Who believes that the Second Coming is close?

[BeNotDeceived]

The 7 bad years may be cut short due to sincere pleading of the righteous. :ymhug:

What is the reference for this?

And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

And plagues shall go forth, and they shall not be taken from the earth until I have completed my work, which shall be cut short in righteousness—

The Soul’s Sincere Desire

Jesus Christ taught with a parable “that men ought always to pray, and not to faint.” He told of a judge who did not honor God and did not have any regard for mankind. Repeatedly, a widow came before him, pleading to be avenged of her adversary. For a while, the judge would off˜er her no relief. But as a result of her faithful, consistent pleading, the judge finally thought, “Because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.”

Then Jesus explained:“Shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him . . . ?“

I tell you that he will avenge them speedily.”And then the Lord asks this question: “Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he not find faith on the earth?”

Prayer is essential to developing faith. When the Lord comes again, will He find a people who know how to pray in faith and who are prepared to receive salvation? “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” ...

Nibley's Commentary on the Book of Mormon

It's a well known principle. ""Because of the prayers of the righteous, they [the others] were spared."

[OCDMOM]

In the 80's I had twins. The DR said he had never seen so many twins and triplets being born. Everybody in Utah county was having twins. Now a lot of children are being born with Autism. I have heard that those born with mental disabilities were the ones to escort Lucifer and his followers from Heaven. They would be the last spirits to gain a body. If this is true it is soon.

[Z2100]

]They would be the last spirits to gain a body. If this is true it is soon.

The last spirits to be born before the Second Coming? People will continue to be born until the end of the world.

[shotx]

One of my favorite scripture passages is in Isaiah 55, where the Lord patiently reminds us that he does not operate on the same plane of thought and vision as us.

Every single one of us lives in a bubble. We are each one individual in an impossibly large world, inescapably chained to our own narrow views and environments. Even the most well-traveled person will barely scratch the surface of all there is to see, learn, and understand on this planet - and that's just judging by manmade standards. How can any of us expect to possibly gain enough knowledge to see and understand the *when* part of the second coming, when even the angels in heaven don't know?

I have no idea when the second coming will be, and I don't believe any person walking on this planet has a much better idea than I do. I try not to think about it too much, and I don't think God intends for me to worry about it, because that sort of misses the point.

[Michelle]

One of my favorite scripture passages is in Isaiah 55, where the Lord patiently reminds us that he does not operate on the same plane of thought and vision as us.

Every single one of us lives in a bubble. We are each one individual in an impossibly large world, inescapably chained to our own narrow views and environments. Even the most well-traveled person will barely scratch the surface of all there is to see, learn, and understand on this planet - and that's just judging by human standards. How can any of us expect to possibly gain enough knowledge to see and understand the *when* part of the second coming, when even the angels in heaven don't know?

I have no idea when the second coming is, and I don't believe any person walking on this planet has a much better idea than I do. I try not to think about it too much, and I don't think God intends for me to worry about the specifics, because that sort of misses the point.

Why would he give us signs if we were to ignore them? He tells us to be prepared and pay attention so that it doesn't overtake us like a thief in the night.

[shotx]

Why would he give us signs if we were to ignore them? He tells us to be prepared and pay attention so that it doesn't overtake us like a thief in the night.

I think the point of signs is to help us generally understand and keep the faith that God is working among us. I don't believe the signs are intended to give us a guide or a timeline with any usable specifics.

[Michelle]

Why would he give us signs if we were to ignore them? He tells us to be prepared and pay attention so that it doesn't overtake us like a thief in the night.

I think the point of the signs is to help us to generally get a glimpse of the bigger picture and understand and keep the faith that God is working among us. I don't believe the signs are intended to give us a guide or a timeline with any usable specifics.

That doesn't follow the pattern of him telling Samuel 5 years more, or the prophecy that there won't be a rainbow for a year, or even giving exact times like 42 month or the number of days for different events.

