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Postby ebenezerarise » Tue May 12, 2015 9:36 am

Thinker wrote:It documented how one of the leaders after questioning the financial management of the church, was suddenly sick and died in the hospital - and other similar stories but not as fatal.


It is documented? Where????

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Postby sushi_chef » Tue May 12, 2015 1:05 pm

"Revisiting John Todd: "Rothschilds Rule with Druid Witches" August 7, 2013

The Rothschild family is at the head of the Illuminati - they are the Illuminati Holy Trinity combined, with the Pope thrown in. The capstone will be placed on the pyramid when a Rothschild becomes the Messiah or anti-Christ. The evil eye in the capstone is Lucifer. The Rothschilds appoint a family to run each country. In the US, it is the Rockefellers. Every President since Woodrow Wilson has been a member of the Illuminati....

Todd's message seems too bizarre to be believed. But in the context of the phony 9-11 attacks, the phony war on terror, the suspension of Constitutional protections, the erection of a police state, the failure of Congress and the media,the dumbing down and homosexualization of society, the sexualization of children, the explicit Satanism, depravity and pornography in the "entertainment" industry, Todd makes a lot of sense.
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http://www.henrymakow.com/witches_rule_ ... aid_j.html


seems church had to learn the truth and the value of money. perhaps those bankers/magnates might have been at least illuminati agenda followers, worshippers of illuminati god....

"money isn't everything, wilford. temples don't pay for themselves, peter. .....peter, james and john meet woodruff, carnegie, and rockefeller by Cal Grondahl
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is said frank cannon(1859-1933 senate) and his father president george q. cannon went to new york and obtained the backing of investment bank Kuhn, Loeb & Co, Rothschild's controlled ....

kuhn loeb lds
http://search.yahoo.co.jp/search?p=kuhn ... 1_sa&x=wrt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_J._Cannon

"Who financed Lenin and Trotsky?

....This amazing story begins with the war between Russia and Japan in 1904. Jacob Schiff, who was head of the New York investment firm Kuhn, Loeb and Company, had raised the capital for large war loans to Japan. It was due to this funding that the Japanese were able to launch a stunning attack against the Russians at Port Arthur and the following year to virtually decimate the Russian fleet. In 1905 the Mikado awarded Jacob Schiff a medal, the Second Order of the Treasure of Japan, in recognition of his important role in that campaign. ....Jacob Schiff was head of the New York investment firm Kuhn, Loeb and Co. He was one of the principal backers of the Bolshevik revolution and personally financed Trotsky's trip from New York to Russia. He was a major contributor to Woodrow Wilson's....
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kuhn loeb japanese russo war
http://search.yahoo.co.jp/search?p=kuhn ... 1_sa&x=wrt


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Matthew 6:24(KJV).

he wasn't ordained as lds president....
"January 28, 2008 Succession in the First Presidency of the Mormon Church
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Re: is lds church illuminati free??

Postby Thinker » Wed May 13, 2015 7:12 am

ebenezerarise wrote:
Thinker wrote:It documented how one of the leaders after questioning the financial management of the church, was suddenly sick and died in the hospital - and other similar stories but not as fatal.


It is documented? Where????

I looked for the source before I posted that, and I just spent quite some time looking again, to no avail.
I read it about 5 years ago, and frankly, it disturbed me so much I've chosen to put it back on the metaphorical "shelf" to be ignored.
If I find it, I'll let you know.
Freemasonry rituals were mentioned. Freemasonry is like the church - at the local level fine - but at top levels, corrupt "secret combos."
And if you note, throughout the conference center, there are statues and artwork of Freemasonry.

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Postby ebenezerarise » Wed May 13, 2015 8:12 am

Quite a stretch there, Thinker.

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Postby gkearney » Wed May 13, 2015 11:00 am

Thinker wrote:And if you note, throughout the conference center, there are statues and artwork of Freemasonry.


Now I' a Freemason and I like to think a fairly well read one at that. I have been through most of the rituals, read the one I have not taken part in. I have been to the Conference Centre inSalt Lake and while I will admit to not spending hours in it looking for Masonic symbolism, which I can generally pick out quickly, I do not recall seeing anything that stood out as overtly Masonic in nature there, unlike say the Salt Lake Temple exterior.

Perhaps you would care to offer some examples of these Masonic motifs?

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Postby Fiannan » Thu May 14, 2015 4:19 am

gkearney wrote:
Thinker wrote:And if you note, throughout the conference center, there are statues and artwork of Freemasonry.


