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Their nationality or race is irrelevant. Whoever they are they will be Authorized Prophets and Apostles and members of the Lords church who have been baptized, confirmed and endowed.

To have power to call fire down from heaven you must have the same power and authority as Elijah had.
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7cylon7 wrote:I would not be surprised if the two Apostles were sent. It makes perfect sense. Of course they will need some aids to help them. Would you volunteer to go with them as their aid?

I would.


Well volunteered. You'd better start preparing to die now. No skeletons in the closet if you know what I mean. :ymapplause:
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LukeAir2008 wrote:Their nationality or race is irrelevant. Whoever they are they will be Authorized Prophets and Apostles and members of the Lords church who have been baptized, confirmed and endowed.

To have power to call fire down from heaven you must have the same power and authority as Elijah had.


Other than your logic on this do you have any references for this? I am not aware of anything.

If your logic is correct, do you think miracles can only be performed by people who hold the priesthood?
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Right on ryanjenny1997 you nailed it.Nice :ymapplause:
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Lamoni'sBFF wrote:
LukeAir2008 wrote:Their nationality or race is irrelevant. Whoever they are they will be Authorized Prophets and Apostles and members of the Lords church who have been baptized, confirmed and endowed.

To have power to call fire down from heaven you must have the same power and authority as Elijah had.


Other than your logic on this do you have any references for this? I am not aware of anything.

If your logic is correct, do you think miracles can only be performed by people who hold the priesthood?


http://institute.lds.org/manuals/old-te ... r-ez-I.asp

John the Revelator gave the most detailed picture of these two participants. They are called the “two witnesses,” the “two olive trees” and the “two candlesticks” ( Revelation 11:3–4 ). Latter-day revelation teaches that they are “two prophets . . . raised up to the Jewish nation” who will “prophesy to [them] after they are gathered and have built . . . Jerusalem” ( D&C 77:15 ).

Elder Bruce R. McConkie wrote:

“These two shall be followers of that humble man, Joseph Smith, through whom the Lord of Heaven restored the fulness of his everlasting gospel in this final dispensation of grace. No doubt they will be members of the Council of the Twelve or of the First Presidency of the Church. Their prophetic ministry to rebellious Jewry shall be the same in length as was our Lord’s personal ministry among their rebellious forebears.

“The two olive trees, and the two candlesticks [are] symbols of the two witnesses; meaning, perhaps, that as olive trees, they shall provide oil for the lamps of those who go forth to meet the Bridegroom; . . . and that as lamp stands they shall reflect to men that light which comes from Him who is the Light of the World.” ( Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:509–10.)

These prophets will have power to pronounce great judgments upon the earth (see Revelation 11:5–6 ).

“They shall have power like Elijah who called down fire from heaven to consume his enemies, and who sealed the heavens that it rained not in all Israel for the space of three and a half years ( 1 Kings 17 and 18 ; 2 Kings 1 ), and like Moses by whose word blood and plagues lay heavily upon the Egyptians. ( Ex. 7 , 8 , 9 , and 10 .)” (McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:510.)

Their miraculous power seems to be the force preventing Gog and his army from succeeding in annihilating Israel. Elder Parley P. Pratt wrote: “John, in the eleventh chapter of Revelation , gives us many more particulars concerning this same event. He informs us that after the city and temple are rebuilt by the Jews, the Gentiles will tread it under foot forty and two months, during which time there will be two prophets continually prophesying and working mighty miracles. And it seems that the Gentile army shall be hindered from utterly destroying and overthrowing the city, while these two prophets continue.” ( A Voice of Warning, p. 33.)

Isaiah called these prophets “two sons” and said they were the only hope of deliverance for Israel because they would be “full of the fury of the Lord” (JST, Isaiah 51:19–20 ; see also JST, Isaiah 51:17–18 ). (Old Testament Student Manual, Enrichment I)
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LukeAir2008 wrote:
Lamoni'sBFF wrote:
LukeAir2008 wrote:Their nationality or race is irrelevant. Whoever they are they will be Authorized Prophets and Apostles and members of the Lords church who have been baptized, confirmed and endowed.

To have power to call fire down from heaven you must have the same power and authority as Elijah had.


Other than your logic on this do you have any references for this? I am not aware of anything.

If your logic is correct, do you think miracles can only be performed by people who hold the priesthood?


http://institute.lds.org/manuals/old-te ... r-ez-I.asp

John the Revelator gave the most detailed picture of these two participants. They are called the “two witnesses,” the “two olive trees” and the “two candlesticks” ( Revelation 11:3–4 ). Latter-day revelation teaches that they are “two prophets . . . raised up to the Jewish nation” who will “prophesy to [them] after they are gathered and have built . . . Jerusalem” ( D&C 77:15 ).

