocking us to collapse. This church has no revelation? Stealing rituals from the Masons and then changing them because people were offended and they are gods holy covenants? Shouldn't the true church be telling its members the earth is flat and god have given them any of this? Cern playing with dimensions and dark matter and we dont think somethings coming? Our government and religious leaders hiding something in Antarctica and nobody knows? The arc of Gabriel spirited away supposedly down there and we're not concerned?
God we are stupid!!
What about the gentleman who proposes that he got the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon cuz he was told by God the LDS Church was corrupt?
I'm saddened that the world is going to annihilation and a deity who loves us and is just and merciful?? wants to watch us all being killed. He had Abraham almost kill his son for this example it is suggested? Or, is the God of the Old Testament really Satan as some are promoting? How do we anymore have faith in this circumstance we have been thrown into without any God talking to anyone? Why are we responsible to a god that has no compassion on us like a loving earthly father would? One who dies for us supposedly and makes us obey what he says when he can't live his own rules? In other words unless we grovel to it we are bad pets?
If He couldn't control his creation Satan and Satans coming back again is he really omnipotent?
All religions including the Mormons make lots and lots of money. Hmm. Stupid sheep?
I had the Mormon Church throw me away with no revelation and they still have none, how much suffering must people do under religion for Casper the friendly invisible god?
Had my Mormon family throw me away for beliefs in this system? Gay people blow their brains out on church property for pain and this church has no revelation?
Maybe because the Bible was had by the corrupt Catholics the whole story is a lie they concocted and Jesus divinity is untruth and he's not coming back to save us. Maybe the vampire drinking blood sacrament is satanic? Maybe Joseph Smith really was a charlatan? Who really knows?
I know God didn't come back when Germany was doing the same thing and millions got killed. Our beloved evil shadow govt brought the Germans over after World War 2 under Operation Paper Clip and they're doing the same thing to us. Its a pathetic scenario for a being filled with love? Two heavenly supernatural beings and I don't want to be on either side of this. No choices and living in a snow globe we cant escape from. Its really beautiful to me? Destruction and death are coming and God won't let anybody know? It doesn't matter because most won't listen when you try to tell them because even religion has blinded them to the depth of the rabbit hole we are being sucked into. I can understand now why people will want the rock to follow up on them I'd like one to knock me out right now. What normal human being has done anything to deserve this? Yes there are evil people here!! Why if God is all powerful aren't they taken away so the the rest of us can just try to live our lives the best we can?

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Some years ago I used to own a set of 3 tapes narrated by Myron Fagan, a Hollywood producer who came out against the illuminati. At one point near the end of tape three he references the "Mormons".

Here is a clip of that section of the narration:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k99DxbnoZfU[/youtube]

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Unfortunately.. Joseph Smith got allot of doctrines fun the masons. Masonic symbols are on the Salt Lake Temple and the early temples of Kirkland and Nauvoo.
Joseph Smith was 33rd degree mason it is documented. So the YouTube video suggested is really out of touch. I don't know when this person spoke but according to the illuminists that escaped the secret org, the Mormons were infiltrated in the 50's.
The Mormons never speak of any revelation or the things happening all around the world that Satanism is bringing. So they either have no revelation or they know and are keeping their constituents in the dark those are the only two choices. If Gods Church is the true church then deity would be giving them that information and warning them. However as far as I can tell Mormons are oblivious. Most christians are.

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Revelations Chapter 2: 2 and 9:

2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

D&C 50:7
7 Behold, verily I say unto you, there are hypocrites among you, who have deceived some, which has given the adversary cpower; but behold such shall be reclaimed;

Of course the Illuminati is in our church. I am a personal witness of it. My blog is www.gospelinsights.weebly.com I am convinced Joseph Smith was aware of it as well, or why would he write this in Section 123:

7 It is an imperative duty that we owe to God, to angels, with whom we shall be brought to stand, and also to ourselves, to our wives and children, who have been made to bow down with grief, sorrow, and care, under the most damning hand of murder, tyranny, and oppression, supported and urged on and upheld by the influence of that spirit which hath so strongly riveted the creeds of the fathers, who have inherited lies, upon the hearts of the children, and filled the world with confusion, and has been growing stronger and stronger, and is now the very mainspring of all corruption, and the whole dearth groans under the weight of its iniquity.

