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2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Shift"

Postby Rosabella » Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:20 am

http://www.2012timeforchange.com

This is another movie coming out that is based on the New Spirituality and the New Science

"2012: Time for Change"
projects a radical alternative to apocalyptic doom and gloom. Directed by Emmy Award nominee Joao Amorim, the film follows journalist Daniel Pinchbeck, author of the bestselling 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl, on a quest for a new paradigm that integrates the archaic wisdom of tribal cultures with the scientific method. As conscious agents of evolution, we can redesign post-industrial society on ecological principles to make a world that works for all. Rather than breakdown and barbarism, 2012 will herald the birth of a regenerative planetary culture, where collaboration replaces competition, where exploration of psyche and spirit becomes the new cutting edge, replacing the sterile materialism that has pushed our world to the brink.

Interviews with design scientists, anthropologists, physicists such as Dean Radin, Barbara Marx Hubbard, John Todd and Paul Stamets and celebrities such as Sting, Ellen Page and Gilberto Gil.
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Shift"

Postby kathyn » Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:03 pm

Bella, is that the same John Todd who converted to Christianity from being a druid leader of some kind? I guess he's "evolved" to an even higher spiritual plane, now, eh?

I would think that it's another movie that's exploiting 2012, but when I see that Barbara Marx Hubbard is part of it, then I know for sure that it's part of the occult.
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Shift"

Postby ndjili » Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:31 am

Boy Barbara Marx Hubbard is looking pretty <shudder> scary. She had better hurray up and evolve. It doesnt look like she has much time left lol. Yeah I wondered the same thing about the John Todd thing.
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Shift"

Postby Henmasher » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:23 am

Well if shoveling goat stuff is fun I know where where there is a ton of dog poo that has been hiding under snow until now. And they can shovel until they turn into pure energy!
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Shift"

Postby kathyn » Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:15 pm

Rather than breakdown and barbarism, 2012 will herald the birth of a regenerative planetary culture, where collaboration replaces competition, where exploration of psyche and spirit becomes the new cutting edge, replacing the sterile materialism that has pushed our world to the brink.


Those celebrities interviewed are pretty well-off financially. Do you really believe that they will all become earth mothers in 2012 or will they still want all of their nice things? I'm betting they will want to keep their same lifestyle but want the rest of us to sacrifice for the good of the earth.
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Shift"

Postby SmallFarm » Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:02 pm

I want to thank you Bella for shining a light on these things. SOME of us here appreciate the job you're doing. Keep up the good work!
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Shift"

Postby ndjili » Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:39 pm

I want to thank you Bella for shining a light on these things. SOME of us here appreciate the job you're doing. Keep up the good work!


Ditto that! :wink:
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Shift"

Postby kathyn » Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:42 pm

+2, SmallFarm.
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Shift"

Postby Mosby » Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:57 pm

Bella- Have you seen this? You may have covered it before, but I ran across in ad for this in the Costco magazine. Notice the title of his "new" book.

Looks like Dyer is working hard these days:

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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Shift"

Postby Squally » Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:11 pm

That video made me laugh and reminded once of an experience I had.

Once I shoveled some horse crap, and it felt soo good. But the best was when I shoveled some elephant dung. That was absolutely amazing....

Maybe the desire to shovel crap will lead many people to desire the shift. lol.
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Shift"

Postby Rosabella » Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:44 pm

Mosby wrote:Bella- Have you seen this? You may have covered it before, but I ran across in ad for this in the Costco magazine. Notice the title of his "new" book.

Looks like Dyer is working hard these days:

http://www.drwaynedyer.com/

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Thanks for sharing :)

I do not think I have talked about that book here, and yes he is working very hard.
There are two movies called The Shift one that is being made right now: http://www.theshiftmovie.com

And Wayne Dyer's movie called The Shift, which the book goes along with.
http://www.dyermovie.com

So his book "The Shift' that goes along with his own movie called "The Shift' made in 2009.

They are different movies but basically the same message. These two different movies called "The Shift" are quite often confused.

From what I have been able to tell so far these two movies is Dyer's goes primarily into the personal shift that happens the "awakening" and goes more over the idea that we were taught wrongly about achievement and accumulation but then come to a point in life where we search for true meaning a place where we wonder what purpose our life has and change to a life of meaning, focused on serving and giving back. Where this is not a totally false idea it is a truth repackage in their spirituality to eliminate the True God out of the picture and replace you as God.There in lies the Shift from the believe of a God to the belief you are God or from the belief of traditional atheism to spiritualized atheism.

The other movie goes into more of the entire world's Shift or Awakening to these "new found truths" that all is God and we all need to work together as a collective.

The shift is a paradigm shift of perspectives of how to view humanity, God and your own divinity. It is a shifting of perception from a material point of view to a spiritual one where one comes to the understanding that All is God. That is why you will hear it quite often said the Shift occurs "within" then as each person's consciousness connects with others that have made the Shift it creates a transformation of the earth.

