The Nephilims

[nightlight]

Mormonism is an occult religion. Occult means "hidden" in its purest definition. (see Isaiah 29:4) There's no shame in being occult. It just means searching for hidden truths. This practically fits the definition of the Church's pursuit of "Intelligence" to a tee.

One of the hidden writings brought forth in the Latter Days is this verse:
Moses 7:15 - And the giants of the land, also, stood afar off; and there went forth a curse upon all people that fought against God;

These were pre-flood giants - possibly both dinosaurs and human giants - who are mentioned as showing how powerful the faith and works of Enoch were. Most of these giants didn't survive the flood (probably couldn't fit on the ark), but evidently the genes survived in the days of Moses and David, as many giants are mentioned.

I think the giants are very real. The Norse/Germanic peoples believed their Gods came from the North and were descended from giants. The Greeks said the 12 Olympians overthrew the 12 Titans (Giants). If you look at the Egyptian, and Sumerian hieroglyphs, they portray their Gods as being equal height to a mortal, while the giant Deity is sitting down and the mortal is standing straight. (see the Book of Abraham hieroglyphs, for example). This means that these Gods are not only great in spirit and power, but stature as well. Perhaps all of them are 10-12 feet tall (or more), and tower over us shorter mortals.

Quetzacoatl and other Meso-American Gods were said to be giants, with 12 fingers and 12 toes, and (many prophets have expressed the belief that he was Christ during his Book of Mormon visit). Goliath and some his relatives had genetic throwbacks to 12 fingers and 12 toes (not isolated mutations, but a common family trait). I think the reason many ancient religions, including Christianity, include 12 as a important number is that the ancient giants, the ancestors to the current Gods, use a base 12 system, which is based on their fingers and toes (the word "digit" means either finger or toe as well as a numeric character).

Maybe God himself has 12 fingers and 12 toes, which would mean Jesus' 12 apostles and Israel's 12 sons were meant to be counted completely on two hands. In his numbering system, this would be equivalent to our 10. So instead of a "perfect 10", we have a "perfect 12". Our English language seems to be used to this concept, as we 1-12 are given their own stand-alone names, while 13+ need suffixes like "-teen", "-ty", "-hundred", and so on.

Do you think there is any relation to this with the name NEPHI and Nephi-lim after all "I Nephi being large in stature" ?????? Great post by the way!

No , Nephi comes from family of Adam, his genealogy can be traced back being descendant of Joseph. Giants came about when angels Came Down to Earth had sex with women.

[nightlight]

So where the heck do these giants come from??? Why are they here or were here in the first place, whats the point in their creation?? Do they have the same oppertunities as us for salvation and exaltation???



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcP3TOXlR14 part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGu8VKFe ... re=related part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZBFPmU ... re=related part 3

That's exactly what I always thought. I think Satans hand is in it . I'm sure he'd like to get a body and maybe that's how he plans on doing it, because he's not able to take the form of a man. Plus the very last battle after the Thousand Years of Jesus Christ reign when Satan is let out for a season he will be fighting against spirts with Resurrected body's (us) , I know it say Michael ( Adam) will fight this battle but I'm sure he will have God's army behind him. And we've been taught how a body has power over a spirt . As to the Giants who lived in the past it seems like from the scriptures that their body and spirit are created at the same time and they are not the sons of God (Elohim) so they probably have a whole different path than us. Oh yeah and there's a scripture saying how Michael had to contend was with Satan over the body of Moses why would he want Moses's dead body????
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

[nightlight]

Rock34, "sons of God" in that context referred to men who upheld the gospel and honored their priesthood, while "sons of men" referred to those who didn't have the covenant and followed false religion. Remember, the Lord didn't want his people to intermarry with idolaters.

and every man was lifted up in the imagination of the thoughts of his heart, being only evil continually.

This was the cause for the flood. You can use your own imagination as to what kinds of evil are referred to. But you can look at the worldly people of today and have a pretty good idea about the abominations that filled the whole earth.

I don't think we know everything about the creation, and that more than likely there was some form of exodus and colonization of another people from another planet, adapted to this earth's environment through numerous lab tests. Some have speculated that Eden was in fact a lab

Adam and Eve were placed here by Father. But this earth is not some lab experiment. Sheesh!

