Rosabella's Research and Website: What It Really Is About

[ChemtrailWatchercaptain of 100]

Thanks katmr. I've learned much from you too.

[BrianM]

Why on earth do I keep coming back????

Cause we're all friends here

(at least we should be, despite any disagreements.)

[Rensaicaptain of 100]

Why on earth do I keep coming back????

Cause we're all friends here

(at least we should be, despite any disagreements.)

Yes we should all be friends, so why do I feel like a need a shower after slogging through this thread? Its sad to see the constant bickering when we all have so much in common and so many reasons to stand together against this corrupt world. It can get discouraging fast, but there is a lot of good here too. I've learned a lot from a lot of smart people, and that definitely includes Bella. I appreciate that a great deal. So I'll just say thanks to Bella and everyone else who posts good, informative posts and leave it at that.

[katmrcaptain of 100]

Why on earth do I keep coming back????

Cause we're all friends here

(at least we should be, despite any disagreements.)

Yes we should all be friends, so why do I feel like a need a shower after slogging through this thread? Its sad to see the constant bickering when we all have so much in common and so many reasons to stand together against this corrupt world. It can get discouraging fast, but there is a lot of good here too. I've learned a lot from a lot of smart people, and that definitely includes Bella. I appreciate that a great deal. So I'll just say thanks to Bella and everyone else who posts good, informative posts and leave it at that.

I agree with you both completely. I hope that we can all see each other as friends even though we don't always agree. I read a quote once that I loved. It said something like "Just because someone throws something at you, doesn't mean you have to catch it." In other words, just because someone says something about us or towards us doesn't mean that we need to take offense or even take it personally.
It's kind of like the saying that a 'house divided against itself cannot stand.' We all belong to the same house. We don't all have to agree but I hope that we can all be more kind in our dealings with one another.

[p51-mustangcaptain of 1,000]

The description of this particular index is this:

For Discussion of the Spiritual/Religious side of the Secret Combination. i.e. New Age Movement, Occult, New Spirituality, The Shift, The Secret, The Law of Attraction.

I think it is rather odd that some are criticizing Bella for talking about those things this site encourages us to talk about....sheeesh!

[kathyncaptain of 1,000]

p51-mustang +1.

[MercynGracecaptain of 100]

Reductionism. -1

[MercynGracecaptain of 100]

Yes we should all be friends, so why do I feel like a need a shower after slogging through this thread? Its sad to see the constant bickering when we all have so much in common and so many reasons to stand together against this corrupt world. It can get discouraging fast, but there is a lot of good here too. I've learned a lot from a lot of smart people, and that definitely includes Bella. I appreciate that a great deal. So I'll just say thanks to Bella and everyone else who posts good, informative posts and leave it at that.

I apologize, Rensai for my contribution to any feeling of contention.

[p51-mustangcaptain of 1,000]

Why on earth do I keep coming back????

Cause we're all friends here

(at least we should be, despite any disagreements.)

Yes we should all be friends, so why do I feel like a need a shower after slogging through this thread? Its sad to see the constant bickering when we all have so much in common and so many reasons to stand together against this corrupt world. It can get discouraging fast, but there is a lot of good here too. I've learned a lot from a lot of smart people, and that definitely includes Bella. I appreciate that a great deal. So I'll just say thanks to Bella and everyone else who posts good, informative posts and leave it at that.

Yes, why cant we follow that great sage Rodney King's advice and just "all get along" ......

[Gideoncaptain of 100]

All the people who I know that are LDS and into the New Age teachings and bringing them into the church feel they have the "spirit" and center their lives around Christ.

It is the same in my stake. They (energy healers) believe that they are being led by the Spirit, and all they have to do is to live right and they will always be guided to only good things. They explicitly state that there is no need to evaluate the science if they have the Spirit.

They live the Gospel, serve in callings, pray frequently, and attend the temple often. I know of one, not in my stake, who is earnestly pursuing Calling and Election.