8 It is an iron yoke, it is a strong band; they are the very handcuffs, and chains, and shackles, and fetters of hell

Thank you Joseph Smith for knowing about the generational satanic ritual abuse that the illuminati has been using to mind control us for generations. He couldn't come out and say it straight in his day. In our day, the satanic ritual abuse goes under the code name "MENTAL ILLNESS" Even with documented studies of this kind of abuse by our own government in Project Paperclip, and etc, people don't even believe it in our day!

Many states have laws that allow any kind of child abuse in school, including what can be called ritual abuse mind control through restraint, electroshock, drugs, and hypnosis, as a means of punishment. It is the law guys, the public can torture the heck out of our kids with our permission.

If we cannot learn to love and forgive as a human race, we will destroy ourselves. I am sure the highest members of our church are enduring all things, as we all hope to not only endure, but overcome through the way Jesus overcame, by saying, "Father forgive us and them, we knew not what we were doing."

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jollyjaws wrote: May 16th, 2017, 10:28 am Unfortunately.. Joseph Smith got allot of doctrines fun the masons. Masonic symbols are on the Salt Lake Temple and the early temples of Kirkland and Nauvoo.
Joseph Smith was 33rd degree mason it is documented. So the YouTube video suggested is really out of touch. I don't know when this person spoke but according to the illuminists that escaped the secret org, the Mormons were infiltrated in the 50's.
The Mormons never speak of any revelation or the things happening all around the world that Satanism is bringing. So they either have no revelation or they know and are keeping their constituents in the dark those are the only two choices. If Gods Church is the true church then deity would be giving them that information and warning them. However as far as I can tell Mormons are oblivious. Most christians are.
:)) There was no "stealing" of symbols or doctrines from the Masons. The Masons weren't the originators of these things. Many if not most can be traced back to ancient times. From my understanding (and I could be wrong) although many of the early Church leaders were Mason's they didn't know of the wickedness that existed in the top ranks. After-all nothing seems wrong with the Mason society in general. They claim that: "The main principles of Freemasonry insist that each member show tolerance, respect and kindness in his actions toward others; practices charity and care for the community as a whole; and strives to achieve high moral standards in his own personal life. Honor and integrity are at the core of the Masonic belief system. Members are obligated to practice self control and treat the people around them with respect, regardless of their own personal opinion of that person." I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS.

Adam Weishaupt after his ousted Illuminati group were forced underground he then resurfaced and infiltrated the Masons. That is where the problems come in. I'm sure the early Church brethren didn't know about this.

