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"In January, political prisoner Pete Santilli called out the misconduct of the Bureau of Land Management under the direction of Daniel P. Love at Bundy Ranch in 2014. That came just one day after government prosecutors sought to cover up the behavior of BLM agents and the unconstitutionality of the BLM in the Bundy Ranch trials. Following the release of a report from the Inspector General, which documents the misconduct of what is probably the government’s star witness in the case, BLM agent Daniel P. Love, a flurry of motions were filed by the defendants on Thursday.

Guerilla Media Network’s Deb Jordan posted to her Facebook on the events that took place in Nevada on Thursday.

Within the past hour or so, Cliven filed a motion in limine regarding ‘Longbow Productions’ with declaration by Brand Thornton, and a response to the government’s motion in limine filed last week.
Also, Steven Stewart just filed a motion to dismiss on grounds that the government has just been caught covering up info regarding its star witness Dan Love.
Finally, a few minutes ago, Ryan Payne filed another motion to dismiss regarding the Dan Love revelations.

If something doesn’t derail soon, the trials will begin and quite possibly this could be the biggest exposure of the overreach of the central government in history in a court of law. Keep in mind too that many families are traveling to Nevada and a house has been set up to care for them and their children during the trials. If you can help, here’s the information to do so. Thank you in advance.

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Are these motions open to public view? Or can someone provide a summary of what is happening? And what was meant by a derailment? My mind doesn't wrap around this stuff as well as others. However, I hope and pray the Bundy's are acquitted of all charges.

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The documents are at the link Elizabeth provided:
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Toto wrote:The documents are at the link Elizabeth provided:
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thanx

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"The Liberal, anti-American, anti-constitutional media is attempting to write the narrative regarding those who go on trial Monday, by claiming they are "gunmen and followers." We're here to set the record straight as trials begin on Monday in the wake of the government's key witness being reported for misconduct.
The Associate Press reports:
A federal jury in Nevada is about to be picked to decide whether a tense standoff pitting armed ranchers and rangers against federal agents over a herd of cattle in a dry river bed amounted to a peaceful expression of free speech and weapon rights, or an insurrection against the U.S. government.

Trial begins Monday in Las Vegas for six men — the first of a trio of proceedings for 17 defendants that will later include Nevada cattleman Cliven Bundy, four of his adult sons and seven other men. Each is facing the equivalent of the rest of his life in prison for the confrontation nearly three years ago.
The courtroom showdown is the latest battle over Western federal land policy dating to the Sagebrush Rebellion in Nevada more than 40 years ago. A jury in Oregon in October acquitted seven people, including two Bundy brothers, of federal conspiracy and weapon charges in an occupation of a federal wildlife refuge.
The six who begin their trials on Monday are:

Scott Drexler
Todd Engel
Eric Parker
Steven Stewart
Gregory Burleson
Richard Lovelein
"They're not the Bundys," said Todd Leventhal, attorney for defendant Orville Scott Drexler. "But realistically, this is a Bundy case. The outcome of this trial affects the other two."Everything about this is a Bundy case because everyone facing trumped up charges in Nevada were taking a stand against federal tyranny in 2014 and seeking to protect the lives of the Bundys.

Among the charges these men face are conspiracy, firearm offenses and assault on a federal officer. The penalties for each man exceed more than 100 years in prison.
Each man is accused of bringing guns to the ranch in 2014. Fine, where is the crime in that? Are the ones saying they cannot bring guns there not the real criminals in this matter, as they are diametrically opposed to that whole "shall not be infringed" element of the Second Amendment?
From a previous discussion with political prisoner Pete Santilli, the government's own indictment against these men bear testimony from an FBI agent that no firearms offense took place. In fact, how can there be a firearms offense when our own Constitution states quite clearly that these men were well within their rights to "keep and bear arms"? Furthermore, that same Second Amendment speaks about a well-regulated militia that is necessary to secure a free state. Nevada is far from free when you look at the tyranny imposed on it by the Bureau of Land Management.
The bogus charges these men face are almost identical to the ones that Santilli had dismissed in Oregon and the Bundy Brothers and others were acquitted of in 2016. Santilli told me that God delivered them in Oregon and that he expects Him to deliver them in Nevada with the weight of the evidence clearly in the favour of the defendants.
Keep in mind that the same government going after law-abiding patriots who stood against tyranny have tried to protect the tyrants from scrutiny in this case.
Another round of men will come up for trial in about 30 days, according to Santilli."

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Does anyone know if Trump knows what is going on in Nevada? Would he pardon the seven defendants, or overturn a guilty conviction? Has anyone tried to contact Trump in and for this matter? Will there be an squawking by the militias that helped the Bundy's in the first place.
In the Declaration of Independence "we the people" have a right and a duty to go against the Government due to tyrannical actions on their part against the populace or situations like what took place in Nevada. The BLM is a tyrannical group that is usurping power they don't have granted to them in a relentless push to take land from people. This includes what took place here in Oregon in and around Burns.

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It is indeed disappointing that Donald Trump has not intervened in this matter. He did mention the situation at some stage during his campaign. But we find now that Utah lands have also been taken.

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Congressman Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) has withdrawn legislation that would have upheld his oath of office and the Constitution by returning land back to the people from the usurpation of the central governmentand the Bureau of Land Management, apparently under pressure from “groups” he “supports” believing that it “sends the wrong message.”
Chaffetz’s legislation was introduced in January and called on the Department of Interior to either dispose of or sell 3.3 million acres of “public lands.”
However, it appears that he is facing pressure from conservationist groups who claim the legislation “sends the wrong message.”
“I’m a proud gun owner, hunter and love our public lands,” Chaffetz posted. “The bill would have disposed of small parcels of lands Pres. Clinton identified as serving no public purpose but groups I support and care about fear it sends the wrong message.”According to The Washington Post, “The Disposal of Excess Federal Lands Act, which would have shifted federal holdings to state governments in Utah, Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon and Wyoming, prompted an outcry among hunters and anglers’ groups. Introduced three weeks after House Republicans enacted a rule change to make it easier to sell off federal land, the measure prompted two separate rallies in Santa Fe, N.M., and Helena, Mont., this week that drew hundreds of people opposed to the measure.”

