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http://www.dailywire.com/news/17202/fas ... en-shapiro

According to Heat Street, Ontario has now passed a law that would allow the government to invade your home and strip you of your child if your little Billy comes home from school one day and announces he’s a girl, and you have the temerity to tell him that he is not in fact a girl. By a shockingly broad margin of 63 to 23, The Supporting Children, Youth and Families Act of 2017 passed through the Ontario legislature. It tells child services and judges to consider factors including “race, ancestry, place of origin, color, ethnic origin, citizenship, family diversity, disability, creed, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression” in removing a child from the home. Michael Coteau, Minister of Child and Family Services, was explicit in his tyranny: “I would consider that a form of abuse, when a child identifies one way and a caregiver is saying no, you need to do this differently. If it’s abuse, and if it’s within the definition, a child can be removed from that environment and placed into protection where the abuse stops.”

If all of this sounds bizarre, that’s because it is. It’s also fascism. To remove a child from the home because the government disagrees with basic biology is beyond the pale of the reasonable.

Unfortunately, it won’t be long before leftists in the United States push the same thing.

The first step on that road is the widely-acclaimed spate of legislation banning so-called “conversion therapy” for children with homosexual tendencies. This isn’t an argument in favor of the efficacy of “conversion therapy,” which is iffy even in the best cases. But if a child is disturbed by homosexual feelings and you bring that child to a therapist to talk it through, that would now be considered illegal in states including California and New Jersey. As Scott Shackleford of Reason explains:
Bans on conversion therapy, though, are fundamentally censorship of an idea, and there is a slippery slope and consequences that people with narrow interests in halting abusive treatment of gay and transgender teens simply do not grasp. This isn't a ban on a particular dangerous technique, like electroshock treatment, for example. It's a ban on anything — even just speech — coming from a licensed therapist that suggests homosexuality can be cured. It is dangerous to allow the government to control the classification of speech and to recast speech as something else just because commerce is involved.

The next step will undoubtedly be removing children from parents who pursue such therapy in spite of the ban, purportedly for the good of the child.

The left’s next step could be to remove accreditation from schools that do not traffic in LGBT advocacy; after all, California has attempted to remove non-profit status from the Boy Scouts. Schools in California have now mandated that children learn about LGBT history in public schools. What happens when people home school, and the state decides that home schooling is inappropriate for children if they aren’t taught the state’s educational approach? It’s not difficult to imagine child protective services removing children whose parents won’t teach them “positively” about the full spectrum of sexual orientation — in the “interests of the child,” of course.

Or leftists could skip directly to the Ontario scenario. They could claim that transgender children are being shackled by their bigoted parents, and must be protected by the state.

This is frightening stuff. It’s particularly frightening not only for religious parents, but for anyone who understands that there is little evidence that transgender feelings among children are unchanging (the vast majority of children with such feelings grow out of them) or that boys cannot actually become girls. In Ontario, the state has now placed itself in direct opposition to science and freedom. In the United States, the movement to do the same must be stopped before families are torn apart on behalf of a propagandistic sexual agenda.

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This is so your child can be raised by the village. I'm sure you've heard the saying, "It takes a village".

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I really, really wanted to be a boy when I was a child. I was a total tomboy; great at sports, hated girly things, and loved bugs and the outdoors. I finally got my mom to let me get a short haircut and someone mistook me for a boy-it was one if the happiest days of my childhood.
So I am HORRIFIED when I hear about this kind of stuff! I can't begin to imagine the psychological damage that would have occurred had I been born 30 years later. I would have thought it a dream come true as a child if I could have become a boy. My teachers and parents would have been forced to allow this.
As it turns out, I just hated wearing dresses and didn't want to go through puberty. My 9 year old mind couldn't grasp that kind of self awareness though. Any child psychologist who endorses this should lose their license!!

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Evil changes will continue until God fearing people finally say enough is enough. These acts are in line with socialism, the deteriorating of society and turning us into a mob of unprincipled sheep under Government control.
We'll either have to make a stand at some point or end up slaves to Satan. And if the church does not take a stand the gospel will no more go out to all the world.

But what do I know?