Because they neglect the instruction from Paul to: "Prove all things..." (1 Thess 5:21), they can be carefully led away from the path.

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

Speaking from experience - when practicing many of these things, you feel so awesome, full of energy and positive, it is practically impossible to accept that you could be doing anything wrong. It did not help to have two bishops with whom I discussed what I was doing support me in it (ki energy manipulation).

[happy@lifecaptain of 100]

Speaking from experience - when practicing many of these things, you feel so awesome, full of energy and positive, it is practically impossible to accept that you could be doing anything wrong. It did not help to have two bishops with whom I discussed what I was doing support me in it (ki energy manipulation).

What fruits told you what you were doing was wrong? It seems to me there is a fine line. I have seen cases where medical treatment fails to heal, and the spirit has lead to alternative means which have caused healing to progress. Was it a false spirit? If the fruits were good was the treatment "evil"?

[MercynGracecaptain of 100]

It's sad how little our own people seem to be experiencing the power of Christ in their lives that they feel the need to look elsewhere.

I'm reminded of when my children were babies and they would reach for the wrong thing over and over and over again. Pulling on electrical cords, grabbing curtains, trying to meet their need for stimulation by grabbing hold of dangerous or heavy things that, unbeknownst to them, could cause real injury.

No matter how often I said "No", they persisted because their needs weren't being met. They were curious by nature and had a need to learn and grow through tactile experiences.

What did work was giving them a toy. It satisfied their need in a safe, appropriate, and mommy authorized way.

Like spiritual children, tossed to and fro, seeking to have our needs met through inappropriate, dangerous and ultimately unsatisfying avenues we sometimes go out in search of the philosophies of men.

The quickest way to mature past this vain wandering after the ways of the world and its false god, is to follow the counsel Paul gave to the people of Ephesus:

...come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

The most beautiful and spiritually maturing message in all of scripture is "Come unto Christ"!

I just got a phone call from my brother this morning. He is experiencing a true change of heart and it shows. He is filled with love for others and finally allowing himself to accept love from God. He said to me "I am closer to the Savior than I have ever been because I am studying the scriptures like I never have before."

Truly, Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

[Original_Intentcaptain of 1,000]

Speaking from experience - when practicing many of these things, you feel so awesome, full of energy and positive, it is practically impossible to accept that you could be doing anything wrong. It did not help to have two bishops with whom I discussed what I was doing support me in it (ki energy manipulation).

What fruits told you what you were doing was wrong? It seems to me there is a fine line. I have seen cases where medical treatment fails to heal, and the spirit has lead to alternative means which have caused healing to progress. Was it a false spirit? If the fruits were good was the treatment "evil"?

It wasn't ki healing, it was used in martial arts. Healing was only one aspect.
I personally never saw any bad fruits after ten+ years of involvement. But I just kept getting a nagging feeling that it was not right. the biggest thing that bothered me was no personal righteousness involved, it was just a matter of manifesting your will. I struggled with it for a long time before finally just deciding that despite what my two bishops had told me (which was essentially that there was nothing wrong with it and they believed we were invoking heavenly spiritual aid) again, what finally decided the issue for me is that there was a non-member who I studied with, very loose morals and so forth, and he had as much ability as anyone else. It was not conditional upon righteousness.

[Rosabellacaptain of 1,000]

Speaking from experience - when practicing many of these things, you feel so awesome, full of energy and positive, it is practically impossible to accept that you could be doing anything wrong. It did not help to have two bishops with whom I discussed what I was doing support me in it (ki energy manipulation).

What fruits told you what you were doing was wrong? It seems to me there is a fine line. I have seen cases where medical treatment fails to heal, and the spirit has lead to alternative means which have caused healing to progress. Was it a false spirit? If the fruits were good was the treatment "evil"?

happy@life

I am all for alternative medicine such as herbs etc, but this is an area that as you say has a very fine line.

