Venezuela: End Stage Socialism

[Joel]

[David13]

Another socialist utopia.
It's based on a disease of the mind.
dc

[Curtis99]

Not even a peep about this on the main stream media. Very sad.

[dauser]

Not even a peep about this on the main stream media. Very sad.

The main stream media and establishment universities are owned by the same people controlling Venezuela.

They are same people who buy up all the armies and navies, the same people who control Obama.

They own the debt...that is what we get for giving them our power to create US Dollars.

We can thank President Woodrow Wilson for giving away our power to create money to our enemies, he makes university professors look like fools.

[dauser]

Now that the free lunch, free education and free medication is drying up and the sandy foundations are being washed away... the people will have to start relying on God, faith and work instead of government.

Hopefully Venezuela has enough brain power to do to the Jewish bankers what Iceland did to the Jewish banksters...or perhaps even better, the people may join The Church.

I will bet that missionary work is going to get very busy down there very soon.

How is The Church doing to Venezuela anyway?

Does The Church have stakes, wards, branches, missions, farms and distribution centers down there?

Venezuela may be a perfect place to better more fully establish The Kingdom, now that the people are being prepared and humbled.

[Joel]

Another socialist utopia.
It's based on a disease of the mind.
dc

I suppose delusional thinking is a wide spread human condition

[Joel]

[Jason]

You can get a pretty good collection of news soundbites on Venezuela here -
http://venezuelandailybrief.blogspot.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

usually updated once or twice a week with collection of news articles...

Bloomberg interview -
http://assets.bwbx.io/av/users/iqjWHBFd ... 4N4/v2.mp3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Joel]

[Joel]

[Joel]

Venezuela’s President Seizes 4 Million Toys

Venezuela won’t see a White Christmas in 2017. Snow has never been on the ground in the South American nation. It won’t see much else this year as 60-percent inflation rips at the country’s fabric and serves as the gasoline to which the nation’s President, Nicolas Maduro, is about to light a spark.

Maduro, Hugh Chavez’s hand-picked successor, and former bus driver has neither Chavez’s charisma or intellect.

Because of his ineptness, the Grinch Who Stole Christmas may be living in Caracas.

Failed Economic Policies

Maduro has set some dubious economic records. The president has managed to create real poverty in an oil-rich middle-income nation. Venezuela’s largest banknote is worth about two cents (USD).

Well done Maduro. But the accomplishments don’t end there.

Venezuela is an oil producer, but now imports crude oil from America. The nation, a great place for growing sugar cane, can’t get Coca-Cola to open a bottling plant — sugar is not available.

Big Macs? Forget it. The economy is so poorly run that Big Macs are not available as no one can be located to cook the center part of the bun.

Now, Venezuela has gone one further.

Under Maduro’s orders, 4 million toys have been seized from a private company. The government intends to hand them out just before Christmas as gifts to poor children.

The nation’s fair pricing authority stole the toys from three Kreisel owned warehouses on Friday. The country’s largest toy distributor also saw two company executives detained on suspicion of promoting price speculation. The government does believe that prices are just random digits applied to products and not the vital information that keeps a nation’s economy moving.

“Operation Merry Christmas” — Now Give Us Your Toys

In November, Maduro kicked off a program he called “Operation Merry Christmas.” The goal was to reduce the price of toys, clothes, and appliances and boost his failing poll numbers. Venezuela is struggling with a flailing economy.

Soldiers in Caracas peddled subsidized holiday food as almost 30,000 government inspectors leaned on private business to slash prices. Maduro hoped he could take the sting from the 63-percent inflation rate the nation is seeing.

While inflation goes through the roof, Maduro’s approval ratings have slumped to below 30-percent.

Within hours of Venezuela’s price control czar Andres Mendez issued orders to businesses to keep prices down, shops were cut prices and soldiers organized Christmas “fairs” stock with government sponsored items from food to electronics.

A line formed outside a downtown Caracas toy story where cut-rate Barbie dolls had been marked down to 550 bolivars — about $5 (USD).

