The Standoff in Oregon and Killing of Robert “LaVoy” Finicum

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AMMON arrested. Robert “LaVoy” Finicum Killed.

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Ammon Bundy, the leader of the armed group occupying a federal wildlife refuge near Burns, Oregon, and three others have been arrested by law enforcement amid shots being fired.

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HARNEY COUNTY, Ore. — KATU News has learned the leader of the armed occupation at Malheur Wildlife Refuge, Ammon Bundy, has been detained and one person is dead following a confrontation with law enforcement officials Tuesday night.
Officials said it all began with a traffic stop while Bundy and some of his followers were en route to a community meeting in John Day, about 70 miles away.
Shots were fired after FBI agents, Oregon State troopers and other law enforcement agencies made the stop. CNN reports its unclear who fired first.
Ammon Bundy said he prayed about the matter and "clearly understood that the Lord was not pleased with what was happening to the Hammonds."
Bundy told KATU News last weekend his group had no intention of using their weapons, "but we have them, and we're willing to stand with them in our own defence as we exercise our rights, and as we restore our rights back to our brothers and sisters."
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"HARNEY COUNTY, Ore. — One person is dead and several others, including Oregon occupation leader Ammon Bundy, were detained following a confrontation with the FBI and state police Tuesday night.
It all began with a traffic stop while Bundy and some of his followers were en route to a community meeting in John Day, about 70 miles away.
Shots were fired after FBI agents, Oregon State troopers and other law enforcement agencies made the stop.
Ammon Bundy, Ryan Bundy, Brian Cavalier, Shawna Cox and Ryan W. Payne were arrested during the stop.
They're all facing federal felony charges of conspiracy to impede officers of the US from discharging their official duties through the use of force, intimidation or threats.
One person, who was the subject of a federal probable cause arrest died. It's unclear who fired first."

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I'm glad it's over. I'm sorry someone had to die over this silliness.

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"It's unclear who fired first."

SERIOUSLY???

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Stacy Oliver wrote:I'm glad it's over. I'm sorry someone had to die over this silliness.
I fear this is only the beginning :(

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What gets me is that it is the federal agents enforcing law, which is against everything the founding fathers setup to protect us from any private "federal" corporation controlled by the mother country herself.

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They let these hoodlums go on too long destroying public property. Hopefully it will now be easier to arrest the rest of the criminals that are occupying the refuge building.

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I am grabbing my guns and ammo and driving through the night to Oregon - to stand with them! I am done! I will defend our Constitution and our liberties and stand with these courageous men and women. And I'm a woman!

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idahommie wrote:They let these hoodlums go on too long destroying public property. Hopefully it will now be easier to arrest the rest of the criminals that are occupying the refuge building.
Apparantly Idahommie thinks that cutting a fence, using some publicly owned computers, and camping out on public land is worthy of the death penalty.

What a cold, bloodthirsty, savage, barbaric view.

Can you remind who the actual victim of these heinous crimes was? Who's rights were violated by what these men did?

Notice the crimes they are being charged with have to do with pissing off the state, not any sort of actual offense against another person.

1 dead, 6 going to prison, and no real crime has actually been committed.

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Tarpman is dead
he believed there were many days left for him...nope

i wonder what other beliefs he got wrong in his life?

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LaVoy Finicum.. author of Only by Blood and Suffering. Regaining Lost Freedom.

Executed by FBI … US Federal Police.

He was on his knees with hands up and they shot him twice.


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Elizabeth wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh8XKRnHs68


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LaVoy Finicum.. author of Only by Blood and Suffering. Regaining Lost Freedom.

Executed by FBI … US Federal Police.

He was on his knees with hands up and they shot him twice.


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And it shall come to pass among the wicked, that every man that will not take his sword against his neighbor must needs flee unto Zion for safety.

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LaVoy Finicum.. author of Only by Blood and Suffering. Regaining Lost Freedom.

Executed by FBI … US Federal Police.

He was on his knees with hands up and they shot him twice.

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Let me see if I've got this right. In real life, Mr. Finicum was the author of a right wing "Turner Diaries," right wing fantasy novel complete with the gun happy hero defending himself in a wild gunfight with the bad guys. Also in real life, LDS church leaders ask LDS not to join the right wing armed malitias, but Mr. Finicum, ostensibly devout, but evidently not always obedient to the inspired guidance from the living prophets, shows up with the Bundys' armed malitiamen, himself armed to the teeth, to help illegally seize the refuge at gun point, an act the Bundys had to know had a high probability of triggering an armed confrontation with heavily armed local, county, state, and Federal law enforcement agents. Mr. Finicum claims he's there to support the constitution by violating it through the illegal seizure. He also vows never to be taken alive. So his supporters now claim this fearless warrior, bristling with guns, meekly and unexpectedly surrendered without a fight during the traffic stop Tues. afternoon and was then on his knees with his hands up in the air, when he was unlawfully shot multiple times? I hope there's video of this so we can all see what really happened.