I appeal to those reading this post to go to this website and read...:

The New World Order – An Analysis For Latter-day Saints

Contents:

Chapter One
Follow The Prophet
1. The Prophet Is Like Unto Moses
2. Giving Heed To All The Prophet’s Words
3. There Is Safety In Following The Prophet
4. Use The Prophet’s Words To Evaluate The Words Of All Others

Chapter Two
The Prophet And The Constitution
1. Constitution Established By God For All Mankind
2. The Crisis Of The Constitution
3. The New World Order — A Threat To The Constitution
4. Saving The Constitution

Chapter Three
The Prophet’s Warning
1. Secret Combinations
2. Moroni’s Urgent Appeal
3. Most Abominable and Wicked Above All
4. Seducing The Righteous
5. We Must Awake

Chapter Four
Every Citizen Of Every Country
1. Don’t Confuse Me With Facts
2. Socialism— Royal Road To Power For The Super-Rich
3. YOU Are The Answer

Conclusion
1. Becoming Informed
2. Now Is The Time

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onefour1 wrote: June 7th, 2017, 1:30 am This is so your child can be raised by the village. I'm sure you've heard the saying, "It takes a village".
Yep, good ole HC...

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eddie wrote: June 7th, 2017, 5:23 am
onefour1 wrote: June 7th, 2017, 1:30 am This is so your child can be raised by the village. I'm sure you've heard the saying, "It takes a village".
Yep, good ole HC...
The big question that's never asked, is, who is going to run this "village"? The power elite, or the brethren and sisters of the church?
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David13 wrote: June 7th, 2017, 8:17 am
eddie wrote: June 7th, 2017, 5:23 am
onefour1 wrote: June 7th, 2017, 1:30 am This is so your child can be raised by the village. I'm sure you've heard the saying, "It takes a village".
Yep, good ole HC...
The big question that's never asked, is, who is going to run this "village"? The power elite, or the brethren and sisters of the church?
dc
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You think this is bad, wait till the amendments to the criminal code become law later this year in Canada. https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtop ... 20&t=44053

Most members in the church here have no idea what's gone on in the last two years in Canada. It's like the church completely gave up once gay marriage became legal and isn't bothering to fight. Perhaps that's the stance they've taken and just won't tell us here. Let the laws pass and don't oppose things anymore because it makes us look bad. Or they realize it's a fight we weren't going to win anyhow. Perhaps letting things go bad will hasten the second coming. It won't be long till many things we teach at church will be against the law because it will be considered a hate crime to teach it.

It's sad when Russia is doubling down on issues like these. It's like the roll reversal in the Book of Mormon when the Lamanites became more righteous than the Nephites.

I think the USA isn't far behind Canada now but laws like these won't pass until the Democrats regain power.

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Sunain wrote: June 7th, 2017, 9:03 am You think this is bad, wait till the amendments to the criminal code become law later this year in Canada. https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtop ... 20&t=44053

Most members in the church here have no idea what's gone on in the last two years in Canada. It's like the church completely gave up once gay marriage became legal and isn't bothering to fight. Perhaps that's the stance they've taken and just won't tell us here. Let the laws pass and don't oppose things anymore because it makes us look bad. Perhaps letting things go bad will hasten the second coming. It won't be long till many things we teach at church will be against the law because it will be considered a hate crime to teach it.

It's sad when Russia is doubling down on issues like these. It's like the roll reversal in the Book of Mormon when the Lamanites became more righteous than the Nephites.

I don't think it is like that. I think the church has educated us on what needs to be done, and now they are just waiting for us to take action and do it. The church isn't/can't do it for us. We have to want it and be willing to take a stand and act, instead of merely being acted upon. The problem outlined in the original post can only be fixed by the sane people stepping up, taking back power, and correcting the course. The church can't do this, only the majority of individuals acting with "one heart and one mind" can.

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mes5464 wrote: June 7th, 2017, 9:14 am
Sunain wrote: June 7th, 2017, 9:03 am You think this is bad, wait till the amendments to the criminal code become law later this year in Canada. https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtop ... 20&t=44053

Most members in the church here have no idea what's gone on in the last two years in Canada. It's like the church completely gave up once gay marriage became legal and isn't bothering to fight. Perhaps that's the stance they've taken and just won't tell us here. Let the laws pass and don't oppose things anymore because it makes us look bad. Perhaps letting things go bad will hasten the second coming. It won't be long till many things we teach at church will be against the law because it will be considered a hate crime to teach it.

It's sad when Russia is doubling down on issues like these. It's like the roll reversal in the Book of Mormon when the Lamanites became more righteous than the Nephites.