Now I' a Freemason and I like to think a fairly well read one at that. I have been through most of the rituals, read the one I have not taken part in. I have been to the Conference Centre inSalt Lake and while I will admit to not spending hours in it looking for Masonic symbolism, which I can generally pick out quickly, I do not recall seeing anything that stood out as overtly Masonic in nature there, unlike say the Salt Lake Temple exterior.

Perhaps you would care to offer some examples of these Masonic motifs?


Maybe she is making reference to either the pentagram or hexagram (the sacred seals of Solomon) that are on temples and such. On the other hand I have been to Rome many times and there are many, many signs and symbols and statues that are Masonic. Never seen a statue in Salt Lake that was overtly Masonic.

I might add though that many of these symbols are ancient and probably date back to before Noah. Would be interesting to know what symbols Noah used for his religion -- I would not be surprised if it was the pentagram as it has mathematical significance.
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Re: is lds church illuminati free??

Postby Thinker » Thu May 14, 2015 7:30 am

Fiannan wrote:
gkearney wrote:
Thinker wrote:And if you note, throughout the conference center, there are statues and artwork of Freemasonry.


Now I' a Freemason and I like to think a fairly well read one at that. I have been through most of the rituals, read the one I have not taken part in. I have been to the Conference Centre inSalt Lake and while I will admit to not spending hours in it looking for Masonic symbolism, which I can generally pick out quickly, I do not recall seeing anything that stood out as overtly Masonic in nature there, unlike say the Salt Lake Temple exterior.

Perhaps you would care to offer some examples of these Masonic motifs?


Maybe she is making reference to either the pentagram or hexagram (the sacred seals of Solomon) that are on temples and such. On the other hand I have been to Rome many times and there are many, many signs and symbols and statues that are Masonic. Never seen a statue in Salt Lake that was overtly Masonic.

I might add though that many of these symbols are ancient and probably date back to before Noah. Would be interesting to know what symbols Noah used for his religion -- I would not be surprised if it was the pentagram as it has mathematical significance.

No, this was recent - Ezra Taft Benson was "disciplined" and I don't remember if it was Harold B Lee or Bruce McConkie.

And it doesn't take much to see Masonic bronze statues (not huge but still there) throughout the conference center.
No surprise - lds.org doesn't display them on their website. ;)
Just go and you'll see them - unless they took them down since.

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Disciplined?

Any pics of statues?
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Postby ebenezerarise » Thu May 14, 2015 12:04 pm

There are NO masonic statues or symbols whatsoever in the Conference Center.

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Postby gkearney » Thu May 14, 2015 12:07 pm

ebenezerarise wrote:There are NO masonic statues or symbols whatsoever in the Conference Center.


Gee I don't know if I would go as far as to say that. Our culture is permeated with Masonic symbolism, take a look at the back of that dollar bill in your pocket for example. However the post that suggests that they are found all over the Conference Centre seems to be a bit of a stretch to me.

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Re: is lds church illuminati free??

Postby Fiannan » Fri May 15, 2015 1:24 am

The goddess Isis, derived from Inanna:

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Re: is lds church illuminati free??

Postby ebenezerarise » Fri May 15, 2015 7:14 am

gkearney wrote:
ebenezerarise wrote:There are NO masonic statues or symbols whatsoever in the Conference Center.


Gee I don't know if I would go as far as to say that. Our culture is permeated with Masonic symbolism, take a look at the back of that dollar bill in your pocket for example. However the post that suggests that they are found all over the Conference Centre seems to be a bit of a stretch to me.


No, I'm pretty certain. A friend of mine is a Grand Master Poobah here in Salt Lake and we recently toured Temple Square....and coincidentally the Conference Center...together.

We talked to this particular topic, especially as it relates to the Temple (he was raised in SLC and many of his family are LDS and he is conversant about the Church but he is not LDS himself) and his observation was that he found it ODD there was no Masonic symbolism in ANY of the newer structures on on Temple Square.

I'm pretty sure that if he had observed things during our tour of the conference center he would have pointed it out to me.

I can't call myself any kind of expert at all but I never saw anything of note in the Conference Center either.

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The Real "Bo Gritz"?
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Postby ilovetherain » Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:52 am

I will probably get booted for this post. AVOW banned me because I frequently addressed secret combinations to include child and sex trafficking, and the fact their owner and Admins are misogynists and abusive to women. My intent here is not to beat up a local leader. After this ordeal two years ago of my ex-husband conspiring with my Stake President and the racket to include Wasatch County Sheriff and Weber County Mental Health, I chose to rise from my homeless, jobless and family less state, and become a Temple Ordinance Worker. I cannot show you proof, but I know many Mormons involved in this crime family to include Hatch, Reid, Swallow, Shurtleff, Governors, Legislators, etc. This is a business enterprise model in every state, some worse than others. I must still feel the need to warn, or I wouldn't be doing this.