My sincere condolences to the Finicum family, but I really think his death was at least partly his own fault. In all honesty, I really doubt God contradicted the inspiration He sent to His living prophets and told Ammon Bundy to go seize the refuge. In addition, I guess I'll never understand this whole "save the constitution by violating it" concept. And it saddens me to realize this whole sad affair could have been avoided with better judgement on everyone's part.

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ilovetherain wrote:I am grabbing my guns and ammo and driving through the night to Oregon - to stand with them! I am done! I will defend our Constitution and our liberties and stand with these courageous men and women. And I'm a woman!
Are you aware that the living prophets have urged LDS not to join armed right wing militia groups? If you are aware of this counsel, why in the world are you going to go against it?

And what will your presence do to make this tragic situation better?

Again, I cannot understand how violating the constitution will defend it.

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Thankfully I own land in Australia and not in America. So far, apart from having land taken for roads and service corridors, our Government has not as yet attempted to steal it. We are also allowed to freely collect, store, and use rainwater and utilise underground waters.

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Patriot16

Could you please explain, in specific terms, why you believe these individuals are violating the Constitution?

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Idahommie

Could you please explain what destructive acts you are referring to? Last I saw they were cleaning the place up.

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Patriot16 wrote:
ilovetherain wrote:I am grabbing my guns and ammo and driving through the night to Oregon - to stand with them! I am done! I will defend our Constitution and our liberties and stand with these courageous men and women. And I'm a woman!
Are you aware that the living prophets have urged LDS not to join armed right wing militia groups? If you are aware of this counsel, why in the world are you going to go against it?

And what will your presence do to make this tragic situation better?

Again, I cannot understand how violating the constitution will defend it.
Just what does the term "patriot" mean to you, anyway? I suppose the word is ambiguous in nature. I guess we are a patriot to whatever suits our fancy, right? We can be a patriot to wrong doing, corrupt government and tyranny, socialism and enslavement by those wanting to control the masses in everything they do or think.
Or we can be a patriot to upholding the Constitution as the Founding Fathers meant it to be understood, trying to hold government accountable for evil doing, like illegal land grabs, legalized plunder and blatant corruption like making up laws as they go along. Now they've killed a man, murdered him for their own gain. They want power and control whatever the cost. This act was no different than other shootings in this country. They use a badge to exercise evil dominion plain and simple. Yes, and some patriots agree with this kind of devilish action.

If the church says not to join a militia, then where do you suppose the ELDERS and TRUE PATRIOTS are going to come from that are to save the Constitution. Are they going to do it with spit balls, darts, BB pistols, crossed fingers...what? Are the enemy going to see them and fall down with great fear and trepidation and say"we're sorry, take the Constitution back and we'll never be a problem again, we promise?"

Ezra Taft Benson said:
"I reverence the Constitution of the United States as a sacred document. To me its words are akin to the revelations of God, for God has placed His stamp of approval on the Constitution of this land. I testify that the God of Heaven sent some of His choicest spirits to lay the foundation of this government, and He has sent other
choice spirits—even you who read my words—to preserve it." (September 1986, The Constitution: A Heavenly Banner)

David O McKay said:
"Men and women who live in America, “the land of Zion,” have a responsibility greater than that yet borne by any other people. Theirs [is] the duty, the obligation to preserve not only the Constitution of the land but also the Christian principles from which sprang that immortal document." (October 1942, General Conference)

"Church members are at perfect liberty to act according to their own consciences in the matter of safeguarding our way of life. They are, of course, encouraged to honor the highest standards of the gospel and to work to preserve their own freedoms. They are free to participate in non-church meetings that are held to warn people of the threat of Communism or any other theory or principle that will deprive us of our free agency or individual liberties vouchsafed by the Constitution of the United States….
We therefore commend and encourage every person and every group who is sincerely seeking to study Constitutional principles and awaken a sleeping and apathetic people to the alarming conditions that are rapidly advancing about us." (April 1966, General Conference “Statement Concerning the Position of the Church on
Communism”)

"The cause of freedom is a most basic part of our religion. Our position on freedom helped get us to this earth and it can make the difference as to whether we get back home or not….
Now part of the reason why we do not have sufficient Priesthood bearers to save the Constitution, let alone to shake the powers of hell, is, I fear, because unlike Moroni, our souls do not joy in keeping our country free and we are not firm in the faith of Christ, nor have we sworn with an oath to defend our rights." (October 25, 1966, Brigham Young University Speeches of the Year)

Wilford Woodruff
The Prophet Joseph [Smith] had said the time would come when the principles of the Constitution would be forsaken and that instrument would be rent asunder, and this people would then step forward and rescue it from entire destruction. (April 6, 1882, Journal History of the Church, 3)

