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Re: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints report on Satanic Ritual Abuse

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:53 am

HeberC wrote:Sal Dino was a private investigator who specialized in rescuing young people from satanic cults. He said the cult is highly organized with police chiefs and powerful people as members. They cover themselves well.

My mother's second husband was a POW of the Japanese. He was captured on Dec. 8, 1941 on Guam. The POW camp he went to was in Japan. The camp guards never fed the prisoners. He learned to speak Japanese through torture. A Jesuit priest collected seaweed everyday to feed the prisoners.

He became a police detective and FBI consultant. The FBI flew him around the country to extract confessions from suspects. I found a shoebox of evidence that he brought home, for some reason. The shoebox was filled to the top with photos of murdered babies. They had been starved and beaten to death. They hadn't been ritually abused, though. The Satanists cover their tracks too well, apparently, to be caught like the "unorganized abusers".

Sal Dino's point is that they are everywhere. They are slicker than salesmen and take advantage of those who are naive and innocent. Our former bishop got caught abusing his adopted daughter and some other family members. He will spend the rest of his life in prison. We had no clue that there was something wrong with him.
I think most of us would be gobsmacked at how deep the rabbit hole goes.

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Postby Mark » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:17 am

HeberC wrote:Sal Dino was a private investigator who specialized in rescuing young people from satanic cults. He said the cult is highly organized with police chiefs and powerful people as members. They cover themselves well.

My mother's second husband was a POW of the Japanese. He was captured on Dec. 8, 1941 on Guam. The POW camp he went to was in Japan. The camp guards never fed the prisoners. He learned to speak Japanese through torture. A Jesuit priest collected seaweed everyday to feed the prisoners.

He became a police detective and FBI consultant. The FBI flew him around the country to extract confessions from suspects. I found a shoebox of evidence that he brought home, for some reason. The shoebox was filled to the top with photos of murdered babies. They had been starved and beaten to death. They hadn't been ritually abused, though. The Satanists cover their tracks too well, apparently, to be caught like the "unorganized abusers".

Sal Dino's point is that they are everywhere. They are slicker than salesmen and take advantage of those who are naive and innocent. Our former bishop got caught abusing his adopted daughter and some other family members. He will spend the rest of his life in prison. We had no clue that there was something wrong with him.
If you live actually in Heber I know exactly who you are referencing here. That one was a shocker. It just shows that appearances can be deceiving. It was akin to the George P Lee episode. No man is safe from the adversaries traps if they listen to the natural man.
You are a true nothing Mark.

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Re: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints report on Satanic Ritual Abuse

Postby underdog » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:44 am

Juliet wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:Juliet,
Have you written the letters yet?
RH
I have a draft but I want to re write it and so I need to buy some envelopes because I am out. I am just concerned it won't get opened because they are so adamant that you go through your church bishop and stake president. I have told my bishop and he wasn't supportive and so maybe I should re visit my stake president. I will at least send the letter to start off I guess. Thanks for checking up on me. The address isn't public either so I am guessing on the correct address to send it to.
Juliet,

I am not an expert in SRA, but have read more than the average bear on the subject. I'd consider myself informed somewhat, but just as a LDS who seeks to know the truth and has swallowed the red pill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE7PKRjrid4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I do applaud you in trying to bring "to light all the hidden things of darkness" (DC 123:13).

I don't know if you wrote the letter (did you yet, any response?), but my educated guess would be that no matter what you write to the FP, the results will be the same as you had going to the police. No response. And your efforts would be redundant anyway. They HAVE ALREADY been informed by the Glenn Pace memo from 1990 and no doubt countless other times. What resulted? Nothing. The Illumati have invested hundreds of years in their long-term quest to gain leadership roles in all major organizations. As Gary Allen wrote back in 1970-ish, and I more or less quote...EVERY major institution, corporation and organization has been compromised from within, from the Boy Scouts to the Vatican.

The Pace memo only confirmed that all is not well in "Zion". Now that I think about it, it's very interesting timing that Pres Benson (whom I believe WOULD have done something about it had he had his wits about him), had an accidental fall where he tumbled down some stairs, got his head banged up and had emergency brain surgery precisely at the time of the Pace investigation. He had just given his famous, shock-wave-sending talk quoting Ether 8 and warning of a conspiratorial power gaining in strength worldwide and that we must act to thwart it. Afterward his fall, he was never able to talk again, if memory serves me correctly. Is anybody able to confirm the timing and accuracy of my memory (I could be totally remembering wrong -- it's been a while)? Perhaps I'm just channeling the inner conspiracy theorist in me. Some would say, even in this thread, "nothing to see here...move along....move along." They're probably right.

But Christ called "a devil" into His inner circle of the 12, did He not? Hmmmm. We must ask, WHY? Why would Christ INTENTIONALLY plant a servant of Satan in a position of leadership, or best case, one who would become a servant of Satan? Could there really be opposition in all things? Could our discernment really be on trial in an ongoing test? Did Jesus, quoted in Abr 3, mean what he said when he said "we will prove them herewith..."?

From the well-known parable, are "tares" just people who think that socialism is good, or communism is trendy, or that Obama was our savior, or that women have a right to kill their babies? Or might tares refer to something more sinister and organized and wicked and truly of Satan, our enemy (as in "an enemy hath done this!"? Could Moroni be speaking as a true prophet with his clear warning to us in Ether 8? Could the Lord's warning be true that there are men "on the earth among all sects, parties, and denominations" who "lie in wait to deceive" (DC 123:12)? Maybe things are quite rosy and we should optimistically hope all is well. Wasn't that Hinckley's oft refrain?

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Postby Juliet » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:21 pm

underdog wrote:
Juliet wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:Juliet,
Have you written the letters yet?
RH
I have a draft but I want to re write it and so I need to buy some envelopes because I am out. I am just concerned it won't get opened because they are so adamant that you go through your church bishop and stake president. I have told my bishop and he wasn't supportive and so maybe I should re visit my stake president. I will at least send the letter to start off I guess. Thanks for checking up on me. The address isn't public either so I am guessing on the correct address to send it to.
Juliet,

I am not an expert in SRA, but have read more than the average bear on the subject. I'd consider myself informed somewhat, but just as a LDS who seeks to know the truth and has swallowed the red pill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE7PKRjrid4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I do applaud you in trying to bring "to light all the hidden things of darkness" (DC 123:13).

I don't know if you wrote the letter (did you yet, any response?), but my educated guess would be that no matter what you write to the FP, the results will be the same as you had going to the police. No response. And your efforts would be redundant anyway. They HAVE ALREADY been informed by the Glenn Pace memo from 1990 and no doubt countless other times. What resulted? Nothing. The Illumati have invested hundreds of years in their long-term quest to gain leadership roles in all major organizations. As Gary Allen wrote back in 1970-ish, and I more or less quote...EVERY major institution, corporation and organization has been compromised from within, from the Boy Scouts to the Vatican.

The Pace memo only confirmed that all is not well in "Zion". Now that I think about it, it's very interesting timing that Pres Benson (whom I believe WOULD have done something about it had he had his wits about him), had an accidental fall where he tumbled down some stairs, got his head banged up and had emergency brain surgery precisely at the time of the Pace investigation. He had just given his famous, shock-wave-sending talk quoting Ether 8 and warning of a conspiratorial power gaining in strength worldwide and that we must act to thwart it. Afterward his fall, he was never able to talk again, if memory serves me correctly. Is anybody able to confirm the timing and accuracy of my memory (I could be totally remembering wrong -- it's been a while)? Perhaps I'm just channeling the inner conspiracy theorist in me. Some would say, even in this thread, "nothing to see here...move along....move along." They're probably right.

But Christ called "a devil" into His inner circle of the 12, did He not? Hmmmm. We must ask, WHY? Why would Christ INTENTIONALLY plant a servant of Satan in a position of leadership, or best case, one who would become a servant of Satan? Could there really be opposition in all things? Could our discernment really be on trial in an ongoing test? Did Jesus, quoted in Abr 3, mean what he said when he said "we will prove them herewith..."?