It is truly a very hard area to tell what is of God and what is not. The fruits may appear to be good but the power can come from the Adversary. It takes a very strong gift of discernment to know and not all LDS have the gift of discernment and especially not all the time. We have to truly be in-tune with the Spirit and many sadly think they are when they are not and fall prey to the cunning tricks of the Devil.

We are told the Devil can heal people, so people have a very hard time knowing which power healed unless it is through the Priesthood or practical scientific methods and not the pseudo-scientific methods where the Adversary can trick us. Especially though things that deal with powers or forces, electro-biology is said to be one of the areas the Devil has powers over, which means he may possibly use that area to fool us.

Elder Willard Richards of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, Millennial Star, 30 April 1853, Volume 15, Pages 273-276, 289-292.

He [Devil] presides over the arts of astrology, clairvoyance, mesmerism, electro-biology, and all auguries and divinations.

There are wonderful alternative methods out there that are not related to the power of the Adversary.

Here are some quotes from the Church where they say the Adversary can heal. This is a very confusing and difficult area.

(I have other quotes also, these were ones I just posted on another thread, I just pulled out some that related to the Adversary's healing.)

This topic probably should have its own thread.

James E. Talmage Articles of Faith

Page 211

“Satan has shown himself to be an accomplished strategist and a skillful imitator; the most deplorable of his victories are due to his simulation of good, whereby the undiscerning have been led captive. Let no one be deluded with the thought that any act, the immediate result of which appears to be benign, is necessarily productive of permanent good. It may serve the dark purposes of Satan to play upon the human sense of goodness, even to the extent of healing the body and apparently of thwarting death.”

James E. Talmage, Articles of Faith, Ch.12, p.232 - p.233

The restoration of the Priesthood to earth in this age of the world was followed by a phenomenal growth of the vagaries of spiritualism, whereby many were led to put their trust in Satan's counterfeit of God's eternal power. The development of the healing gift in the Church today is imitated in a degree comparable to that with which the magicians simulated the miracles of Moses, by the varied faith cures and their numerous modifications. For those to whom miraculous signs are all-sufficient, the imitation will answer as well as would the real; but the soul who regards the miracle in its true nature as but one element of the system of Christ, possessing value as a positive criterion only as it is associated with the numerous other characteristics of the Church, will not be deceived.

Journal of Discourses, Vol.13, p.134 - p.135, Orson Pratt, April 10, 1870

The rising generation are proud, haughty, high-minded, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God; fighting against His people; given to whoredom and prostitution and all manner of iniquity and abominations; guilty of all the abominations named by the apostle that should characterize the false churches of the latter days, having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof. That is, denying the gifts of healing, miracles, prophecy, revelation, the ministering and discerning of spirits. All these things were denied when the Book of Mormon came forth. Of course the devil saw that it was not policy, with all the Scriptures staring them in the face, and all the Latter-day Saint Elders quoting these Scriptures to show the necessity of the gifts, to keep them denying these gifts; hence he introduced them under the name of Spiritualism.

Collected Discourses, Vol.3, B. H. Roberts, June 5, 1892

Men blessed with peculiar powers, heal the sick; and the "Christian Science Healing" makes its appearance. Occasionally some man comes into our midst, and heals the sick, and to some this appears such a marvel and wonder, that they are ready to run after such a one, and account him a wonderful man. Why should the Saints run after such? Is there any need of it? Hath not the Savior said unto His servants, "Ye shall lay hands on the sick in my name, and the prayer of faith shall save the sick." What need is there of going after those who possess this one gift, when in the church we have the gifts of healing, and numerous others, among them the gift of revelation--communication from the other world?

Collected Discourses, Vol.3, George Q. Cannon, October 8th, 1893

Nevertheless, there is a personal devil, just as sure as there is a personal God. He has not a tabernacle; but he is a living entity, and he is endeavoring to destroy the work of God by producing imitations of it and showing unto the inhabitants of the earth that they can obtain power without obeying the laws of God. ....

