Significant Church Announcement June 23rd

[Fiannan]

There has been a pilot program in the Nordic nations to stem the tide of people getting hit with things they had no clue about until they found them on the net. I think they may extend this worldwide.

In fairness if more Christians actually read their Bibles they would have problems as well as most have no clue about the doctrines found there. Same with sheltered Mormons who suddenly find out about aspects of polygamy that the Church has tried to ignore for quite some time. Truth can shatter the faith of those who have built a sugar-coated image of their religion...any religion.

[AussieOi]

A new program (most likely online) will be revealed whose purpose will be to answer questions members leaving the church seem to ask the most often/the problems they cite the most. It will be labeled a resource.

If that isn't the announcement being made this month, then look for it in the very near future.

Ooh you are naughty.
you and I both know that is coming.
Although that is level 2.
Stage 1 is imagery and mentions in Ensign, conference talks, and so on.

Note the pistol in JS's pocket in the image in this Ensign.

Nice to have you posting

[AussieOi]

There has been a pilot program in the Nordic nations to stem the tide of people getting hit with things they had no clue about until they found them on the net. I think they may extend this worldwide.

In fairness if more Christians actually read their Bibles they would have problems as well as most have no clue about the doctrines found there. Same with sheltered Mormons who suddenly find out about aspects of polygamy that the Church has tried to ignore for quite some time. Truth can shatter the faith of those who have built a sugar-coated image of their religion...any religion.

Sweden I believe? That was pretty extreme
not a pilot program though,

[Zowieink]

The meeting will be about "The Work of Salvation". We are going to have 100,000 missionaries out soon and this meeting will be broadcast from the Marriott Center at BYU with all the newly called mission presidents and (I think) temple presidents.

I'm sure the subject matter will have to do with missionary work, but perhaps a broader scope for "The Work of Salvation" and the blending of missionary work, family history work, and temple work. Since they all lead to the temple.

We may be given a little more meat on which to chew! Nevertheless, the ward councils are most likely going to be given some pretty strict guidlines of what they are to do. No more planning ice sculptures or 500 page handouts....but really getting down past the fluff to the truely basic ideals of the gospel. (Our area is way to prideful))

I also happen to think that some mention will be made about the last days and some mention as to what we should be preparing for.

Last year, Arizona had a state wide conference with every stake involved. Pres. Eyring declared that our area was a place of gathering and refuge from the coming calamities that would soon fill the earth.

[Fiannan]

There has been a pilot program in the Nordic nations to stem the tide of people getting hit with things they had no clue about until they found them on the net. I think they may extend this worldwide.

In fairness if more Christians actually read their Bibles they would have problems as well as most have no clue about the doctrines found there. Same with sheltered Mormons who suddenly find out about aspects of polygamy that the Church has tried to ignore for quite some time. Truth can shatter the faith of those who have built a sugar-coated image of their religion...any religion.

Sweden I believe? That was pretty extreme
not a pilot program though,

The problem is that the Church for the past few decades has chosen to hide or sugar-coat many aspects of its doctrines and history in order to appear more mainstream. That was okay for older members who knew much of this from lessons in Church they grew up with but then the next two generations came along. Suddenly anti-Mormons grasped onto these controversial subjects and used the new technology of the internet to spread them into every home with a computer and someone with a curious mind. That is when younger members began to see these things that could no longer be hidden.

Take for example issues like birth control. Even if you post statements about how evil the majority of our prophets categorized it on forums like this you will find active members who will go crazy on you, question you and even go so far as attack. It upsets their view of the world and their schema of the Church. Some will accept this new-found knowledge, most will play the game of cognitive dissonance and some will quit. The Church is recognizing that to stop so many from leaving they have to be able to address these issues as the attempt to keep people from exploring these ideas is no more likely to succeed than the past decade's attempts to keep active LDS men and women from surfing porn.

This is probably why the Sunday School program was recently changed. There is no reason for members to be scared of our history or doctrines if we know the reasons behind them. However, the white-shirted smiley cookie-cutter ideal of what a Mormon is must be destroyed and replaced with a more intellectual, non-conformist ideal. In other words the ideal Mormon must cease to be a Disney cut out and must be more like the emo ideal of an esoteric-thinking spiritual disciple of the Gospel.

[AussieOi]

No chance

[Sariel]

Sending Boys to do a Man's job who have not lived life, had a family and learned to love others! And then failing to send them out as commanded, 'without purse or script'. Young Boys lack the knowledge and faith of living life and the scriptures to convert the Elect except they find that person whom G_d has already converted. They also lack the ability to truly witness to an evil generation, wiping the dust off their feet of such beings and places. In the Lord's kingdom, He does not do such things... the Messiah himself set the perfect example for us!