Carmen Suarez, a mother of two, said, “I’m buying six Barbies before they’re gone. I was told I could buy six — as long as I didn’t buy two of the same model.”

A year ago the same strategy worked for Maduro. In 2015, Maduro saw a bump in poll numbers have forced price reductions lifted the ruling party’s standing in the following elections.

Maduro accuses the opposition, together with business leaders to fighting an economic war to juice consumer prices and create product shortages.

Taking a page from the American President-elect’s playbook, Maduro Tweeted: “Children are scared. We will not let them rob you of Christmas.”

[gclayjr]

Again you all prove that a focus on conspiracy theories continually distracts you from clear thought. I have been following the Venezuelan crisis closer than most people including most of you conspiracy folks. I will agree that there is too much focus on Trump, Clinton, vote recounts, Trump cabinet selections etc.

I am frustrated, because I don't care about most of this, but I do care about the crisis in Venezuela, and other events gong on in the world, and I am frustrated that it isn't easily found. That being said, instead of sitting in my basement and frothing at the mouth about the Illuminati, or other conspiratorial Jews, I simply use search engines (I prefer Bing), and search for news about Venezuela each day, and guess what, The main stream media, has just about as much daily news as non-traditional news sources. I simply read what is written by several sources, and get a lot better information about what is happening than I would by spending my time fomenting about how somehow this is some grand conspiracy. For example last week:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... 5d67abd0d8

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... overpriced

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... a492f82471

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... in-the-u-s

and there is plenty more...All legitimate MSM outlets, pl;us when you search you also get links from less traditional sources.

So why not just try and broadly search for the truth, rather spend all of your time looking for the Jewish banker/ power broker conspiracy to hide everything... You would know more about what is actually happening in Venezuela.

Regards,

George Clay

[2EstablishZion]

@ gclayjr - you say so much that is likely correct, but in such a way that no one gives a $#!T. Maybe try quit being such an arrogant superior jerk and try a little more gentle persuasion (?) Another possibility, maybe be open to the possibility, however unlikely, that you don't know everything. Someone wisely said that every person can learn something from every other person - maybe take a bit more of a humble, learning approach - who knows, you might learn something. I find it interesting that you "know" that you have been following the Venezuela crisis "closer than most people, including most of you conspiracy folks." It must be nice to be so omniscient that you can make such pronouncements.

[gclayjr]

2EstablishZion,

I have always been more of an Idea person, or a person who concentrates on seeking true principles, rather than a people person. So you may be right. It may not shock you to know that you are not the first person to accuse me of being an arrogant a$$ or jerk.

I sometimes let my frustrations coat my efforts to persuade. I see conspiracy folks seeming to almost figure out real problems, then discredit their thinking by pounding everything into the same old conspiracy crap. The title of this thread is "Venezuela: End stage Socialism". I guess I was hoping for observations on the path taken by Chavismo leading to an initial appearance of "Democratic Socialism" success as they redistributed the wealth of this oil rich country, and then following it down its inevitable path of debt, poverty, and corruption to the miserable hellhole that it has become.

Instead I see the standard boilerplate like the following:

The main stream media and establishment universities are owned by the same people controlling Venezuela.

They are same people who buy up all the armies and navies, the same people who control Obama.

They own the debt...that is what we get for giving them our power to create US Dollars.

And I guess I get frustrated, because of so much loss of opportunity to really debate the true problems and maybe someday get people on board to fix them, being lost in this fanatical conspiracy claptrap.

It is a bit like the global warming idiots. If it rains, proves global warming, if it snows , proves global warming, if it is dry, proves global warming, if the wind blows, proves global warming...etc.

THe main difference, is that the global warming idiots are not even accurate in their observation of the problem, let alone their stupid proposed solutions.

In the case of conspiracy folks, many of the problems observed, are truly problems, and I sense a certain possibility of actually discussing the true nature of the problems, and maybe someday what one should do, then it spins out into this conspiracy crap, and the essence of everything else disappears.

I guess the reason that conspiracy folks often irritate me more than global warming idiots, is that they so often get close to rational discussion of real issues, before they spin off, where the global warming stuff is BS from beginning to end, and I never even allow myself the hope of anything coherent from them.