As far as choosing this thread - I am supporting the idea that there are mob brothers and illuminati within our Church that hold positions any where from Primary teacher to possibly GAs. I currently know of no one above this Stake President (real estate holdings level, not child trafficking level, at least I don't think so) that are involved, but these Gadiantons are so large in number that it will never, ever shock me if in the future we see that one or more GAs are involved. Have they or will they ever "infiltrate" our Priesthood organization to the top? I don't see that it could be, too many righteous men and women at the top. But could there be GAs that have created wealth from the real estate/land fraud portion of this with full knowledge - I would not doubt it.

I will first give you what I posted in another thread - something about criminal consumers - then I will give you newspaper report of their last attempt to shut me up (murder). I am currently off the grid and living outside of Utah, where Church authorities do not even know where I am. My Facebook account was hacked on September 14th which I reported to FBI and DA. It is mostly my ex-husband, his father and brother that want me literally dead. As far as the high ups of this crime family, I am still alive after 10 years - they should have killed me and Dr. Sheila Mannix in the beginning, they recently did murder Michael Lynch who worked with Sheila in Chicago a few years ago.. There are four of us, to my knowledge, who know who they are and where they live. My oldest brother is one of 7 men that started the child trafficking with Randy Dale Lang, explained below. The reason I am still alive is because the original men and their system have been hijacked by the illuminati/Cartel - and are powerless, actually still puppets for them now. AND because the DOJ protects all of them.

Here we go:

What does the smart criminal justice consumer do?
Postby ilovetherain » Thu Oct 15, 2015 9:43 am

I only read the first post, did not read the entire thread. Because I don't need to. Our judicial system has been my life for the past 10 years. And there is one simple answer - organized crime has infiltrated our judicial system from the bottom to the top. It started with a crime family headquartered in Maricopa County, Arizona, in the late 60s, starting as land fraud in Arizona and Utah. Then moved to mortgage fraud. Much of the land in the south end of Salt Lake County (Draper, Riverton, Bluffdale) was stolen from farmers (why Neiderhauser has pushed to move prison so he can build more homes on his stolen lane). Then in the late 70s a man by the name of Randy Dale Lang, acting as an attorney for the crime family in Phoenix, created a way to access the billions of federal dollars coming into each state. Federal dollars that are funneled into HHS and CPS in each state are moved into judicial bribery accounts and then court agents (judges, attorneys, CPS workers, GALs, court-appointed shrinks/mediators/evaluators) all receive bonuses to include cash from the bribery funds and real estate (they create deeds with fake notaries) by conspiring together to remove children from their protective parents and either put them into foster care or give to the abusive parent. Utah receives $50,000 of federal money for every child that is judicially kidnapped. They hijacked INSLAW software to infiltrate large databases to set up their networking online and a code was created to hide the names of the members. I was trained by an informant on how to find them using their code and system.

It became so large nationwide that the crime family and their system has now been hijacked by the Cartel.

And the reason why it continues to grow rapidly, trafficking more children into the sex trade daily, is because the corrupt politicians (Hatch and his brothers) have been planting corrupt/puppets into Federal Judges seats and US Attorneys in each state for decades now.

PROOF: If any one way Mark Shurtleff on the news passionate about the fact that Utah should ask the Feds to investigate he and Swallow, and they were confident that no charges would be filed -- that is your clue! The DOJ is corrupt and the US Attorneys are NOT allowed to prosecute any one in the mob. Why US Attorney David Barlow first recused himself, and then later resigned. I had taken evidence to him just a few months after Senator Mike Lee was in DC and David was his General Counsel. US Attorneys have been murdered before.

I took evidence to SLC FBI Michelle Pickens (who came to Utah from Phoenix to work on this same crime family) in January 2007. She was already investigating a mother who had two children stolen from her. End of March she called both of us on a Monday and told us that she was taking our evidence to US Attorney Brett Tolman (a Hatch plant) and 2 days later she called us again angry because he would not prosecute. She was quickly demoted to mortgage fraud. Then spring of 2013 she popped up again promoted to public corruption with new woman Special Agent in Charge. Then she went after two Attorney Generals because she had two DAs willing to investigate, prosecute and convict. I had met with both of them giving them Affidavits prior to the Swallow scandal. It gave them the paperwork needed to formally request FBIs assistant to go after these two crooks.