It clearly states that there are giants that's an undisputable fact and that Giants are different than humans. I don't understand if you're trying to say that Giants are not real or we're just missunderstanding what's in the scriptures . Because it's out of the realm of your understanding does not mean its not real.The truth is stranger than fiction take a step back and look what we believe it sounds absolutely insane to a person who's not LDS

[Older/wiser?]

Or it could be as simple as the Sons of G_d broke their covenants, married the "daughters of men" (marriages not sealed with temple covenants). Adam gives His genealogy for a reason, it identifies Him as a Son of G_d. All other genealogies are the sons of men, these are not given as the scriptures are concerned with Adams posterity. Angels could be just fallen priesthood leaders intermarring with the genealogy of the sons of men.

[nightlight]

Or it could be as simple as the Sons of G_d broke their covenants, married the "daughters of men" (marriages not sealed with temple covenants). Adam gives His genealogy for a reason, it identifies Him as a Son of G_d. All other genealogies are the sons of men, these are not given as the scriptures are concerned with Adams posterity. Angels could be just fallen priesthood leaders intermarring with the genealogy of the sons of men.

You're discounting all the scripture on the Giants. It clearly states that they are not human.

[nightlight]

It's funny to me how LDS people have such a hard time on subject of giants. Everybody always try to twist the scriptures when it clearly states what it states. Read The Book of Enoch taken out of the Bible by evil men. Pre-flood Earth was a different place than it is today

[buffalo_girl]

My reading of the pre-Flood account suggests that Eugenics was being practiced on a major scale. Humans were 'breeding' a super race.

[Older/wiser?]

No I am not discounting that, there is a lot of explanation in Hugh Nibleys Enoch the Prophet pgs. 178-181 According to these traditions, these were none other than special heavenly messengers were sent down to Earth to restore respect for the name of God among the degenerate human race but instead yielded to temptation , misbehaved with the daughters of men , and ended up instructing and abetting their human charges and all manner of iniquity . They are variously designated as the watchers, fallen Angels, Sons of God , Nephilim, or Rephaim, and are sometimes confused with their offspring, the Giants. Other candidates for this dubious honor have been suggested by various scholars, the trouble being that more than one category of beings qualify as falling Angels and spectacular sinners before the time of the flood. The Bible uses the title sons of God were they different from the watchers of tradition ? The next two pages go into a lot more detail about the fallen. Noah was even taken before his grandfather Methusaleh to see if he was one of these spectacular children pgs. 25 I would quote the other pages but it is to long and you might enjoy reading it yourself. Lots of interesting material. I think the challenge is in the different categories of beings.

[sushi_chef]

sushi_s hunches are he is talking real things. not fakerish at all.



codex vatican giants
https://search.yahoo.co.jp/search?ei=UT ... n%20giants


jaredites giants olmec
https://search.yahoo.co.jp/search?ei=UT ... ts%20olmec
:-B

[davedan]

Genetic and anthropology demonstrate that humans and Neanderthal mixed. But only human males mixed with Neanderthal female because there is a Neanderthal/Human-Y incompatibility.

Human men sought to mate with Neanderthal females to enslave the offspring. (same reason Nephites practiced polygamy: More children = More worker = More money). Neanderthal themselves were not smart enough to teach to mine or weave baskets, etc.

The problem with the Cro-magnon hybrids is that they were too smart, and ferocious and could have hunted man to and many animal species to extinction. Mankind was saved by the flood.

Any surviving Giants after the flood were easily killed off because of lower atmospheric oxygen levels making giants (and larger animals) slow and lethargic.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/20 ... nderthals/

Today's genetic experimentation involving non-random genetic selection/picking genes (disrupt Hardy-Weinberg genetic equilibrium) will produce greater genetic phenotypic variability but less overall genetic genotypic variability and thus less overall genetic fitness. Humans will be domesticated. And like the dog cannot stand up to the fitness of the wolf, man will allow him children/grandchildren to be genetically enslaved-- "worlds without end".

Nephalim are not angel/human hybrids or alien/human hybrids.

[Durzan]

Nephalim are not angel/human hybrids or alien/human hybrids.