Regards,

George Clay

[Joel]

Venezuela Follows India’s Example and Voids Half of Its Cash

CARACAS, Venezuela—Venezuela is taking nearly half the country’s bank notes out of circulation beginning Wednesday, threatening to ruin the holidays season for Venezuelans already suffering from dire cash shortages, hyperinflation and an economic meltdown.

The country’s largest bill, worth 100 bolivars or just 3 U.S. cents on the black market, is to become illegal, in a move designed to combat contraband along Venezuela’s borders, the government said.

President Nicolás Maduro said outlawing the notes would destroy what he claims are Colombian smuggling mafias that hoard bolivars to buy price-controlled food and gasoline in Venezuela, which is then resold at a markup. Mr. Maduro said Monday night he was closing the Colombian border until Thursday night to prevent stacks of bolivars from making it back to the country.

Buying a kilogram of tomatoes already requires a stack of at least 32 100-bolivar bills in Venezuela, where banks and credit-card terminals are scarce outside state capitals and ATMs give out a maximum of $2 a day in the national currency, the bolivar. Now it will take at least twice that many.

Venezuelans have just two days to deposit into banks the more than six billion targeted bills currently in circulation. Anyone wanting to exchange the worthless bills after that will have 10 days to submit them at the central bank after being questioned by the secret police, Mr. Maduro said in an unexpected announcement on Sunday.

[gclayjr]

Joel,

Yes, They are soon going to come out with 20,000 Bolivar notes, but for now they are getting rid of their largest, the 100 Bolivar note. They are trying to control the economy through price controls. Unfortunately , since price controls, create shortages, there is an incredible black market. So in order to get rid of the Black market, they are getting rid of the currency most used in Black market transactions.

So in order to force most people to use electronic (controllable) money, they are making it hard to have paper , non electronic money (just before Christmas). However, in reality, they want to virtually eliminate the cash market.

So do you think any of the new money will have serial numbers like 666?

Regards,

George Clay

[Joel]

So do you think any of the new money will have serial numbers like 666?

superstitious people would freak out... it would make for a fun story for sure!

[gclayjr]

Joel,

I did write it somewhat humorously. I think people look the at this prophecy the wrong way. They are always looking for the number 666 in one place or another. I think the right way to look at this is to look for situations and beliefs that would tend to restrict trade to be controlled by "Mammon", and sometime later we will see how some number like 666 fits in.

During WW2 in many countries, and during the Cold war in the former Soviet Union, one of the worst thinks one could be accused of is being a "Hoarder". A hoarder, to them, was someone who managed to get an illegal, non-government rationed bag of potatoes. I had a friend who had lived and worked in Belarus during this period. He said that the average citizen hated someone who was a "hoarder" so much that they would rather tell the government and see them get their just punishment, than share the illegal potatoes, and keep quiet.

One of greatest evils of these societies is they way they twist even normal human behavior to be often even more hateful, than the natural man...which is hateful enough.

In Venezuela, people are so desperate that they are selling their candlesticks, or spare toothpaste in order to buy necessary food. However, this desperate selling of your stuff to get the necessities of life is.... Black Marketing!! and we know those who sell on the black market are greedy evil people!

So you see a pattern of the kind of events, where a government tries to control the market through socialist means of planned production, price controls, and income redistribution, leads to a necessity to restrict currency to protect against Black Market selling, whether by evil greedy people... or... desperate people just trying to get by... and it sure smells a lot like what John the Revelator was prophesying about in the Book of Revelations!

Regards,

George Clay

[Joel]

and we know those who sell on the black market are greedy evil people!

I am going to use this line next time a neighborhood kid tries to sell me a crappy cup of lemonade

[Joel]

Several people were injured in clashes between riot police and protesters as thousands took to the streets of Caracas on Tuesday, to protest against the President of the country, Nicolas Maduro.

The clashes reportedly started after police had sealed off metro stations and cordoned off Plaza Venezuela, where opposition leaders were due to address the protesting crowd. The police reportedly deployed tear gas, water cannons and pepper spray.