It is also part of our belief that the time will come when the country will be distracted and general lawlessness prevail. Then the Mormon people will step forward and take an active part in rescuing the nation from ruin. (December 16, 1889, Millennial Star, 50:788)

Erastus Snow
[We] were told by the Prophet Joseph Smith, that the United States Government and people would come to this: that they would undermine one principle of the Constitution after another, until its whole fabric would be torn away, and 124 that it would become the duty of the Latter-day Saints and those in sympathy with them to rescue it from destruction, and to maintain and sustain the principles of human freedom for which our fathers fought and bled. (May 31, 1885, Journal of Discourses, 26:226)

Brigham Young, Jr.
[The] Latter-day Saints will rise up in the power and majesty of the priesthood, and they will bear off the Constitution of the United States. That was given by revelation, and we will defend it with the last drop of blood we have in our bodies and the last dollar in our pockets….(April 1901, General Conference)

Again, what is a true patriot?

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Toto wrote:Idahommie

Could you please explain what destructive acts you are referring to? Last I saw they were cleaning the place up.
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Mayhem and destruction, idiots costing a County, a State, and the Federal Government money to deal with their little boy antics. Whatever realistic points they had were lost in the idiotic way they went about seeking resolution. Holding the building ransom in order to get what they want is a terroristic act.

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Next to being one in worshiping God, there is nothing in the world in which this Church should be more united than in upholding and defending the Constitution of the United States. If members of the Melchizedek Priesthood allow the U.S. Constitution to be destroyed, they not only forfeit their rights to the Priesthood, but to a place in this highest degree of glory as well.
-- David O. McKay, General Conference October 1939

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I missed the call of our Prophet to take guns and go defend some felon ranchers in Oregon, as well as the crazy rancher in Nevada that fails to honor his grazing contracts. I missed the call of our Prophet to even say that these terrorists are on a righteous mission...........
Don't twist the gospel to match your politics. We have been told to obey the law of the land, and that means working within the system to change perceived wrongs the proper and lawful way.

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idahommie wrote:
Toto wrote:Idahommie

Could you please explain what destructive acts you are referring to? Last I saw they were cleaning the place up.
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Mayhem and destruction, idiots costing a County, a State, and the Federal Government money to deal with their little boy antics. Whatever realistic points they had were lost in the idiotic way they went about seeking resolution. Holding the building ransom in order to get what they want is a terroristic act.
Talk about idiots. What can be said about people that do this, even in the COJCOLDS's? We have been warned about complacency and apathy in the church, right?
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idahommie wrote:I missed the call of our Prophet to take guns and go defend some felon ranchers in Oregon, as well as the crazy rancher in Nevada that fails to honor his grazing contracts. I missed the call of our Prophet to even say that these terrorists are on a righteous mission...........
Don't twist the gospel to match your politics. We have been told to obey the law of the land, and that means working within the system to change perceived wrongs the proper and lawful way.
=)) =)) =)) Ya, right!

The devil knows that if the elders of Israel should ever wake up, they could step forth and help preserve freedom and extend the gospel. Therefore the devil has concentrated, and to a large extent successfully, in neutralizing much of the priesthood. He has reduced them to sleeping giants. His arguments are clever….
[Says the devil]: “Don’t do anything in the fight for freedom until the Church sets up its own specific program to save the Constitution.” This brings us right back to the scripture…to those slothful servants who will not do anything until they are “compelled in all things” [D&C 58:26]. Maybe the Lord will never set up a specific church program for the purpose of saving the Constitution. Perhaps if he set one up at this time it might split the Church asunder, and perhaps he does not want that to happen yet for not all the wheat and tares are fully ripe….
[H]ave we elders been warned? Yes, we have. And have we elders been given the guidelines? Yes indeed, we have. And besides, if the Church should ever inaugurate a program [to save the Constitution], who do you think would be in the forefront to get it moving? It would not be those who were sitting on the sidelines prior to that time or those who were appeasing the enemy. It would be those choice spirits who, not waiting to be “commanded in all 101 things,” used their own free will, the counsel of the prophets, and the Spirit of the Lord as guidelines and who entered the battle “in a good cause” and brought to pass much righteousness in freedom’s cause….
Brethren, if we had done our homework and were faithful, we could step forward at this time and help save this country. The fact that most of us are unprepared to do it is an indictment we will have to bear. The longer we wait, the heavier the chains, the deeper the blood, the more the persecution, and the less we can carry out our God-given mandate and worldwide mission. The war in heaven is raging on the earth today. Are you being neutralized in the battle? (April 1965, General Conference)

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Freedom,
If you really think these hoodlums were called of God and are doing the Lords work, go join them. Load your guns and food in your truck and go join them. Walk the walk, talk is cheap. Apparently your Priesthood has not been neutralized. Come on, take Prophet Ammons place and lead the charge to restore the Constitution. Or not, which will be the case.

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