[MMbelieve]

In the 80's I had twins. The DR said he had never seen so many twins and triplets being born. Everybody in Utah county was having twins. Now a lot of children are being born with Autism. I have heard that those born with mental disabilities were the ones to escort Lucifer and his followers from Heaven. They would be the last spirits to gain a body. If this is true it is soon.

This year I read a statistic that within 10 years 1 out of 2 children born will have autism. Now this is just accounting for autism, nothing else.

[MMbelieve]

One of my favorite scripture passages is in Isaiah 55, where the Lord patiently reminds us that he does not operate on the same plane of thought and vision as us.

Every single one of us lives in a bubble. We are each one individual in an impossibly large world, inescapably chained to our own narrow views and environments. Even the most well-traveled person will barely scratch the surface of all there is to see, learn, and understand on this planet - and that's just judging by human standards. How can any of us expect to possibly gain enough knowledge to see and understand the *when* part of the second coming, when even the angels in heaven don't know?

I have no idea when the second coming is, and I don't believe any person walking on this planet has a much better idea than I do. I try not to think about it too much, and I don't think God intends for me to worry about the specifics, because that sort of misses the point.

Why would he give us signs if we were to ignore them? He tells us to be prepared and pay attention so that it doesn't overtake us like a thief in the night.

Exactly! I believe that members of this church specifically and even other christian religions should know at least the year that it will occure. Those with greater spiritual insight and sensitivity/discernment may know the very month he will appear. IMO of course.

[shotx]

That doesn't follow the pattern of him telling Samuel 5 years more, or the prophecy that there won't be a rainbow for a year, or even giving exact times like 42 month or the number of days for different events.

Heavenly Father can give us all the specific information He wants, or He can give us none. In the scriptures, He has done both at different times in different situations. With regards to the second coming, we've been told that - quite literally - nobody but Him knows. At some point maybe He'll tell us more, but until then I'm not going to worry too much about timing.

[shotx]

Those with greater spiritual insight and sensitivity/discernment may know the very month he will appear. IMO of course.

In my experience, few things in this life are more spiritually dangerous to a person than a conviction that they have been "blessed" with unique spiritual insights, not generally given to an "average" church member.

[Michelle]

That doesn't follow the pattern of him telling Samuel 5 years more, or the prophecy that there won't be a rainbow for a year, or even giving exact times like 42 month or the number of days for different events.

Heavenly Father can give us all the specific information He wants, or He can give us none. In the scriptures, He has done both at different times in different situations. With regards to the second coming, we've been told that - quite literally - nobody but Him knows. At some point maybe He'll tell us more, but until then I'm not going to worry too much about timing.

Both the 42 months and the number of days are prophecies he's given about the Second Coming specifically in Daniel. I'm not guessing the day or the hour, but with those kind of specifics and others he's given regarding the Second Coming, we don't need special revelation, just ears to hear and eyes to see.

[Yahtzee]

I love thinking and speculating how soon it might be. I enjoy looking forward to it! But I've had enough people tell me they were absolutely sure it would happen in the year 2000 +/-5 that I don't trust anything. 2033 sounds like it would fit so I like going with that, but dating could be so off that it could be 2133 for all I know. Right nowI think Africa needs more time with the missionaries before anything cataclysmic happens. If I see missionaries in mainland China in my lifetime, I'll think it's much farther away. Too often I focus on the US and forget it's a world wide church.

[Sunain]

I think we've reached a point of no return that no world government will be able to solve the problems of the world, despite the fact that they say they can. The new world order will make people believe that they can solve it but at this point it will take divine intervention through the return of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to be able to accomplish that feat. My best educated guess is still the 2030's. President Nelson has said recently that we are pretty close as it is.

[friendsofthe]

Wow, when I started this thread this morning I had no idea so many would respond. Thanks to one and all for voicing your views. It was fun reading what I consider to be a pretty divers set of opinions.

I’m going to say that on average the members of this forum think the Second Coming is a ways off still. I also think that forum members tend to be more watchful and involved upon this topic than most the people in my home ward and stake.