Kinda have to agree on that one.

[nightlight]

Genetic and anthropology demonstrate that humans and Neanderthal mixed. But only human males mixed with Neanderthal female because there is a Neanderthal/Human-Y incompatibility.

Human men sought to mate with Neanderthal females to enslave the offspring. (same reason Nephites practiced polygamy: More children = More worker = More money). Neanderthal themselves were not smart enough to teach to mine or weave baskets, etc.

The problem with the Cro-magnon hybrids is that they were too smart, and ferocious and could have hunted man to and many animal species to extinction. Mankind was saved by the flood.

Any surviving Giants after the flood were easily killed off because of lower atmospheric oxygen levels making giants (and larger animals) slow and lethargic.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/20 ... nderthals/

Today's genetic experimentation involving non-random genetic selection/picking genes (disrupt Hardy-Weinberg genetic equilibrium) will produce greater genetic phenotypic variability but less overall genetic genotypic variability and thus less overall genetic fitness. Humans will be domesticated. And like the dog cannot stand up to the fitness of the wolf, man will allow him children/grandchildren to be genetically enslaved-- "worlds without end".

Nephalim are not angel/human hybrids or alien/human hybrids.

Really??? Lol , and you know this how Mr. Scientist??? You would aslo tell me man has been walking this planet for hundreds of thousands of years and not six thousand years like the Bible States. Are you that kind of modern Christian who picks and chooses what they like in Biblical history and what the world thinks? The Bible states they are angel / human hybrid I think I'll go with the Bible's history instead of modern science view of our past which is a joke. Keep trying to understand things with your arm of Flesh see where it gets you.
Goliath was easily killed cuz he was slow and lethargic oh wait nevermind he's was just a big guy nothing special about him I mean not taking into account that David was weapons master also a big guy himself but that story is nothing just Jewish folklore lol

[sushi_chef]

"
Several legends of giant white men exist throughout Native American culture, including the northern tribe of Comanche and southern Mantenos. In "History of the Choctaw Indians, Chickasaw and Natchez" (1899), Horatio Bardwell Cushman writes: "The tradition of the Choctaw that has long been a race of giants inhabited what is now the State of Tennessee, beings with which their ancestors fought when migrated from the west. It's tradition states that Nahullo had an impressive stature. "The "Nahullo", according to Cushman, was a common term for white settlers within the United States, but its original derivation was referring to white giants.
"
http://www.disclose.tv/news/the_ancient ... ans/130648
:-B

[davedan]

You would aslo tell me man has been walking this planet for hundreds of thousands of years and not six thousand years like the Bible States. Are you that kind of modern Christian who picks and chooses what they like in Biblical history and what the world thinks? The Bible states they are angel / human hybrid I think I'll go with the Bible's history instead of modern science view of our past which is a joke. Keep trying to understand things with your arm of Flesh see where it gets you.

I ALSO believe man has only been walking around for 6000 years on the Earth. Neanderthal have been walking around much longer. But, at some point before the Flood, man and Neanderthal mixed. Scientific analysis demonstrates this and also explains why the Bible says only the Human male and the Neanderthal females mixed due to the Y incompatibility. However, I Do think that scientific dating is problematic in many areas.

I do NOT believe Nephalim have anything to do with angel/human or alien/human hybrids.

[DesertWonderer]

.. six thousand years like the Bible States.

Where does it state this?

[JohnnyL]

No I am not discounting that, there is a lot of explanation in Hugh Nibleys Enoch the Prophet pgs. 178-181 According to these traditions, these were none other than special heavenly messengers were sent down to Earth to restore respect for the name of God among the degenerate human race but instead yielded to temptation , misbehaved with the daughters of men , and ended up instructing and abetting their human charges and all manner of iniquity . They are variously designated as the watchers, fallen Angels, Sons of God, Nephilim, or Rephaim, and are sometimes confused with their offspring, the Giants. Other candidates for this dubious honor have been suggested by various scholars, the trouble being that more than one category of beings qualify as falling Angels and spectacular sinners before the time of the flood. The Bible uses the title sons of God were they different from the watchers of tradition ? The next two pages go into a lot more detail about the fallen. Noah was even taken before his grandfather Methusaleh to see if he was one of these spectacular children pgs. 25 I would quote the other pages but it is to long and you might enjoy reading it yourself. Lots of interesting material. I think the challenge is in the different categories of beings.