The Salt Lake Tribune reports:
The legislation details swaths of Bureau of Land Management acreage over 10 Western states cited in a 1997 Clinton administration report as not otherwise set aside for oil, gas or mineral extraction, listed for wilderness protection or designated for Native American groups. That includes 132,931 acres in Utah.
The findings, though, note that some of the lands identified may have other conflicts, including disposal costs, the existence of cultural resources or hazardous conditions. The study was requested by Congress at the time as part of an exchange plan to restore the Florida Everglades.
Chaffetz has introduced the bill every year since 2010, but it has never passed or gone forward to a committee hearing. The legislation accords with other Republican efforts in Utah to take control public lands, which account for about two-thirds of the state’s area.
“While there are national treasures worthy of federal protection, there are lands that should be returned to private ownership,” Chaffetz said in 2011.
The move to drop the legislation, though, was lauded by public lands conservation groups.
Chris Saeger, director of Western Values Project, said Chaffetz deserves thanks for withdrawing the “irresponsible bill.”
“If he values public lands enough to abandon this plan,” Saeger said in a prepared statement, “he should refrain from interfering with the land protected by President Obama’s Bears Ears monument.”
That step is not likely. Chaffetz has been a staunch opponent of the December monument designation in San Juan County, calling it “a slap in the face to the people of Utah.”

Of course, it’s a slap in the face of the people of Utah Congressman! However, it’s a bigger slap in the face that the central government “owns” a ton of land it never acquired per the Constitution, through state legislatures! Yet, you claim your legislation “sends the wrong message.” However, you never tell us what that message is. Is it that the DC government should not own or manage that land? That is the right message, Sir! Is it that some people who support you want the Constitution violated concerning “public land,” something that the Constitution clearly limits?
From what I can see, so-called “conservatives” are ok with this kind of lawlessness when it benefits them. Alex Robinson of Outdoor Life elaborated on conservationists and hunting groups having concerns that selling off small portions of land to private interests could cut off public access to national forests for hunter or campers.
Well, again, where is that in the Constitution, friends? If you want land to hunt on, get a friend that has the land and ask to hunt, or buy property!
I know what some are saying, “Tim, it’s not that simple.” Oh yes, it is. It’s as simple as the central government coming in and in one quick swoop usurping constitutional authority, growing government to enforce that usurpation and even threatening and imprisoning those who would seek to correct the injustice.
Thanks for nothing on this one Congressman Chaffetz."

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Elizabeth wrote:It is indeed disappointing that Donald Trump has not intervened in this matter. He did mention the situation at some stage during his campaign. But we find now that Utah lands have also been taken.

http://sonsoflibertymedia.com/rep-jason ... g-message/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Congressman Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) has withdrawn legislation that would have upheld his oath of office and the Constitution by returning land back to the people from the usurpation of the central governmentand the Bureau of Land Management, apparently under pressure from “groups” he “supports” believing that it “sends the wrong message.”
Chaffetz’s legislation was introduced in January and called on the Department of Interior to either dispose of or sell 3.3 million acres of “public lands.”
However, it appears that he is facing pressure from conservationist groups who claim the legislation “sends the wrong message.”
“I’m a proud gun owner, hunter and love our public lands,” Chaffetz posted. “The bill would have disposed of small parcels of lands Pres. Clinton identified as serving no public purpose but groups I support and care about fear it sends the wrong message.”According to The Washington Post, “The Disposal of Excess Federal Lands Act, which would have shifted federal holdings to state governments in Utah, Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon and Wyoming, prompted an outcry among hunters and anglers’ groups. Introduced three weeks after House Republicans enacted a rule change to make it easier to sell off federal land, the measure prompted two separate rallies in Santa Fe, N.M., and Helena, Mont., this week that drew hundreds of people opposed to the measure.”

The Salt Lake Tribune reports:
The legislation details swaths of Bureau of Land Management acreage over 10 Western states cited in a 1997 Clinton administration report as not otherwise set aside for oil, gas or mineral extraction, listed for wilderness protection or designated for Native American groups. That includes 132,931 acres in Utah.
The findings, though, note that some of the lands identified may have other conflicts, including disposal costs, the existence of cultural resources or hazardous conditions. The study was requested by Congress at the time as part of an exchange plan to restore the Florida Everglades.
Chaffetz has introduced the bill every year since 2010, but it has never passed or gone forward to a committee hearing. The legislation accords with other Republican efforts in Utah to take control public lands, which account for about two-thirds of the state’s area.
“While there are national treasures worthy of federal protection, there are lands that should be returned to private ownership,” Chaffetz said in 2011.
The move to drop the legislation, though, was lauded by public lands conservation groups.
Chris Saeger, director of Western Values Project, said Chaffetz deserves thanks for withdrawing the “irresponsible bill.”
“If he values public lands enough to abandon this plan,” Saeger said in a prepared statement, “he should refrain from interfering with the land protected by President Obama’s Bears Ears monument.”
That step is not likely. Chaffetz has been a staunch opponent of the December monument designation in San Juan County, calling it “a slap in the face to the people of Utah.”

Of course, it’s a slap in the face of the people of Utah Congressman! However, it’s a bigger slap in the face that the central government “owns” a ton of land it never acquired per the Constitution, through state legislatures! Yet, you claim your legislation “sends the wrong message.” However, you never tell us what that message is. Is it that the DC government should not own or manage that land? That is the right message, Sir! Is it that some people who support you want the Constitution violated concerning “public land,” something that the Constitution clearly limits?
From what I can see, so-called “conservatives” are ok with this kind of lawlessness when it benefits them. Alex Robinson of Outdoor Life elaborated on conservationists and hunting groups having concerns that selling off small portions of land to private interests could cut off public access to national forests for hunter or campers.
Well, again, where is that in the Constitution, friends? If you want land to hunt on, get a friend that has the land and ask to hunt, or buy property!
I know what some are saying, “Tim, it’s not that simple.” Oh yes, it is. It’s as simple as the central government coming in and in one quick swoop usurping constitutional authority, growing government to enforce that usurpation and even threatening and imprisoning those who would seek to correct the injustice.
Thanks for nothing on this one Congressman Chaffetz."
Then more pressure should be placed on Chaffetz by a lot more people. And Trump needs to be contacted and asked to correct the problem. He did say he would give power back to the people. It would be something to see Trump walk right into the courthouse and set things right there in NV. That's if he'll uphold his own oath of office. He needs to learn what Article 1, Section 8, clause 17 means.
This is the basic reason the Bundy's should win by. Landgrabbing is illegal, it is tyrannical and it is NOT Constitutional

