Eclipse, A sign of preparation?

[OCDMOM]

https://mormonhub.com/blog/faith/coming ... ign-times/

[mes5464]

We had the blood moons in '14 & '15. Then we have a solar eclipse in '17.

If you read the scriptures about these signs is't obvious that you can't have all of these things at once. Anyone who thinks that all of those signs are supposed to happen simultaneously is going to be surprised when they learn later that all of these signs are coming in a stream until they are all fulfilled.

[Goonerboy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwGb38R ... ture=share

Found this interesting about today's Eclipse.

[Ezekiel]

No, no, no. The solar eclipse is not a sign of anything. It''s just an eclipse. The planets lining up this way and that are not signs, either. The wonders to be seen in the heavens, spoken of in the scriptures, concern the end times. We are not in the end times. These heavenly wonders and signs have nothing, whatsoever, to do with normal things like eclipses and the normal movement of planets. They have nothing to do with normal planetary alignments, either. So, this planet and that planet are aligned. Big deal. It means absolutely nothing.

When the real signs start happening in the heavens, they will be big things, unusual things, like the planets moving out of their places and coming closer to earth and to each other, so that instead of tiny specks in the sky, they will be great big imposing spheres, terrifying orbs, with rings and dust and lightning and interplanetary lightning and so on. They will be huge comets coming into the solar system, causing a re-arrangement of things, of the planets and moons and asteroids and so forth. The sky will become like a huge stage with all the celestial objects acting out things which, in appearance, look like things on earth or in fictional stories (like dragons, etc.) and none of this stuff will be tiny dots in the sky, but terrifyingly close, so that we see all the colors and interactions between these heavenly bodies in great detail. No telescope needed.

But none of this end times heavenly stuff starts without Elias. So, everybody can just chill. Elias hasn't stood up, yet. No Elias, no heavenly signs. That's how it works. Remember the key the scribes and Jesus both gave about Elias:

And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must FIRST come?

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall FIRST come, and restore all things. (Matthew 17:10-11)

Elias still hasn't made his presence known and the restoration of all things still hasn't begun. Remember, the restoration of all things is yet future to us:

Therefore, thus saith the Lord unto you, with whom the priesthood hath continued through the lineage of your fathers—for ye are lawful heirs, according to the flesh, and have been hid from the world with Christ in God—therefore your life and the priesthood have remained, and must needs remain through you and your lineage UNTIL the restoration of all things spoken by the mouths of all the holy prophets since the world began. (D&C 86:8-10)

We are certainly in the last days. We have wars and rumors of wars, immense evil and violence, almost daily deadly terror attacks across the globe, whoredoms, pornography at every turn, etc.

When the star of Bethlehem appeared to mark the birth of our Savior Jesus Christ, not many knew its significance at the time. Now this could just be any old random eclipse. However there are so many coincidences with it; especially how it lines up with fall feast timelines, etc., there may be more to it. It may be a sign of things to come perhaps. Just speculation and things to ponder.

[Durzan]

No, no, no. The solar eclipse is not a sign of anything. It''s just an eclipse. The planets lining up this way and that are not signs, either. The wonders to be seen in the heavens, spoken of in the scriptures, concern the end times. We are not in the end times. These heavenly wonders and signs have nothing, whatsoever, to do with normal things like eclipses and the normal movement of planets. They have nothing to do with normal planetary alignments, either. So, this planet and that planet are aligned. Big deal. It means absolutely nothing.

When the real signs start happening in the heavens, they will be big things, unusual things, like the planets moving out of their places and coming closer to earth and to each other, so that instead of tiny specks in the sky, they will be great big imposing spheres, terrifying orbs, with rings and dust and lightning and interplanetary lightning and so on. They will be huge comets coming into the solar system, causing a re-arrangement of things, of the planets and moons and asteroids and so forth. The sky will become like a huge stage with all the celestial objects acting out things which, in appearance, look like things on earth or in fictional stories (like dragons, etc.) and none of this stuff will be tiny dots in the sky, but terrifyingly close, so that we see all the colors and interactions between these heavenly bodies in great detail. No telescope needed.

But none of this end times heavenly stuff starts without Elias. So, everybody can just chill. Elias hasn't stood up, yet. No Elias, no heavenly signs. That's how it works. Remember the key the scribes and Jesus both gave about Elias:

And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must FIRST come?

