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Hello again.


I cannot stand how Glenn Beck has criticized and mocked Ron Paul, criticizes and mocks the evidence that 9/11 was a false flag operation, and supports the Bush acolyte Ted Cruz. There are many things that I do not like about Donald Trump, but the way Glenn mocks the objection to the cancellation of voting in the Denver primaries solidifies my belief that Beck truly is an actor. I was skeptical about him from early on, but now there is no doubt in my mind.

Essentially, Glenn Becks rise to meteoric popularity in early 2009 was all based on Alex Jones' research and content.

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Thanks for posting those, InfoWarrior82...definitely two video clips that anyone interested in this topic should see.



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dconrad000 wrote:Here is how I see it:

Controlled Opposition

From the standpoint of Rupert Murdock and his ilk -- who write GB's checks...it is called controlled opposition. They need a place for conservatives to tune in, where they can have some control. It does not hurt the secret combination that much to have GB talk about the constitution; government corruption; warning against socialism and communism; warning people that hard times are ahead and they should get prepared, etc., etc. Good conservatives already understand those things, anyway...and those are areas that conservatives can and do resonate with GB on.

Where they really get their $40 million dollars per year's worth with GB, however -- is to have him demonizing the 9/11 truth movement; and at critical junctures, when it makes a difference in elections -- to have true constitutionalists like Ron Paul and Debra Medina derailed. (He then of course, after the damage is done & it's too late -- always seems to come out and says I'm sorry, I was wrong.)

They have also certainly gotten their money's worth, as well with GB's promotion of George Bush & his policies (the entire time he was in office); beating the drums for the phony war on terror; pushing through the Patriot Acts I & II; pushing through the Bankster Bailout; promoting new taxes to pay for the Bankster Bail out...and of course only when the jig is up on all those things and it's too late, does GB then seem to always come out against those things...so that his conservative audience can forgive him and say he's growing, he's changing.

Whether GB is aware of it or not...whether he is sincere in the things that he does or not...he is being played like a fiddle...and I can assure you, that those cunning men who are paying out the $40 million per year feel as though they are certainly getting their money's worth.

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I used to be a big fan of Glenn Beck. He used to tell his listeners to do their own research and not simply take his word for things.

One day on his radio program a man called in who had been studying corruption as Glenn Beck encouraged his audience to do. The caller asked Mr. Beck a question about the Bilderburgs. He wanted to know Beck's opinion about them.

I remember anxiously waiting for his response. It was a worthwhile question. I was very surprised at Mr. Beck's reaction. Instead of seriously answering his question, Glenn and his other two associates made fun of the guy. He said things like, "Bilderburger is that like Build-a-bear?"
They made light of his question. I thought maybe they were just clowning around and would eventually get serious. Instead they went to commercial. When they came back on air they changed the subject.

I was stunned! This caller did exactly what Beck requested, which was to do one's own research. Instead of having a rational conversation with the man, he made fun of him and went to a commercial to avoid the subject.

I lost a mountain of respect for Glenn Beck. The way he treated that caller was reprehensible! Eventually I stopped listening to his radio program and watching his videos.

Since then I learned that 911 was a false flag. Beck refuses to talk about 911. He calls honest American who question 911 "Truthers" as if we are lepers or something. He supports the corrupt government if Israel and his praise for MLK is sickening. Dr. King was a prostitute chasing loser!

I personally don't think that Glenn Beck is interested in the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. He got kicked off of FOX when he did a story about the Federal Reserve.
He only talks about true stories that are comfortable. He is not interested in finding the real truth about the awful situation we are in.

That's my take on Glenn Beck for what it's worth.

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Robin Hood wrote:Can't we have a third choice?
While the offering of only two choices is a false dichotomy, three is still fallacious. One must sift a variety of sources, whether they cover many, only a few, or just one topic.

About ten years ago, I was prompted to check out GB. Thus was my foray into news. But months later, I was prompted to stop listening to GB. During one show, GB mentioned AJ, of whom I was not yet familiar. I was relieved at what AJ, as well as some of his co-hosts, offered compared to GB, excepting AJ's sensationalizing, exaggerating, and ranting. Thus was my foray into alt. media.