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"As the trials of men arrested over the Bundy Ranch siege begins in Nevada, it’s coming out now that the FBI used agents posing as a “fake film company” to obtain evidence to be used against them in court. However, that is quickly becoming an ethics scandal which may demonstrate just how corrupt the bureau has become and may hurt their case against the Bundys and their supporters, who are also being held as political prisoners.
The Guardian reports:
FBI agents posed as journalists and tricked the Bundy ranching family and their supporters into giving on-camera interviews that prosecutors may use in upcoming trials, according to defense attorneys and court records.
The FBI’s “fake film production company” and “wide-reaching deceptive undercover operation”, as lawyers described it in a court filing, is one of multiple controversies that some say could derail the government’s prosecution of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, his four sons and a dozen of their followers. A recent Bureau of Land Management (BLM) ethics scandal involving tickets for the popular Burning Man festival could further hinder prosecutors in the high-profile trial, which began this week in Las Vegas federal court.
Attorneys for Cliven and defendant Gregory Burleson have alleged that the FBI created a bogus film company called Longbow Productions, tricking many defendants into making “boastful, false and potentially incriminating statements” in interviews. Masquerading as journalists, agents paid defendants for their testimony, and in Burleson’s case, gave him alcohol with the intent of extracting incriminating admissions, according to defense attorneys.
In one filing, prosecutors admitted that FBI agents “acting in an undercover capacity as independent documentary filmmakers” interviewed Burleson, though the full extent of the Longbow operation remains unclear.
Ammon Bundy’s attorney, Daniel Hill said, “When the jury finds out this is a tactic they used, none of them will think it’s okay. It shows the lows the government was willing to go to.”
This kind of tactic was used in Oregon and didn’t turn out too well for the prosecutors in that case either. According to one juror, hearing about paid FBI informants did not help the government’s case against the Bundys there nor the other prisoners who were acquitted or had their charges dismissed.
“The jury did not like hearing there were undercover agents,” said Lisa Bundy, Ammon’s wife. “They’re using yours and my tax dollars to hurt other Americans.”
“The government is going to an extreme when they claim to be the free press and are trying to manipulate you to say things,” said Bret Whipple, Cliven Bundy’s attorney.
Gregg Leslie, legal defense director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, added that it has a serious effect on reporting if people believe that a reporter could be an informant or agent of the government.
“If you think every reporter you meet could be an agent of law enforcement, it really has an immediate impact on any journalist coming to try and cover that story,” he said.
This is nothing new. In October 2016, I reported on the fact that FBI agents were impersonating journalists, and not journalists from a made up film company. No, they were impersonating the Associated Press, and they were doing so without their knowledge. This is criminal behavior.
In a report released in September 2016, the Inspector General wrote:
Over the course of 1 week in June 2007, a 15-year old high school student emailed a series of bomb threats to administrators and staff at Timberline High School, near Seattle, Washington. The threats caused daily school evacuations. The individual used “proxy servers” to e-mail the bomb threats in order to hide his location. When local law enforcement officials were unable to identify or locate the individual, they requested assistance from a cybercrime task force supervised by the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s (FBI) Seattle Field Division.
FBI agents on the task force, working with FBI technology and behavioral experts at Headquarters (FBIHQ), developed a plan to surreptitiously insert a computer program into the individual’s computer that would identify his location. An FBI undercover agent posed as an editor for the Associated Press (AP) and attempted to contact the individual through e-mail. During subsequent online communications, the undercover agent sent the individual links to a fake news article and photographs that had the computer program concealed within them. The individual activated the computer program when he clicked on the link to the photographs, thereby revealing his location to the FBI. FBI and local law enforcement agents subsequently arrested the individual and he confessed to emailing the bomb threats.
The FBI did not publicize the assistance its agents provided local law enforcement. However, on July 18, 2007, 2 days after the individual pleaded guilty, an online technology news website published an article that detailed the method by which the FBI identified the individual. Seven years later, in October 2014, The Seattle Times published an article that disclosed the fact that an FBI employee posed as a member of the news media when it contacted and then identified the subject as the author of the bomb threats. Later that same month the AP sent a letter to then-Attorney General Eric Holder protesting the FBI’s impersonation of a member of the news media in connection with the FBI’s investigation of the bomb threats. In addition, several newspapers wrote articles questioning the tactics the FBI used to identify and arrest the subject who sent the threats.
“The Associated Press is deeply disappointed by the Inspector General’s findings, which effectively condone the FBI’s impersonation of an AP journalist in 2007,” Associated Press Vice President Paul Colford said in a statement. “Such action compromises the ability of a free press to gather the news safely and effectively and raises serious constitutional concerns.”
Now that we know that the government’s key witness in the case, BLM agent Daniel P. Love, has been found guilty of misconduct in a report by the Inspector General and we have questionable ethics used by the FBI, does anyone actually think the government has any intention on giving these men a fair trial?"

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Elizabeth wrote:http://constitution.com/shock-news-fbi- ... anch-case/