Christian Science, whose doctrines are being insidiously spread throughout the country. They are publishing books and circulating them gratuitously and endeavoring to undermine the faith of the people in the ordinances of the Gospel and in the words of Jesus contained in the New Testament. They tell the sick not to believe they are sick, to exercise their will power, and to consider sickness as imaginary; and we are told they are doing mighty works in healing the people. I would not be surprised at that, because I know that Satan is almost capable of deceiving the very elect. I believe that Satan can make himself appear to those who cannot discern, as an angel of light; and if he has that power, he has power also to deceive men and women in the flesh by performing mighty works.

Joseph E. Robinson, Conference Report, October 1905, p.58

They have built up an ethereal sphere, through perverted imagination or fancy, that is wholly untenable to the matter-of-fact man. Christian Science, friends and followers in that State have fructified to that extent that there are many branches of Home Love, of Faith Healing, and of Faith Cure; and it is their hope, so I have been told by some of their leaders, that it will not be long before they shall live and never taste of death, through their knowledge of Christian Science. But these people deny Jesus as the Christ, the Son of God

James H. Moyle, Conference Report, October 1929, p.126

Fifty years ago or more when I was a boy, and when spiritualism was being introduced, I heard the elders of the Church say that the time would come when all of the great truths of the gospel would in some way be more or less duplicated, as spiritualism was then attempting to duplicate one of the features of the truth revealed in our time. Later came a science of healing, by faith and a popular religion, its chief corner stone being healing by faith.

“Chapter 22: The Gifts of the Spirit,” Gospel Principles, (2009)

Satan Imitates the Gifts of the Spirit

How can we discern between the true gifts of the Spirit and Satan’s imitations?

Satan can imitate the gifts of tongues, prophecy, visions, healings, and other miracles. Moses had to compete with Satan’s imitations in Pharaoh’s court (see Exodus 7:8–22). Satan wants us to believe in his false prophets, false healers, and false miracle workers. They may appear to be so real to us that the only way to know is to ask God for the gift of discernment. The devil himself can appear as an angel of light (see 2 Nephi 9:9).

[Gideoncaptain of 100]

Speaking from experience - when practicing many of these things, you feel so awesome, full of energy and positive, it is practically impossible to accept that you could be doing anything wrong. It did not help to have two bishops with whom I discussed what I was doing support me in it (ki energy manipulation).

As I study Elder Oaks General Conference address on healing, I don't see any place for energy healing. He says: "Latter-day Saints believe in applying the best available scientific knowledge and techniques." He also mentions prayers of faith and priesthood blessings. Since energy healing doesn't involve religion or science, where does it fit?

Energy healers can't even define what they mean by "human energy system". What kind of energy? How is measured? How can someone control it? If they can control it, how do they know they are doing good only? They don't have answers for these questions.

[larsenbcaptain of 1,000]

Speaking from experience - when practicing many of these things, you feel so awesome, full of energy and positive, it is practically impossible to accept that you could be doing anything wrong. It did not help to have two bishops with whom I discussed what I was doing support me in it (ki energy manipulation).

As I study Elder Oaks General Conference address on healing, I don't see any place for energy healing. He says: "Latter-day Saints believe in applying the best available scientific knowledge and techniques." He also mentions prayers of faith and priesthood blessings. Since energy healing doesn't involve religion or science, where does it fit?

Energy healers can't even define what they mean by "human energy system". What kind of energy? How is measured? How can someone control it? If they can control it, how do they know they are doing good only? They don't have answers for these questions.

I think you're in a gray area here, as others have suggested. You can actually hone in on acupuncture meridians and points using electro-potential differentiometers. What is the relationship and/or interaction between ki or prana or kundalini and electropotential fields in the body?

A developing field deals with how some cell receptors specifically deal with electromagnetic input (which includes light). This has enormous implications to LDS in terms of the role we believe light and perhaps other wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum plays in its intermediation between us and the Lord and maybe everything else.