I’m going to suppose that I have just about the shortest view time wise of anyone on this forum. If you’ve read my recent blogs you know what I’m talking about. I’m somewhat hesitant to just come right out and give you my timeline without all of the supporting scriptural justification…. But, going to do it anyway.

As many of you know, I think we are in the 42 months. I believe it started last fall around election time. I think we are in the countdown to major destruction in the spring of 2020. By major destruction I mean a nuclear WWIII. This will be the burning of the whore (globalists) by the beast (communist nations). Given what we hear in the news it looks more likely every day. Please read The Beast and the Whore for more details.
http://thebridegroomcometh.net/the-beast-and-the-whore/

Obviously, such and event would bring America to its knees over night. Then we would see Orson Pratt’s prophecy fulfilled where he said:

“Well then, to return to the prophesying, when the time shall come that the Lord shall waste away this nation, he will give commandment to this people to return and possess their own inheritance which they purchased some forty-four years ago in the state of Missouri”. (Gerald N. Lund, The Coming of the Lord ,110.)

When we return Jackson County we shall fulfill the scriptural mandate “Behold, and lo, the Bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him”. So there’s my timeline, sweet and simple. Oh, and very near in the future!

WWIII = spring of 2020.
Trek back to Jackson County = summer of 2020.
Coming of the Bridegroom = fall of 2020.

[gangbusters]

Wow, when I started this thread this morning I had no idea so many would respond. Thanks to one and all for voicing your views. It was fun reading what I consider to be a pretty divers set of opinions.

I’m going to say that on average the members of this forum thinks the Second Coming is a ways off still. I also think that forum members tend to be more watchful and involved upon this topic than most the people in my home ward and stake.

I’m going to suppose that I have just about the shortest view time wise of anyone on this forum. If you’ve read my recent blogs you know what I’m talking about. I’m somewhat hesitant to just come right out and give you my timeline without all of the supporting scriptural justification…. But, going to do it anyway.

As many of you know, I think we are in the 42 months. I believe it started last fall around election time. I think we are in the countdown to major destruction in the spring of 2020. By major destruction I mean a nuclear WWIII. This will be the burning of the whore (globalists) by the beast (communist nations). Given what we hear in the news it looks more likely every day. Please read The Beast and the Whore for more details.
http://thebridegroomcometh.net/the-beast-and-the-whore/

Obviously, such and event would bring America to its knees over night. Then we would see Orson Pratt’s prophecy fulfilled where he said:

“Well then, to return to the prophesying, when the time shall come that the Lord shall waste away this nation, he will give commandment to this people to return and possess their own inheritance which they purchased some forty-four years ago in the state of Missouri”. (Gerald N. Lund, The Coming of the Lord ,110.)

When we return Jackson County we shall fulfill the scriptural mandate “Behold, and lo, the Bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him”. So there’s my timeline, sweet and simple. Oh, and very near in the future!

WWIII = spring of 2020.
Trek back to Jackson County = summer of 2020.
Coming of the Bridegroom = fall of 2020.

I'll give you credit, you're really bold in your prediction! I've always hoped that if I'm alive during the tribulations that I'm at least young enough to handle it physically.

While I'm not sold on 2020, who am I to say it couldn't happen? It will, after all, be as it was in the days of Noah. And we know how surprised the people were when it started raining.

[Seek the Truth]

I’m going to say that on average the members of this forum thinks the Second Coming is a ways off still.

That would be a new development.

The tribulations and trials sound pretty bad, so I remind myself, the worst plague was the black plague. We are not close to that.

The worst war was WWII. We are not close to that.

The worst famines were Mao's death fields. We are not close to that.

The worst persecutions we are not close to.

So being realistic...

[friendsofthe]

Seek the truth wrote:
That would be a new development.

The tribulations and trials sound pretty bad, so I remind myself, the worst plague was the black plague. We are not close to that.

The worst war was WWII. We are not close to that.

The worst famines were Mao's death fields. We are not close to that.

The worst persecutions we are not close to.

So being realistic...