There may not be a single best source for all topics, but if I were to suggest one, although I have no interest in geopolitics, it would be James Corbett, that is, with the caveats including him being non-Christian and an anarchist; otherwise, his work is top-notch and prolific. I have never been prompted to stop listening to AJ, this was gradual after having discovered Corbett, as well as other sources.

Now, rather than pit two divergent sources against each other (e.g. GB or AJ?), if I were to put a different spin on this topic, it might be something like "What are your favorite news sources?" although such has been covered elsewhere.

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ParticleMan wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:Can't we have a third choice?
While the offering of only two choices is a false dichotomy, three is still fallacious. One must sift a variety of sources, whether they cover many, only a few, or just one topic.

About ten years ago, I was prompted to check out GB. Thus was my foray into news. But months later, I was prompted to stop listening to GB. During one show, GB mentioned AJ, of whom I was not yet familiar. I was relieved at what AJ, as well as some of his co-hosts, offered compared to GB, excepting AJ's sensationalizing, exaggerating, and ranting. Thus was my foray into alt. media.

There may not be a single best source for all topics, but if I were to suggest one, although I have no interest in geopolitics, it would be James Corbett, that is, with the caveats including him being non-Christian and an anarchist; otherwise, his work is top-notch and prolific. I have never been prompted to stop listening to AJ, this was gradual after having discovered Corbett, as well as other sources.

Now, rather than pit two divergent sources against each other (e.g. GB or AJ?), if I were to put a different spin on this topic, it might be something like "What are your favorite news sources?" although such has been covered elsewhere.
Not really a false dichotomy. The implied question is "whom do you prefer". Neither is an appropriate answer.

My stance is that I visit multiple sources, including Corbett. I think it helps to view these sources as populating the 'information terrain' or topography, where you sample what you regard as legitimate or perhaps worthy of attention and consideration and sidelining or ignoring and even disputing the rest.

You discover that any source you access has its certain weakness and biases that you may think are off base. That doesn't mean you throw them out with the bath. You still may consider what they have to say and their evidence or reasoning for doing so. All the while, you are trying to weigh and assess their information in an attempt to build up a viable world-view.

Rense is my main go-to source, but I can't stand how he favors mini-nukes or energy beam weaponry for what brought down the WTC buildings, to the exclusion of incendiary/explosives; and some of his sources are very questionable, in my view. And I don't sop up all his UFO links. What I like about him, is he's kicking out hundreds of links covering multiple issues, sometimes in a given day. However, its really hard to wade through them all.

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I'm team AJ, but if I listen him on my phone, my phone starts acting squirrely.

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Obiwan wrote:Glenn Beck all the way..... Alex Jones lies and misrepresents issues and conservatives all the time, Glenn doesn't.
Alex Jones believes all kinds of completely false conspiracy theory's, and he's just a mean ugly man.
Alex Jones does some good things, but it's like having a father who makes good money but then neglects his family and beats his kids and wife.

Glenn Beck is sincere, kind, balanced, respectable, doesn't bear false witness of others, etc.

No comparison between the two.

BTW.... For those of you who will want to say Alex Jones doesn't lie and misrepresent; well, I'm a conservative, and I can very well tell when he's lying and misrepresenting my beliefs and other conservatives. Just like as a mormon, I know when anti-mormons are lying about LDS beliefs and history. I know what we believe, I know our history. Not only that, but I know anti-mormon claims. Likewise, I know Alex Jones claims, and he makes me sick!
what are your replies to those who say things about our history? can you give an example?

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I like Alex Jones and especially his guests like someone mentioned earlier in the thread. what I dont like is when he start going all crazy psycho.. when he doesn't do that I enjoy what he has found and learned thru his investigative journalism.

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Robin Hood asked about a third choice. Joel Skousen is the man I listen to the most. I like Alex Jones, but he rambles too much. I don't have the time to listen to Alex Jones. Joel Skousen is brief and to the point.

I have learned a lot from Brother Skousen! His heart is in the right place and he sees the big picture. I questioned a few things he said in the past, but later realized that he was right. He may not produce the volume of information as Jones or Beck, but his information is solid.

