Rowe - Energy Sessions

[AI2.0]

I know people who do emotion code and body code stuff. According to that concept, you have to give and receive permission subconsciously for it to work, and sometimes even then it doesn't. However, doing it en masse over the phone is not an effective means of doing that even if you believe in the stuff. Not to mention everyone I know that knows this are horrified at the idea of her doing it for money. It's off.. and it's definitely not striking almost anyone as an ok thing to be doing. It's a lot like charging for priesthood blessings which are also through the Lord, and much more directly so. (assuming a person believes this stuff in the first place.)

Everyone I know who has paid for the schooling and mentorship to acquire energy healing skills charges money and has clients, just like any other alternative healing modality. In the church, we have the idea that we are entitled to other members' gifts; just ask someone who plays the piano well. The law of consecration will be so beautiful when it is truly embraced. Until then, we are all practicing it, even under covenant, imperfectly. My brother, who has multiple degrees in health and wellness, psychology, and a few years of chiropractic school under his belt, asked us a few years ago if it was wrong for him to charge for his service, since he acknowledges that his ability to heal is in essence a spiritual gift. He has 7 children and wants to be able to provide for them. Personally, I wish people were less judgemental about those who are healing outside of hospital medicine. Use your God-given powers of discretion when seeking help for yourself, and otherwise don't worry about what your neighbor is doing. Trust me, he's already conscientious enough for both of you.

My favorite way to use someone else's gifts within the principle of consecration is to trade. We don't currently have the united order. Stop expecting people to starve their families so you can have something free.

I'm not sure you understand why the church would have cautioned members about Energy healing. You seem to be confused. Energy healing is not the same as going to a licensed chiropractor or a licensed psychologist. So far, I've never heard of the church giving any warnings against Chiropractors or Psychologists, but they DID give a public warning against 'Christ centered Energy healing' this past Fall, which if you don't know what it is, you might want to take some time to learn exactly what it entails and why it smacks of Priestcraft when a person charges someone to 'perform' it.

[oxbloodangel]

Most people I know who practice energy healing do it in addition to other types of services; they are invariably people who take a holistic, connected view of all healing. You clearly compartmentalize more than they do and can't sympathize with their moral dilemma.

[oxbloodangel]

In my neighborhood, they also tend to be people who grow herbs (as recommended by Brigham Young) and who raise livestock and chickens. They're not all Tammy Ward.

[SokSareth]

There are many aspects to a Red Spirit Energy Healing session. You can never predict where the trail will lead us during an energy healing session.

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[Michelle]

Part of the problem with all counterfeits is that they look SO MUCH like the real thing.

This is hard topic because I have so many wonderful, otherwise faithful friends who have been deceived. Interestingly, they all seem to start somewhere and then slowly collect the same bag of counterfeit "gifts." Often putting into the same "bag" with some real and some false gifts.

A trained eye can easily tell the difference, a novice has to be shown and might not see it even then. Some people just want to believe the counterfeit so bad, nothing will convince them otherwise. I can't convince you by my arguments that energy healing should be approached with caution any more than you can have my testimony of Christ as anything but a place to start desiring to know him. I can tell you that a careful study of the scriptures, including the Old Testament is vital to seeing the counterfeit signs.

I have my own witness. I will use the methods and authority authorized by the Lord. I hope that all will earnestly seek His will be done, not their own in this matter.

A few questions:

If this is from God, why is it not taught by the church? Why does one need to pay money to learn it? Why couldn't I either obtain it for free from studying the scriptues or words of the Prophets, and then freely share it? We don't have weekend conferences to teach people how to use the priesthood that cost lots of money. When we have such conferences, they are free. When a priesthood blessing is given, it is given for free.

If this if from God, why does it seem to counter the need to authority by priesthood power? If anybody can do this, what are priesthood blessing ordinances for? It would be like saying, "it is cool if someone has authority to baptize, but if not, no sweat, anybody can actually baptise another if they have enough faith and training."

If this is from God, why do its origins come from questionable sources (false God's of heathen peoples)? Why do so many of the practitioners refer to Spirits helping them? 2 Nephi 18:19 (quoting Isaiah) says "And when they shall say unto you: Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep and mutter—should not a people seek unto their God for the living to hear from the dead?"