From the well-known parable, are "tares" just people who think that socialism is good, or communism is trendy, or that Obama was our savior, or that women have a right to kill their babies? Or might tares refer to something more sinister and organized and wicked and truly of Satan, our enemy (as in "an enemy hath done this!"? Could Moroni be speaking as a true prophet with his clear warning to us in Ether 8? Could the Lord's warning be true that there are men "on the earth among all sects, parties, and denominations" who "lie in wait to deceive" (DC 123:12)? Maybe things are quite rosy and we should optimistically hope all is well. Wasn't that Hinckley's oft refrain?
Thank you. I will send it today. I keep getting distracted. But I believe Ezra T Bensen was actually beat up by the illuminati, that was the true cause of the head injury. It just stands that anyone who talks about this gets killed. I did not get killed because I told like 100 people the minute my memories came up, that way if I disappear people will know why.

I agree with everything you say. I think we have to have discernment because people need to know if they leave the illuminati, the public will allow them. Most of these pedos are just so lost and wish there was a way out but are trapped in all of the threats. Honestly, the temple endowment gave me the courage to be willing to die for what is right. It is the only way to leave these cults. Only Jesus knows people's hearts.

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Re: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints report on Satanic Ritual Abuse

Postby kittycat51 » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:10 pm

underdog wrote:
Juliet wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:Juliet,
Have you written the letters yet?
RH
I have a draft but I want to re write it and so I need to buy some envelopes because I am out. I am just concerned it won't get opened because they are so adamant that you go through your church bishop and stake president. I have told my bishop and he wasn't supportive and so maybe I should re visit my stake president. I will at least send the letter to start off I guess. Thanks for checking up on me. The address isn't public either so I am guessing on the correct address to send it to.
Juliet,

I am not an expert in SRA, but have read more than the average bear on the subject. I'd consider myself informed somewhat, but just as a LDS who seeks to know the truth and has swallowed the red pill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE7PKRjrid4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I do applaud you in trying to bring "to light all the hidden things of darkness" (DC 123:13).

I don't know if you wrote the letter (did you yet, any response?), but my educated guess would be that no matter what you write to the FP, the results will be the same as you had going to the police. No response. And your efforts would be redundant anyway. They HAVE ALREADY been informed by the Glenn Pace memo from 1990 and no doubt countless other times. What resulted? Nothing. The Illumati have invested hundreds of years in their long-term quest to gain leadership roles in all major organizations. As Gary Allen wrote back in 1970-ish, and I more or less quote...EVERY major institution, corporation and organization has been compromised from within, from the Boy Scouts to the Vatican.

The Pace memo only confirmed that all is not well in "Zion". Now that I think about it, it's very interesting timing that Pres Benson (whom I believe WOULD have done something about it had he had his wits about him), had an accidental fall where he tumbled down some stairs, got his head banged up and had emergency brain surgery precisely at the time of the Pace investigation. He had just given his famous, shock-wave-sending talk quoting Ether 8 and warning of a conspiratorial power gaining in strength worldwide and that we must act to thwart it. Afterward his fall, he was never able to talk again, if memory serves me correctly. Is anybody able to confirm the timing and accuracy of my memory (I could be totally remembering wrong -- it's been a while)? Perhaps I'm just channeling the inner conspiracy theorist in me. Some would say, even in this thread, "nothing to see here...move along....move along." They're probably right.

But Christ called "a devil" into His inner circle of the 12, did He not? Hmmmm. We must ask, WHY? Why would Christ INTENTIONALLY plant a servant of Satan in a position of leadership, or best case, one who would become a servant of Satan? Could there really be opposition in all things? Could our discernment really be on trial in an ongoing test? Did Jesus, quoted in Abr 3, mean what he said when he said "we will prove them herewith..."?

From the well-known parable, are "tares" just people who think that socialism is good, or communism is trendy, or that Obama was our savior, or that women have a right to kill their babies? Or might tares refer to something more sinister and organized and wicked and truly of Satan, our enemy (as in "an enemy hath done this!"? Could Moroni be speaking as a true prophet with his clear warning to us in Ether 8? Could the Lord's warning be true that there are men "on the earth among all sects, parties, and denominations" who "lie in wait to deceive" (DC 123:12)? Maybe things are quite rosy and we should optimistically hope all is well. Wasn't that Hinckley's oft refrain?
Whoa correct me if I'm wrong but I get the impression you are saying that the Illuminati has infiltrated the Higher up leaders of the Church? That is just plain blasphemy to me. That which is light emits light and by their works ye shall know them. The apostles could NOT have the spirit with them if they were Illuminati, nor any of the other GA's for that matter. When they speak, I feel the spirit; have never felt otherwise. Yes I believe that Jesus knew from the start that one of his anointed was going to be a traitor. I believe that was a different story back then though and it served its purpose. God would not allow that today.

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Postby underdog » Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:47 pm

kittycat51 wrote: Whoa correct me if I'm wrong but I get the impression you are saying that the Illuminati has infiltrated the Higher up leaders of the Church? That is just plain blasphemy to me. That which is light emits light and by their works ye shall know them. The apostles could NOT have the spirit with them if they were Illuminati, nor any of the other GA's for that matter. When they speak, I feel the spirit; have never felt otherwise. Yes I believe that Jesus knew from the start that one of his anointed was going to be a traitor. I believe that was a different story back then though and it served its purpose. God would not allow that today.
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I'm not saying anything. Just asking questions is all. But you gave good insight into how your mind is wired up. If you equate the higher ups with God, even asking such a question would indicate blasphemy, wouldn't it? But are any of the GA's one and the same with God? Or might you grant that only God is perfect and infallible and we mortals (all of us) are unworthy creatures compared to Him (Ether 3:2 or Helaman 12:4-7)?

I quoted several scriptures above and there are many more that should urge us to be dependent on no man, to even trust no man. Let's put our trust in our Lord, Whom we know will never lead us astray. Agreed?

Oh, and you wonder if me saying we should avoid putting our trust in man is a cynical opinion? Let me quote a little-known one and well-known scripture):

(a non-famous, never-quoted scripture) JST Mark 9:
44 Therefore, let every man stand or fall, by himself, and not for another; or not trusting another.
45 Seek unto my Father, and it shall be done in that very moment what ye shall ask, if ye ask in faith, believing that ye shall receive.
46 And if thine eye which seeth for thee, him that is appointed to watch over thee to show thee light, become a transgressor and offend thee, pluck him out.
47 It is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God, with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
48 For it is better that thyself should be saved, than to be cast into hell with thy brother, where their worm dieth not, and where the fire is not quenched.

Or a famous one:
2 Nephi 4:34 O Lord, I have trusted in thee, and I will trust in thee forever. I will not put my trust in the arm of flesh; for I know that cursed is he that putteth his trust in the arm of flesh. Yea, cursed is he that putteth his trust in man or maketh flesh his arm.

"God would not allow that today," you say. Hope you're right. But what does history say?

That's the great test isn't it? To discern truth from error.

But maybe you're right. There's no opposition INSIDE the Church. Outside yes, but inside? Never! There's a spiritual bubble protecting the leaders making them impervious to Satan. They could never fall (Mosiah 15:13). That would be nice. That would make it easy, wouldn't it? We wouldn't need to fear or tremble about salvation and we could lift up our heads and rejoice (Alma 1:4), and thank God that He had elected us to be saved (Alma 31:17).

I hope you're right about whom we can put our trust in.