But don’t forget what the Lord told his followers…

42 For it shall be with them, as it was in the days which were before the flood; for until the day that Noah entered into the ark they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage;

We can expect business as usual, like in the days of Noah and then one day the dodo will hit the fan and before we know it the Lord will be here…

[gardener4life]

Regardless of how soon you think it is, its interesting that the awareness of mayhem tribulations on the rise is very obvious and escalating faster than we can foresee it. The social unrest alone this year is at many times greater than it ever has been and is increasing. People are starting to accept social unrest from desensitization but it didn't used to be normal for a daily episode of it. I just saw another news article of several cops killed today. We used to only read about those things once per year, not once per day. So even if you don't think it will happen now, the tribulations are increasing a lot.

I still think people are kidding themselves that they have time and that during that time they won't be helping their families prepare because they think there will be time later to do so. If you don't spiritually prepare them now to have a strong enduring faith, you won't be able to play catch up later when MORE mayhem and tribulations are occurring. The distractions will be more later, so how will you reach their hearts to grow a testimony then? The stability that is fragile like held now you can use to increase family members faith, but when there isn't peace in the land or when there's less peace than now you won't be able to do catch up then. This is why you don't want to wait on growing family members' testimonies and be casually asleep. Sleeping at the wheel and playing it casual until the last minute is definitely not going to work.

Here's something interesting I found.

This is a Wilford Woodruff quote; its interesting because it shows that following the prophet and apostles is real.

"I want to bear testimony to this congregation, and to the heavens and the earth, that the day is come when those angels are privileged to go forth and commence their work. They are laboring in the United States of America; they are laboring among the nations of the Earth; and they will continue. We need not marvel or wonder at anything that is transpiring in the Earth. The People of the world do not comprehend the revelations of God. They did not in the days of the Jews; yet all that the prophets had spoken concerning them came to pass. so in our day these things will come to pass. I heard the Prophet Joseph bear his testimony to these events that would transpire in the Earth...We cannot draw a veil over the events that await this generation..."

Then later he continued the same thought elsewhere...and it was quoted by several others including Harold B Lee with very similar wording...and this is what we should focus on.

"...Can you tell me where the people are who will be shielded and protected from these calamities and judgments which are even now at our doors? I'll tell you. The Priesthood of God, who honor their Priesthood, and who are worthy of their blessings, are the only ones who shall have their safety and protection. They are the only mortal beings. No other people have a right to be shielded from these judgments. They are at our very doors; not even this people will escape them entirely. They will come down like the judgments of Sodom and Gomorrah. And none but the Priesthood will be safe from their fury...

God has held the angels of destruction for many years lest they should reap down the wheat with the tares. But I want to tell you now, those angels have left the portals of heaven, and they stand over this people and this nation now, and are hovering over the Earth waiting to pour out the judgments. And from this very day they shall be poured out. Calamities and troubles are increasing in the Earth, and there is a meaning to these things. remember this, and reflect upon these matters. If you do your duty, and I do my duty, we shall have protection, and shall pass through the afflictions in peace and safety. Read the Scriptures and Revelations. They will tell you about these things. Great changes are at our doors. The next twenty years will see mighty changes among the nations of the Earth. You will live to see these things whether I do or not. I have felt oppressed with the weight of these matters, and I felt I must speak of them here. It is by the power of the Gospel we shall escape. (Era, vol. 17, p 1164; June 1894)

20 years later WW1 began. And he said that way back in 1894...

[thatonemormongirl]

With all of the physical signs, I am sure that it is in our life times. I found out from an LDS youtuber that Monday's eclipse is a rare one because the eclipses are usually 70 years apart and the next one is 7 years after this one in 2024... 7 years... 7 years tribulations and guess where the two lines cross in America?? Missouri. Right next to the Garden on eden. I don't think that this is a coincidence. Think about it, I think it was D&C and Revelations that said that there will be signs in the sky... Matthew said that the Sun will grow dark and cease to shine.

Matthew 24:29 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Sorry but that was all I could find because It's 3:30 AM and I should sleep and that took me an hour.