"As the trials of men arrested over the Bundy Ranch siege begins in Nevada, it’s coming out now that the FBI used agents posing as a “fake film company” to obtain evidence to be used against them in court. However, that is quickly becoming an ethics scandal which may demonstrate just how corrupt the bureau has become and may hurt their case against the Bundys and their supporters, who are also being held as political prisoners.
The Guardian reports:
FBI agents posed as journalists and tricked the Bundy ranching family and their supporters into giving on-camera interviews that prosecutors may use in upcoming trials, according to defense attorneys and court records.
The FBI’s “fake film production company” and “wide-reaching deceptive undercover operation”, as lawyers described it in a court filing, is one of multiple controversies that some say could derail the government’s prosecution of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, his four sons and a dozen of their followers. A recent Bureau of Land Management (BLM) ethics scandal involving tickets for the popular Burning Man festival could further hinder prosecutors in the high-profile trial, which began this week in Las Vegas federal court.
Attorneys for Cliven and defendant Gregory Burleson have alleged that the FBI created a bogus film company called Longbow Productions, tricking many defendants into making “boastful, false and potentially incriminating statements” in interviews. Masquerading as journalists, agents paid defendants for their testimony, and in Burleson’s case, gave him alcohol with the intent of extracting incriminating admissions, according to defense attorneys.
In one filing, prosecutors admitted that FBI agents “acting in an undercover capacity as independent documentary filmmakers” interviewed Burleson, though the full extent of the Longbow operation remains unclear.
Ammon Bundy’s attorney, Daniel Hill said, “When the jury finds out this is a tactic they used, none of them will think it’s okay. It shows the lows the government was willing to go to.”
This kind of tactic was used in Oregon and didn’t turn out too well for the prosecutors in that case either. According to one juror, hearing about paid FBI informants did not help the government’s case against the Bundys there nor the other prisoners who were acquitted or had their charges dismissed.
“The jury did not like hearing there were undercover agents,” said Lisa Bundy, Ammon’s wife. “They’re using yours and my tax dollars to hurt other Americans.”
“The government is going to an extreme when they claim to be the free press and are trying to manipulate you to say things,” said Bret Whipple, Cliven Bundy’s attorney.
Gregg Leslie, legal defense director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, added that it has a serious effect on reporting if people believe that a reporter could be an informant or agent of the government.
“If you think every reporter you meet could be an agent of law enforcement, it really has an immediate impact on any journalist coming to try and cover that story,” he said.
This is nothing new. In October 2016, I reported on the fact that FBI agents were impersonating journalists, and not journalists from a made up film company. No, they were impersonating the Associated Press, and they were doing so without their knowledge. This is criminal behavior.
In a report released in September 2016, the Inspector General wrote:
Over the course of 1 week in June 2007, a 15-year old high school student emailed a series of bomb threats to administrators and staff at Timberline High School, near Seattle, Washington. The threats caused daily school evacuations. The individual used “proxy servers” to e-mail the bomb threats in order to hide his location. When local law enforcement officials were unable to identify or locate the individual, they requested assistance from a cybercrime task force supervised by the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s (FBI) Seattle Field Division.
FBI agents on the task force, working with FBI technology and behavioral experts at Headquarters (FBIHQ), developed a plan to surreptitiously insert a computer program into the individual’s computer that would identify his location. An FBI undercover agent posed as an editor for the Associated Press (AP) and attempted to contact the individual through e-mail. During subsequent online communications, the undercover agent sent the individual links to a fake news article and photographs that had the computer program concealed within them. The individual activated the computer program when he clicked on the link to the photographs, thereby revealing his location to the FBI. FBI and local law enforcement agents subsequently arrested the individual and he confessed to emailing the bomb threats.
The FBI did not publicize the assistance its agents provided local law enforcement. However, on July 18, 2007, 2 days after the individual pleaded guilty, an online technology news website published an article that detailed the method by which the FBI identified the individual. Seven years later, in October 2014, The Seattle Times published an article that disclosed the fact that an FBI employee posed as a member of the news media when it contacted and then identified the subject as the author of the bomb threats. Later that same month the AP sent a letter to then-Attorney General Eric Holder protesting the FBI’s impersonation of a member of the news media in connection with the FBI’s investigation of the bomb threats. In addition, several newspapers wrote articles questioning the tactics the FBI used to identify and arrest the subject who sent the threats.
“The Associated Press is deeply disappointed by the Inspector General’s findings, which effectively condone the FBI’s impersonation of an AP journalist in 2007,” Associated Press Vice President Paul Colford said in a statement. “Such action compromises the ability of a free press to gather the news safely and effectively and raises serious constitutional concerns.”
Now that we know that the government’s key witness in the case, BLM agent Daniel P. Love, has been found guilty of misconduct in a report by the Inspector General and we have questionable ethics used by the FBI, does anyone actually think the government has any intention on giving these men a fair trial?"
Isn't this what Congressmen are for? If thousands of people contacted their congress person, they would have to check things out and make these judges and lawyers and police enforcement accountable to the Constitution and their oath of office. Also, Article 1, Section 8. Claus 17 in the Constitution. This alone should get Bundy's off.

Also, is Daniel Hill, Ammon's attorney, a Constitutional Attorney?

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freedomforall wrote:
Elizabeth wrote:http://constitution.com/shock-news-fbi- ... anch-case/