Agreed.

..... Maybe this missionary push is more for the young missionaries than it is for the world, to a degree that is...

True, but why do we pretend?

I believe there were supposed to be more deacons, teachers, and priests. Only those who truly proved themselves in spiritual gifts would be called as an Elder. Then these experienced spiritual older Elders would go into the world (with the traveling 12 Apostles) and preach the gospel. Not to convert themselves, but to actually preach the gospel and gather the elect.

[lundbaek]

I wonder if we will be told to study, uphold, and abide by the "principles of the US Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers".

[Sheol27]

True, but why do we pretend?

I believe there were supposed to be more deacons, teachers, and priests. Only those who truly proved themselves in spiritual gifts would be called as an Elder. Then these experienced spiritual older Elders would go into the world (with the traveling 12 Apostles) and preach the gospel. Not to convert themselves, but to actually preach the gospel and gather the elect.

I'm glad they don't make all these different qualifications to become an elder. To me that would politicize the office. I don't have a problem with God giving His seal or stamp (The Holy Spirit of Promise) to give someone extra priesthood power but men are not always right in every action and I wouldn't want good people to miss out on blessings of a higher office because they didn't climb the organization as well as the next person.

I do however agree with the intent of your message. I believe spiritual gifts are ESSENTIAL. That is a very good point. Anyone stronger in the spirit will be more effective in missionary efforts IMO.

I don't have a problem with how things are being done. I believe God is in it. On one hand he is using the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints to bring people into the church to receive ordinances salvation and on the other hand using another force (the 144k) to gather in others to the Church of the Firstborn. The 144k IMO, is a missionary force with people that are more advanced via spiritual gifts. Line upon line precept upon precept.

[buffalo_girl]

The 144k IMO, is a missionary force with people that are more advanced via spiritual gifts.

I 'see' the 144K as those who hold the Priesthood Power of Sealing in the temples - which is certainly a 'type' of missionary force.

Then these experienced spiritual older Elders would go into the world (with the traveling 12 Apostles) and preach the gospel. Not to convert themselves, but to actually preach the gospel and gather the elect.

That seems right to me, as well!

Two letters from the First Presidency were read at the Dickinson, ND Ward yesterday. One was the Church position on BSA; the other was to announce the June 23 broadcast.

The June 23 satellite broadcast is open to ALL interested members and was described as being a Leadership meeting. Leadership is a good concept when it encourages everyone the opportunity to utilize spiritual gifts for the edification of ALL.

Too much of local LEADERSHIP in the Church is the micro-management style that dictates to those over whom one presides. The word from Salt Lake seems to be encouraging greater consensus within the various organizations.

Anyway, below is the entire 'skinny' on June 23. Looks like we need to convert more to the flock and then ignore them until they go away.

https://www.lds.org/callings/melchizede ... ang=engeng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[samizdat]

The meeting will be about "The Work of Salvation". We are going to have 100,000 missionaries out soon and this meeting will be broadcast from the Marriott Center at BYU with all the newly called mission presidents and (I think) temple presidents.

I'm sure the subject matter will have to do with missionary work, but perhaps a broader scope for "The Work of Salvation" and the blending of missionary work, family history work, and temple work. Since they all lead to the temple.

We may be given a little more meat on which to chew! Nevertheless, the ward councils are most likely going to be given some pretty strict guidlines of what they are to do. No more planning ice sculptures or 500 page handouts....but really getting down past the fluff to the truely basic ideals of the gospel. (Our area is way to prideful))

I also happen to think that some mention will be made about the last days and some mention as to what we should be preparing for.

Last year, Arizona had a state wide conference with every stake involved. Pres. Eyring declared that our area was a place of gathering and refuge from the coming calamities that would soon fill the earth.

You might need to get ready for a massive influx of refugees from California and from Mexico then

[samizdat]

There has been a pilot program in the Nordic nations to stem the tide of people getting hit with things they had no clue about until they found them on the net. I think they may extend this worldwide.

In fairness if more Christians actually read their Bibles they would have problems as well as most have no clue about the doctrines found there. Same with sheltered Mormons who suddenly find out about aspects of polygamy that the Church has tried to ignore for quite some time. Truth can shatter the faith of those who have built a sugar-coated image of their religion...any religion.

That was part of why my conversion to the Church lasted 16 months...

[Sheol27]

The meeting will be about "The Work of Salvation". We are going to have 100,000 missionaries out soon and this meeting will be broadcast from the Marriott Center at BYU with all the newly called mission presidents and (I think) temple presidents.