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I like Joel Skousen, too...have followed his work for many, many years. He's not always right about everything, but I would say that he definitely is one of the world's foremost experts on international affairs. I appreciate the fact that Alex Jones has him on regularly. Their views of what's going on in the world are complimentary to each other. Alex's presentation is a little hard to take at times but I forgive him for that. He has built a formidable organization over the years and has Infowars in excellent hands with a great staff, including fine, knowledgeable, patriotic men like David Knight and others. I find it handy to be able to go to Infowars.com and quickly scan the headlines. I also like to see what is trending at Drudge, who I also think is doing a tremendous amount of good by covering a lot of news that the mainstream press won't cover -- and Drudge's audience has grown to be far, far wider than the dwindling, state-sponsored, main-stream-press.

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If trump would lose by a small margin then that could be the final nail in the coffin of Beck's media operation. He should wash his face and join the fight against Hillary.

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Joel wrote:

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Seems I already watched Alex Jones, I laughed at this one
#Istandforthings
Being a nerd with aspergers I never could gel with the Christian right, too much feeling and belief and not enough boring facts and statistics for my liking.
I think with both sides the farther into it you go the more feeling comes in.
My observation.

And why is "people of colour" okay but "coloured person" bad?
It's the exact same thing just slightly worded differently.

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Jones?
Beck?
I don't really rate either of them to be fair.
Joel Skousen does look a little uncomfortable with Jones sometimes.
You can almost see him wince.

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If the question is limited to "Do you listen more to Alex Jones or Glenn Beck?" I'd have to say no, because I don't know that I listen to one or the other more. It's pretty small for both.

People whose articles I do often read all the way through are John Stossel, George Will, Juan Williams, and Charles Krauthammer. Radio or TV driven personalities often go too far into wanting to prove they're correct rather than present raw information. Almost no one gives an unbiased report, but the guys who print as much (or more) as they broadcast are less likely to pander to their target audience for ratings. If AJ or GB find something contrary to their point of view (or what they've claimed) I doubt they'll broadcast it.

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Mark wrote:Indeed. I spoke to Joel a number of years ago and he wasnt bashful in saying that the leadership of the church were not aware of the many secret combinations in govt. because they had not studied their tactics like he had. I detected an element of pride in his boasting. I liked Cleon much better than his nephew. Personally I dont trust Jones as far as I could throw him. He has done way to many questionable low budget stunts to merit any real trust.
Do you recall what he specifically said? If he said "church leadership", which can be taken to mean the GAs, mission presidencies, and stake presidents, then I can agree. I don't think many of them are necessarily aware of the true extent of conspiracies in our nation. However, I don't think the apostles or the first presidency are in the dark about what is going on. It may be true that their knowledge of conspiracies in government is limited compared to someone who has spent his career researching it, but it is very unlikely they have a passive attitude towards it like many members. They may also have received revelation, individually or as a group, concerning these matters. Just my opinion, but I doubt the men called to be prophets, seers, and revelators, who are finely tuned into the spirit and governing the Lord's church, would be ignorant of modern secret combinations.

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Sasquatch wrote:
Mark wrote:Indeed. I spoke to Joel a number of years ago and he wasnt bashful in saying that the leadership of the church were not aware of the many secret combinations in govt. because they had not studied their tactics like he had. I detected an element of pride in his boasting. I liked Cleon much better than his nephew. Personally I dont trust Jones as far as I could throw him. He has done way to many questionable low budget stunts to merit any real trust.
Do you recall what he specifically said? If he said "church leadership", which can be taken to mean the GAs, mission presidencies, and stake presidents, then I can agree. I don't think many of them are necessarily aware of the true extent of conspiracies in our nation. However, I don't think the apostles or the first presidency are in the dark about what is going on. It may be true that their knowledge of conspiracies in government is limited compared to someone who has spent his career researching it, but it is very unlikely they have a passive attitude towards it like many members. They may also have received revelation, individually or as a group, concerning these matters. Just my opinion, but I doubt the men called to be prophets, seers, and revelators, who are finely tuned into the spirit and governing the Lord's church, would be ignorant of modern secret combinations.

Call and ask him yourself. I think when he referenced "the Brethren" to me he was referring to the Prophet on down. He most likely still believes as he did. Unless his attitudes have changed. I doubt they have. He thinks he has it all figured out..

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