"As the trials of men arrested over the Bundy Ranch siege begins in Nevada, it’s coming out now that the FBI used agents posing as a “fake film company” to obtain evidence to be used against them in court. However, that is quickly becoming an ethics scandal which may demonstrate just how corrupt the bureau has become and may hurt their case against the Bundys and their supporters, who are also being held as political prisoners.
The Guardian reports:
FBI agents posed as journalists and tricked the Bundy ranching family and their supporters into giving on-camera interviews that prosecutors may use in upcoming trials, according to defense attorneys and court records.
The FBI’s “fake film production company” and “wide-reaching deceptive undercover operation”, as lawyers described it in a court filing, is one of multiple controversies that some say could derail the government’s prosecution of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, his four sons and a dozen of their followers. A recent Bureau of Land Management (BLM) ethics scandal involving tickets for the popular Burning Man festival could further hinder prosecutors in the high-profile trial, which began this week in Las Vegas federal court.
Attorneys for Cliven and defendant Gregory Burleson have alleged that the FBI created a bogus film company called Longbow Productions, tricking many defendants into making “boastful, false and potentially incriminating statements” in interviews. Masquerading as journalists, agents paid defendants for their testimony, and in Burleson’s case, gave him alcohol with the intent of extracting incriminating admissions, according to defense attorneys.
In one filing, prosecutors admitted that FBI agents “acting in an undercover capacity as independent documentary filmmakers” interviewed Burleson, though the full extent of the Longbow operation remains unclear.
Ammon Bundy’s attorney, Daniel Hill said, “When the jury finds out this is a tactic they used, none of them will think it’s okay. It shows the lows the government was willing to go to.”
This kind of tactic was used in Oregon and didn’t turn out too well for the prosecutors in that case either. According to one juror, hearing about paid FBI informants did not help the government’s case against the Bundys there nor the other prisoners who were acquitted or had their charges dismissed.
“The jury did not like hearing there were undercover agents,” said Lisa Bundy, Ammon’s wife. “They’re using yours and my tax dollars to hurt other Americans.”
“The government is going to an extreme when they claim to be the free press and are trying to manipulate you to say things,” said Bret Whipple, Cliven Bundy’s attorney.
Gregg Leslie, legal defense director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, added that it has a serious effect on reporting if people believe that a reporter could be an informant or agent of the government.
“If you think every reporter you meet could be an agent of law enforcement, it really has an immediate impact on any journalist coming to try and cover that story,” he said.
This is nothing new. In October 2016, I reported on the fact that FBI agents were impersonating journalists, and not journalists from a made up film company. No, they were impersonating the Associated Press, and they were doing so without their knowledge. This is criminal behavior.
In a report released in September 2016, the Inspector General wrote:
Over the course of 1 week in June 2007, a 15-year old high school student emailed a series of bomb threats to administrators and staff at Timberline High School, near Seattle, Washington. The threats caused daily school evacuations. The individual used “proxy servers” to e-mail the bomb threats in order to hide his location. When local law enforcement officials were unable to identify or locate the individual, they requested assistance from a cybercrime task force supervised by the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s (FBI) Seattle Field Division.
FBI agents on the task force, working with FBI technology and behavioral experts at Headquarters (FBIHQ), developed a plan to surreptitiously insert a computer program into the individual’s computer that would identify his location. An FBI undercover agent posed as an editor for the Associated Press (AP) and attempted to contact the individual through e-mail. During subsequent online communications, the undercover agent sent the individual links to a fake news article and photographs that had the computer program concealed within them. The individual activated the computer program when he clicked on the link to the photographs, thereby revealing his location to the FBI. FBI and local law enforcement agents subsequently arrested the individual and he confessed to emailing the bomb threats.
The FBI did not publicize the assistance its agents provided local law enforcement. However, on July 18, 2007, 2 days after the individual pleaded guilty, an online technology news website published an article that detailed the method by which the FBI identified the individual. Seven years later, in October 2014, The Seattle Times published an article that disclosed the fact that an FBI employee posed as a member of the news media when it contacted and then identified the subject as the author of the bomb threats. Later that same month the AP sent a letter to then-Attorney General Eric Holder protesting the FBI’s impersonation of a member of the news media in connection with the FBI’s investigation of the bomb threats. In addition, several newspapers wrote articles questioning the tactics the FBI used to identify and arrest the subject who sent the threats.
“The Associated Press is deeply disappointed by the Inspector General’s findings, which effectively condone the FBI’s impersonation of an AP journalist in 2007,” Associated Press Vice President Paul Colford said in a statement. “Such action compromises the ability of a free press to gather the news safely and effectively and raises serious constitutional concerns.”
Now that we know that the government’s key witness in the case, BLM agent Daniel P. Love, has been found guilty of misconduct in a report by the Inspector General and we have questionable ethics used by the FBI, does anyone actually think the government has any intention on giving these men a fair trial?"
Isn't this what Congressmen are for? If thousands of people contacted their congress person, they would have to check things out and make these judges and lawyers and police enforcement accountable to the Constitution and their oath of office. Also, Article 1, Section 8. Claus 17 in the Constitution. This alone should get Bundy's off.

Also, is Daniel Hill, Ammon's attorney, a Constitutional Attorney?
When you say "Constitution", you mean the document with a literal interpretation of its contents.

When our modern lawyers, judges, politicians, reporters, etc. say constitution, they mean the library of case law and judicial rulings that may have no relationship to the actual document.

Hence, whatever the government wants to do can be found to be constitutional or unconstitutional as the need arises. 200+ years of court rulings can be interpreted any way you want.

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freedomforall wrote:
Elizabeth wrote:http://constitution.com/shock-news-fbi- ... anch-case/

"As the trials of men arrested over the Bundy Ranch siege begins in Nevada, it’s coming out now that the FBI used agents posing as a “fake film company” to obtain evidence to be used against them in court. However, that is quickly becoming an ethics scandal which may demonstrate just how corrupt the bureau has become and may hurt their case against the Bundys and their supporters, who are also being held as political prisoners.
The Guardian reports:
FBI agents posed as journalists and tricked the Bundy ranching family and their supporters into giving on-camera interviews that prosecutors may use in upcoming trials, according to defense attorneys and court records.
The FBI’s “fake film production company” and “wide-reaching deceptive undercover operation”, as lawyers described it in a court filing, is one of multiple controversies that some say could derail the government’s prosecution of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, his four sons and a dozen of their followers. A recent Bureau of Land Management (BLM) ethics scandal involving tickets for the popular Burning Man festival could further hinder prosecutors in the high-profile trial, which began this week in Las Vegas federal court.
Attorneys for Cliven and defendant Gregory Burleson have alleged that the FBI created a bogus film company called Longbow Productions, tricking many defendants into making “boastful, false and potentially incriminating statements” in interviews. Masquerading as journalists, agents paid defendants for their testimony, and in Burleson’s case, gave him alcohol with the intent of extracting incriminating admissions, according to defense attorneys.
In one filing, prosecutors admitted that FBI agents “acting in an undercover capacity as independent documentary filmmakers” interviewed Burleson, though the full extent of the Longbow operation remains unclear.
Ammon Bundy’s attorney, Daniel Hill said, “When the jury finds out this is a tactic they used, none of them will think it’s okay. It shows the lows the government was willing to go to.”
This kind of tactic was used in Oregon and didn’t turn out too well for the prosecutors in that case either. According to one juror, hearing about paid FBI informants did not help the government’s case against the Bundys there nor the other prisoners who were acquitted or had their charges dismissed.
“The jury did not like hearing there were undercover agents,” said Lisa Bundy, Ammon’s wife. “They’re using yours and my tax dollars to hurt other Americans.”
“The government is going to an extreme when they claim to be the free press and are trying to manipulate you to say things,” said Bret Whipple, Cliven Bundy’s attorney.
Gregg Leslie, legal defense director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, added that it has a serious effect on reporting if people believe that a reporter could be an informant or agent of the government.
“If you think every reporter you meet could be an agent of law enforcement, it really has an immediate impact on any journalist coming to try and cover that story,” he said.
This is nothing new. In October 2016, I reported on the fact that FBI agents were impersonating journalists, and not journalists from a made up film company. No, they were impersonating the Associated Press, and they were doing so without their knowledge. This is criminal behavior.
In a report released in September 2016, the Inspector General wrote:
Over the course of 1 week in June 2007, a 15-year old high school student emailed a series of bomb threats to administrators and staff at Timberline High School, near Seattle, Washington. The threats caused daily school evacuations. The individual used “proxy servers” to e-mail the bomb threats in order to hide his location. When local law enforcement officials were unable to identify or locate the individual, they requested assistance from a cybercrime task force supervised by the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s (FBI) Seattle Field Division.
FBI agents on the task force, working with FBI technology and behavioral experts at Headquarters (FBIHQ), developed a plan to surreptitiously insert a computer program into the individual’s computer that would identify his location. An FBI undercover agent posed as an editor for the Associated Press (AP) and attempted to contact the individual through e-mail. During subsequent online communications, the undercover agent sent the individual links to a fake news article and photographs that had the computer program concealed within them. The individual activated the computer program when he clicked on the link to the photographs, thereby revealing his location to the FBI. FBI and local law enforcement agents subsequently arrested the individual and he confessed to emailing the bomb threats.
The FBI did not publicize the assistance its agents provided local law enforcement. However, on July 18, 2007, 2 days after the individual pleaded guilty, an online technology news website published an article that detailed the method by which the FBI identified the individual. Seven years later, in October 2014, The Seattle Times published an article that disclosed the fact that an FBI employee posed as a member of the news media when it contacted and then identified the subject as the author of the bomb threats. Later that same month the AP sent a letter to then-Attorney General Eric Holder protesting the FBI’s impersonation of a member of the news media in connection with the FBI’s investigation of the bomb threats. In addition, several newspapers wrote articles questioning the tactics the FBI used to identify and arrest the subject who sent the threats.
“The Associated Press is deeply disappointed by the Inspector General’s findings, which effectively condone the FBI’s impersonation of an AP journalist in 2007,” Associated Press Vice President Paul Colford said in a statement. “Such action compromises the ability of a free press to gather the news safely and effectively and raises serious constitutional concerns.”
Now that we know that the government’s key witness in the case, BLM agent Daniel P. Love, has been found guilty of misconduct in a report by the Inspector General and we have questionable ethics used by the FBI, does anyone actually think the government has any intention on giving these men a fair trial?"
Isn't this what Congressmen are for? If thousands of people contacted their congress person, they would have to check things out and make these judges and lawyers and police enforcement accountable to the Constitution and their oath of office. Also, Article 1, Section 8. Claus 17 in the Constitution. This alone should get Bundy's off.