I can tell you from my own experience, as a teenager in an area I lived in, a special fireside was held with a General Authority. I was not in attendance, but it was reiterated that Sunday at Church for the youth not able to attend. There were some in the area who were engaging in occult behaviors, not unlike what is being discussed here. We were warned that Satan is real, that the Spirits who did not receive bodies want nothing more than to have our bodies. That we must not engage in occult behaviours and activites, specifically in that instance astral projection. That these evil Spirits cannot take us by force, but that if we freely allow them, they may take possession of our minds and bodies. That this permission, once obtained, cannot be revoked except by priesthood power. This is not a game. Chakaras, energy healing, laying on of hands: not by priesthood authority, aura reading, seeking the dead (which is different from departed family members seeking us to further the work of the Lord, ususally in reference to family history work); false tokens, signs, ordinances, and oaths; the law of attraction, wands, crystals and worse.

Deuteronomy 18:9-12
"9 ¶ When thou art come into the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,

11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee."

Leviticus 19:31; 20:6
"31 ¶ Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God."

"6 ¶ And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people."

Jeremiah 10:2
"2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them."

Hosea 4:12
"12 ¶ My people ask counsel at their stocks, and their staff declareth unto them: for the spirit of whoredoms hath caused them to err, and they have gone a whoring from under their God."

1 Timothy 4:1
"1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"

[Mcox]

Part of the problem with all counterfeits is that they look SO MUCH like the real thing.

This is hard topic because I have so many wonderful, otherwise faithful friends who have been deceived. Interestingly, they all seem to start somewhere and then slowly collect the same bag of counterfeit "gifts." Often putting into the same "bag" with some real and some false gifts.

A trained eye can easily tell the difference, a novice has to be shown and might not see it even then. Some people just want to believe the counterfeit so bad, nothing will convince them otherwise. I can't convince you by my arguments that energy healing should be approached with caution any more than you can have my testimony of Christ as anything but a place to start desiring to know him. I can tell you that a careful study of the scriptures, including the Old Testament is vital to seeing the counterfeit signs.

I have my own witness. I will use the methods and authority authorized by the Lord. I hope that all will earnestly seek His will be done, not their own in this matter.

A few questions:

If this is from God, why is it not taught by the church? Why does one need to pay money to learn it? Why couldn't I either obtain it for free from studying the scriptues or words of the Prophets, and then freely share it? We don't have weekend conferences to teach people how to use the priesthood that cost lots of money. When we have such conferences, they are free. When a priesthood blessing is given, it is given for free.

If this if from God, why does it seem to counter the need to authority by priesthood power? If anybody can do this, what are priesthood blessing ordinances for? It would be like saying, "it is cool if someone has authority to baptize, but if not, no sweat, anybody can actually baptise another if they have enough faith and training."

If this is from God, why do its origins come from questionable sources (false God's of heathen peoples)? Why do so many of the practitioners refer to Spirits helping them? 2 Nephi 18:19 (quoting Isaiah) says "And when they shall say unto you: Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep and mutter—should not a people seek unto their God for the living to hear from the dead?"

I can tell you from my own experience, as a teenager in an area I lived in, a special fireside was held with a General Authority. I was not in attendance, but it was reiterated that Sunday at Church for the youth not able to attend. There were some in the area who were engaging in occult behaviors, not unlike what is being discussed here. We were warned that Satan is real, that the Spirits who did not receive bodies want nothing more than to have our bodies. That we must not engage in occult behaviours and activites, specifically in that instance astral projection. That these evil Spirits cannot take us by force, but that if we freely allow them, they may take possession of our minds and bodies. That this permission, once obtained, cannot be revoked except by priesthood power. This is not a game. Chakaras, energy healing, laying on of hands: not by priesthood authority, aura reading, seeking the dead (which is different from departed family members seeking us to further the work of the Lord, ususally in reference to family history work); false tokens, signs, ordinances, and oaths; the law of attraction, wands, crystals and worse.

Deuteronomy 18:9-12
"9 ¶ When thou art come into the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,

11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee."

Leviticus 19:31; 20:6
"31 ¶ Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God."

"6 ¶ And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people."

Jeremiah 10:2
"2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them."

Hosea 4:12
"12 ¶ My people ask counsel at their stocks, and their staff declareth unto them: for the spirit of whoredoms hath caused them to err, and they have gone a whoring from under their God."

1 Timothy 4:1
"1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"

I love doesn't everything you just said!!!! Thank you for getting it! This is not science, it's spiritually dangerous.

[DesertWonderer]

There are many aspects to a Red Spirit Energy Healing session. You can never predict where the trail will lead us during an energy healing session.

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I can predict where the trail will lead...dark paths.

[JohnnyL]

There are many aspects to a Red Spirit Energy Healing session. You can never predict where the trail will lead us during an energy healing session.

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I can predict where the trail will lead...dark paths.

In mine, to great improvement!

Michelle,
I know you've come late to the party, so to say. Your questions have been answered, over and over, on this and previous threads. If you really want answers, search "energy healing" and you'll get them.