Elder Bruce R. McConkie wrote:

“These two shall be followers of that humble man, Joseph Smith, through whom the Lord of Heaven restored the fulness of his everlasting gospel in this final dispensation of grace. No doubt they will be members of the Council of the Twelve or of the First Presidency of the Church. Their prophetic ministry to rebellious Jewry shall be the same in length as was our Lord’s personal ministry among their rebellious forebears.

“The two olive trees, and the two candlesticks [are] symbols of the two witnesses; meaning, perhaps, that as olive trees, they shall provide oil for the lamps of those who go forth to meet the Bridegroom; . . . and that as lamp stands they shall reflect to men that light which comes from Him who is the Light of the World.” ( Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:509–10.)

These prophets will have power to pronounce great judgments upon the earth (see Revelation 11:5–6 ).

“They shall have power like Elijah who called down fire from heaven to consume his enemies, and who sealed the heavens that it rained not in all Israel for the space of three and a half years ( 1 Kings 17 and 18 ; 2 Kings 1 ), and like Moses by whose word blood and plagues lay heavily upon the Egyptians. ( Ex. 7 , 8 , 9 , and 10 .)” (McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:510.)

Their miraculous power seems to be the force preventing Gog and his army from succeeding in annihilating Israel. Elder Parley P. Pratt wrote: “John, in the eleventh chapter of Revelation , gives us many more particulars concerning this same event. He informs us that after the city and temple are rebuilt by the Jews, the Gentiles will tread it under foot forty and two months, during which time there will be two prophets continually prophesying and working mighty miracles. And it seems that the Gentile army shall be hindered from utterly destroying and overthrowing the city, while these two prophets continue.” ( A Voice of Warning, p. 33.)

Isaiah called these prophets “two sons” and said they were the only hope of deliverance for Israel because they would be “full of the fury of the Lord” (JST, Isaiah 51:19–20 ; see also JST, Isaiah 51:17–18 ). (Old Testament Student Manual, Enrichment I)


Thanks for supplying that. I don't always agree w/ BRM on everything, but I can't say nobody said that anymore.
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Lamoni'sBFF wrote:Thanks for supplying that. I don't always agree w/ BRM on everything, but I can't say nobody said that anymore.


I don't think BRM always got it right but I think this one is probably a no brainer.

Im curious as to how you think God will raise up two Prophets who arent any of the Fifteen Prophets, Seers and Revelators or even members of the Lord's Church.
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LukeAir2008 wrote:
Lamoni'sBFF wrote:Thanks for supplying that. I don't always agree w/ BRM on everything, but I can't say nobody said that anymore.


I don't think BRM always got it right but I think this one is probably a no brainer.

Im curious as to how you think God will raise up two Prophets who arent any of the Fifteen Prophets, Seers and Revelators or even members of the Lord's Church.


To me it seems more likely that God will raise up two Jews from within his other chosen people to help them be the great nation they are to be rather than having them all follow two LDS apostles. With the way the Lord usually does things, the former seems more in line than the latter. Also, this is the time that the Americas are sealed off I believe.
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Lamoni'sBFF wrote:
LukeAir2008 wrote:
Lamoni'sBFF wrote:Thanks for supplying that. I don't always agree w/ BRM on everything, but I can't say nobody said that anymore.


I don't think BRM always got it right but I think this one is probably a no brainer.

Im curious as to how you think God will raise up two Prophets who arent any of the Fifteen Prophets, Seers and Revelators or even members of the Lord's Church.


To me it seems more likely that God will raise up two Jews from within his other chosen people to help them be the great nation they are to be rather than having them all follow two LDS apostles. With the way the Lord usually does things, the former seems more in line than the latter. Also, this is the time that the Americas are sealed off I believe.


I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the two prophets would be born and raised in Jerusalem. Obviously they would be ordained from on high, so I have also assumed that if they weren't part of the quorum of twelve or first presidency that they would still hold the priesthood, possibly ordained as Joseph Smith was...via angelic messengers. Or perhaps by the current living prophet. Then again, maybe BRM is right. I wonder if we will even know about their ministry when it happens. If we are cut off, we may not know of them...except perhaps if revealed to our leaders here in America.
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We have to remember that the gospel will be taken to the Jews after the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled and also the Ten Tribes will come forth from their hiding place to receive their blessings at the hands of Ephriam and from each of the 12 tribes 12000 missionaries will be chosen to go out into the world to proclaim the gospel one last time.

The future will be very different from what most people imagine...
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Some of you have been wondering if calamities such as the moon turning to blood and the sun turning to darkness have occurred or not. I came across this conference talk recently by Pres. Hinckley that he gave in October 2001 and thought I would share: "The vision of Joel has been fulfilled wherein he declared:

“And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

“And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

“And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come.

“And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call” (Joel 2:28–32).

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guthrie wrote:I forgot to post the link: http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2 ... s?lang=eng


Thanks for sharing guthrie!
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