I don't think it is like that. I think the church has educated us on what needs to be done, and now they are just waiting for us to take action and do it. The church isn't/can't do it for us. We have to want it and be willing to take a stand and act, instead of merely being acted upon. The problem outlined in the original post can only be fixed by the sane people stepping up, taking back power, and correcting the course. The church can't do this, only the majority of individuals acting with "one heart and one mind" can.
When gay marriage laws were going through parliament, the church brought up the issue in sacrament meeting many times, referred us to ways where we could get more information on the issues, told us to write our MP's, ect. I haven't even hear a peep about this issue. The church did similar things in California for prop8 and just recent told people in Mexico to fight against the gay marriage.
http://kutv.com/news/local/defeated-in- ... -to-mexico

I agree that there isn't much the church can do, but they could at bare minimum inform members of the issue and how it would affect the church in Canada. There is under 200k members on the records here in Canada, so other than contacting our MP's with our opinion, there isn't much we can do with a majority government that wants the law passed.

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mes5464 wrote: June 7th, 2017, 9:14 am
Sunain wrote: June 7th, 2017, 9:03 am You think this is bad, wait till the amendments to the criminal code become law later this year in Canada. https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtop ... 20&t=44053

Most members in the church here have no idea what's gone on in the last two years in Canada. It's like the church completely gave up once gay marriage became legal and isn't bothering to fight. Perhaps that's the stance they've taken and just won't tell us here. Let the laws pass and don't oppose things anymore because it makes us look bad. Perhaps letting things go bad will hasten the second coming. It won't be long till many things we teach at church will be against the law because it will be considered a hate crime to teach it.

It's sad when Russia is doubling down on issues like these. It's like the roll reversal in the Book of Mormon when the Lamanites became more righteous than the Nephites.

I don't think it is like that. I think the church has educated us on what needs to be done, and now they are just waiting for us to take action and do it. The church isn't/can't do it for us. We have to want it and be willing to take a stand and act, instead of merely being acted upon. The problem outlined in the original post can only be fixed by the sane people stepping up, taking back power, and correcting the course. The church can't do this, only the majority of individuals acting with "one heart and one mind" can.

The Church is backing down from many issues because of political correctness, the church leaders are even afraid to admit to many past "unpopular" doctrines that are now no longer taught. I understand they dont want to cause more persecution but I suspect things are headed in a direction where the Lord will not be pleased with the direction and stance the church is taking and have to eventually step in. I suspect the reason the Lord is going to change the name of his church when he comes is because he will not be pleased with his current one.

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I've pondered this question a lot lately........why does the church (I could be more specific) keep telling us to read the Book of Mormon? What is in it that is so important for us to learn? And once we learn it, what are we supposed to do about it?

The priesthood has already been charged of being apathetic, complacent and asleep.

1) the word of God only
2) compare secret combination of today with those in the past
3) learn to recognize the evils that are getting over us
4) learn the example set by Moroni and do likewise on so many accounts
5) bring down the government
6) stand up for freedom even if it means bloodshed
7) follow the example of the king-men

Do we continue on the course of complacency and just let the chips fall where they may? Is this all accounted for being peace lovers?

If we were all in a ginormous web and a spider of enormous size were approaching to eat us, what are we to do? Would God simply want us to be apathetic?

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freedomforall wrote: June 7th, 2017, 10:24 am I've pondered this question a lot lately........why does the church (I could be more specific) keep telling us to read the Book of Mormon? What is in it that is so important for us to learn? And once we learn it, what are we supposed to do about it?

The priesthood has already been charged of being apathetic, complacent and asleep.

1) the word of God only
2) compare secret combination of today with those in the past
3) learn to recognize the evils that are getting over us
4) learn the example set by Moroni and do likewise on so many accounts
5) bring down the government
6) stand up for freedom even if it means bloodshed
7) follow the example of the king-men

Do we continue on the course of complacency and just let the chips fall where they may? Is this all accounted for being peace lovers?

If we were all in a ginormous web and a spider of enormous size were approaching to eat us, what are we to do? Would God simply want us to be apathetic?

My point exactly. Do something! Act and not simply acted upon.

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mes5464 wrote: June 7th, 2017, 10:30 am
freedomforall wrote: June 7th, 2017, 10:24 am I've pondered this question a lot lately........why does the church (I could be more specific) keep telling us to read the Book of Mormon? What is in it that is so important for us to learn? And once we learn it, what are we supposed to do about it?

The priesthood has already been charged of being apathetic, complacent and asleep.