Move along, move along...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=532j-186xEQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints report on Satanic Ritual Abuse

Postby kittycat51 » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:01 pm

underdog wrote:
kittycat51 wrote: Whoa correct me if I'm wrong but I get the impression you are saying that the Illuminati has infiltrated the Higher up leaders of the Church? That is just plain blasphemy to me. That which is light emits light and by their works ye shall know them. The apostles could NOT have the spirit with them if they were Illuminati, nor any of the other GA's for that matter. When they speak, I feel the spirit; have never felt otherwise. Yes I believe that Jesus knew from the start that one of his anointed was going to be a traitor. I believe that was a different story back then though and it served its purpose. God would not allow that today.
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I'm not saying anything. Just asking questions is all. But you gave good insight into how your mind is wired up. If you equate the higher ups with God, even asking such a question would indicate blasphemy, wouldn't it? But are any of the GA's one and the same with God? Or might you grant that only God is perfect and infallible and we mortals (all of us) are unworthy creatures compared to Him (Ether 3:2 or Helaman 12:4-7)?

I quoted several scriptures above and there are many more that should urge us to be dependent on no man, to even trust no man. Let's put our trust in our Lord, Whom we know will never lead us astray. Agreed?

Oh, and you wonder if me saying we should avoid putting our trust in man is a cynical opinion? Let me quote a little-known one and well-known scripture):

(a non-famous, never-quoted scripture) JST Mark 9:
44 Therefore, let every man stand or fall, by himself, and not for another; or not trusting another.
45 Seek unto my Father, and it shall be done in that very moment what ye shall ask, if ye ask in faith, believing that ye shall receive.
46 And if thine eye which seeth for thee, him that is appointed to watch over thee to show thee light, become a transgressor and offend thee, pluck him out.
47 It is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God, with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
48 For it is better that thyself should be saved, than to be cast into hell with thy brother, where their worm dieth not, and where the fire is not quenched.

Or a famous one:
2 Nephi 4:34 O Lord, I have trusted in thee, and I will trust in thee forever. I will not put my trust in the arm of flesh; for I know that cursed is he that putteth his trust in the arm of flesh. Yea, cursed is he that putteth his trust in man or maketh flesh his arm.

"God would not allow that today," you say. Hope you're right. But what does history say?

That's the great test isn't it? To discern truth from error.

But maybe you're right. There's no opposition INSIDE the Church. Outside yes, but inside? Never! There's a spiritual bubble protecting the leaders making them impervious to Satan. They could never fall (Mosiah 15:13). That would be nice. That would make it easy, wouldn't it? We wouldn't need to fear or tremble about salvation and we could lift up our heads and rejoice (Alma 1:4), and thank God that He had elected us to be saved (Alma 31:17).

I hope you're right about whom we can put our trust in.

Move along, move along...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=532j-186xEQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;[/quote]


(Please use your quotes from previous posts right when you respond, it's confusing.)

You just answered my question. "By their fruits ye shall know them"

Don't put words into my mouth and tell me how I think. Do I believe the brethren are perfect? Absolutely not; they will be the first to tell you that. Do I put my trust in them? Absolutely...as the spirit dictates. "Whether by mine own voice or the voice of my servants it is the same." God WILL NOT ALLOW his church to go astray; if there are problems within, they will be taken care of. (Are you old enough to remember who George P Lee was?)

My guess is that you never listen to General Conference. Why would you? That is listening to the 'arm of flesh'. The prophet must not mean anything to you either, because that is certainly following the 'arm of flesh'.

Sorry for being so snarky. After seeing this type of disagreements on this forum many times I vowed to not ever get involved. Your original comment just soured my stomach. I now know which column you fall in.

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Re: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints report on Satanic Ritual Abuse

Postby underdog » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:58 am

kittycat51 wrote:
underdog wrote:
kittycat51 wrote: Whoa correct me if I'm wrong but I get the impression you are saying that the Illuminati has infiltrated the Higher up leaders of the Church? That is just plain blasphemy to me. That which is light emits light and by their works ye shall know them. The apostles could NOT have the spirit with them if they were Illuminati, nor any of the other GA's for that matter. When they speak, I feel the spirit; have never felt otherwise. Yes I believe that Jesus knew from the start that one of his anointed was going to be a traitor. I believe that was a different story back then though and it served its purpose. God would not allow that today.
I'm not saying anything. Just asking questions is all. But you gave good insight into how your mind is wired up. If you equate the higher ups with God, even asking such a question would indicate blasphemy, wouldn't it? But are any of the GA's one and the same with God? Or might you grant that only God is perfect and infallible and we mortals (all of us) are unworthy creatures compared to Him (Ether 3:2 or Helaman 12:4-7)?

I quoted several scriptures above and there are many more that should urge us to be dependent on no man, to even trust no man. Let's put our trust in our Lord, Whom we know will never lead us astray. Agreed?

Oh, and you wonder if me saying we should avoid putting our trust in man is a cynical opinion? Let me quote a little-known one and well-known scripture):

(a non-famous, never-quoted scripture) JST Mark 9:
44 Therefore, let every man stand or fall, by himself, and not for another; or not trusting another.
45 Seek unto my Father, and it shall be done in that very moment what ye shall ask, if ye ask in faith, believing that ye shall receive.
46 And if thine eye which seeth for thee, him that is appointed to watch over thee to show thee light, become a transgressor and offend thee, pluck him out.
47 It is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God, with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
48 For it is better that thyself should be saved, than to be cast into hell with thy brother, where their worm dieth not, and where the fire is not quenched.

Or a famous one:
2 Nephi 4:34 O Lord, I have trusted in thee, and I will trust in thee forever. I will not put my trust in the arm of flesh; for I know that cursed is he that putteth his trust in the arm of flesh. Yea, cursed is he that putteth his trust in man or maketh flesh his arm.

"God would not allow that today," you say. Hope you're right. But what does history say?

That's the great test isn't it? To discern truth from error.

But maybe you're right. There's no opposition INSIDE the Church. Outside yes, but inside? Never! There's a spiritual bubble protecting the leaders making them impervious to Satan. They could never fall (Mosiah 15:13). That would be nice. That would make it easy, wouldn't it? We wouldn't need to fear or tremble about salvation and we could lift up our heads and rejoice (Alma 1:4), and thank God that He had elected us to be saved (Alma 31:17).

I hope you're right about whom we can put our trust in.

Move along, move along...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=532j-186xEQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


(Please use your quotes from previous posts right when you respond, it's confusing.)

You just answered my question. "By their fruits ye shall know them"

Don't put words into my mouth and tell me how I think. Do I believe the brethren are perfect? Absolutely not; they will be the first to tell you that. Do I put my trust in them? Absolutely...as the spirit dictates. "Whether by mine own voice or the voice of my servants it is the same." God WILL NOT ALLOW his church to go astray; if there are problems within, they will be taken care of. (Are you old enough to remember who George P Lee was?)

My guess is that you never listen to General Conference. Why would you? That is listening to the 'arm of flesh'. The prophet must not mean anything to you either, because that is certainly following the 'arm of flesh'.

Sorry for being so snarky. After seeing this type of disagreements on this forum many times I vowed to not ever get involved. Your original comment just soured my stomach. I now know which column you fall in.

Underdog's Reply to Kitty:

It's okay about being snarky. Actually, I disagree with you, I think you've been very nice. Thank you. I remember Br. Lee's story from 1989. I'm a long-time member, and tune in to GC every 6 months. I can quote like the best of us, but I'm repenting of what I call idolatry. I realized over a year ago that I had elevated men to the level of God and that I really believed they couldn't lead me astray.