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall FIRST come, and restore all things. (Matthew 17:10-11)

Elias still hasn't made his presence known and the restoration of all things still hasn't begun. Remember, the restoration of all things is yet future to us:

Therefore, thus saith the Lord unto you, with whom the priesthood hath continued through the lineage of your fathers—for ye are lawful heirs, according to the flesh, and have been hid from the world with Christ in God—therefore your life and the priesthood have remained, and must needs remain through you and your lineage UNTIL the restoration of all things spoken by the mouths of all the holy prophets since the world began. (D&C 86:8-10)

The bible says that God put the moon, the stars, the planets, the sun, and all the other bodies in the universe up to mark times and seasons. The fact that we can predict when and where these bodies are, as well as special regular events like eclipses just testifies that these heavenly objects are doing their job. Christ says that there will be signs aplenty before his coming, but that many will not believe. Some of them may be abnormal miracles like the star that appeared over Bethlehem and the night without darkness in the Americas... while other signs may appear to be more mundane. Solar and Lunar Eclipses are signs of Times and Seasons... so take note of when and where they appear, as it usually means God has something planned around that time.

[setyourselffree]

No, no, no. The solar eclipse is not a sign of anything. It''s just an eclipse. The planets lining up this way and that are not signs, either. The wonders to be seen in the heavens, spoken of in the scriptures, concern the end times. We are not in the end times. These heavenly wonders and signs have nothing, whatsoever, to do with normal things like eclipses and the normal movement of planets. They have nothing to do with normal planetary alignments, either. So, this planet and that planet are aligned. Big deal. It means absolutely nothing.

When the real signs start happening in the heavens, they will be big things, unusual things, like the planets moving out of their places and coming closer to earth and to each other, so that instead of tiny specks in the sky, they will be great big imposing spheres, terrifying orbs, with rings and dust and lightning and interplanetary lightning and so on. They will be huge comets coming into the solar system, causing a re-arrangement of things, of the planets and moons and asteroids and so forth. The sky will become like a huge stage with all the celestial objects acting out things which, in appearance, look like things on earth or in fictional stories (like dragons, etc.) and none of this stuff will be tiny dots in the sky, but terrifyingly close, so that we see all the colors and interactions between these heavenly bodies in great detail. No telescope needed.

But none of this end times heavenly stuff starts without Elias. So, everybody can just chill. Elias hasn't stood up, yet. No Elias, no heavenly signs. That's how it works. Remember the key the scribes and Jesus both gave about Elias:

And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must FIRST come?

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall FIRST come, and restore all things. (Matthew 17:10-11)

Elias still hasn't made his presence known and the restoration of all things still hasn't begun. Remember, the restoration of all things is yet future to us:

Therefore, thus saith the Lord unto you, with whom the priesthood hath continued through the lineage of your fathers—for ye are lawful heirs, according to the flesh, and have been hid from the world with Christ in God—therefore your life and the priesthood have remained, and must needs remain through you and your lineage UNTIL the restoration of all things spoken by the mouths of all the holy prophets since the world began. (D&C 86:8-10)

Please teach me. What else needs to be restored? I was under the impression Elias showed himself to the early Saints.

[Alaris]

You cant get much more overt than the sign on 9/23 without having an actual woman give birth in the sky. Jupiter is in Virgos womb for exactly 42 weeks. Leo is Judah and Venus helps make the crown... The bright and morning star as Christ refers to himself in Revelation.

Jupiter is Tzedek in Hebrew which means righteousness... A word associated with the Davidic Servant so many times in the OT I have lost count.

The two eclipses 7 years apart that cross near the center of the new Jerusalem.. The firsts shadow touches independence and adam ondi ahman... Hits 7 cities named Salem... The root meaning of jeru-salem...on president monsons birthday....to name a few.

Nothing to see here folks.

[KerriM]

Matthew 24:32-33
Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Seems to me like each one of these signs could be looked at as another leaf coming out on the tree.

[frankcastle]

No, no, no. The solar eclipse is not a sign of anything. It''s just an eclipse. The planets lining up this way and that are not signs, either. The wonders to be seen in the heavens, spoken of in the scriptures, concern the end times. We are not in the end times. These heavenly wonders and signs have nothing, whatsoever, to do with normal things like eclipses and the normal movement of planets. They have nothing to do with normal planetary alignments, either. So, this planet and that planet are aligned. Big deal. It means absolutely nothing.

When the real signs start happening in the heavens, they will be big things, unusual things, like the planets moving out of their places and coming closer to earth and to each other, so that instead of tiny specks in the sky, they will be great big imposing spheres, terrifying orbs, with rings and dust and lightning and interplanetary lightning and so on. They will be huge comets coming into the solar system, causing a re-arrangement of things, of the planets and moons and asteroids and so forth. The sky will become like a huge stage with all the celestial objects acting out things which, in appearance, look like things on earth or in fictional stories (like dragons, etc.) and none of this stuff will be tiny dots in the sky, but terrifyingly close, so that we see all the colors and interactions between these heavenly bodies in great detail. No telescope needed.

That is exactly right. Real signs and wonders will not be the common things that happen every few years. It would be like saying tomorrows sunrise is more significant than today's was for some reason. In the Book of Mormon signs were a day a night and a day with no darkness, and three days of darkness. Things that had not been experienced before.