1) the word of God only
2) compare secret combination of today with those in the past
3) learn to recognize the evils that are getting over us
4) learn the example set by Moroni and do likewise on so many accounts
5) bring down the government
6) stand up for freedom even if it means bloodshed
7) follow the example of the king-men

Do we continue on the course of complacency and just let the chips fall where they may? Is this all accounted for being peace lovers?

If we were all in a ginormous web and a spider of enormous size were approaching to eat us, what are we to do? Would God simply want us to be apathetic?

My point exactly. Do something! Act and not simply acted upon.
I fear that if we, many Americans, keep hiding their head in an orifice not to be mentioned here in detail, we will eventually end up in a situation where we won't be able to do anything. We will have no freedom, no liberty; we will be subjects to a tyrannical government that will be more apt to shoot us than to look at us, it is called genocide.
I fear that Christians in this country are in a tight spot, unable to reverse the pending complete slavery of the citizenship. I am reminded of this example because it just might be way too late.
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Gage wrote: June 7th, 2017, 9:32 am
mes5464 wrote: June 7th, 2017, 9:14 am
Sunain wrote: June 7th, 2017, 9:03 am You think this is bad, wait till the amendments to the criminal code become law later this year in Canada. https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtop ... 20&t=44053

Most members in the church here have no idea what's gone on in the last two years in Canada. It's like the church completely gave up once gay marriage became legal and isn't bothering to fight. Perhaps that's the stance they've taken and just won't tell us here. Let the laws pass and don't oppose things anymore because it makes us look bad. Perhaps letting things go bad will hasten the second coming. It won't be long till many things we teach at church will be against the law because it will be considered a hate crime to teach it.

It's sad when Russia is doubling down on issues like these. It's like the roll reversal in the Book of Mormon when the Lamanites became more righteous than the Nephites.

I don't think it is like that. I think the church has educated us on what needs to be done, and now they are just waiting for us to take action and do it. The church isn't/can't do it for us. We have to want it and be willing to take a stand and act, instead of merely being acted upon. The problem outlined in the original post can only be fixed by the sane people stepping up, taking back power, and correcting the course. The church can't do this, only the majority of individuals acting with "one heart and one mind" can.

The Church is backing down from many issues because of political correctness, the church leaders are even afraid to admit to many past "unpopular" doctrines that are now no longer taught. I understand they dont want to cause more persecution but I suspect things are headed in a direction where the Lord will not be pleased with the direction and stance the church is taking and have to eventually step in. I suspect the reason the Lord is going to change the name of his church when he comes is because he will not be pleased with his current one.

This sounds just really weird. Why would he not like this church if it’s his? Yes, the church has been closing-up because of wickedness and political correctness, but Jesus doesn’t hate us. When the cleansing of America happens, Zion will become VERY strong. But for now, the church is going to start struggling because of the invasive wickedness. The church WILL become very strong; it just needs time to do so.

PS- I think you’re right about the very last thing you said. Christ will probably change the name since it won’t be the Latter-Days anymore. It’d be something like, “The Church of the Firstborn” or “The Millennial Church of Christ” or something like that.

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Sunain wrote: June 7th, 2017, 9:03 am You think this is bad, wait till the amendments to the criminal code become law later this year in Canada. https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtop ... 20&t=44053

Most members in the church here have no idea what's gone on in the last two years in Canada. It's like the church completely gave up once gay marriage became legal and isn't bothering to fight. Perhaps that's the stance they've taken and just won't tell us here. Let the laws pass and don't oppose things anymore because it makes us look bad. Or they realize it's a fight we weren't going to win anyhow. Perhaps letting things go bad will hasten the second coming. It won't be long till many things we teach at church will be against the law because it will be considered a hate crime to teach it.

It's sad when Russia is doubling down on issues like these. It's like the roll reversal in the Book of Mormon when the Lamanites became more righteous than the Nephites.

I think the USA isn't far behind Canada now but laws like these won't pass until the Democrats regain power.
To answer the questions on this board: The Atheists will NOT stop at ANYTHING until this occurs:

"Parents are not qualified to teach religion. That is because their religious educators are poorly educated and even fed false information. Parents do not teach their children many religions from an objective perspective. Rather, they tell their kids that one religion is true and they only teach the children the misinformation they get from religious their officials. That should be illegal."

(this was lifted straight off a FB post. What they aim for is the prohibition of teaching of ANY religion until you are an adult. Bring to pass what Neal Maxwell said about the government forcing IRRELIGION as the state religion).