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For sure there is a connection with the Masons being infiltrated by the powers that be the Illuminati the kaballic Zionist fake askanazi jews that have infield traded the Catholic Church and have their shadow organization.
One must and also question why if they're not connected to the Masons that the rituals are so similar and why in the 90's the church decided to change their holy rituals for a public opinion that they were offended by it. All through the church is history they have shown that God was not with them except for maybe the beginnings? Even then Joseph Smith was sleeping with lots of women he used a Jupiter stone and peeps stones for money digging, etc
There are lots of things that we see today that we accept and don't realize there satanic Lee or occultic based. Some really nice songs and music have Masonic. And satanic Lucifer Ian background. You can go far with the mystical religion and channeling demons to possess you like Beyonce. Have great success and people think you're amazing. Seth MacFarlane is rumor to have given his soul over to it if he has all sorts of success and people would never think that he was controlled by something dark. Many of our celebrities are under the control of the occult and witchcraft etcetera and no one could prove to the public that they were. Many of them using Masonic hand signals to tell their own that there are members and to make those symbols familiar and okay to the masses the follow them. With the churches track record their choices in the Hoffman murders and cover up of many of its past mistakes in the archives that people were finding out its screams.. hiding something.
If magical talismens and peeps stones are how God relates his message to his chosen doesn't that suggest something to anybody.
If channeling and possession can make average people able to write Symphony and be famous and successful than it is possible for an occultist to write the Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price. Experts in Egyptology said the Pearl of Great Price was a funeral scroll. Maybe it's time for a Heavenly Father to come down and speak to his children? Since the church hasn't had a revelation for decades and the one about polygamy and the blacks are not revelations at all but mere documents from the brother in which give no reason for them doing either of those things somebody should really start thinking about such.
When the church is a billion dollar business and you write checks to the Corporation of the President and they keep collecting money from sheep somebody better open their eyes.
Most if not all organizations who enlist in the illuminist world government give some of their money to the dark lords above. Secret cultic organizations do not belong in free society but when a group of people all across the world is manipulating @#$ from such its terrifying. There are threats of satanic child ritual abuse to Molech in secret places now. The Bohemian Grove in California if you haven't heard has top world leaders meeting and worshipping for secret ritual.
Stupid humans have no idea these things are going on this is how the world has slipped into priest crafts and the very things that God said not to be a part of. The Mormons have their own secret ritual and threatened to cut their throats and innards out for the secrets. So do the Masons. They killed Robin Williams Whitney Houston and many others like JFK who get in their way or threatened to tell. If people don't know about these things how will be ever stop them and why are we being put through this buy a deity that loves us when people are so ignorant of it all. An eternal struggle between two gods that don't like each other and humans being put in the middle innocent victims just like Job when God and Satan were talking about him and putting him through a test. It all sounds a bit creepy with the whole picture there to me but religion just call them mysteries and keep their members in the dark and we don't ask such questions.
They are discovering that we live in a snow globe with the evidence that God gave biblically as compared to the lies that Nasa has been telling us. The perfect plan for revelations great deception of aliens coming.
When does a powerful omnipotent God tell the children he loves all of these things that they have no clue about? Why hasn't his church told its members? These things surely are important if not to be deceived. How can a church be a light on a hill if its members know nothing of these things.

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Hey ps.. did anyone know that the Mormon Salt Lake Temple is built on 2 ley lines? How many times is that mentioned by the leaders of the church?
These are evidently energy lines that I know that the Masons or Illuminati know about.
Lots of there occultic structures I think Stonehenge and the pyramids are built on them and other pyramidal structures throughout the world.
Many structures our building 1 Ley line the Mormons temple is built on two that cross.
Whatever the civilization was that we don't know about with the pyramids and Stonehenge and the structures all over the planet didn't use them for burial mounds like we were told they are. They have something to do with energy and harnessing it. This civilization that they have kept from us that interacted with the anxious on this planet we're either fallen angels or the Giants that we're the nephilim.
They could build giant things they had the knowledge from the fallen angels and perhaps their own powers and after all they were Giants.
It's interesting to me that we have a history that we don't know about and the Mormon Church doesn't know about it or promotes that they don't?
Sorry for my past message errors here voice texts always enter mistakes and I need to be better at catching them. So much for intuitive technology

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if the illuminates exists do you think that they are in every places least in the only true church of the earth? satan every influences some leader of the church but he have not power in the church as all like in the past

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Who says the LDS church is true church?
If the church is true why do they honor the Pagan Sabbath on Sunday? If God established his church again he would have established the true Sabbath again. He would not have them celebrating Christmas and Easter which are pagan holidays for the equinoxes to honor the pagans. If the rituals in the temple were holy God wouldn't need to change them nor the leaders to appease lowly members. So many signs of lack of god in the equation from the churches checkered behaviors. Hoffman coverup is a glaring one.
If the LDS Church we're in the know they would be warning their members that Satanism is all around our country and the world and they aren't preaching about it.
They would know which of our govt leaders were leading us astray wouldn't they? Someone somewhere better know who the enemy is doesnt look like it's the Mormons. It more looks like bowing to the powers. Looking for a light on a hill? If the Mormons are illuminists keeping their members in the dark is what they do best.