For several hours over the course of a month or two I researched the famous OD1 where WW declares in his own words that the Lord will not lead the church (meaning, the members) astray. I learned the following:
  • 1) When that OD was added in 1908 and republished in 1921, those excerpts ("Excerpts from Three Addresses by President Wilford Woodruff") were not included. Incidentally, the LonF were removed in 1921 w/o a vote! Interesting, huh?
    2) When were the excerpts added, you ask? In 1981. Was there a church-wide vote to add them? No. Was there an explicit announcement in GC? No. Was there in effect a complete cover-up of these additions by failing to make even a reference to them? Yes! Was that omission intentional? You decide.
    3) I painstakingly read through the General Conference addresses in April and Oct of that year and found these additions (the WW's excerpts) were not mentioned at all.
    4) Meaning, there was NO VOTE to accept that anti-Christ idea (the Lord will not permit men to lead members astray) into the body of our canon of scripture. Yes, I believe it's anti Christ 100%, and without any scriptural support whatsoever, and that there is abundant scriptures AGAINST the idea they can't lead us astray. A core tenet of Mormonism is that apostasy ALWAYS follows RESTORATION. There have been zero exceptions in history, excepting the translated people of Enoch and Melchizedek who achieved Zion. And last I checked, no modern society has been translated, not even Joseph Smith's era achieved that.
    5) I read through all the magazines at lds.org for that year and finally found in the Oct 1981 Ensign (the issue before the GC issue) at least a mention of the dangerous addition. Read it for yourself here: https://www.lds.org/ensign/1981/10/the- ... n?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. The actual text is not mentioned, but it just says "the new additions to the text are...excerpts from three addresses by President Wilford Woodruff regarding the Manifesto," But this significant and unholy addition which has caused so much blindness in members like myself and you was completely omitted from the very next month's General Conference! Why? Just an oversight in the magazine, and oversight in General Conference? Or was it snuck in? How do YOU explain the Church not voting on adding "Scripture" to our Standard Works? Well, how do you?
You said: "I put my trust in them? Absolutely...as the spirit dictates. "Whether by mine own voice or the voice of my servants it is the same." God WILL NOT ALLOW his church to go astray; if there are problems within, they will be taken care of."

How will we know any problems will be "taken care of"? THEY will tell us? But what if THEY get called out by a regular member? You quote Elder Lee's case to substantiate your claim that problems "will be taken care of". His excommunication may have been legitimate. I understand he confessed years later to vindicate the church's decision to ex him. But you do know the church is utterly non transparent on issues of discipline, EVEN when the member being disciplined asks for it to be open to the public, and even when the Lord COMMANDS it to be public (DC 42:81, 90-91). Are you okay with the policy of non transparency? And truly okay with blind obedience to what "they" say is "of God"? What does your spiritual discernment say on the matter of non transparency (keeping things hidden in the dark)? Is it good or evil, generally speaking?

That verse you quote in DC 1, the first part of verse 38 says, "What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken..." He's speaking in the past tense, right? He's referring to what he has just said, and with specific reference to the commandments and prophecies in the D&C, for which Section 1 became the introduction. He's not speaking of the future, but the recent PAST. To further prove the accuracy of this, he says it very clearly by using the word "it" in the part you quoted, "whether by my own voice or by the voice of my servants, IT is the same." What is "it"? He's still referring to "these commandments" and "the prophecies and promises" (verse 37). You, however, are creating a blanket statement, covering all FUTURE pronouncements. Do you stand by that interpretation? Or maybe you might want to reconsider your interpretation. I too, like you, accepted blindly that false interpretation you still hold to be "gospel". Once you stop and think about that verse, your interpretation doesn't make sense. Rather, one thing you said that DOES make sense, is when you said, "as the Spirit dictates." And since the Spirit is not easy to understand all the time, we must reconcile with Scripture and reason. I have been sharing abundant scripture with you, please notice. And what I believe is reason, and what I believe the Spirit has dictated (to the best of my understanding). I'm open to correction if you can persuade me otherwise. I'm open to truth.

You said to me, "I now know which column you fall in."

Could you define the columns? Let me try:

Column 1: Those who believe that only Christ saves, there is nobody at the gate, just Jesus (2 Nephi 9:41). Christ is separate from the institution (the top 15 leaders and the other GA's). Yes, I'm in this column.
Column 2: Those who tend to equate Christ with the institution, or "the Church", meaning specifically the top leaders of the LDS Church.

Am I right? And you being in Column 2, you would probably hasten to qualify the meaning of Column 2 as the top leaders are equivalent to Christ when they speak "by the Spirit". Is that correct? I don't want to put words in your mouth, so please explain what column 2 looks like. Or would you define Column 1 differently?

If I'm more or less on the same page with you, then I would ask you one question (which I've touched upon here already); how did the anti Christ precept of man get added to our canon in 1981 in the form of a secretly-inserted excerpt from a WW address? Or in other words, do you believe the idea that the Lord would never permit MAN to lead people astray (i.e., teach false ideas/ traditions) is of God?

After all I've said in proper context above, if you believe that precept is of Christ, and not unequivocally anti Christ, then I'll certainly respect you and allow you to worship your God according to the dictates of your conscience.

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Postby buffalo_girl » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:00 pm

Thank you, underdog, for bringing the Mark 9 footnote reference to my attention! Of those I've taken the time to 'incorporate', I do trust in Joseph's translations.. I differ somewhat over Hebrews 11:40 JST, but that's a small difference.

If we are mandated to follow 'our leaders' blindly, WHY are we being encouraged in every aspect of our lives to be worthy of Personal Revelation? I am certainly more comfortable with the admonition to be worthy of Personal Revelation than to accept someone's word that 'leaders of the church will never lead us astray'. By the promptings of The Spirit combined with serious study of Christ's Word, we can know 'right from wrong - truth from error'.

As a young adult, I 'left the Church' and wasted valuable time because I 'hearkened unto certain precepts of men', believing those men had the 'authority & power' to speak for The LORD on my behalf - despite misgivings I had at the time. Had I prayed, read the following scripture and my Patriarchal Blessing in the Light of the Holy Ghost, I would have committed fully to The Gospel of Jesus Christ in contrast to the institution of The Church. I might still have been misunderstood by members in and leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ, but I would have been on spiritually solid ground regardless.

2Nephi 28
31 Cursed is he that putteth his trust in man, or maketh flesh his arm, or shall hearken unto the precepts of men, save their precepts shall be given by the power of the Holy Ghost.
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Doesn't hurt to remind ourselves of the entire chapter 28 of 2Nephi with particular attention to verse 14:

...they have all gone astray save it be a few, who are the humble followers of Christ; nevertheless, they are led, that in many instances they do err because they are taught by the precepts of men.

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Postby underdog » Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:53 pm

Buffalo Girl,

Love your point here:
If we are mandated to follow 'our leaders' blindly, WHY are we being encouraged in every aspect of our lives to be worthy of Personal Revelation? I am certainly more comfortable with the admonition to be worthy of Personal Revelation than to accept someone's word that 'leaders of the church will never lead us astray'.
That's so logical. Mormons are definitely encouraged to live worthy of the Spirit, but then asked to trust absolutely their leaders. That in and of itself is a very astute contradiction you point out.

But good, faithful members will argue till they get mad and persecute you that our leaders will never lead us astray. They say God will remove the leader if that happens, or begins to happen. But they reject all the warnings of the scriptures to the contrary, and inevitably go silent or get mad.

I've experienced this on several occasions. For many, giving up that "security" is too great of a sacrifice and indeed is blasphemy to them, like Kitty indicated above. So maybe it's wiser to see if they will agree that they are more comfortable with "the admonition to be worthy of Personal Revelation than to accept someone's word that 'leaders of the church will never lead us astray'. It's a less-threatening question: are you more comfortable with the encouragement to strive to get direction directly from the Lord, or would you rather outsource the getting of that direction to your church leaders? I wonder if Kitty above would answer this question sincerely.

This discussion really cuts to the chase and actually demonstrates what history has shown us time and time again, that people often want to have a king, or a ruler or leader (a "strongman"), so they don't have to be responsible for themselves. Think of the Jaredites. Both the Br. of Jared and Jared warned that having a king would lead to captivity. In the great war in heaven, this was Satan's offering. He said essentially, "outsource your responsibility to me, trust me!, and I will be your savior." That was a very appealing proposition and won over many people, right there in the presence of God.