[friendsofthe]

Gangbusters wrote:
I'll give you credit, you're really bold in your prediction! I've always hoped that if I'm alive during the tribulations that I'm at least young enough to handle it physically.

While I'm not sold on 2020, who am I to say it couldn't happen? It will, after all, be as it was in the days of Noah. And we know how surprised the people were when it started raining.

Ya, you are correct…. It may appear to be a bit bold but it’s based upon years of research and refinement. However, I don’t expect anyone to take my word for it. The results of my research are very scripture based and are freely available on my web site. My I suggest you read the three following blogs (in order) to quickly get up to speed as to why I believe as I do…

http://thebridegroomcometh.net/the-beast-and-the-whore/

http://thebridegroomcometh.net/and-at-t ... -stand-up/

http://thebridegroomcometh.net/a-time-a ... g-of-time/

[MMbelieve]

Those with greater spiritual insight and sensitivity/discernment may know the very month he will appear. IMO of course.

In my experience, few things in this life are more spiritually dangerous to a person than a conviction that they have been "blessed" with unique spiritual insights, not generally given to an "average" church member.

The average church member is not what I want to be like!
I think I know what your saying and I just want you to know that I was not referring to any higher than thou or I'm a prophet or I get revelation or whatever. I am referring to the whisperings of the Holy Ghost which every member is entitled to based on their degree of righteousness (companionship) and sensitivity (recognizing).

A mother can know the child is ready to birth and where this child is during the birthing....I believe that members ought to know the same regarding Christ returning.
He comes as a thief in the night to the wicked and those asleep not to those watching and prepared.

I also know that there are gifts given to all of us, we do not have the same gifts but can with prayer and dedication receive all the gilts of God. The idea that we are all the same is false. We are not. I certainly won't be singing with the tabernacle choir! But...I suppose with years and years of professional practice I might be able to but still maybe not in this life.

We are all given talents, gifts, and abilities and I wholeheartedly believe this to be true!

[MMbelieve]

Seek the truth wrote:
That would be a new development.

The tribulations and trials sound pretty bad, so I remind myself, the worst plague was the black plague. We are not close to that.

The worst war was WWII. We are not close to that.

The worst famines were Mao's death fields. We are not close to that.

The worst persecutions we are not close to.

So being realistic...

But don’t forget what the Lord told his followers…

42 For it shall be with them, as it was in the days which were before the flood; for until the day that Noah entered into the ark they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage;

We can expect business as usual, like in the days of Noah and then one day the dodo will hit the fan and before we know it the Lord will be here…

And that is what is difficult. We think of calamaties and famine, death and destruction walking zombies or whatever....but we also know that everything will be normal. People will be working in the field still (says we're not in a famine) and people will still be getting married (says there is not a wave of doom in the air) and people will still be having get togethers and parties (not everyone is dead and we have enough food to waste).

I am leaning more towards it can happen very soon. Relating it to the birthing pains - we are in the final stages of labor or beginning the birthing process. I know it can still take a bit once birthing begins.

[captainfearnot]

Wherever you put the over-under on the Second Coming, I'll take the over.

[LDS Physician]

WWIII = spring of 2020.
Trek back to Jackson County = summer of 2020.
Coming of the Bridegroom = fall of 2020.

I love your blog and research...I have read it all.

I do believe differently than your prediction however. We know that the battle of Armageddon will last 42 months before the 2 prophets are slain. It is soon thereafter that Christ appears to the remaining Jews as they flee into the split Mt. Of Olives. And that isn't even His "2nd Coming". That happens at a later date.

It's practically 2018. How can you predict the 2nd Coming when Armageddon - a battle which will last 3.5 years - hasn't even begun yet? If it started tomorrow, his appearance to the Jews wouldn't be until 2020, end. And that appearance, as said, isn't the 2nd coming in glory.

I think more needs to happen. As things are now if Israel were attacked the US would be in the mix. We know the US won't be in the mix at Armageddon. This is why I think there is more time. The US needs to be cleansed, or at least disabled by tribulations. Soon, I bet!