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jollyjaws wrote: July 9th, 2017, 7:41 pm Who says the LDS church is true church?
If the church is true why do they honor the Pagan Sabbath on Sunday? If God established his church again he would have established the true Sabbath again. He would not have them celebrating Christmas and Easter which are pagan holidays for the equinoxes to honor the pagans. If the rituals in the temple were holy God wouldn't need to change them nor the leaders to appease lowly members. So many signs of lack of god in the equation from the churches checkered behaviors. Hoffman coverup is a glaring one.
If the LDS Church we're in the know they would be warning their members that Satanism is all around our country and the world and they aren't preaching about it.
They would know which of our govt leaders were leading us astray wouldn't they? Someone somewhere better know who the enemy is doesnt look like it's the Mormons. It more looks like bowing to the powers. Looking for a light on a hill? If the Mormons are illuminists keeping their members in the dark is what they do best.
We will evolve and make it. The doctrine of the church is true, but we are in a spiritual war here. If you go and expose the Satanists, you will end up dead. The problem is, every time you take up the sword against evil, it just makes things worse. We have to defeat evil on the principles of righteousness. And that is not going to happen until we actually become a righteous people. I think that is why so many are having dreams of a callout or gathering. We have to leave the babylon culture. We have to overcome our pride and anger.

At one point, Jesus and his disciples were getting mocked and made fun of; so his disciples James and John said, " wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?" But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, "Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them." And they went to another village. (Luke 9:54-56)

When we know about the horrible evil people in--gasp; our church, what do we want to do? We want to go kill them. Unfortunately, we know not what manner of spirit we are of. Until we learn how to love as Jesus did, we cannot heal the divide between good and evil. As long as we reject the evil among us, we reject the evil in ourselves. And we can't be whole that way. Just like Adam saw the need to suffer, and did so out of love for his wife, we have to learn to love those and forgive them; for they know not what they do. Because when 1 person sins, it is a member of the human family; and we have to understand that we are no better than they; they need help not hate.

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Nice words.
God let 7 to 11 million Jews be killed.
He did not step in and show how loving He was. Do you think with a wicked nation of America that he's going to step in here either? Do you think that what has been fed to human beings about religion is true? The Catholics had the Bible before anybody got it and they put in what they wanted and took out what they didn't. Why hasn't the Lord shone his true church the realities of our existence in these days and the deceit that the world has given it? Why hasn't he revealed the beginnings of this planet and why he can't control Satan and the Fallen Angels sleeping with the daughters of man.
Do you think that the corruption within the LDS Church that let the Hoffman murders occur is going to save them and they're going to evolve? By the members silence on every issue that the church has with no revelation on they are co- criminals. By standing by and letting a church have that kind of power they are co-conspirators . Do you think that the church supporting millionaires like Mitt Romney who offshores his money and is deceitful is example of honorable men?
There is very little discussion about any deep subject by members because it would be considered apostate to think!
I don't know why members of the church choose to look the other way with all of the questionable things that this organization has done and is hiding away in its archives. The polygamy issue the black issue where the church had no revelation and have had no revelation on much of anything since the early days of the church. One who thinks.. would want to question their beliefs but religionists can not do that. Sadly religion makes people turn their brains off and follow blindly without question which I don't think deity wants. If everything they've been taught is a complete lie what would they have to hope for and wish upon so steadfastly. We must cling to it cause there's nothing else. So, they change the subject and quote scriptures and avoid the realities of the facts they cannot answer the questions that are opposed to them. Incorporating the Masonic rituals in supposed holy rites is just one of the entanglements. Perhaps those rituals are satanic but a Mormon would never know that if they blindly follow. There is evidence about Nephilim and that the world is a flat plain. That we have been lied to by NASA. Why wouldn't the Mormons have that truth that people are discovering without them, the supposed true church. God describes his making of the Earth and it doesn't say anything about a globe. There's supposed to be a great deception I wonder why the Mormons don't know more than they do?