This is an inconvenient truth that many/most in the Church don't want to square with. They would rather outsource their salvation to their leaders, then take responsibility for themselves. We've become lazy. We've become a spiritual welfare church, where we've reached a point in time where the spiritual welfare is multi generational and it's very hard for most to break free of.

That's why I love the courage of the people in Mosiah 29, when they broke free of centuries of such outsourcing and laziness, as recorded in verse 38,
"Therefore they relinquished their desires for a king, and became exceedingly anxious that every man should have an equal chance throughout all the land; yea, and every man expressed a willingness to answer for his own sins...and they were exceedingly rejoiced because of the liberty which had been granted unto them."
This is a great parallel to our time. The same choice is now before us. Go with the king/ or ruling hierarchy ("the Brethren") model, or go with a decentralized model where each individual expresses a willingness to answer for his own sins, and become spiritually self sufficient.

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Postby buffalo_girl » Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:46 pm

If we know and love the LAW of Christ, having the Holy Spirit to enlighten our understanding in "all things" should we not utilize that Gift & Power to Measure the words of our fellow followers of Christ, in whatever capacity they serve Him?

Moses 6
59 ...and inasmuch as ye were born into the world by water and blood, and the spirit, which I have made, and so became of dust a living soul, even so ye must be born again into the kingdom of heaven, of water, and of the Spirit, and be cleansed by blood, even the blood of mine Only Begotten; that ye might be sanctified from all sin, and enjoy the words of eternal life in this world, and eternal life in the world to come, even immortal glory;
60 For by the water ye keep the commandment; by the Spirit ye are justified, and by the blood ye are sanctified;
61 Therefore it is given to abide in you; the record of heaven; the Comforter; the peaceable things of immortal glory; the truth of all things; that which quickeneth all things, which maketh alive all things; that which knoweth all things, and hath all power according to wisdom, mercy, truth, justice, and judgment.
62 And now, behold, I say unto you: This is the plan of salvation unto all men, through the blood of mine Only Begotten, who shall come in the meridian of time.
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This process appears to be a personal 'schooling' by means of the Holy Spirit as we commit our souls to Christ. Every individual has access to the same process. However, we each retain our unique personalities, are inspired to contribute our perspective & skills to one another, yet arrive being "ONE" as a People in Our LORD.

Doctrine & Covenants 38
21 But, verily I say unto you that in time ye shall have no king nor ruler, for I will be your king and watch over you.

22 Wherefore, hear my voice and follow me, and you shall be a free people, and ye shall have no laws but my laws when I come, for I am your lawgiver, and what can stay my hand?

23 But, verily I say unto you, teach one another according to the office wherewith I have appointed you;

24 And let every man esteem his brother as himself, and practice virtue and holiness before me.

25 And again I say unto you, let every man esteem his brother as himself.

26 For what man among you having twelve sons, and is no respecter of them, and they serve him obediently, and he saith unto the one: Be thou clothed in robes and sit thou here; and to the other: Be thou clothed in rags and sit thou there—and looketh upon his sons and saith I am just?

27 Behold, this I have given unto you as a parable, and it is even as I am. I say unto you, be one; and if ye are not one ye are not mine.
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I suggest reading the entire Section 38. I believe the warnings apply to this topic.

I read verse 22 to mean, we are expected to KNOW and ACT upon His laws because we 'hear His voice and follow Him'.

One question that has often crossed my mind...HOW will we conduct ourselves as Children of Christ if/when we are separated from Church Headquarters for an extended period? I'm suggesting a serious 'lock down' in travel and ALL forms of technological communication.

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Postby sushi_chef » Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:26 am

"Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church that states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church."[1][2]

This doctrine was defined dogmatically in the First Vatican Council of 1869–1870, but had been defended before that, existing already in medieval theology and being the majority opinion at the time of the Counter-Reformation.[3]....
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"We at TIA try to follow the first school. So, we do not have any problem in admitting that Pius IX, before being Pope, was a liberal and could have been a Mason. This does not mean that we do not admire the great Saint Pontiff he became; we do. We are not certain that he was a Mason. We have read this affirmation in many books written by good historians. Recently, we decided to publish some documents of Freemasonry that also affirm he was a Mason. This publication caused a sector of sede-vacantism to explode against us.
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Re: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints report on Satanic Ritual Abuse

Postby Durzan » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:11 pm

So then... lets address the elephant in the room, then. Are our current leaders true Prophets of God?

If so, then are they fallible, and to what extent are they receiving revelation? Are they striving with all their might to fully follow all of God's instructions, both in the D&C and in their personal revelations? If so, does some of that personal revelation include an order to keep things to themselves because of the wickedness of the saints, or because we are not yet ready for the revelations? Etc.

If not, then are they good men doing their best in the position they are in? If they are good men, are they corrupted in some significant fashion, that would limit their spiritual sensitivity? And if they are corrupted, then wouldn't the Spirit still testify of any truth they said, because it is in the nature of the Spirit to testify of truths regardless of the source?

If they are not good men, then to what extent are they not good? Are they merely corrupted business executives, or something along that tangent, like some people claim? Are they cult leaders, seeking to maintain power? Are they active and secret apostates? Or are they in league with the Satanist cult?

If we are truly going to go down this rabbit hole, then these are the kind of questions we should be asking ourselves and others in this thread. The answers to these questions aren't all mutually exclusive... especially in the context of this thread, as the OP mentioned that these Cult Members have Multiple Personality Disorder or a variation thereof. If it can happen to common members, I can imagine it happening to GA's as well... though I would hope that their other personalities are more inclined to listen to the Spirit than most, and as a result, cannot be swayed by the Devil's cheap rites.

Either way, these questions will put your mind and heart on fire. If you ask them in sincerity and with much soul searching, alongside a healthy dose of scripture study and prayer. When you are done honestly examining them, you should have your eyes opened, and you should find yourself getting an increased understanding and a bigger testimony. If not, well then be careful; many people have asked such questions and left the church, while other's have only grown stronger in the Gospel. To each his own.



Personally, I'm more inclined to go with the first line of questioning (the one that assumes they are all Prophets of God), with a tentative line of following along the second line. I tend to believe in them, and I have felt the Spirit testify that much of what they teach is true, and that they are good men.

But... and this is a very big but... I keep getting this nagging suspicion at the back of my head that something is not quite right within the church. I dunno what it is, but something is going on, and I suspect that its the Spirit telling me to keep my eye out. If there is something wrong in the church, then in time it will be made right. At the proper and appointed time, Heavenly Father will guide someone of Legitimate Authority into the opportune moment to pluck out the thorns and seperate the Wheat from the Tares... and thereby cleanse the church of whatever Evil is infecting her.

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Postby butterfly » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:47 pm

Juliet wrote: I honestly think some, not all, but some of them have multiple personalities. There is a scripture which says to pluck out the evil eye so the right eye can enter the kingdom of heaven. I think some of the 12 may be in this situation, their left eye/right brain is programmed via ritual abuse, and the right eye left brain is honest in its service to the Kingdom of God.

Before I was aware I was in a cult, my lds parts were very spiritual. I honestly think Elder Holland has started integrating his personalities. The real question is, at what point in a person's fallibility does the Lord revoke His stewardship? I say the Master Healer will lead our church and we will be able to forgive the leaders who are caught up in the evils of the day, through no fault of their own. When Jesus comes again, there will be no more cultish evil to worry about, and people will be able to heal. Our quest is to say as Jesus said, forgive them, for they know not what they do.

Keep in mind that because of my past, I am more likely to project my experience onto others.
What exactly catches your attention about others, such as elder Holland, that signals to you that their personalities are starting to integrate, or that they are involved in ritual abuse? Is it something they say? Physical demeanor?