Their belief is that all is God and all is good, therefore there is no sin, no judgment, and no redemption from sin. Atonement in their conception is merely the awakening to the oneness of everything, At One Ment, the belief that At-One-Ment means all things are one and all is God. Basically we are all just avatars of this universal force they call God, that together we make up the body of God. There is no true separation of spirits or personalities; we are all just part of the force or "god".

This for me really shows Lucifer's ideas in this teaching, for he desired us to not have agency. In this belief there is a false sense of freedom but underlining that there is no true agency for we are all continuously overshadowed by the "Christ consciousness" which is the force or the universe. Though they interestingly say it is a choice we have to make to choose this path. Once you choose this path you are told to let this force flow through you at all times and become one with it and its will.

It is very similar to what we say when we talk about submitting to Father's will, but they submit to the will of the universe or the force. The difference is they are all assimilated into being "cells of the body of Christ" as they call it. Where we are able to keep our unique body, personality, and what we identify as existing as a "Being" but only become like Father. We do not merge into a single being. It is like they are trying to go back to becoming un-gathered intelligences again as a final goal, instead of seeking to become like Father. That is pretty much their definition of godhood: just being unorganized intelligence. Without form or individuality but just being part of the force.

Yet in the deeper doctrines they will teach of this hierarchy of ascended beings that have gone through many incarnations and now direct the planet. They even say the one that is in charge of the evolution of man to this higher understanding is Lucifer. So it appears we are to become just part of Lucifer or an extension of him. Some writings explain we are all merely avatars of the source "Lucifer" and we will go back to source when we finish our evolution. So in this we see two different ideas, one where we are all just force energy and another where we evolve to become ascended masters. So what they appear to be saying is to be an ascended master is to have give you will over to Lucifer and become just an extension of his will.
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Shift"

Postby Mosby » Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:43 pm

Bella- Thanks for that post, I've read several of Dyers books- and I'm not going to lie- I like a few of them. However- I've always kept an arm's distance. I've noticed that whole "You are God" teaching in Dyers books. Which is a VERY dangerous doctrine.

Have you heard of James Arthur Ray? I bought a cd set of his at a yard sale- great stuff, good business stuff. However as I listened to his cds in my car I picked up on a few themes-

"I am God, and God is all around me" - (daily affirmation)
"the earth needs to change- but it's not time yet, maybe someday you will help me"

It's amazing how sublte and skilled these guys are 99 truths- with 1 small lie.

Thank goodness for the Holy Ghost!!!!
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Shift"

Postby kathyn » Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:59 pm

Actually, Mosby, that one lie is HUGE, not small. It completely removes Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost as the Godhead and replaces it with ME and YOU. What could be more blasphemous?
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Shift"

Postby Rosabella » Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:05 pm

Mosby wrote:Bella- Thanks for that post, I've read several of Dyers books- and I'm not going to lie- I like a few of them. However- I've always kept an arm's distance. I've noticed that whole "You are God" teaching in Dyers books. Which is a VERY dangerous doctrine.

Have you heard of James Arthur Ray? I bought a cd set of his at a yard sale- great stuff, good business stuff. However as I listened to his cds in my car I picked up on a few themes-

"I am God, and God is all around me" - (daily affirmation)
"the earth needs to change- but it's not time yet, maybe someday you will help me"

It's amazing how sublte and skilled these guys are 99 truths- with 1 small lie.

Thank goodness for the Holy Ghost!!!!


Yep James Arthur Ray teaches the same occult teachings. He was in the movie "The Secret" which is promoting the long time occult doctrine of the Law of Attraction. He is just like all the rest of them using the self-help area of motivational tools and teachings mingled with spirituality and the "new" science.

He has had tons of controversy lately due to a horrible incident at a retreat he did that caused the deaths of 3 persons and 18 being taken to the hospital because of attending a sweat lodge ceremony James Arthur Ray was officiating at.

This is a must see video!
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/spiritual-leader-james-ray-arrested-sweat-lodge-deaths/story?id=9741781

He encourage people to stay in the sweat lodge as they got sick and died.

It does not look like his Law of Attraction worked well for him or any of those poor people. This is what happens with these evil works for they are not of God. One can say it was an accident but he was being their spiritual guide that they felt knew better than them. I see this as being a false prophet. Just as the devil does not sustain his followers in the day of their trial nor did Ray sustain his.
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Shift"

Postby Mosby » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:09 pm

kathyrn- You are correct. I'm totally on board with that.

Bella- thanks for the heads up. I do value your research and work, thanks alot.

Whoa......Just wanted that video- evil, pure evil.........wow
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Shift"

Postby Rosabella » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:16 pm

Mosby wrote:kathyrn- You are correct. I'm totally on board with that.

Bella- thanks for the heads up. I do value your research and work, thanks alot.