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jollyjaws wrote: July 9th, 2017, 9:48 pm Nice words.
God let 7 to 11 million Jews be killed.
He did not step in and show how loving He was. Do you think with a wicked nation of America that he's going to step in here either? Do you think that what has been fed to human beings about religion is true? The Catholics had the Bible before anybody got it and they put in what they wanted and took out what they didn't. Why hasn't the Lord shone his true church the realities of our existence in these days and the deceit that the world has given it? Why hasn't he revealed the beginnings of this planet and why he can't control Satan and the Fallen Angels sleeping with the daughters of man.
Do you think that the corruption within the LDS Church that let the Hoffman murders occur is going to save them and they're going to evolve? By the members silence on every issue that the church has with no revelation on they are co- criminals. By standing by and letting a church have that kind of power they are co-conspirators . Do you think that the church supporting millionaires like Mitt Romney who offshores his money and is deceitful is example of honorable men?
There is very little discussion about any deep subject by members because it would be considered apostate to think!
I don't know why members of the church choose to look the other way with all of the questionable things that this organization has done and is hiding away in its archives. The polygamy issue the black issue where the church had no revelation and have had no revelation on much of anything since the early days of the church. One who thinks.. would want to question their beliefs but religionists can not do that. Sadly religion makes people turn their brains off and follow blindly without question which I don't think deity wants. If everything they've been taught is a complete lie what would they have to hope for and wish upon so steadfastly. We must cling to it cause there's nothing else. So, they change the subject and quote scriptures and avoid the realities of the facts they cannot answer the questions that are opposed to them. Incorporating the Masonic rituals in supposed holy rites is just one of the entanglements. Perhaps those rituals are satanic but a Mormon would never know that if they blindly follow. There is evidence about Nephilim and that the world is a flat plain. That we have been lied to by NASA. Why wouldn't the Mormons have that truth that people are discovering without them, the supposed true church. God describes his making of the Earth and it doesn't say anything about a globe. There's supposed to be a great deception I wonder why the Mormons don't know more than they do?
What's your purpose of being on this website? To tell all of us Mormons that we are going to "hell in a handbag"? Obvious to stir up contention. :-?

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More to wake you up and turn on your brains. If it triggers you to defense mode thats a start. There is no excuse for a church led by God to be hoodwinked and for its apologists not to have valid answers other than the knee-jerk ones that come from not investigating.
Religion turns people's brains off. But... it needs lots and lots of money like George Carlin says jokingly. Truer words were never spoken however.
Religion makes people comfortable and when their comfort level is threatened they will do anything to defend it no matter what that church does or doesn't do.
Religion is one of the things that has caused more death and mayhem than anything else on the planet. One should really understand that when there is no God at the helm of organized religion, like sheep people will follow to war inquisitions and conquest. Revelations is coming and that's the final war and conquest and religion is in the middle of it.
Some people would rather get along than destroy the planet for Jesus and my God is better than your God.
Satan knows that dividing people over anything will make them go to war. He has used religion as a very powerful tool to murder God's children. Religion is a mockery of God. Like every other institution that leads us it can be corrupted, like our govt, and has been. The original church that was given is not the original church anymore neither in olden times nor now. It was infiltrated by paganism originally infiltrated by illuminati now. The Mormons still celebrate the Sabbath of the pagans.. Sun day. That one commandment has been broken by the Mormons the rest of the foundation of the Mormons sits on that broken commandment. Gods Sabbath is the Jewish sabbath. No amount of rationalizing will make any church right that doesn't obey the Sabbath commandment. Making that connection starts you on your road to investigating the other questionable things about the church. If one of God's commands is not honored then the foundation of that organization is not His.