[FTC]

There are at least 2 solar eclipses every year across the planet. And suddenly this one is going to be a sign? I will do my best to hold in a hearty guffaw. In the end, this one turned out to not be as cataclysmic as the (local) media made it out to be.

https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/how ... lipse.html

[Alaris]

Ah the prophecy police. How I missed you guys. I will never understand the motive to sign up for an LDS discussion forum and then attempt to rain on parades and tear down people and beliefs. Sure you don't have to agree, but the manner in which the prophecy police shoot others down ... it's like they are hunting ... no that's not the word ... fishing ... no .... trolling ... yes trolling for opportunities.

troll2
trōl/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: trolling
1.
informal
make a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them.
"if people are obviously trolling then I'll delete your posts and do my best to ban you"
2.
fish by trailing a baited line along behind a boat.
"we trolled for mackerel"

Just to be clear I mean trolling in the second definition. The first obviously does not apply.

When men open their lips against [the truth] they do not injure me, but injure themselves. … When things that are of the greatest importance are passed over by weak-minded men without even a thought, I want to see truth in all its bearings and hug it to my bosom. I believe all that God ever revealed, and I never hear of a man being damned for believing too much; but they are damned for unbelief. ~ Joseph Smith

Oo there's more:

“When God offers a blessing or knowledge to a man, and he refuses to receive it, he will be damned. The Israelites prayed that God would speak to Moses and not to them; in consequence of which he cursed them with a carnal law.”11

“I have always had the satisfaction of seeing the truth triumph over error, and darkness give way before light.” ~ Joseph Smith

Do you gentlemen realize that by saying the eclipse is NOT a sign you are doing the following:

A. Definitively speaking on behalf of God
B. Attempting to prove a negative
C. _______________

I'll leave C blank, but let's just be clear that it's related to one of the definitions of trolling. Why else would someone speak on behalf of God to prove a negative if not for C.

[LatterDayLizard]

I think of events like this eclipse as a trail marker, or a reminder of what is coming further along the path. Just as "all things denote there is a God", there are signs in the heavens and on the earth in our day pointing us back to God, either as comfort for the faithful or as a warning for the wicked to repent.

[LatterDayLizard]

Still, this last eclipse felt ominous to me. The sky went dark, our dog whimpered and whined, and it was as if the whole world was still and listening, soberly.

[Seek the Truth]

Ah the prophecy police. How I missed you guys. I will never understand the motive to sign up for an LDS discussion forum and then attempt to rain on parades and tear down people and beliefs. Sure you don't have to agree, but the manner in which the prophecy police shoot others down ... it's like they are hunting ... no that's not the word ... fishing ... no .... trolling ... yes trolling for opportunities.

People that make false predictions are false prophets. I don't want to be a false prophet or associated with a false prophet. I don't want my church to be associated with false prophets. Knocking down false predictions isn't trolling or attacking peoples faith, it is the opposite.

Every end time prediction made on this forum has been totally wrong.

[Seek the Truth]

Still, this last eclipse felt ominous to me. The sky went dark, our dog whimpered and whined, and it was as if the whole world was still and listening, soberly.

Everyone was having fun where I was.

[Alaris]

Ah the prophecy police. How I missed you guys. I will never understand the motive to sign up for an LDS discussion forum and then attempt to rain on parades and tear down people and beliefs. Sure you don't have to agree, but the manner in which the prophecy police shoot others down ... it's like they are hunting ... no that's not the word ... fishing ... no .... trolling ... yes trolling for opportunities.

People that make false predictions are false prophets. I don't want to be a false prophet or associated with a false prophet. I don't want my church to be associated with false prophets. Knocking down false predictions isn't trolling or attacking peoples faith, it is the opposite.

Every end time prediction made on this forum has been totally wrong.

Thank you for your noble cause standing up for truth. As people discuss what they believe or think they aren't necessarily making a prophecy so to throw that in there like you are just doing your duty is simply not accurate. If someone makes a prediction and are wrong then that's all it is. There is a handful here who seem to get great joy in rubbing their noses in it which has the only affect of making people scared to share their predictions or beliefs. Plus it's just very sad to see so many relish in this behavior... In lds forums where some or all of these are lds themselves who are neglecting their covenants to mourn with those that mourn and comfort those that stand in need of comfort.

So most don't bother pointing this out or standing for an open civil discussion while others criticize and shut down discussions. That's what it is...and the pretext upon which these people justify their behavior is the same...which doesn't explain why they mistreat while they shut down deliberately inviting the spirit of contention. The defense I've heard from several is that Jesus was mean sometimes which of course is a disgusting pretext upon which to mistreat others online.

So to recap...My only intent here is to call out those who love to shut down and stand up for an open civil discussion where we can foster an atmosphere of peaceful, inviting interactions. The spirit bears witness of truth when it is spoken. No criticism needed...no shutting or belittling needed.