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Postby Juliet » Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:54 am

I flipped open to D&C 50 this morning, and I felt like these verses fit this topic:

4 Behold, I, the Lord, have looked upon you, and have seen abominations in the church that profess my name.

5 But blessed are they who are faithful and endure, whether in life or in death, for they shall inherit eternal life.

6 But wo unto them that are deceivers and hypocrites, for, thus saith the Lord, I will bring them to judgment.

7 Behold, verily I say unto you, there are hypocrites among you, who have deceived some, which has given the adversary power; but behold such shall be reclaimed;

8 But the hypocrites shall be detected and shall be cut off, either in life or in death, even as I will; and wo unto them who are cut off from my church, for the same are overcome of the world.

9 Wherefore, let every man beware lest he do that which is not in truth and righteousness before me.
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Postby buffalo_girl » Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:01 am

Juliet ~ Good find! May the LORD continue to bless you.

We have a 35-year-old son who was abused beginning at age 5 by the father of a kindergarten classmate. Our son is just now finding a way to heal from his wounds. We have not found ANY help from The LDS Church, although there is an extensive support group addressing pornography addiction and the difficulty wives experience because of a husband's compulsions. There is, however, NO help for child victims who were used to produce pornography.

Our son's abuser was a layperson of good standing in the very wealthy Catholic Parish where we lived at that time.

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Re: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints report on Satanic Ritual Abuse

Postby Finrock » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:20 am

sushi_chef wrote:"Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church that states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church."[1][2]

This doctrine was defined dogmatically in the First Vatican Council of 1869–1870, but had been defended before that, existing already in medieval theology and being the majority opinion at the time of the Counter-Reformation.[3]....
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"Pope Pius IX (Italian: Pio IX; 13 May 1792 – 7 February 1878), born Giovanni Maria Mastai-Ferretti,[a] reigned as Pope from 16 June 1846 to his death in 1878. He was the longest-reigning elected pope in the history of the Catholic Church, serving for over 31 years. During his pontificate, Pius....
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"We at TIA try to follow the first school. So, we do not have any problem in admitting that Pius IX, before being Pope, was a liberal and could have been a Mason. This does not mean that we do not admire the great Saint Pontiff he became; we do. We are not certain that he was a Mason. We have read this affirmation in many books written by good historians. Recently, we decided to publish some documents of Freemasonry that also affirm he was a Mason. This publication caused a sector of sede-vacantism to explode against us.
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http://image.search.yahoo.co.jp/search? ... 0freemason" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Having studied religion and religious history for a number of years, it began to dawn on me one day how similar the modern day Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is to the Catholic Church. I see ourselves going through much of the same types of issues and perplexities that the Catholic Church went through. If you look at the Ancient Church, it did not take long for apostasy to take hold. If you study the Ancient Church fathers, starting from the earliest text available to the more later writings several decades or a century or two later, you can see a transition in philosophy, in perspective, and in doctrine. Small errors, here and there, creep in. In my opinion these errors are mostly introduced by well intentioned and generally good hearted people, or men, who were trying to preserve something that was sacred to them.

It has always fascinated me to see how many Mormons will utilize the same arguments that the Catholic Church utilizes in order to deny that any apostasy occurred or can occur. When, as a missionary and as an amateur apologist, I would teach about the Great Apostasy to other Christian sects, depending on the audience, I would get a number of counter-arguments or counter-claims and denials of this apostasy occurring. With Catholics and with some other Christian sects the Great Apostasy would be denied by making an appeal to the scripture that says that upon the rock of Peter would the Church be built and it would never fail. An unbroken line of authority was demonstrated by the Catholics while Protestants would claim that Jesus would not allow the Church to fail. Mostly this claim would be made with the question, "Do you honestly believe that Jesus is not powerful enough to keep His Church from failing? Jesus would not allow His Church to fail or allow Satan to prevail against His Church!" Us Mormons would find plenty of ways to counter this argument. But, isn't it interesting that when it is suggested that the Mormons are in a state of apostasy, then the same arguments that were denied the Catholics and the Protestants by the Mormons is being used by the Mormons? This tendency to special plead and to feel that we, somehow, are the special exception is a very interesting tendency.

It seems that very few individuals are able to see that being in a state of apostasy and being aware of this apostasy (acknowledging it) is not that bad of a thing. Being aware and acknowledging the error is the beginning of repentance and of being made whole again. We can't heal or we won't even begin to try to heal until we accept that we have a sickness. What is worse than being in a state of apostasy, is being in a state of denial and using all sorts of mental gymnastics and irrational tricks to cover up that apostasy is happening. So many people have their whole identity tied to being a Mormon and so any threat to this bastion in their mind is a threat to their very core, which they feel will shatter to pieces if there is any chance that there is error.

Being a rape survivor and having been raped and sexually abused as a small child by my grandmother, my mother, and others in my life, I know what it feels like to have dreams, notions, ideals, and paradigms shattered. It is painful, hard, difficult, and almost unbearable. However, Christ is the Master Healer. He can mend and heal any wound, any error, and make one whole. We don't need to be afraid to come down in to the depths of humility and allow ourselves to be healed and made whole. We are happy for acknowledging our offense and for returning to live the Higher Laws which Christ would have us live. Our identity is tied to Christ. We are Sons and Daughters of God before we were Mormon or before we were anything else. As a people, we are far yet from Zion and there are many things manifest which if we are courageously honest and true, we will see them and know what it is we must do in order to return. But, everyone has their own journey. Mine is mine and all I can do is speak that which I know and what I understand, allowing others their agency, their free will, and allowing them to go through their journey unhindered by my ridicule, mockery, or judgments upon them. I have great faith in the power and might of Jesus Christ. Just as I was brought out from under bondage and rescued from prison through miraculous means, I have great faith the Christ will set all things right and redeem Zion so that one day we may all rejoice and be One, just as the Father and Son and Holy Spirit are One!

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Re: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints report on Satanic Ritual Abuse

Postby underdog » Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:46 pm

Finrock wrote:
sushi_chef wrote:"Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church that states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church."[1][2]

This doctrine was defined dogmatically in the First Vatican Council of 1869–1870, but had been defended before that, existing already in medieval theology and being the majority opinion at the time of the Counter-Reformation.[3]....
"
"Image
"Pope Pius IX (Italian: Pio IX; 13 May 1792 – 7 February 1878), born Giovanni Maria Mastai-Ferretti,[a] reigned as Pope from 16 June 1846 to his death in 1878. He was the longest-reigning elected pope in the history of the Catholic Church, serving for over 31 years. During his pontificate, Pius....
"

"We at TIA try to follow the first school. So, we do not have any problem in admitting that Pius IX, before being Pope, was a liberal and could have been a Mason. This does not mean that we do not admire the great Saint Pontiff he became; we do. We are not certain that he was a Mason. We have read this affirmation in many books written by good historians. Recently, we decided to publish some documents of Freemasonry that also affirm he was a Mason. This publication caused a sector of sede-vacantism to explode against us.
"
http://image.search.yahoo.co.jp/search? ... 0freemason" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
:-B
Having studied religion and religious history for a number of years, it began to dawn on me one day how similar the modern day Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is to the Catholic Church. I see ourselves going through much of the same types of issues and perplexities that the Catholic Church went through. If you look at the Ancient Church, it did not take long for apostasy to take hold. If you study the Ancient Church fathers, starting from the earliest text available to the more later writings several decades or a century or two later, you can see a transition in philosophy, in perspective, and in doctrine. Small errors, here and there, creep in. In my opinion these errors are mostly introduced by well intentioned and generally good hearted people, or men, who were trying to preserve something that was sacred to them.