[Mcox]

This articles has some awesome content.


http://josephsmithfoundation.org/faqs/l ... y-healing/

[Michelle]

There are many aspects to a Red Spirit Energy Healing session. You can never predict where the trail will lead us during an energy healing session.

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I can predict where the trail will lead...dark paths.

In mine, to great improvement!

Michelle,
I know you've come late to the party, so to say. Your questions have been answered, over and over, on this and previous threads. If you really want answers, search "energy healing" and you'll get them.

JohnnyL, this may be the first time you have noticed me at "the party," but I assure you I received my first invitation about 5 years ago. I have received many invitations since then and I have studied this extensively because it is such a widespread problem among many of my LDS friends who also homeschool, homebirth, make preparations according to the words of the prophets, etc.

You are correct that there are many threads on energy healing and I have read most, if not all of them over the years (I recently joined, but have read for years). I would dispute your use of the word "answers" and substitute my own "excuses." Don't get me wrong. I love my friends who believe these things, they are good people who are deceived.

I see a similar pattern among most who fall for this. They slowly shift from faith to superstition. With faith, first we exercise faith, then that faith is rewarded with signs and miracles. With superstition, first we see signs then we try to build our faith on those. Even when the signs fail again and again, they simply rework the sign to a new meaning.

When I first heard about this, I asked God and I searched to see what the scriptures, prophets and apostles may have said. When they tell me about their experiences they say someone offered to do the energey healing, usually right then. Then when their leg immediately stopped hurting (or some other problem) they knew the "fruit" was good. Over time they say they receive an answer from the Spirit, but it doesn't seem to coincide with studying true sources (scriptures, prophets), but immersing themselves in energy healing trainings and such. I never hear them speak of the peace of the Spirit confirming their choice, but often the burning and warm feelings. We know Satan can imitate excitement, burning, etc, but not peace.

Dallin H. Oakes had a book "The Lord's Way." He speaks about why we receive our testimonies individually and cautions us against misidentifying the Spirit. For example, many churches use loud music, shouting, and group "experiences" to "invite the Spirit." These are counterfeit. Strong emotions can often be misinterpreted as "feeling the Spirit." This can happen in any group setting. There was even a recent LDS.org article cautioning youth leaders about strong emotional activities being counterfeit "spiritual experiences." (I will have to look for the link and update my post) Crying doesn't = spiritual, though we may cry when we feel the Spirit. Excitment doesn't = spiritual, though we may feel excited when we have a new truth revealed to us. It is only through peace and our own experience that we learn to discern the counterfeit from the real spiritual experience.

The saddest part if how often I will have a friend tell me how excited she is that some long standing issue with one of her children has been solved with energy healing, muscle testing, emotion code, etc., only to have them come back with the same problem again later. They don't like to talk about the fact that it was "healed" and now a problem again. They just go forward as if they never had an "answer" to it before.

From Preach My Gospel
https://www.lds.org/manual/preach-my-go ... t?lang=eng

"A Word of Caution
[b]As you pray for inspiration, you should also confirm your feelings. For example, compare your decisions with the scriptures and the teachings of the living prophets. Be certain that the feelings are consistent with the assignment you have[/b]; for example, you will not receive revelation to tell a local bishop how he should perform in his calling. Discuss your decisions and conclusions with your companion, your district leader, or your mission president when appropriate.

President Howard W. Hunter offered this counsel: “Let me offer a word of caution. … I think if we are not careful … , we may begin to try to counterfeit the true influence of the Spirit of the Lord by unworthy and manipulative means. I get concerned when it appears that strong emotion or free-flowing tears are equated with the presence of the Spirit. Certainly the Spirit of the Lord can bring strong emotional feelings, including tears, but that outward manifestation ought not to be confused with the presence of the Spirit itself” (The Teachings of Howard W. Hunter, 184). The Spirit of the Lord always edifies."

[JohnnyL]

There are many aspects to a Red Spirit Energy Healing session. You can never predict where the trail will lead us during an energy healing session.

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I can predict where the trail will lead...dark paths.

In mine, to great improvement!

Michelle,
I know you've come late to the party, so to say. Your questions have been answered, over and over, on this and previous threads. If you really want answers, search "energy healing" and you'll get them.

JohnnyL, this may be the first time you have noticed me at "the party," but I assure you I received my first invitation about 5 years ago. I have received many invitations since then and I have studied this extensively because it is such a widespread problem among many of my LDS friends who also homeschool, homebirth, make preparations according to the words of the prophets, etc.