I'm sure the subject matter will have to do with missionary work, but perhaps a broader scope for "The Work of Salvation" and the blending of missionary work, family history work, and temple work. Since they all lead to the temple.

We may be given a little more meat on which to chew! Nevertheless, the ward councils are most likely going to be given some pretty strict guidlines of what they are to do. No more planning ice sculptures or 500 page handouts....but really getting down past the fluff to the truely basic ideals of the gospel. (Our area is way to prideful))

I also happen to think that some mention will be made about the last days and some mention as to what we should be preparing for.

Last year, Arizona had a state wide conference with every stake involved. Pres. Eyring declared that our area was a place of gathering and refuge from the coming calamities that would soon fill the earth.

You might need to get ready for a massive influx of refugees from California and from Mexico then

Yeah, won't that be the case then!

[Rose Garden]

Anyway, below is the entire 'skinny' on June 23. Looks like we need to convert more to the flock and then ignore them until they go away.

https://www.lds.org/callings/melchizede ... ang=engeng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks, BG. So it's just a broadcast that they've invited members to watch if they want to? Not really any special announcement or anything? That would explain why they never thought to bring it up in my ward.

[Sheol27]

Anyway, below is the entire 'skinny' on June 23. Looks like we need to convert more to the flock and then ignore them until they go away.

https://www.lds.org/callings/melchizede ... ang=engeng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks, BG. So it's just a broadcast that they've invited members to watch if they want to? Not really any special announcement or anything? That would explain why they never thought to bring it up in my ward.

That's a bummer if there isn't going to be an announcement....

[Rose Garden]

I know. And I was really looking forward to that recipe for funeral potatoes.

[bobhenstra]

I know. And I was really looking forward to that recipe for funeral potatoes.

I must admit, my wife made great funeral potatoes, but she was the only one in this whole wide world who did! She made them using tater tots-- except for the cheese, green onions and chopped peppers I have no idea what else, oh yeah, sour cream----I just remember what she sent me to the store to get---

Bobby

[buffalo_girl]

That's a bummer if there isn't going to be an announcement....

Well, they did 'announce' it in North Dakota by reading the First Presidency letter.

[Sheol27]

I guess all we have is rumors. Rumors of just a meeting and rumors of a big announcement as well. I guess we will just have to watch and see.

[wingsfan9]

Anyway, below is the entire 'skinny' on June 23. Looks like we need to convert more to the flock and then ignore them until they go away.

https://www.lds.org/callings/melchizede ... ang=engeng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks, BG. So it's just a broadcast that they've invited members to watch if they want to? Not really any special announcement or anything? That would explain why they never thought to bring it up in my ward.

That's a bummer if there isn't going to be an announcement....

If it makes you feel better we were told by a missionary that our mission president told the missionaries that this will be of the most important meetings in our dispensation. As far as some wards not reading the announcement, the church's mail system runs behind and there has not been much preparation time for this meeting. In our ward, we received a program about the Christmas devotional in January

[Sheol27]

If it makes you feel better we were told by a missionary that our mission president told the missionaries that this will be of the most important meetings in our dispensation. As far as some wards not reading the announcement, the church's mail system runs behind and there has not been much preparation time for this meeting. In our ward, we received a program about the Christmas devotional in January

Back to claims of grandeur!!! One of the greatest meetings of our dispensation! It's got to be up there then with the Organization of the Church and the meeting at Adam ondi Ahman. I'm excited all over again.

What's with all these basic official announcements with nothing hyped and multiple partial leaks pointing to fireworks about to explode? I'm not mocking anyone for what they have posted. We all are just repeating what we are hearing and trying to fit the puzzle back together but I say these things because it's like we are getting 2 complete different stories that don't align in hype.

[Rose Garden]

If it makes you feel better we were told by a missionary that our mission president told the missionaries that this will be of the most important meetings in our dispensation. As far as some wards not reading the announcement, the church's mail system runs behind and there has not been much preparation time for this meeting. In our ward, we received a program about the Christmas devotional in January

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[gkearney]

If it makes you feel better we were told by a missionary that our mission president told the missionaries that this will be of the most important meetings in our dispensation.

Which explains why there has been no word of this meeting sent to wards outside of the United States, right? Really over selling meetings like this does no one any good. Do this too often and people will not pay attention when we really need them to.

[ajax]

Over sell is one of the things the church is really good at.

[AussieOi]

Over sell is one of the things the church is really good at.

And we HeartSell (TM) it even better.

CTS- funeral potatoes? Too much NOM love, too much..