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jollyjaws wrote: July 9th, 2017, 9:48 pm Nice words.
God let 7 to 11 million Jews be killed.
He did not step in and show how loving He was. Do you think with a wicked nation of America that he's going to step in here either? Do you think that what has been fed to human beings about religion is true? The Catholics had the Bible before anybody got it and they put in what they wanted and took out what they didn't. Why hasn't the Lord shone his true church the realities of our existence in these days and the deceit that the world has given it? Why hasn't he revealed the beginnings of this planet and why he can't control Satan and the Fallen Angels sleeping with the daughters of man.
Do you think that the corruption within the LDS Church that let the Hoffman murders occur is going to save them and they're going to evolve? By the members silence on every issue that the church has with no revelation on they are co- criminals. By standing by and letting a church have that kind of power they are co-conspirators . Do you think that the church supporting millionaires like Mitt Romney who offshores his money and is deceitful is example of honorable men?
There is very little discussion about any deep subject by members because it would be considered apostate to think!
I don't know why members of the church choose to look the other way with all of the questionable things that this organization has done and is hiding away in its archives. The polygamy issue the black issue where the church had no revelation and have had no revelation on much of anything since the early days of the church. One who thinks.. would want to question their beliefs but religionists can not do that. Sadly religion makes people turn their brains off and follow blindly without question which I don't think deity wants. If everything they've been taught is a complete lie what would they have to hope for and wish upon so steadfastly. We must cling to it cause there's nothing else. So, they change the subject and quote scriptures and avoid the realities of the facts they cannot answer the questions that are opposed to them. Incorporating the Masonic rituals in supposed holy rites is just one of the entanglements. Perhaps those rituals are satanic but a Mormon would never know that if they blindly follow. There is evidence about Nephilim and that the world is a flat plain. That we have been lied to by NASA. Why wouldn't the Mormons have that truth that people are discovering without them, the supposed true church. God describes his making of the Earth and it doesn't say anything about a globe. There's supposed to be a great deception I wonder why the Mormons don't know more than they do?
I have researched the Heliocentric model as well as the Geocentric model for over two years. What I have learned, is the heliocentric model was indeed created to hide the existence of a loving God, it was created by the Satanic servants in power in those days in order to disprove the literal interpretation of the Bible and hide the obvious creations of God from the masses. This is a satanic agenda is purposefully designed to make mankind feel insignificant, small and hopeless.

To any LDS person we think at first it makes no difference really. Because of our deep faith and knowledge that God did indeed create this earth, it would seem it does not matter to me either way. So what if there is no curvature, I don't care if NASA lied and did not go to the moon, I do not care that tests prove the earth to be the center of the universe.

My first thoughts were "what a waste of time" I know the earth is a ball I have seen pictures. Besides why would they lie about it. WHat woild they be trying to hide? As you research and discover everything you were taught was a lie, you will eventually start to question what you thought was truth. Then you will think, why should I care either way? So what if its flat, or round like a ball or a flat square, or an infinite plane that has no end, either way, why should I care?
I understand why you feel that way, because either way, you know the Savior, you know God and you know that God created this place we live, as do I. However, I will tell you this... Its not just all about you. What about all the millions of souls on this earth without that knowledge? How does this Satanic lie steer their lives? Ask yourself, why do they not care to know God? Is it because they were taught Science?

Truth is, 500 years ago, the leadership of Catholic Church, was burning fellow Christians because they caught them hand writing copies of the Bible. This was a threat to their dominion. The church at that time did not allow regular believers to even handle or read the bible. Instead the priest would teach his biblical interpretations to his flock. This lead to many false doctrines. For example, one could pay for a "Sin Indulgence" with money, a sort of Sin Receipt. One could also pay the Pope and he personally could intercede on behalf of disobedient ancestors who may be in purgatory, and with MONEY the Pope could buy their way out of Hell. Would it surprise you to know that these same Jesuit Priests were responsible for the introduction of the heliocentric model?