It has always fascinated me to see how many Mormons will utilize the same arguments that the Catholic Church utilizes in order to deny that any apostasy occurred or can occur. When, as a missionary and as an amateur apologist, I would teach about the Great Apostasy to other Christian sects, depending on the audience, I would get a number of counter-arguments or counter-claims and denials of this apostasy occurring. With Catholics and with some other Christian sects the Great Apostasy would be denied by making an appeal to the scripture that says that upon the rock of Peter would the Church be built and it would never fail. An unbroken line of authority was demonstrated by the Catholics while Protestants would claim that Jesus would not allow the Church to fail. Mostly this claim would be made with the question, "Do you honestly believe that Jesus is not powerful enough to keep His Church from failing? Jesus would not allow His Church to fail or allow Satan to prevail against His Church!" Us Mormons would find plenty of ways to counter this argument. But, isn't it interesting that when it is suggested that the Mormons are in a state of apostasy, then the same arguments that were denied the Catholics and the Protestants by the Mormons is being used by the Mormons? This tendency to special plead and to feel that we, somehow, are the special exception is a very interesting tendency.

It seems that very few individuals are able to see that being in a state of apostasy and being aware of this apostasy (acknowledging it) is not that bad of a thing. Being aware and acknowledging the error is the beginning of repentance and of being made whole again. We can't heal or we won't even begin to try to heal until we accept that we have a sickness. What is worse than being in a state of apostasy, is being in a state of denial and using all sorts of mental gymnastics and irrational tricks to cover up that apostasy is happening. So many people have their whole identity tied to being a Mormon and so any threat to this bastion in their mind is a threat to their very core, which they feel will shatter to pieces if there is any chance that there is error.

Being a rape survivor and having been raped and sexually abused as a small child by my grandmother, my mother, and others in my life, I know what it feels like to have dreams, notions, ideals, and paradigms shattered. It is painful, hard, difficult, and almost unbearable. However, Christ is the Master Healer. He can mend and heal any wound, any error, and make one whole. We don't need to be afraid to come down in to the depths of humility and allow ourselves to be healed and made whole. We are happy for acknowledging our offense and for returning to live the Higher Laws which Christ would have us live. Our identity is tied to Christ. We are Sons and Daughters of God before we were Mormon or before we were anything else. As a people, we are far yet from Zion and there are many things manifest which if we are courageously honest and true, we will see them and know what it is we must do in order to return. But, everyone has their own journey. Mine is mine and all I can do is speak that which I know and what I understand, allowing others their agency, their free will, and allowing them to go through their journey unhindered by my ridicule, mockery, or judgments upon them. I have great faith in the power and might of Jesus Christ. Just as I was brought out from under bondage and rescued from prison through miraculous means, I have great faith the Christ will set all things right and redeem Zion so that one day we may all rejoice and be One, just as the Father and Son and Holy Spirit are One!

-Finrock
Thank you Finrock for a beautiful testimony. And for pointing out a true observation about how Mormons argue against apostasy using the same arguments as the Catholics.

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sushi_chef wrote:"Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church that states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church."[1][2]

This doctrine was defined dogmatically in the First Vatican Council of 1869–1870, but had been defended before that, existing already in medieval theology and being the majority opinion at the time of the Counter-Reformation.[3]....
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Having studied religion and religious history for a number of years, it began to dawn on me one day how similar the modern day Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is to the Catholic Church. I see ourselves going through much of the same types of issues and perplexities that the Catholic Church went through. If you look at the Ancient Church, it did not take long for apostasy to take hold. If you study the Ancient Church fathers, starting from the earliest text available to the more later writings several decades or a century or two later, you can see a transition in philosophy, in perspective, and in doctrine. Small errors, here and there, creep in. In my opinion these errors are mostly introduced by well intentioned and generally good hearted people, or men, who were trying to preserve something that was sacred to them.

It has always fascinated me to see how many Mormons will utilize the same arguments that the Catholic Church utilizes in order to deny that any apostasy occurred or can occur. When, as a missionary and as an amateur apologist, I would teach about the Great Apostasy to other Christian sects, depending on the audience, I would get a number of counter-arguments or counter-claims and denials of this apostasy occurring. With Catholics and with some other Christian sects the Great Apostasy would be denied by making an appeal to the scripture that says that upon the rock of Peter would the Church be built and it would never fail. An unbroken line of authority was demonstrated by the Catholics while Protestants would claim that Jesus would not allow the Church to fail. Mostly this claim would be made with the question, "Do you honestly believe that Jesus is not powerful enough to keep His Church from failing? Jesus would not allow His Church to fail or allow Satan to prevail against His Church!" Us Mormons would find plenty of ways to counter this argument. But, isn't it interesting that when it is suggested that the Mormons are in a state of apostasy, then the same arguments that were denied the Catholics and the Protestants by the Mormons is being used by the Mormons? This tendency to special plead and to feel that we, somehow, are the special exception is a very interesting tendency.

It seems that very few individuals are able to see that being in a state of apostasy and being aware of this apostasy (acknowledging it) is not that bad of a thing. Being aware and acknowledging the error is the beginning of repentance and of being made whole again. We can't heal or we won't even begin to try to heal until we accept that we have a sickness. What is worse than being in a state of apostasy, is being in a state of denial and using all sorts of mental gymnastics and irrational tricks to cover up that apostasy is happening. So many people have their whole identity tied to being a Mormon and so any threat to this bastion in their mind is a threat to their very core, which they feel will shatter to pieces if there is any chance that there is error.

Being a rape survivor and having been raped and sexually abused as a small child by my grandmother, my mother, and others in my life, I know what it feels like to have dreams, notions, ideals, and paradigms shattered. It is painful, hard, difficult, and almost unbearable. However, Christ is the Master Healer. He can mend and heal any wound, any error, and make one whole. We don't need to be afraid to come down in to the depths of humility and allow ourselves to be healed and made whole. We are happy for acknowledging our offense and for returning to live the Higher Laws which Christ would have us live. Our identity is tied to Christ. We are Sons and Daughters of God before we were Mormon or before we were anything else. As a people, we are far yet from Zion and there are many things manifest which if we are courageously honest and true, we will see them and know what it is we must do in order to return. But, everyone has their own journey. Mine is mine and all I can do is speak that which I know and what I understand, allowing others their agency, their free will, and allowing them to go through their journey unhindered by my ridicule, mockery, or judgments upon them. I have great faith in the power and might of Jesus Christ. Just as I was brought out from under bondage and rescued from prison through miraculous means, I have great faith the Christ will set all things right and redeem Zion so that one day we may all rejoice and be One, just as the Father and Son and Holy Spirit are One!

-Finrock
Thank you Finrock for a beautiful testimony. And for pointing out a true observation about how Mormons argue against apostasy using the same arguments as the Catholics.
It is an interesting situation we find ourselves in... we point out the speck in the eyes of the Catholics but fail to notice that the same speck in our own eye... and if it isnt a speck, then its most assuredly is a beam.

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http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-the ... 80004.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just one more witness to the underground satanic network. One of my memories I was told my parents have a trap door in their basement. I don't where it would be or if it was in their Pleasant Grove House or Sandy, but now you know why I homeschooling. These guys can access the children if you are not around because they dig holes underground. It also explains the loud booms people hear because they have a huge underground drill. Again, where did the 2 trillion dollars go that was reported missing right before 9/11? My guess is it went to their underground black projects.

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Postby Durzan » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:07 am

Interesting...

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Postby Juliet » Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:55 pm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F66yq0vDPLQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hypnotist puts kids in high school to sleep on stage. Do not think that pedos won't do this to your kids while they are at school along with a drug and a command to forget what happened. More coincidental evidence for my own testimony. I have some of my book written along with more information on my blog http://www.gospelinsights.weebly.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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sushi_ guesstimates possibly mind control monarch projects entered(have been received by) some lds families networks. probably correct??

"ASSANGE - THE FAMILY - MIND CONTROL
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It is believed that Julian Assange was mind controlled while he was a member of the cult known as 'The Family'.

The Family was also known as the Santiniketan Park Association and the Great White Brotherhood.

'The Family' beat, starved and sexually abused its children.

The cult injected its children with LSD.