About the first quote, that is definitely what is going on. Here in Mexico gay marriage has quickly become very popular here, to the point where every political party save one (the pro-Catholic PAN) has come out in support of it. A thought unheard of until 10 years ago when Mexico City legalized it as well as abortion out of the blue. When the marches for the family happened, the Church actively sought to have the members participate in the march (though they were NOT to hold signs like the others did). Member and nonmember alike in the big cities of Mexico protested the move.

About the second quote, I guarantee you that the Democrats will regain control of the House in 2018. They will probably regain control of the Presidency in 2020 and the Senate too.

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Gage wrote: June 7th, 2017, 9:32 am
mes5464 wrote: June 7th, 2017, 9:14 am
Sunain wrote: June 7th, 2017, 9:03 am You think this is bad, wait till the amendments to the criminal code become law later this year in Canada. https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtop ... 20&t=44053

Most members in the church here have no idea what's gone on in the last two years in Canada. It's like the church completely gave up once gay marriage became legal and isn't bothering to fight. Perhaps that's the stance they've taken and just won't tell us here. Let the laws pass and don't oppose things anymore because it makes us look bad. Perhaps letting things go bad will hasten the second coming. It won't be long till many things we teach at church will be against the law because it will be considered a hate crime to teach it.

It's sad when Russia is doubling down on issues like these. It's like the roll reversal in the Book of Mormon when the Lamanites became more righteous than the Nephites.

I don't think it is like that. I think the church has educated us on what needs to be done, and now they are just waiting for us to take action and do it. The church isn't/can't do it for us. We have to want it and be willing to take a stand and act, instead of merely being acted upon. The problem outlined in the original post can only be fixed by the sane people stepping up, taking back power, and correcting the course. The church can't do this, only the majority of individuals acting with "one heart and one mind" can.

The Church is backing down from many issues because of political correctness, the church leaders are even afraid to admit to many past "unpopular" doctrines that are now no longer taught. I understand they dont want to cause more persecution but I suspect things are headed in a direction where the Lord will not be pleased with the direction and stance the church is taking and have to eventually step in. I suspect the reason the Lord is going to change the name of his church when he comes is because he will not be pleased with his current one.
Jesus Christ directs this church through the Prophet, why would He then be upset with the way things are headed? That doesn't make sense. :-o
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freedomforall wrote: June 7th, 2017, 10:57 am
mes5464 wrote: June 7th, 2017, 10:30 am
freedomforall wrote: June 7th, 2017, 10:24 am I've pondered this question a lot lately........why does the church (I could be more specific) keep telling us to read the Book of Mormon? What is in it that is so important for us to learn? And once we learn it, what are we supposed to do about it?

The priesthood has already been charged of being apathetic, complacent and asleep.

1) the word of God only
2) compare secret combination of today with those in the past
3) learn to recognize the evils that are getting over us
4) learn the example set by Moroni and do likewise on so many accounts
5) bring down the government
6) stand up for freedom even if it means bloodshed
7) follow the example of the king-men

Do we continue on the course of complacency and just let the chips fall where they may? Is this all accounted for being peace lovers?

If we were all in a ginormous web and a spider of enormous size were approaching to eat us, what are we to do? Would God simply want us to be apathetic?

My point exactly. Do something! Act and not simply acted upon.
I fear that if we, many Americans, keep hiding their head in an orifice not to be mentioned here in detail, And they don't want to know how to pull it out. we will eventually end up in a situation where we won't be able to do anything. We will have no freedom, no liberty; we will be subjects to a tyrannical government that will be more apt to shoot us than to look at us, it is called genocide.
I fear that Christians in this country are in a tight spot, unable to reverse the pending complete slavery of the citizenship. I am reminded of this example because it just might be way too late.

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freedomforall wrote: June 7th, 2017, 10:57 am
mes5464 wrote: June 7th, 2017, 10:30 am
freedomforall wrote: June 7th, 2017, 10:24 am I've pondered this question a lot lately........why does the church (I could be more specific) keep telling us to read the Book of Mormon? What is in it that is so important for us to learn? And once we learn it, what are we supposed to do about it?

The priesthood has already been charged of being apathetic, complacent and asleep.

1) the word of God only
2) compare secret combination of today with those in the past
3) learn to recognize the evils that are getting over us
4) learn the example set by Moroni and do likewise on so many accounts
5) bring down the government
6) stand up for freedom even if it means bloodshed
7) follow the example of the king-men

Do we continue on the course of complacency and just let the chips fall where they may? Is this all accounted for being peace lovers?