For thousands of years, all cultures of the earth from the Hopi, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Aztec, Babylonian, and so on they all knew the Earth to be flat, and earth shielded with a dome over it, with the sun and moon and under this firmament, with waters above as also below. Then 500 years ago the satanically inspired theory of Heliocentrism was delivered to Copernicus by an "angel of light", he completed and perfected the model and we still hold this belief to this day.

Ask yourself what proofs you have that the earth is spinning 1000 miles an hour, where can you measure the curvature of 666 ft per square mile, what makes you think earth is tilted at 66.6 degrees while we are revolving 666 thousand miles an hour around the Sun? That is indeed a lot of 6's but these are the satanic numbers that just so happen to uphold the biggest lie of all.

This Sun Worshiping model, Heliocentrism, is what holds together the biggest lies of the Devil. Lucifer wants all men to think life is just a random accident, your actions do not matter, why worry, there is not a God, the earth and life and everything you see here is just some random chance accident that was bound to happen somewhere somehow and you are just lucky enough to see through your eyes a short time so live it up while you can. This lie also sets us up for believing in ET's or other alien life from elsewhere which opens us up to Demonic consultations from beings with "Higher Knowledge"

The heliocentric model is the reason most of the world feels they should live for today, there is no God, you and I are really just a random product of millions of years of evolution, in an endless ever-expanding cosmos, our mortal life is a very short, temporary existence that will never again be. You are insignificant. Logically the world teaches us to do that which is pleasing unto to ourselves, why should one hold to religion, why are some trying to score brownie points for some vengeful God that does not exist and certainly did not create all this. Live for today for tomorrow we die, that is the way of the world. They teach religion if for those who are weak. All satanic lies.

If earth were a spinning ball, we must be able to prove the official 8" per mile + the Square of that distance, and that formula which calculates at 6 feet of drop per 3 miles, and 6666 feet of curvature per 100 miles is not what we find when testing flat level places like oceans, and other large bodies of water, since 2/3 of earth is water that is paramount. Water always remains flat and water is always level. Landmarks such as cities and towers or coastlines are visible with optics and even naked eyes when they are mathematically hundreds and thousands of feet over the supposed curve. The same people that tell you the boat disappears over the horizon due to curve also will say the earth is too big for you to see any curvature. You can't have it both ways.

Read Job 38, God clearly shows his detest for anyone who claims to know. Read D&C 121:25-31, and ponder this knowledge that was reserved til the last times, why is whether there be one god or many Gods just as significant of revelation as weather there be bounds set to the heavens or to the seas or to the dry land.

I do not know the size nor the shape of the earth, but I do know it is not a ball of 25,000 mile circumference. If it were I would be fine with that, but unfortunately after months of trying to prove my world was the big blue ball spinning in space that I was programmed to believe in, I am now certain the earth sits upon foundations attached to pillars, and has a firmament and that it moveth not.

I would caution you to know there is a lot of fake or "controlled opposition" so do not go to the Flat Earth Society for info on Flat Earth. In fact there is more controlled fake opposition on this subject than there is legitimate folks just trying to get to the bottom of it. No matter what this concept is not going away, there are millions of people waking up to the deception, and overturning this lie is the key to overthrowing all the lies of those secret combines that work for the adversary.

If you are curious how the geocentric model works here is a Facebook page I would recommend looking into.
the page is called "Flat Earth Science and the Bible" start there for some interesting thought provoking information.

Here are some biblical references I found that that are interesting. You may want to reference your King James Version.

Job 37:18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?
Genesis 1:
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Psalm 104:
2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:
Proverbs 8:27 (ESV) When He established the heavens, I was there, When He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep.
Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
Isaiah 48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.
Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
Ezekiel 1:26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
Amos 9:6 (NASB) The One who builds His upper chambers in the heavens And has founded His vaulted dome over the earth,
He who calls for the waters of the sea And pours them out on the face of the earth, The Lord is His name.

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One must ask, If the Mormon church is led by God why aren't they teaching this? Why aren't there teaching about Nephilim? Why with the Mandela effect are they not the bible being changed? Why do they lock things they don't want to talk about in their archives?
Why has god let us believe falsehoods if he has had thousands of years to step in ? Is this love?