Also, is Daniel Hill, Ammon's attorney, a Constitutional Attorney?
When you say "Constitution", you mean the document with a literal interpretation of its contents.

When our modern lawyers, judges, politicians, reporters, etc. say constitution, they mean the library of case law and judicial rulings that may have no relationship to the actual document.

Hence, whatever the government wants to do can be found to be constitutional or unconstitutional as the need arises. 200+ years of court rulings can be interpreted any way you want.
You may be correct. Read this:
The United States Has Two Constitutions

The original title of this book was THE UNITED STATES HAS TWO CONSTITUTIONS—How to identify and promote the true Constitution.

However, it seemed appropriate to change the title because readers tended to focus so much on the fact that the Supreme Court applies a "Constitution" of its own, different from that of the Framers, that I felt that many people missed the real message of the book.

The real message of the book is to bring to the attention of Latter-day Saints the following:

First, that the Framers' Constitution is based on gospel principles while the Supreme Court's "Constitution" is based on opposite principles, and

Second, that because Latter-day Saints are accustomed to recognize and distinguish the two sets of principles they are uniquely qualified to understand and apply our true Constitution.

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"A video surfaced online showing previously unseen footage from the Bundy Ranch protest in 2014. Defendants have always insisted that the Government escalated tension in the Tuquop Wash on Saturday, April 12th 2014. Leaked video shows federal agents being instructed to sling or put their long guns out of view. Instead, Special Agent in Charge Daniel P. Love deployed militarized BLM and US Park Police agents who subsequently pointed their weapons at protesters. Body cam footage records agents laughing about shooting animals and speaking as if they wanted an armed confrontation.

The narrative and timeline of events has always been disputed. Defendants insist that the Sheriff had announced that BLM’s roundup of Bundy cattle would cease. Eager to watch the cattle return to Golden Butte, protesters met horseback riders in the Tuquop Wash who would guide the cattle under the highway and back to the range.

They arrived to find federal agents with weapons raised and repeated attempts to tell them to disperse. People with binoculars could see snipers positioned on elevated ground behind the wash. The aggressive nature of federal agent’s action caused some citizens to take defensive postures out of the reasonable concern for grave bodily injury or death.

The Government would have people believe that Bundy dispatched an armed assault force to retrieve his cattle. Although it is well-documented that the Sheriff had already announced a cease of roundup activity, this video depicts a concise but accurate version of events in the wash and includes video clips that incriminate BLM agents for the escalation of tension.

The video also shows BLM agents asking people to relocate to a First Amendment Area. It goes on to show the arrest of Dave Bundy for photographing the militarization of agents in the area. Later it shows body cam footage of agents talking casually about killing protesters in the wash. Substantial portions of the video have never been seen publicly. If the video is any indication of what lies in evidence under protective order by the Court, the Government has a lot of questions to answer; and the wrong 17 people are going to trial."

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Elizabeth wrote:http://constitution.com/shocking-twist- ... ggression/

"A video surfaced online showing previously unseen footage from the Bundy Ranch protest in 2014. Defendants have always insisted that the Government escalated tension in the Tuquop Wash on Saturday, April 12th 2014. Leaked video shows federal agents being instructed to sling or put their long guns out of view. Instead, Special Agent in Charge Daniel P. Love deployed militarized BLM and US Park Police agents who subsequently pointed their weapons at protesters. Body cam footage records agents laughing about shooting animals and speaking as if they wanted an armed confrontation.

The narrative and timeline of events has always been disputed. Defendants insist that the Sheriff had announced that BLM’s roundup of Bundy cattle would cease. Eager to watch the cattle return to Golden Butte, protesters met horseback riders in the Tuquop Wash who would guide the cattle under the highway and back to the range.

They arrived to find federal agents with weapons raised and repeated attempts to tell them to disperse. People with binoculars could see snipers positioned on elevated ground behind the wash. The aggressive nature of federal agent’s action caused some citizens to take defensive postures out of the reasonable concern for grave bodily injury or death.