You are correct that there are many threads on energy healing and I have read most, if not all of them over the years (I recently joined, but have read for years). I would dispute your use of the word "answers" and substitute my own "excuses." Don't get me wrong. I love my friends who believe these things, they are good people who are deceived.

I see a similar pattern among most who fall for this. They slowly shift from faith to superstition. With faith, first we exercise faith, then that faith is rewarded with signs and miracles. With superstition, first we see signs then we try to build our faith on those. Even when the signs fail again and again, they simply rework the sign to a new meaning.

When I first heard about this, I asked God and I searched to see what the scriptures, prophets and apostles may have said. When they tell me about their experiences they say someone offered to do the energey healing, usually right then. Then when their leg immediately stopped hurting (or some other problem) they knew the "fruit" was good. Over time they say they receive an answer from the Spirit, but it doesn't seem to coincide with studying true sources (scriptures, prophets), but immersing themselves in energy healing trainings and such. I never hear them speak of the peace of the Spirit confirming their choice, but often the burning and warm feelings. We know Satan can imitate excitement, burning, etc, but not peace.

Dallin H. Oakes had a book "The Lord's Way." He speaks about why we receive our testimonies individually and cautions us against misidentifying the Spirit. For example, many churches use loud music, shouting, and group "experiences" to "invite the Spirit." These are counterfeit. Strong emotions can often be misinterpreted as "feeling the Spirit." This can happen in any group setting. There was even a recent LDS.org article cautioning youth leaders about strong emotional activities being counterfeit "spiritual experiences." (I will have to look for the link and update my post) Crying doesn't = spiritual, though we may cry when we feel the Spirit. Excitment doesn't = spiritual, though we may feel excited when we have a new truth revealed to us. It is only through peace and our own experience that we learn to discern the counterfeit from the real spiritual experience.

The saddest part if how often I will have a friend tell me how excited she is that some long standing issue with one of her children has been solved with energy healing, muscle testing, emotion code, etc., only to have them come back with the same problem again later. They don't like to talk about the fact that it was "healed" and now a problem again. They just go forward as if they never had an "answer" to it before.

From Preach My Gospel
https://www.lds.org/manual/preach-my-go ... t?lang=eng

"A Word of Caution
[b]As you pray for inspiration, you should also confirm your feelings. For example, compare your decisions with the scriptures and the teachings of the living prophets. Be certain that the feelings are consistent with the assignment you have[/b]; for example, you will not receive revelation to tell a local bishop how he should perform in his calling. Discuss your decisions and conclusions with your companion, your district leader, or your mission president when appropriate.

President Howard W. Hunter offered this counsel: “Let me offer a word of caution. … I think if we are not careful … , we may begin to try to counterfeit the true influence of the Spirit of the Lord by unworthy and manipulative means. I get concerned when it appears that strong emotion or free-flowing tears are equated with the presence of the Spirit. Certainly the Spirit of the Lord can bring strong emotional feelings, including tears, but that outward manifestation ought not to be confused with the presence of the Spirit itself” (The Teachings of Howard W. Hunter, 184). The Spirit of the Lord always edifies."

I stopped reading after the first paragraph, as it's apparent that you didn't/ don't really have questions. ;)

[Michelle]

I can predict where the trail will lead...dark paths.

In mine, to great improvement!

Michelle,
I know you've come late to the party, so to say. Your questions have been answered, over and over, on this and previous threads. If you really want answers, search "energy healing" and you'll get them.

JohnnyL, this may be the first time you have noticed me at "the party," but I assure you I received my first invitation about 5 years ago. I have received many invitations since then and I have studied this extensively because it is such a widespread problem among many of my LDS friends who also homeschool, homebirth, make preparations according to the words of the prophets, etc.

You are correct that there are many threads on energy healing and I have read most, if not all of them over the years (I recently joined, but have read for years). I would dispute your use of the word "answers" and substitute my own "excuses." Don't get me wrong. I love my friends who believe these things, they are good people who are deceived.

I see a similar pattern among most who fall for this. They slowly shift from faith to superstition. With faith, first we exercise faith, then that faith is rewarded with signs and miracles. With superstition, first we see signs then we try to build our faith on those. Even when the signs fail again and again, they simply rework the sign to a new meaning.

When I first heard about this, I asked God and I searched to see what the scriptures, prophets and apostles may have said. When they tell me about their experiences they say someone offered to do the energey healing, usually right then. Then when their leg immediately stopped hurting (or some other problem) they knew the "fruit" was good. Over time they say they receive an answer from the Spirit, but it doesn't seem to coincide with studying true sources (scriptures, prophets), but immersing themselves in energy healing trainings and such. I never hear them speak of the peace of the Spirit confirming their choice, but often the burning and warm feelings. We know Satan can imitate excitement, burning, etc, but not peace.