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davedan wrote: May 4th, 2015, 3:08 am You don't switch sides like he did and live to tell about it. When you are an insider like he claimed to be, you make oaths that require your life if broken.


John Todd was convicted of rape and sexual molestation of children and died in a State mental institution.
Yes because the Illuminati would never sacrifice one of their people by convicting them of rape and sending them to the mental hospital.

Would you rather be killed or collected by a mental institution for being insane and basically lose all your rights because someone declares you insane?

They know how to use drugs and electroshocks in the mental hospital and cover it up by saying their victims are crazy. That to me proves he is legit.

As far as rape, every satanic insider has done those things and not necessarily while in their right mind. Looks like only the repentant get punished.

Yes there are members of the church who are also Satanists. It helps them get higher in satanism to have the temple ordinances.

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jollyjaws wrote: January 7th, 2019, 12:02 pm One must ask, If the Mormon church is led by God why aren't they teaching this? Why aren't there teaching about Nephilim? Why with the Mandela effect are they not the bible being changed? Why do they lock things they don't want to talk about in their archives?
Why has god let us believe falsehoods if he has had thousands of years to step in ? Is this love?
I don't know if this would apply correctly here, but if you try to answer the question theoretically, under what circumstance would you see your honest friend stealing money from an ATM? I would suppose only under the circumstance that a robber was holding a gun to his head.

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How do you choose people to help the Church?
This was a problem that sunk Kirkland. Faithful members in charge of money and duties turning unfaithful.
No need to blame it all on the Illuminati, though.
The COB could have Illuminati all over in it. But you don't really need a lot--most big doors in this world swing on small hinges.
There is no way there are not eyes and ears for many neutral/government and con-LDS organizations in the Church. Most are just part of the tares that will be burned at the last day.

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Perhaps the whole church is corrupt. We could liken it to the great and spacious building. When people like sheep or lemmings will do anything because they don't think and follow the brethren they will jump off the cliff for their religion.
We can take the examples of the Hoffman forgeries/murders and the church covering it up for one example. We can also see that when Proposition 8 went forward in California the church's 20 million dollars with no revelation on anything from God for lo these last almost 100 years is telling. When was the last Revelation from God to the Mormons? A church that has lost direction from "I the Lord" to "we the brethren" is a good place to start. When there is no Revelation there will be cover up to keep themoney coming in.
If Joseph Smith did not get Revelation from God but was making it up that's a problem.
The church because of internet access has had to write out letters explaining to its membership the difficulties and challenges of the early church on its website.
There is a peculiar bottom line that one must look at in information coming forward in the times we're living in and the Mormon church sadly silent.
If the realities of Flat Earth are true the true church should have been the first one to tell the world or its members.
Any information about The Book of Enoch and the Nephilim the church should already have told its members also. Anything from the heavens to God's children would be nice. We seem to have a God who doesn't care that the information we have is false because for thousands of years he's let us believe in what men tell us. Is this love from a Heavenly being as we plummet headlong Into the Book of Revelations and our own corrupt government bringing us there? No amount of fluff is going to save our hides. Praising Jesus for not telling us is rather stupid.
Can anyone get to the bottom of the experiment that we're living in, in this snow globe Earth!!! That's what we're living in. The only way out is death? Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow!
With the aliens that the Illuminati are going to try to make us believe in I dare say it's best that the great delusion that God is sending us be uncovered. Oh say what is truth!

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More to wake you up and turn on your brains. If it triggers you to defense mode thats a start. There is no excuse for a church led by God to be hoodwinked and for its apologists not to have valid answers other than the knee-jerk ones that come from not investigating.
I am sorry but your comments do not remind me of any experts who have investigated esoteric or occult sciences, nor symbolism and how it plays a role in modern society. Your ramblings kinda remind me of someone on the back of a commuter train going off on a bunch of subjects to the fellow passengers who have no clue what point he is trying to make.

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