So these are Prometheus-type myths?

There are three types of angels: spirits, resurrected, and translated. All angels related to this earth, have been/ will be on this earth. So that means if they were having children, it could only be translated people (not spirits, not resurrected). Which means that after Zion was taken, translated people came back to earth and did it. Is any of that in there? Hmm...

So we have aliens, but... what to make of that?

We have Cro-Magnon (incredibly ugly) hybrids, so we need a flood to save mankind? Doesn't make sense to me.
Giants, to me, mean giants. Those bones show very large giants, and I don't see Cro-Magnon in them.

To me it seems like genetic engineering using forbidden knowledge and hidden power. But, that's an opinion... So who did it--fallen angels, or men with the priesthood who turned to Satan (sons of perdition)?

[nightlight]

.. six thousand years like the Bible States.

Where does it state this?

D&C 77

6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals?
A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence.

7 Q. What are we to understand by the seven seals with which it was sealed?
A. We are to understand that the first seal contains the things of the first thousand years, and the second also of the second thousand years, and so on until the seventh.

From Adam to Christ 4000 years plus 2000years since the Savior s death/Resurrection. And a bunch of other places, This is basic stuff. I read through some of your past post and I highly doubt you don't already know this...

[nightlight]

You would aslo tell me man has been walking this planet for hundreds of thousands of years and not six thousand years like the Bible States. Are you that kind of modern Christian who picks and chooses what they like in Biblical history and what the world thinks? The Bible states they are angel / human hybrid I think I'll go with the Bible's history instead of modern science view of our past which is a joke. Keep trying to understand things with your arm of Flesh see where it gets you.

I ALSO believe man has only been walking around for 6000 years on the Earth. Neanderthal have been walking around much longer. But, at some point before the Flood, man and Neanderthal mixed. Scientific analysis demonstrates this and also explains why the Bible says only the Human male and the Neanderthal females mixed due to the Y incompatibility. However, I Do think that scientific dating is problematic in many areas.

I do NOT believe Nephalim have anything to do with angel/human or alien/human hybrids.

Sorry, I jumped tge gun and prejudged u from your post, my bad. Agree to disagree

[nightlight]

You would aslo tell me man has been walking this planet for hundreds of thousands of years and not six thousand years like the Bible States. Are you that kind of modern Christian who picks and chooses what they like in Biblical history and what the world thinks? The Bible states they are angel / human hybrid I think I'll go with the Bible's history instead of modern science view of our past which is a joke. Keep trying to understand things with your arm of Flesh see where it gets you.

I ALSO believe man has only been walking around for 6000 years on the Earth. Neanderthal have been walking around much longer. But, at some point before the Flood, man and Neanderthal mixed. Scientific analysis demonstrates this and also explains why the Bible says only the Human male and the Neanderthal females mixed due to the Y incompatibility. However, I Do think that scientific dating is problematic in many areas.

I do NOT believe Nephalim have anything to do with angel/human or alien/human hybrids.

I've come to believe Neanderthals came after the creation of man... What makes you think they were before?

[davedan]

Neanderthal would be considered a kind of animal. One of the four beasts (individuals also representing classes) surrounding the throne of God had the face of a man but was a beast. Animals were created before Adam.

Rev 4:7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

D&C 77:3 Q. Are the four beasts limited to individual beasts, or do they represent classes or orders?A. They are limited to four individual beasts, which were shown to John, to represent the glory of the classes of beings in their destined order or sphere of creation, in the enjoyment of their eternal felicity.

[nightlight]

Neanderthal would be considered a kind of animal. One of the four beasts (individuals also representing classes) surrounding the throne of God had the face of a man but was a beast. Animals were created before Adam.

Rev 4:7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

D&C 77:3 Q. Are the four beasts limited to individual beasts, or do they represent classes or orders?A. They are limited to four individual beasts, which were shown to John, to represent the glory of the classes of beings in their destined order or sphere of creation, in the enjoyment of their eternal felicity.
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