The Lord has taken this assignment from me. I did everything I could for 10 years. My ex-husband, his father, and his Stake President brother are members. My ex-husband used the racket to attempt to kill me two years ago. And I have 3 brothers in it as well - 1 in prison for 8 years now, and 1 who was only in the real estate part of it. There are tens of thousands of crooks in this to include Governors, State Legislators, Attorney Generals, government agencies and employees -- probably over 100,000 crooks, and even more victims. They go after elderly's pensions and bankrupt wealthy as well.

In Utah, the corrupt judges go into all of IHC's psych units and use employees there to conspire together to falsely commit citizens (bad dads putting away their ex-wives) to county mental hospitals - where they all make money for every bed they fill - protected by Mark Shurtleff.

They can incarcerate any one they want at any time! I have lost my entire family a very long time ago. But the pain and suffering has refined and purified me to receive all that God has.

Do not beat me up! Do not persecute and mock me! You will stand before God and account for it and receive justice if you do! If you don't believe me, don't comment. Keep it to yourself and don't throw stones at the messenger. Instruct your children to ever open the door to any one. They have to have a search warrant to come into your home. I have helped over 100 families that have had their children from them. I learned of all this because my brother now in prison contacted my ex-husband at the end of our marriage and told him of the racket and he used it against me, later taking a son who I have not seen for 10 years now - with 3 daughters. He went after my last son who was 12 at the time. I had connected with a woman in Chicago and she helped me, I filed a Motion to recuse all the judges in fourth district (Provo) exposing them of being members of the mob and was able to keep my last son for 6 years. As soon as he turned 18, my ex conspired with others to have me incarcerated at a psych unit attempting to commit me long term, I was held for 18 days, many from outside helped me, and God delivered me!

We have no idea how many citizens are sitting in our prisons and mental institutions who are NOT criminals and are NOT mentally ill.

I write this to WARN.


HERE IS THE NEWS REPORT - Please be kind. I have a letter from a PHD (Veil Temple Worker) who has helped me since 2000 with PTSD from abusive marriage stating I have no mental illness. Same as determined at commitment hearing. I had full knowledge of Stipulation between Mark Shurtleff and IHC and DOPL to keep the jobs of 8 shrinks sleeping with patients and writing drugs for each other that was investigated at McKay Dee prior to me going there. This was my last assignment to go into this psych unit to see the same judicial corruption exists and they are profitting from beds. FBI has been investigating since the arrests of Swallow and Shurtleff. LDS CHURCH MEMBERS HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY MEMBERS ARE IN THIS CRIME FAMILY and many will lose their faith as more will be revealed. I know this to be true!! Don't beat me up - I am only the messenger.

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Some background info:

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Postby harakim » Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:35 am

I don't know of any illuminati but I was extremely surprised when I heard the guy who talked about ponderizing was also monetizing. I would not have expected that in the LDS church even though I have been very suspicious of the leadership at points in the past.

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harakim wrote:I don't know of any illuminati but I was extremely surprised when I heard the guy who talked about ponderizing was also monetizing. I would not have expected that in the LDS church even though I have been very suspicious of the leadership at points in the past.
He contacted a relative about a real estate deal that would have made him a lot of money and little for them. When they didn't agree to go along, Durrant flew off the handle and started saying unkind things. I was hoping for the better, but... looks like not much has changed. I refuse to ponderize.

I hope he gets some discipline because of that talk and situation.

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ilovetherain wrote:I will probably get booted for this post. AVOW banned me because I frequently addressed secret combinations to include child and sex trafficking, and the fact their owner and Admins are misogynists and abusive to women. My intent here is not to beat up a local leader. After this ordeal two years ago of my ex-husband conspiring with my Stake President and the racket to include Wasatch County Sheriff and Weber County Mental Health, I chose to rise from my homeless, jobless and family less state, and become a Temple Ordinance Worker. I cannot show you proof, but I know many Mormons involved in this crime family to include Hatch, Reid, Swallow, Shurtleff, Governors, Legislators, etc. This is a business enterprise model in every state, some worse than others. I must still feel the need to warn, or I wouldn't be doing this.
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I would love to hear more details about all of this! I wish this discussion board were full of this kind of extremely valuable information.

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Postby harakim » Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:56 pm

A lady in relief society got up and marketed the ponderize app for a few minutes at church.

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ebenezerarise wrote:Well, since you're only speculating let's hear your theories. I don't believe "infiltration" of the Lord's church is possible.
This is a question I put to the Lord and this is the answer:

It has happened. though they are not among the Apostles nor 70, the church can still function. However they are here and there at stake and ward levels. I once attended a small branch in Missouri what was closed because satanists had infiltrated and were causing such contention among good members that the regional rep closed it.