I probably should ignore them. Yet my covenant says to me I should witness to you all and I have a sacred responsibility to call you to stand a little taller. Disagree? Sure. Try doing it not only with respect but with love.

Knocking down people who see God in heavenly eclipses IS trolling. You cannot prove it wasn't a sign... In fact that is much more difficult to prove a negative. If anything positive happens in the next days or weeks or even something negative to the wicked it will be much easier to prove it was a sign from God. So to knock people for seeing God in a solar eclipse is truly pathetic.

[Seek the Truth]

Lol are you confronting me?

[BeNotDeceived]

There are at least 2 solar eclipses every year across the planet. And suddenly this one is going to be a sign? I will do my best to hold in a hearty guffaw. In the end, this one turned out to not be as cataclysmic as the (local) media made it out to be.

https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/how ... lipse.html

Millions of stars, but one was the Star of Bethlehem.

[Alaris]

Lol are you confronting me?

Wow that's what you took from that? I'm confronting anyone who tries to shut down people for making predictions which doesn't make them prophets and certainly not false prophets. It's a sad, sad thing to troll LDS discussion forums looking for opportunities not just to shut people down but rub their noses in it. Am I confronting you? I don't know, are you guilty of any of those sad, pathetic behaviors? If so, then you bet I am.

[Seek the Truth]

Lol ok if you get to do it you have to let other people do it too.

[Alaris]

Lol ok if you get to do it you have to let other people do it too.

I'm sorry I'm terrible with pronouns, so I have no idea what "it" is. Whatever "it" is I'm sure I'd be OK with "it" because I don't hold anyone to any standards to which I don't hold myself. A lot of your posts today look rather sour. Did you have a bad day? I'd be happy to hear about it if you want to PM me, but please don't take it out on people who are here to just discuss the gospel for the most part and not shoot or be shot down in a blaze of negativity.

[Seek the Truth]

Lol bro if you get to be doctrine/forum police you have to let other people do it too. If you get to confront people you have to let other people confront people. Pretty simple. If you get to call out what you think is negative then you have to let other people do it too.

[Alaris]

Lol bro if you get to be doctrine/forum police you have to let other people do it too. If you get to confront people you have to let other people confront people. Pretty simple. If you get to call out what you think is negative then you have to let other people do it too.

Deal! :ymhug:

Hey I'll gladly wear the title "Troll Police" I'd wear it as a T-Shirt. Trolling bugs me anywhere ... and it gets even more deeply under my skin when I see people doing it with freaking scriptures to other LDS.

For example: "Lol's" are generally considered trollish behavior unless you are loling with me or at my awesome humor (of which there are plenty of examples.) What I take very seriously is LDS shaming other LDS online and I've seen people drop off threads who would have otherwise would likely have persisted. I'm glad BrianM is loose on his policing, because we can and should police each other and help each other keep our covenants to love one another at church or anywhere--including here. This is the spirit of correction Joseph Smith tried to teach the saints because ZION can never be established if we can't ever admit when we are wrong or try to elevate ourselves to the next level.

Another tip is to think, "How would I treat this person if they were present?" It's easy to slip in the way we treat each other behind the warm cushion of anonymity. We all do it. I do it. If I do, please call me out on it. I have and will apologize when I am wrong. I guarantee you that you wouldn't LOL in my face and it's not because I'm 6'3 and 3/4 " - OK maybe that has something to with it but the point is we would ALL be more civil if we were discussing verbally in a closed room together--OK most of us would. ;)

[Seek the Truth]

It's interesting that those that complain about policing the loudest end up being the strongest policers. So noble, your war against trolling. Another way to look at it is one man's troll is another man's freedom fighter.

Lol.

[Alaris]

It's interesting that those that complain about policing the loudest end up being the strongest policers. So noble, your war against trolling. Another way to look at it is one man's troll is another man's freedom fighter.

Lol.

Yeah that sounds hypocritical doesn't it? Yet we are both raining on different parades for different reasons. I'll rain on the troll parade all day long bro.

Edit: Here's a quote for you to consider. I hope you have a testimony of the Prophet Joseph Smith like I do.

In April 1843, Pelatiah Brown sought to silence certain critics of the LDS Church by stretching and twisting the meaning of passages from the book of Revelation to make his point. After Brother Brown had been disciplined for doing so, Joseph Smith said: “I did not like the old man being called up for erring in doctrine. It looks too much like the Methodist, and not like the Latterday Saints. Methodists have creeds which a man must believe or be asked out of their church. I want the liberty of thinking and believing as I please. It feels so good not to be trammeled. It does not prove that a man is not a good man because he errs in doctrine.

From: https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/selected-a ... ing-church

If you can find a quote on Joseph Smith saying we should be free to treat each other how we please, I'll reconsider my noble war.