There isn't much "LDS" information on the Watchers outside of what is in the uncannonized book of Enoch. Only those that have had experience running into them or have been told by vision or received the information through the Holy Ghost have heard more than that.Jerry J Fletcher wrote:Jesus the Christ created numberless and countless worlds that He atoned for - do you have a reference for that thought?serenitylala wrote:Jerry J Fletcher wrote:That hasn't happened on other earths? Or in other words, is there posterity of Adam on other planets? Is there more than one Christ or did Jesus suffer for the worlds without number as well?
Moses 1:34"Adam" is a "calling." There are more than one "Adam". Each planet has to have one.And the first man of all men have I called Adam, which is many.
As for Christs? Well that is part of the doctrine of continuation of eternal lives and being a Savior is a calling as well. Jesus Christ created numberless and countless worlds that He atoned for.
There are watchers on other worlds as well... good and bad. Being a "watcher" is a form of calling that you can either magnify or ... well, "not magnify" (putting it way too mildly).
Apparently, the ones that came here AND did this mess that sparked the flood, were fallen. I just don't understand why they are sealed up somewhere on this planet in a prison of sorts. Why not send them somewhere else? I hear Mars is good this time of year.
Thank you for the reference on Adam.
I'm familiar with the new age version of watchers. I had a co-worker write a novel based around that concept as well as Old Testament references that I thoroughly reviewed. Do you have references on latter day revelation concerning them?
But as a whole, the Watchers are a pretty dark subject: Not the "feel good movie" of the year so to speak. Therefore, we don't discuss them much, except to say let the 144,000 deal with them. We have too much to worry about with the adversary as it is. The Watchers are an entirely different ballgame that we really shouldn't play.
As for the reference on the Savior [a much better and happier subject ]: the references to His stewardship to numberless creations all over the D&C and the Pearl of Great Price. For instance in Moses, the Word is Christ. And countless worlds were created through the Word.
Also, in Abraham and in the temple endowment, the Savior is responsible for heading up the creation of this planet... wherein He comes Lord of the planet as Jehovah in the Old testament as He is called.
Therefore for every planet that He creates, He is given stewardship over and is responsible for---which part of that responsibility is to be the Savior for those worlds. The doctrines surrounding this are all contained in the D&C.
But here is the whole kicker, no amount of references or LDS scholars are going to amount to one single witness of the Holy Ghost. The best place to get all information from is the Lord. The only difference between Joseph Smith (whom the Lord revealed some of the most profound doctrines to) and everyone else is just three things: determination to the keep the commandments, asking the best questions, and having the faith to know that he will receive an answer.
I still am working on the "asking the best questions" part... that I am not that good at. The rest: I'm too stubborn not to be determined, and the Lord "upbraideth not" when a person asks Him for information.