'The Family' mind controlled its children, presumably on behalf of the CIA and its friends.
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sushi_chef wrote:sushi_ guesstimates possibly mind control monarch projects entered(have been received by) some lds families networks. probably correct??

"ASSANGE - THE FAMILY - MIND CONTROL
Image

It is believed that Julian Assange was mind controlled while he was a member of the cult known as 'The Family'.

The Family was also known as the Santiniketan Park Association and the Great White Brotherhood.

'The Family' beat, starved and sexually abused its children.

Yes, the short hair is so they can comb their hair more easily after the elctroshock sessions, which keep the mind dissociated. They also have drugs galore. They can come up behind you and inject you and you are, out before you know what is happening. That is why I am concerned they do this to school kids.

The cult injected its children with LSD.

'The Family' mind controlled its children, presumably on behalf of the CIA and its friends.
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Yes, short hair for hair so it is easier to comb because of the electroshcok sessions. And the eyes don't match because the right and left brain is severed.

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Postby sushi_chef » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:02 pm

wow, thats very heart-breaking/horrifying/woeful things to hear.

one thing reminds sushi_ is about youtube ted gundersons(1928 - 2011) where, hopefully sushi_s memory serves/interprets still correctly, that was some years ago and lost url etc( sushi_s www access started around 2005, 6), he mentioned utah pedophile ring stuff and he pointed elizabeth smart case(2002, 3) and was suspicious about her father (part of the ring or some), anyhow, although mr gunderson might have been a bit exaggerated ( http://www.process.org/discept/2012/07/ ... -paranoid/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), to sushi_s conspiracy-sensitive-mindedness at that time or still thinks whole thing, meant-by the smart case, was fully orchestrated to discredit the notion of mighty strong and gileadis books so on.

"also known among many fundamentalist Latter Day Saints as "the One Mighty and Strong" – appeared to be based in part on a reading of the biblical book of Isaiah by the independent Latter Day Saint Hebraist, Avraham Gileadi, with which Mitchell became familiar from his former participation with Sterling Allan's American Study Group.)[12][13]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_David_Mitchell" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

recent semi-demise of mr allen
search.php?keywords=sterl*&terms=all&au ... mit=Search" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

multi generational thing and daten mafia etc....
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Tea party Republicans are agents of a foreign power (Israel)....

Illegals coming over the border are tied to....(Neocons).

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also, sushi_ read some from the translation of "die daten mafia,"(by egmont r koch, jochen sperber, 1995, about clandestine operations between nsa and mossad, published in germany) seems not available in english traslation version. journalists/authors write several paragraphs about the mormon colony in baltimore nsa hq.

egmont r koch, jochen sperber
http://search.yahoo.co.jp/search?p=egmo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 3_sa&x=wrt
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intelligence community running usa, the country....
http://whowhatwhy.org/2014/01/16/transc ... sell-tice/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
urrr....so, based on the sushi_s conspiracy mindedness what can sushi_ say??

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that possibility : the nephites of old
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Postby Juliet » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:20 am

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Juliet ~ Good find! May the LORD continue to bless you.

We have a 35-year-old son who was abused beginning at age 5 by the father of a kindergarten classmate. Our son is just now finding a way to heal from his wounds. We have not found ANY help from The LDS Church, although there is an extensive support group addressing pornography addiction and the difficulty wives experience because of a husband's compulsions. There is, however, NO help for child victims who were used to produce pornography.

Our son's abuser was a layperson of good standing in the very wealthy Catholic Parish where we lived at that time.
Thank you for sharing this. It does take a life time to find healing. Sometimes I get a priesthood blessing daily to help my mind and heart get back into alignment. The church probably doesn't know how to help. It is so scary for people to try to comprehend it. I believe that will change in the next 20 to 30 years. I believe it is the mission of my generation to help the emotional body, or the heart, to come into alignment with the mental body, or the brain. We just don't have the tech to do that. Just like the church was still true before electricity, it is still true even though they don't have the spiritual tech to figure all of this out. One thing I know, is that the Lord has healed me one day at a time, and I am happy to share what has healed me any time. A very good start is to really contemplate the power of unconditional love and complete forgiveness. The key to healing always comes from there. But, grief work, allowing ALL emotions to surface, must come also. So, there must be time to feel anger, hate, rage, and fear, because all of those emotions serve as survival mechanisms. So those feelings must be allowed to surface. In fact, I believe that demonic possession is a contract between the soul and a negative spirit, when the soul no longer has the courage to face difficult emotions, such as mentioned above. So, in order to cast out the evil spirit, one must learn how to face those terrible feelings, slowly enough that one does not become disabled or overwhelmed. In the case of dealing with trauma, having a panic attack is the best thing, because you are starting to face the fear of the past. It is surfacing, and when it is over, that 'demon' holding the pain has nothing to do anymore and it will leave. That is why, in my opinion, many of the evil spirits would yell when they left the body. Because yelling is a form of grieving, which allows the negative emotions repressed in the body to escape.

I have panic attacks that can last for 8 straight hours. The most negative, destructive, and horrible thoughts and feelings surface during these. I even have to scream in the bathroom into a towel. I have to bring those negative feelings into conscious reality and experience them, then my cognitive left brain is able to see there is no longer a threat, and the fear leaves, and I feel soooo good afterwards. You know how it feels to have a good cry, it is like that. So, unlike most experts who tell you fear is bad, I say, jump into it like you would jump into a pool of cold water. You push through it and come out the other end alive, and the fear has no more power over you to disable you ever again.

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Postby Robin Hood » Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:39 am

Juliet,
Have you written to the First Presidency and the Presiding Bishop yet?

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Juliet wrote:
Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:20 am
...The church probably doesn't know how to help. It is so scary for people to try to comprehend it. I believe that will change in the next 20 to 30 years. I believe it is the mission of my generation to help the emotional body, or the heart, to come into alignment with the mental body, or the brain. We just don't have the tech to do that. Just like the church was still true before electricity, it is still true even though they don't have the spiritual tech to figure all of this out. One thing I know, is that the Lord has healed me one day at a time, and I am happy to share what has healed me any time. A very good start is to really contemplate the power of unconditional love and complete forgiveness. The key to healing always comes from there. But, grief work, allowing ALL emotions to surface, must come also. So, there must be time to feel anger, hate, rage, and fear, because all of those emotions serve as survival mechanisms. So those feelings must be allowed to surface. In fact, I believe that demonic possession is a contract between the soul and a negative spirit, when the soul no longer has the courage to face difficult emotions, such as mentioned above. So, in order to cast out the evil spirit, one must learn how to face those terrible feelings, slowly enough that one does not become disabled or overwhelmed. In the case of dealing with trauma, having a panic attack is the best thing, because you are starting to face the fear of the past. It is surfacing, and when it is over, that 'demon' holding the pain has nothing to do anymore and it will leave. That is why, in my opinion, many of the evil spirits would yell when they left the body. Because yelling is a form of grieving, which allows the negative emotions repressed in the body to escape.

I have panic attacks that can last for 8 straight hours. The most negative, destructive, and horrible thoughts and feelings surface during these. I even have to scream in the bathroom into a towel. I have to bring those negative feelings into conscious reality and experience them, then my cognitive left brain is able to see there is no longer a threat, and the fear leaves, and I feel soooo good afterwards. You know how it feels to have a good cry, it is like that. So, unlike most experts who tell you fear is bad, I say, jump into it like you would jump into a pool of cold water. You push through it and come out the other end alive, and the fear has no more power over you to disable you ever again.
There is this possibility now. Most all trauma occurs/ has roots in prenatal development problems. The Peak States Institute researches and takes care of these problems, and more. Energy healing, such as the Body Code, BodyTalk, EFT, etc. can do this, too. I believe Stan(islav) Grof came out with breathing about 50 years ago, and it's helpful for it, too (I'll keep searching for this).


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