The Government would have people believe that Bundy dispatched an armed assault force to retrieve his cattle. Although it is well-documented that the Sheriff had already announced a cease of roundup activity, this video depicts a concise but accurate version of events in the wash and includes video clips that incriminate BLM agents for the escalation of tension.

The video also shows BLM agents asking people to relocate to a First Amendment Area. It goes on to show the arrest of Dave Bundy for photographing the militarization of agents in the area. Later it shows body cam footage of agents talking casually about killing protesters in the wash. Substantial portions of the video have never been seen publicly. If the video is any indication of what lies in evidence under protective order by the Court, the Government has a lot of questions to answer; and the wrong 17 people are going to trial."
Thank you, Elizabeth!

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Rather than start a thread about the Bundy trial in NV, I decided to post this video:
And a followup:
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“Judge Gloria Navarro presiding over USA vs Cliven Bundy says, if the Prosecution does not call Daniel P. Love to the stand she is leaning heavily toward not allowing the defense to call him to the stand either,” Jordan wrote. “In a shocking statement made outside the earshot of the Jury this past Friday, Navarro said that she has no obligation to allow the defense to call the former Special Agent in Charge of the Bundy cattle impoundment to the stand for the purpose of impeaching his testimony to the grand jury.”No obligation? This is the government’s star snitch, I mean witness, Bureau of Land Management agent Daniel P. Love. Perhaps, the reason lies in the fact that the BLM’s conduct at Bundy Ranch was thuggish and tyrannical (Watch Video evidence of their misconduct here and here). Perhaps, the reason lies with the fact that Love was found guilty of misconduct by the Inspector General on a number of issues, including using his influence to obtain tickets and special passes to the Burning Man festival in the Nevada desert. He was also instrumental in driving Dr. James Redd to the point of suicide over his collecting of Indian Artifacts in 2009.
As for Judge Navarro, citizens are planning to issue a letter to Congress calling for her impeachment due to her conduct in the case.
However, that is not the whole of what is taking place in Nevada. The Nevada Independent reports:
Although no shots were fired that day, federal officers previously testified that alarming investigative intelligence, combined with the guns present in the agitated crowd and para-military dress of some of the protesters, made them afraid for their safety. Six defendants the government describes as Bundy’s gunmen are on trial accused of threatening and intimidating BLM and U.S. Parks Service law enforcement officers.
In recent weeks, on cross examination, the defense has managed to portray the federal cops as inexperienced wannabes who lacked judgment and overreacted under stress. After the decision was made to discontinue the roundup, some of BLM rangers and Park police initially refused orders to put away their weapons, stand down and pack up. Some of their responses under oath made them appear more fearful than professional.
But the defense this past week had little success with Metro Sgt. Tom Jenkins and none at all with Sheriff Joseph Lombardo.
Additionally, there was testimony by Metro Sgt. Tom Jenkins, who claimed that protesters were flashing handguns and rifles “from the time we got there until the time we left.” However, he remained steadfast in his claims even though lengthy recorded exhibits didn’t always agree with his testimony. Someone is not being truthful or has a really bad memory that cannot be trusted.
Jenkins claims his officers were “scared” and “crying.” Really?
I wonder if Sgt. Jenkins thought there was fear in the hearts of the Bundys and their supporters over this?
https://youtu.be/9p0YemhFnw8
or this?
https://youtu.be/LhJ6H9vlEDA
Then there was testimony from Lombardo. Again, from The Nevada Independent:
When Lombardo’s took the stand Thursday, he reminded those who have followed his career that the public needn’t worry about his leadership skills. An assistant sheriff at the time of the standoff, Lombardo accompanied Sheriff Doug Gillespie to Bundy’s makeshift stage outside his ranch in an attempt to cool the heated rhetoric and avoid bloodshed. He stood patiently during Bundy’s windy grandstanding and impossible demands — disarm all federal law enforcement and bulldoze the entrance booths at the region’s federal conservation and recreation areas — and then returned to Las Vegas believing the botched cattle roundup was reaching a peaceful resolution.
For the first time jurors saw video of the elder Bundy holding forth with armed, uniformed members of the Arizona State Militia, who call themselves the “Praetorian Guard,” standing guard. Dozens of his hundreds of followers were armed with handguns and rifles.
When Bundy instructed his followers to go get his cattle, Lombardo’s day grew complicated and dangerous. He attempted to negotiate with one of Bundy’s sons, Dave Bundy, in a plea for patience and enough time to allow the BLM to make a safe exit.
It was Lombardo, jurors learned, who essentially put his career on the line to overrule BLM Supervisory Special Agent Dan Love and press for the release of the impounded cattle during the height of the armed standoff’s tensions.
“He advised me they were federal cattle and it was his decision,” Lombardo said.
Fortunately, Lombardo prevailed.
On what constitutional basis do Cliven Bundy’s cattle become “federal cattle”? There is no victim any what the government is portraying here. Furthermore, just because a video shows armed citizens protecting one another from a tyrannical BLM, something that even Sheriff Lombardo was willing to stand up to, doesn’t mean they were breaking the law. Seriously, is no one reading the Second Amendment? Do none of these people know why we have it and what provoked the writing of the Second Amendment? or the First? or the Third? or the Fourth, etc. etc.?
While the author of the Nevada Independent piece concluded, “Bring guns to a peaceful protest, and you’re bound to get everyone’s attention,” what he failed to identify is who brought them first. The response of protesters with guns was an equal and measured defensive response to tyrants, period. Now, you can see the utter hypocrisy and lack of moral compass that is on display in this case."

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Liberty in the rear view mirror.....

Constitution is BANNED in Federal Courthouse
March 21, 2017

Witnesses have told me that the US Marshals have decided that they will no longer allow copies of the US Constitution to be brought into the courthouse. They have even gone so far as to remove them from ladies’ purses to be discarded into the trash. It is not limited to just those that are showing from shirt pockets.

Defendant Eric Parker, who has consistently placed a copy of the Constitution in his pocket during these proceedings, was forced to remove it and told to keep it flat at the defendants table so the jury could not see it.

The jury cannot be allowed to even look at the Constitution!

http://redoubtnews.com/2017/03/21/const ... ourthouse/

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Donald J. Trump‏@realDonaldTrump 10h10 hours ago

Why isn't the House Intelligence Committee looking into the Bill & Hillary deal that allowed big Uranium to go to Russia, Russian speech....