If we were all in a ginormous web and a spider of enormous size were approaching to eat us, what are we to do? Would God simply want us to be apathetic?

My point exactly. Do something! Act and not simply acted upon.
I fear that if we, many Americans, keep hiding their head in an orifice not to be mentioned here in detail, we will eventually end up in a situation where we won't be able to do anything. We will have no freedom, no liberty; we will be subjects to a tyrannical government that will be more apt to shoot us than to look at us, it is called genocide.
I fear that Christians in this country are in a tight spot, unable to reverse the pending complete slavery of the citizenship. I am reminded of this example because it just might be way too late.
On a related note, we've seen multiple instances lately of boys who identify as girls participating in women's sports and crushing the competition. Amazing how people are too scared to say anything. The other kids, their parents are all too scared to demand a change.

The issue of gender dysmorphia is not well understood, yet in our society it can't even be questioned. Someone says they're a girl/boy that's good enough. These things have real world consequences. What about the sports scholarship that's stolen from an actual girl because a confused boy's feelings could have been hurt?

That's where we are. Up is down, black is white, gender isn't real. And don't you dare even ask for scientific analysis lest you be labeled a bigot and persecuted.

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I'LLMAKEYAFAMOUS wrote: June 8th, 2017, 12:49 am
freedomforall wrote: June 7th, 2017, 10:57 am
mes5464 wrote: June 7th, 2017, 10:30 am
freedomforall wrote: June 7th, 2017, 10:24 am I've pondered this question a lot lately........why does the church (I could be more specific) keep telling us to read the Book of Mormon? What is in it that is so important for us to learn? And once we learn it, what are we supposed to do about it?

The priesthood has already been charged of being apathetic, complacent and asleep.

1) the word of God only
2) compare secret combination of today with those in the past
3) learn to recognize the evils that are getting over us
4) learn the example set by Moroni and do likewise on so many accounts
5) bring down the government
6) stand up for freedom even if it means bloodshed
7) follow the example of the king-men

Do we continue on the course of complacency and just let the chips fall where they may? Is this all accounted for being peace lovers?

If we were all in a ginormous web and a spider of enormous size were approaching to eat us, what are we to do? Would God simply want us to be apathetic?

My point exactly. Do something! Act and not simply acted upon.
I fear that if we, many Americans, keep hiding their head in an orifice not to be mentioned here in detail, we will eventually end up in a situation where we won't be able to do anything. We will have no freedom, no liberty; we will be subjects to a tyrannical government that will be more apt to shoot us than to look at us, it is called genocide.
I fear that Christians in this country are in a tight spot, unable to reverse the pending complete slavery of the citizenship. I am reminded of this example because it just might be way too late.
On a related note, we've seen multiple instances lately of boys who identify as girls participating in women's sports and crushing the competition. Amazing how people are too scared to say anything. The other kids, their parents are all too scared to demand a change.

The issue of gender dysmorphia is not well understood, yet in our society it can't even be questioned. Someone says they're a girl/boy that's good enough. These things have real world consequences. What about the sports scholarship that's stolen from an actual girl because a confused boy's feelings could have been hurt?

That's where we are. Up is down, black is white, gender isn't real. And don't you dare even ask for scientific analysis lest you be labeled a bigot and persecuted.
I wonder if the "love the sinner but hate the sin stuff is part of the problem.

And who came up with political correctness crap, anyway?

What we have done by keeping our feelings stuffed inside and not expressing wrong doing, we've only given the impression that we are tolerant of sin and even excepting it. Wrong is now right and right wrong. And now evil is running the show, instead of Christian based lifestyles being examples of good living.
It is said that if we do not go against evil we are then part of it.
When a parent does not teach their children a lifestyle of doing things right, we are then teaching them to do wrong, giving the impression that whatever they do is okay...all because of saving the feelings of someone.

God loves us dearly, but he will not spare our feelings at the bar of judgement.

Do parents actually want their kids to be taught the gay lifestyle in school? Well, it's happening more and more......first Mass. now Cal. and who knows where else?

And any boy could claim to be a girl just so they can go intro a girls restroom unquestioned. Some for girls. Where does this crap stop? How much will true, honest to God Christians put up with before they are drowned in their own apathy and complacency?

My blood boils just watching people allow this crap to go on until they are consumed and overshadowed and held captive to their own slothfulness.

It's like a fully equipped soldier confronted by twenty enemy soldiers out in the open and just standing like a statue and getting blown into pieces without lifting a hand in defense.