The church is not perfect nor complete, but it continues to grow from grace to grace.
The church does not have the full truth, otherwise why are we encouraged to find greater light and knowledge and seek divine guidance? :ymhug:

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ilovetherain wrote:I will probably get booted for this post. AVOW banned me because I frequently addressed secret combinations to include child and sex trafficking, and the fact their owner and Admins are misogynists and abusive to women. -l
I hope you never get booted off. All is not well in Zion and the continual silence from "above" doesn't help the clean up effort.
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Postby jollyjaws » Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:33 pm

Im kind of shocked to see some of the naive responses here. Spraking of pride!! When you can live in the protective bubble of the Zion curtain you really do forget the churches questionable past.
Over and over again the church has shown to be lacking in direction by deity save for in the beginnings of the church and even then?
Josephs and Brighams many wives, the question of polygamy in general, the Kinderhook plate hoodwink, the Mormon Meadows massacre, the hieroglyphics experts saying the Pearl of Great Price was a funeral scroll, blood atonement fiasco, peep stones, no revelations for the black priesthood issue or the polygamy issue (those are not revelations they are statements by the brethren), no Book of Mormon DNA in the American Indians by experts, the hood winking by the church in the Hoffman murders (Church buying up documents to protect itself being found out and making up reasons for the salamander story in the Ensign), Joseph Smith becoming a 33rd degree Mason and their secret society symbols all over the Nauvoo temple and the Salt Lake Temple and ultimately being killed by the Masons because he revealed their secrets, using the Masonic ritual in the temple and then changing a supposedly sacred ritual because people were uncomfortable with it, lastly when was the last revelation by God instead of the brethren. All Josephs dealings said I the lord. All things to ask oneself about being Gods church.
Does the hierarchy in conference discuss the Illuminati? Has the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon come forth?
Do they tell the church members about reptilians, the book of Enoch and the nephilim? The Luciferian entertainment industry? The possessions of celebrities like Beyonce and navy others? The ritual murders of celebrities like Robin Williams and Whitney Houston? Do they tell you these things or do you look at documentaries on YouTube to find out people that know these things and the Mormons don't and arent told?
How bout recent pizzagate, child satanic pedophilia?
The CFR, the Bilderbergs, the Bohemian Grove in California, the secret mysteries that the elite know and that the Masons know, what our government was doing at area 51? The origins of giants and pyramids and Stonehenge that the world is findings out about? That the Nazis invented UFO's and were working down in Antarctica with extraterrestrials, that our government brought the Nazis over after World War 2 and started doing the same thing with operation paperclip, that our government sent Admiral Byrd down to investigate, that our government is now down in Antarctica cause they again are hiding something like the nephilim and more pyramids and flat earth. How about that the scriptures suggest that we live under a dome and there's water above it? How about the fact that the Jews are at the top of the Illuminati and are at the heads of most major things in our country. They infilltrated the Catholic Church with the Jesuits. They have corrupted America and yet part of them are the chosen people that Jesus came from. The Talmud Kabala are satanic. Perhaps these are the Ashkenazi jews. What is truth? Mormons should know.
It does make one wonder where God is and who he might telling this to and warning. It doesn't look liked it's the mormons.
PS.. there is a gentleman recently that said he was given the seaedl portion of the Book of Mormon? God certainly does work in mysterious way wherever he is.
Now is the leadership of the Mormons telling anybody any of this? If they aren't you can know of a surety that they are illuminists or out of the loop.

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Postby gruden2.0 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:14 pm

Several years back Brian posted some audio of a fireside given by Cleon Skousen (might still be in the downloads section), and he made a comment that there were secret combinations in the Church. He stated he wouldn't go into further detail, but he was certain this is the case.
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Postby gruden2.0 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:21 pm

davedan wrote:
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John Todd is illuminati. You don't switch sides like he did and live to tell about it. When you are an insider like he claimed to be, you make oaths that require your life if broken.
John Todd is dead, but death isn't the only thing they do to people who turn. The other is discredit, and they effectively did so with the rape charge. It certainly seems as though someone punished him.
davedan wrote: A better question to ask is if this forum is illuminati free.
I don't think sites like this get too much attention by Illuminati members, but they employ a lot of useful idiots to sway opinion on message boards such as this and there have been posts and posters occasionally appear that I've been certain had ulterior motives.
The time will come when this people will be led onto the very brink of hell by their leaders, then the one mighty and strong will come to set the house of God in order. Brigham Young, Mosiah Hancock journal, pg. 19


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