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-2 ... g-clintons

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Sean Hannity exposes Clinton’s Russian State connection to Uranium One
BY SHEPARD AMBELLAS - 03.29.2017

(INTELLIHUB) In a ballsy move for a mainstream news anchor, Fox News’ Sean Hannity delivered the home run we’ve all been waiting for on the Sean Hannity Show Tuesday night when he gave much-needed publicity to Hillary Clinton’s Russian State ties to Uranium One which I first reported on back in January of 2016 in an Intellihub Magazine article titled “Clinton Foundation took massive payoffs, promised Hammond Ranch and other publicly owned lands to Russians along with one-fifth of our uranium ore.”

More here: https://www.intellihub.com/sean-hannity ... anium-one/

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Toto wrote: March 30th, 2017, 3:26 pm Sean Hannity exposes Clinton’s Russian State connection to Uranium One
BY SHEPARD AMBELLAS - 03.29.2017

(INTELLIHUB) In a ballsy move for a mainstream news anchor, Fox News’ Sean Hannity delivered the home run we’ve all been waiting for on the Sean Hannity Show Tuesday night when he gave much-needed publicity to Hillary Clinton’s Russian State ties to Uranium One which I first reported on back in January of 2016 in an Intellihub Magazine article titled “Clinton Foundation took massive payoffs, promised Hammond Ranch and other publicly owned lands to Russians along with one-fifth of our uranium ore.”

More here: https://www.intellihub.com/sean-hannity ... anium-one/

Please, please watch this. Proof has been gathered showing how many Oregon politicians and others have joined in creating hedge funds to rob people of their lands and ranches for the Clinton Foundation, for the purpose of extracting Uranium for China

Uranium One...
Hillary Clinton
Harry Reid
Jeff Merkley
Ron Wyden
Greg Walden
Gordon Smith
He names Jeremy Comey, but I think it is James Comey instead
Loretta Lynch
Ted Ferrioli
Cliff Bent
Andy Bent
Linda Bent
Judge, Anna J Brown

And many more

Thank you very much for your post on the Uranium issue, Toto.

→→→→→ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqew1-aFNhQ

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And they have caused the destruction of this people of whom I am now speaking, and also the destruction of the people of Nephi. And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not. Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be. Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up. For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.


Any repenting going on?
Maybe a few people....
But the secret combinations gain power year by year and liberty has hidden her face in shame....

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ALWAYS follow the [fake] money.

Wikileaks Shows Hammond, Bundy, Malheur Minerals Sold by Clinton to Russia China – Judge Into Hedge Funds

This is a video of several excerpts of a whistleblower presentation given today on the steps of City Hall in Portland, OR. Laz, AKA Lazaro Ecenarro, and Shawna Cox presented documents laying out the ties of corruption between the Hammond, Bundy and Malheur lands and all levels of State and Federal agencies and agents. The entire presentation is an hour long, so here’s a few of the hot points. THIS is why they have come down so hard on the Hammonds and the Bundys and the other brave Americans standing and being persecuted for the rights of all of us.
New Wikileaks emails expand on the connections to the Clintons, Uranium 1 and Russia and China. Judge Anna Brown is shown to have relationships with investments that profit from the transactions related to the land grabs and sell offs in Oregon and the Western states.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqew1-a ... e=youtu.be

Clinton Foundation took massive payoffs, promised Hammond Ranch and other publicly owned lands to Russians along with one-fifth of our uranium ore
BY SHEPARD AMBELLAS -

01.23.2016 @12:05 AM EDT
https://www.intellihub.com/clinton-foun ... ds-russia/

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America


But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

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Toto wrote: March 30th, 2017, 10:32 pm ALWAYS follow the [fake] money.

Wikileaks Shows Hammond, Bundy, Malheur Minerals Sold by Clinton to Russia China – Judge Into Hedge Funds

This is a video of several excerpts of a whistleblower presentation given today on the steps of City Hall in Portland, OR. Laz, AKA Lazaro Ecenarro, and Shawna Cox presented documents laying out the ties of corruption between the Hammond, Bundy and Malheur lands and all levels of State and Federal agencies and agents. The entire presentation is an hour long, so here’s a few of the hot points. THIS is why they have come down so hard on the Hammonds and the Bundys and the other brave Americans standing and being persecuted for the rights of all of us.
New Wikileaks emails expand on the connections to the Clintons, Uranium 1 and Russia and China. Judge Anna Brown is shown to have relationships with investments that profit from the transactions related to the land grabs and sell offs in Oregon and the Western states.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqew1-a ... e=youtu.be

Clinton Foundation took massive payoffs, promised Hammond Ranch and other publicly owned lands to Russians along with one-fifth of our uranium ore
BY SHEPARD AMBELLAS -

01.23.2016 @12:05 AM EDT
https://www.intellihub.com/clinton-foun ... ds-russia/

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America


But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
You posted the same, exact video I did in my post above. Perhaps a second witness is a good thing, huh?
I wonder why I don't hear anything about Oathkeepers getting involved with all of this? I guess talk is cheap.

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Oops! Actually, this is the video I was actually looking for before posting on the fly. This one is an hour long with a lot more detail:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLewTMmXqmw

If my memory serves me right, which it usually doesn’t, the Oath Keepers and Richard Mack were hesitant to get involved because they knew the extent of the corruption they were up against and didn’t think it was a winnable battle. (Don’t quote me on that.)

I’m not sure anybody involved knew the extent of the deep state military security complex they were up against from the beginning, with the exception of the career politicians and the corrupt judges. I know I wasn’t aware of the uranium connection till after the fact. But isn’t it ironic how those who were working with the Russians are the ones pointing a finger at the Trump administration?

This is like 1984 on steroids!

I’m beginning to lose faith that the republic can be saved, like Joel Skousen, who doesn’t believe it deserves to be saved. It’s as if this nation has lost its collective consciousness. I don’t know whether to bury my head in the sand, brush up on my Mandarin Chinese, move to Idaho and hope I will be part of the remnant, or move to Clearfield, Utah, so I am close enough to ground zero (Hill Air Force Base) and get out of this life quickly when they turn it into a sand box.

Perhaps I should give Putin a call and make sure Orin Hatch is there when the missiles fly.

LaVoy Finicum - A Message of Liberty from Beyond the Grave

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