You are more than welcome! I hope it helps :)

It is so hard to tell the difference between the two kinds of "good" in the world today. But there is a big difference as you and kathyn have said.
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Sh

Postby Squally » Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:57 pm

Looks like it is taking a long time to make this movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBsIRhl5 ... feature=BF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBsIRhl5 ... u_in_order

They need more money to finish the film. Perhaps the exposure of the global warming scam has hindered their supporters?
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Sh

Postby Mummy » Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:55 pm

Squally wrote:Looks like it is taking a long time to make this movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBsIRhl5 ... feature=BF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBsIRhl5 ... u_in_order

They need more money to finish the film. Perhaps the exposure of the global warming scam has hindered their supporters?


Extremely difficult to squeeze money out of a bunch of selfish buggers living on the edge of their incomes! .....and the ones that aren't living on the edge of their incomes......are even tighter with their funding! Unless you have a direct method (like a vaccine).....

Bella....so glad to have you back!!!! Thank you for your insights!

Looking forward helping!
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Sh

Postby Mummy » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:14 am

If you really want to change things, you first need to come to terms with just how corrupt and evil the current system is.

An incomplete understanding of the situation will lead to half baked solutions that accomplish nothing!

See Jason!
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Sh

Postby Original_Intent » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:17 am

Mummy wrote:
Squally wrote:Looks like it is taking a long time to make this movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBsIRhl5 ... feature=BF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBsIRhl5 ... u_in_order

They need more money to finish the film. Perhaps the exposure of the global warming scam has hindered their supporters?


Extremely difficult to squeeze money out of a bunch of selfish buggers living on the edge of their incomes! .....and the ones that aren't living on the edge of their incomes......are even tighter with their funding! Unless you have a direct method (like a vaccine).....

Bella....so glad to have you back!!!! Thank you for your insights!

Looking forward helping!


I thought the same thing - "Yay! Bella's back!" but then noticed her last post in this thread was February.

Sorry to rain on your parade. :|
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Sh

Postby Mummy » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:20 am

Original_Intent wrote:
Mummy wrote:
Squally wrote:Looks like it is taking a long time to make this movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBsIRhl5 ... feature=BF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBsIRhl5 ... u_in_order

They need more money to finish the film. Perhaps the exposure of the global warming scam has hindered their supporters?


Extremely difficult to squeeze money out of a bunch of selfish buggers living on the edge of their incomes! .....and the ones that aren't living on the edge of their incomes......are even tighter with their funding! Unless you have a direct method (like a vaccine).....

Bella....so glad to have you back!!!! Thank you for your insights!

Looking forward helping!


I thought the same thing - "Yay! Bella's back!" but then noticed her last post in this thread was February.

Sorry to rain on your parade. :|


Well shucks....reckon a little rain never hurt anyone. I'll have to resort to email.....
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Sh

Postby Rosabella » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:56 pm

Original_Intent wrote:
Mummy wrote:
I thought the same thing - "Yay! Bella's back!" but then noticed her last post in this thread was February.

Sorry to rain on your parade. :|


Well shucks....reckon a little rain never hurt anyone. I'll have to resort to email.....



You guys are cute! Yes this is Bella I am back, just have only posted a little bit this week. This is the first again on this thread, but I think it could use some updating :) I just had Brian change all my posts from Bella to Rosabella. I really prefer Rosabella. Sorry for the confusion but yep it is indeed little old me ;)

Mummy are you who I think you are :)
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Sh

Postby Mummy » Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:54 am

Rosabella wrote:
Original_Intent wrote:
Mummy wrote:
I thought the same thing - "Yay! Bella's back!" but then noticed her last post in this thread was February.

Sorry to rain on your parade. :|


Well shucks....reckon a little rain never hurt anyone. I'll have to resort to email.....



You guys are cute! Yes this is Bella I am back, just have only posted a little bit this week. This is the first again on this thread, but I think it could use some updating :) I just had Brian change all my posts from Bella to Rosabella. I really prefer Rosabella. Sorry for the confusion but yep it is indeed little old me ;)

Mummy are you who I think you are :)


LOL....depends on who you think I am......but if I'm thinking what you are thinking.....then you would be correct!

So glad to have you back....things are getting more and more interesting by the week! Looking forward to assisting you when you are ready to roll!
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Sh

Postby ready2prepare » Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:10 pm

Oh well..."Shift" happens... :lol:

Welcome back, Rosabella!

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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Sh

Postby Raindrop » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:02 pm

Mummy wrote: Looking forward to assisting you when you are ready to roll!


What's this mean?
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Re: 2012: Time For Change (This is another movie like"The Sh

Postby Mummy » Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:04 pm

Raindrop wrote:
Mummy wrote: Looking forward to assisting you when you are ready to roll!


What's this mean?


Nothing to anyone but Rosabella!
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