No wonder God is going to clean house; he'll sweep off the wicked because many turned their backs on the responsibility to stand up for freedom and right, including a Christ driven moral code. Their evil attitudes helped to eradicate Christianity and not being brave enough to live it.

BTW, Christ is not going to spare anyone's feelings when he comes out of the clouds wearing red apparel and wielding a sword of vengeance! Put another way...he doesn't believe in political correctness either.

Prov. 12:2
2 A good man obtaineth favour of the Lord: but a man of wicked devices will he condemn.

Doctrine and Covenants 82:10
10 I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say; but when ye do not what I say, ye have no promise.

SEE: https://www.lds.org/scriptures/tg/promise?lang=eng

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Re: How long before the insane left pushes for this in America?

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mes5464 wrote: June 7th, 2017, 10:30 am
freedomforall wrote: June 7th, 2017, 10:24 am I've pondered this question a lot lately........why does the church (I could be more specific) keep telling us to read the Book of Mormon? What is in it that is so important for us to learn? And once we learn it, what are we supposed to do about it?

The priesthood has already been charged of being apathetic, complacent and asleep.

1) the word of God only
2) compare secret combination of today with those in the past
3) learn to recognize the evils that are getting over us
4) learn the example set by Moroni and do likewise on so many accounts
5) bring down the government
6) stand up for freedom even if it means bloodshed
7) follow the example of the king-men

Do we continue on the course of complacency and just let the chips fall where they may? Is this all accounted for being peace lovers?

If we were all in a ginormous web and a spider of enormous size were approaching to eat us, what are we to do? Would God simply want us to be apathetic?

My point exactly. Do something! Act and not simply be acted upon.
In response:

I am only one, but I am one. I can't do everything, but I can do something. The something I ought to do, I can do. And by the grace of God, I will---------------Edward Everett Hale

I hope we are helping in some degree on this forum.

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Re: How long before the insane left pushes for this in America?

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eddie wrote: June 7th, 2017, 2:47 pm
Gage wrote: June 7th, 2017, 9:32 am
mes5464 wrote: June 7th, 2017, 9:14 am
Sunain wrote: June 7th, 2017, 9:03 am You think this is bad, wait till the amendments to the criminal code become law later this year in Canada. https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtop ... 20&t=44053

Most members in the church here have no idea what's gone on in the last two years in Canada. It's like the church completely gave up once gay marriage became legal and isn't bothering to fight. Perhaps that's the stance they've taken and just won't tell us here. Let the laws pass and don't oppose things anymore because it makes us look bad. Perhaps letting things go bad will hasten the second coming. It won't be long till many things we teach at church will be against the law because it will be considered a hate crime to teach it.

It's sad when Russia is doubling down on issues like these. It's like the roll reversal in the Book of Mormon when the Lamanites became more righteous than the Nephites.

I don't think it is like that. I think the church has educated us on what needs to be done, and now they are just waiting for us to take action and do it. The church isn't/can't do it for us. We have to want it and be willing to take a stand and act, instead of merely being acted upon. The problem outlined in the original post can only be fixed by the sane people stepping up, taking back power, and correcting the course. The church can't do this, only the majority of individuals acting with "one heart and one mind" can.

The Church is backing down from many issues because of political correctness, the church leaders are even afraid to admit to many past "unpopular" doctrines that are now no longer taught. I understand they dont want to cause more persecution but I suspect things are headed in a direction where the Lord will not be pleased with the direction and stance the church is taking and have to eventually step in. I suspect the reason the Lord is going to change the name of his church when he comes is because he will not be pleased with his current one.
Jesus Christ directs this church through the Prophet, why would He then be upset with the way things are headed? That doesn't make sense. :-o

35 Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not. But behold, Jesus Christ hath shown you unto me, and I know your doing.
36 And I know that ye do walk in the pride of your hearts; and there are none save a few only who do not lift themselves up in the pride of their hearts, unto the wearing of very fine apparel, unto envying, and strifes, and malice, and persecutions, and all manner of iniquities; and your churches, yea, even every one, have become polluted because of the pride of your hearts.
37 For behold, ye do love money, and your substance, and your fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted.
38 O ye pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers, who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye ashamed to take upon you the name of Christ? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless happiness than that misery which never dies—because of the praise of the world?
39 Why do ye adorn yourselves with that which hath no life, and yet suffer the hungry, and the needy, and the naked, and the sick and the afflicted to pass by you, and notice them not?” (Mormon 8: 35-39)

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Re: How long before the insane left pushes for this in America?