The massive demonstration followed the Venezuelan Supreme Court's decision to take over legislative powers from the opposition controlled National Assembly in late March. On Saturday, Maduro revoked the ruling saying "this controversy is over."

[simpleton]

So here is some "conspiracy " thinking.....

What are the fabrics holding our economy in america together? What is stopping our "economy" from imploding or exploding?
Why do our trillions of digitally produced and printed dollars still have value, with simply just being backed by the faith and trust in the government of the United States of America?
What is stopping us from becoming like Venezuela financially speaking?
Our dollar has most definitely lost purchasing power over the years, but why does it still have world dominance?
Well 100s of articles of our worthless money system could be quoted but what's the point. Just some rambling "conspiracy" thoughts...

[Silver]

So here is some "conspiracy " thinking.....

What are the fabrics holding our economy in america together? What is stopping our "economy" from imploding or exploding?
Why do our trillions of digitally produced and printed dollars still have value, with simply just being backed by the faith and trust in the government of the United States of America?
What is stopping us from becoming like Venezuela financially speaking?
Our dollar has most definitely lost purchasing power over the years, but why does it still have world dominance?
Well 100s of articles of our worthless money system could be quoted but what's the point. Just some rambling "conspiracy" thoughts...

Of course, there's nothing conspiratorial about questions/thoughts like those. The answer is, for now, the US still has an extremely lethal military force. Not that I'm proud of how it is being used, mind you.

[gclayjr]

Simpleton,

So here is some "conspiracy " thinking.....

What are the fabrics holding our economy in america together? What is stopping our "economy" from imploding or exploding?
Why do our trillions of digitally produced and printed dollars still have value, with simply just being backed by the faith and trust in the government of the United States of America?
What is stopping us from becoming like Venezuela financially speaking?
Our dollar has most definitely lost purchasing power over the years, but why does it still have world dominance?
Well 100s of articles of our worthless money system could be quoted but what's the point. Just some rambling "conspiracy" thoughts...

After all of the rants I have read here about Rothschild's and the crashing of an airplane into the Pentagon being an illusion, I would not apologize for your question.

There is a lot that could explain it, but I would start with 2 words,

Breton Woods

After WW2, the US Dollar became the World Currency. If the French want to buy Oil from Venezuela, they don't pay in Francs, Euros, or Bolivars, the deal is consummated in US Dollars. Also as many dollars as we have printed there is still more trust in the USD than in just about any other currency. Foreigners are hoarding dollars, because they trust them more than their own currency. They are supporting our over inflated dollar, and we are reaping the benefits of this.

How long will this continue?

Quien Sabe

George Clay

[Silver]

Simpleton,

So here is some "conspiracy " thinking.....

What are the fabrics holding our economy in america together? What is stopping our "economy" from imploding or exploding?
Why do our trillions of digitally produced and printed dollars still have value, with simply just being backed by the faith and trust in the government of the United States of America?
What is stopping us from becoming like Venezuela financially speaking?
Our dollar has most definitely lost purchasing power over the years, but why does it still have world dominance?
Well 100s of articles of our worthless money system could be quoted but what's the point. Just some rambling "conspiracy" thoughts...

After all of the rants I have read here about Rothschild's and the crashing of an airplane into the Pentagon being an illusion, I would not apologize for your question.

There is a lot that could explain it, but I would start with 2 words,

Breton Woods

After WW2, the US Dollar became the World Currency. If the French want to buy Oil from Venezuela, they don't pay in Francs, Euros, or Bolivars, the deal is consummated in US Dollars. Also as many dollars as we have printed there is still more trust in the USD than in just about any other currency. Foreigners are hoarding dollars, because they trust them more than their own currency. They are supporting our over inflated dollar, and we are reaping the benefits of this.

How long will this continue?

Quien Sabe

George Clay

¿Jorge, entiendes español?

[gclayjr]

Silver,

mas o menos

durante los 80's fui trbajando por Ascensores Otis en muchos de los paises en America Latino, incluyendo Venezuela


Regards,

George Clay