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Gage wrote: June 7th, 2017, 9:32 am
mes5464 wrote: June 7th, 2017, 9:14 am
Sunain wrote: June 7th, 2017, 9:03 am You think this is bad, wait till the amendments to the criminal code become law later this year in Canada. https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtop ... 20&t=44053

Most members in the church here have no idea what's gone on in the last two years in Canada. It's like the church completely gave up once gay marriage became legal and isn't bothering to fight. Perhaps that's the stance they've taken and just won't tell us here. Let the laws pass and don't oppose things anymore because it makes us look bad. Perhaps letting things go bad will hasten the second coming. It won't be long till many things we teach at church will be against the law because it will be considered a hate crime to teach it.

It's sad when Russia is doubling down on issues like these. It's like the roll reversal in the Book of Mormon when the Lamanites became more righteous than the Nephites.

I don't think it is like that. I think the church has educated us on what needs to be done, and now they are just waiting for us to take action and do it. The church isn't/can't do it for us. We have to want it and be willing to take a stand and act, instead of merely being acted upon. The problem outlined in the original post can only be fixed by the sane people stepping up, taking back power, and correcting the course. The church can't do this, only the majority of individuals acting with "one heart and one mind" can.

The Church is backing down from many issues because of political correctness, the church leaders are even afraid to admit to many past "unpopular" doctrines that are now no longer taught. I understand they dont want to cause more persecution but I suspect things are headed in a direction where the Lord will not be pleased with the direction and stance the church is taking and have to eventually step in. I suspect the reason the Lord is going to change the name of his church when he comes is because he will not be pleased with his current one.
I don't share your perception of this. I don't view this as the church 'backing down because of political correctness', if that was the case, they wouldn't speak out on these issues--and they do. The church is still very vocal on moral issues--listen to General Conference talks, it's clear they are speaking out and making these issues clear. But, once the voice of the people has spoken, laws passed because the people choose wickedness, the church doesn't keep beating the drum in opposition to the law, because THAT will make them a target--especially in other countries, where they exist at whim and pleasure of the government. They are careful not to make a case for anyone charging that they are undermining or agitating against a country's laws and policies, which could easily have bad ramification for members and for the church and especially proselyting efforts, missionary service, temple, chapel building etc.

And as for being 'afraid to admit to many past 'unpopular' doctrines now no longer taught'...well, you said it yourself. If they are no longer taught, why should they have to defend them or worse, promote them? That's illogical. We don't practice polygamy anymore and haven't for over 120 years--why should the church bother spending time defending or promoting it's practice? To help fundamentalists and muslims??? Also, it just makes people think we still practice it, which we don't.



And therefore I disagree completely with your belief that the Lord is not pleased with how the LDS church is run, that's ridiculous, considering the men Jesus Christ put in charge are HIS CHOICES.
I suspect the reason the Lord is going to change the name of his church when he comes is because he will not be pleased with his current one.
And where did you get the idea that Jesus is going to change the name of his church when he comes because he's not pleased with it; I'm not familiar with that claim. Who said this?

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Re: How long before the insane left pushes for this in America?

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35 Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not. But behold, Jesus Christ hath shown you unto me, and I know your doing.
36 And I know that ye do walk in the pride of your hearts; and there are none save a few only who do not lift themselves up in the pride of their hearts, unto the wearing of very fine apparel, unto envying, and strifes, and malice, and persecutions, and all manner of iniquities; and your churches, yea, even every one, have become polluted because of the pride of your hearts.
37 For behold, ye do love money, and your substance, and your fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted.
38 O ye pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers, who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye ashamed to take upon you the name of Christ? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless happiness than that misery which never dies—because of the praise of the world?
39 Why do ye adorn yourselves with that which hath no life, and yet suffer the hungry, and the needy, and the naked, and the sick and the afflicted to pass by you, and notice them not?” (Mormon 8: 35-39)

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Re: How long before the insane left pushes for this in America?

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The church has tried to educate us on what needs to be done, and waited pretty much in vain for members to take action and do it. For the most part members did not take a stand and act.

I appears to me that even now way too few Church members would be willing to get involved in correcting the course we have been forced on to. But I believe that efforts by even a few at this time would awaken and help prepare the "remnant" who, after the "cleansing of America" will have been enlightened enuf that they will participate in the restoration of righteous government.

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