Dallin H. Oakes had a book "The Lord's Way." He speaks about why we receive our testimonies individually and cautions us against misidentifying the Spirit. For example, many churches use loud music, shouting, and group "experiences" to "invite the Spirit." These are counterfeit. Strong emotions can often be misinterpreted as "feeling the Spirit." This can happen in any group setting. There was even a recent LDS.org article cautioning youth leaders about strong emotional activities being counterfeit "spiritual experiences." (I will have to look for the link and update my post) Crying doesn't = spiritual, though we may cry when we feel the Spirit. Excitment doesn't = spiritual, though we may feel excited when we have a new truth revealed to us. It is only through peace and our own experience that we learn to discern the counterfeit from the real spiritual experience.

The saddest part if how often I will have a friend tell me how excited she is that some long standing issue with one of her children has been solved with energy healing, muscle testing, emotion code, etc., only to have them come back with the same problem again later. They don't like to talk about the fact that it was "healed" and now a problem again. They just go forward as if they never had an "answer" to it before.

From Preach My Gospel
https://www.lds.org/manual/preach-my-go ... t?lang=eng

"A Word of Caution
[b]As you pray for inspiration, you should also confirm your feelings. For example, compare your decisions with the scriptures and the teachings of the living prophets. Be certain that the feelings are consistent with the assignment you have[/b]; for example, you will not receive revelation to tell a local bishop how he should perform in his calling. Discuss your decisions and conclusions with your companion, your district leader, or your mission president when appropriate.

President Howard W. Hunter offered this counsel: “Let me offer a word of caution. … I think if we are not careful … , we may begin to try to counterfeit the true influence of the Spirit of the Lord by unworthy and manipulative means. I get concerned when it appears that strong emotion or free-flowing tears are equated with the presence of the Spirit. Certainly the Spirit of the Lord can bring strong emotional feelings, including tears, but that outward manifestation ought not to be confused with the presence of the Spirit itself” (The Teachings of Howard W. Hunter, 184). The Spirit of the Lord always edifies."

I stopped reading after the first paragraph, as it's apparent that you didn't/ don't really have questions. ;)

How disrespectful of you to admit. You could have just not replied.

Not the most effective way to disabuse yourself of falsehood: avoiding hearing other's experience or discussion, but you have your agency.

[lyanne7]

On the topic of energy healing and this new Christ centered healing taught by Tammy Ward. The church recently came out against it...you can read their comments etc. I would like to put my two cents in on the subject. This new kind of healing using a blend of Reiki and prayer is fraudulent and dangerous. I am a convert, i grew up involved in many of the eastern religions, ashrams etc .My mother was an ex hippie/Hindu and currently buddhist. I was exposed to many things good and bad. I have been a Registered massage Therapist for almost 23 years. I joined the church while in Massage School. One day our instructors wanted the whole class to do some reiki movements to increase the energy. In that class of new age minded healers, there were only 3 that were Christian.
As the whole class started the exercise, I felt a sickening wall of heat surround us, i looked at the other two students, one mormon, one southern baptist and i saw the same fear. They quietly mouthed the words to me, we need to leave now. We left quickly as the rest of the students were enthralled with the feeling, emotions etc. The spirit told me long ago to avoid that kind of healing and said it was not of God. It was a tool to open yourself up to possession. The classmates that followed studying it more over time began to change. One friend in particular changed her hair colour, left her wonderful husband and a strange look in her eyes. These friends (non christian) went on to believe they were some kind of Christ could heal and recieve messages from the spirit world. I ended up helping a patient who went to one of these people. She was having trouble concieving children.
The "Energy healing" therapist said it was because she had the spirits of dead aborted children blocking her ability. This patient was very upset and traumatized. They get messages alright but not from where you think. A few years ago I had a horrible experience, this man a friend of my friend came to visit me and some of my neighbors. He came under false pretenses, to share similar impressions that we had about last days stuff. He said he needed to offer a prayer of protection before hand. I felt to open my eyes, as did a few others and see him do an opposite hand gesture to what is done in the temple. He open some kind of portal and that same whoosing hot blanket feeling surrounding us enveloped the room. I had a flashback to my days in massage school and energy healing..I recognized it. I fought with devils for three days after that and needed the priesthood to rebuke what was unleashed. In Julie Rows early days doing her speaking engagements she was seen starting out with a prayer of protection, as she prayed she did the sale opposite hand movement as that man did with us,
I grew up in the eastern cultures..not all of the mysterious things are of God, i have done astro projection and other things....PLEASE PLEASE Members stop chasing after Satans paths. Christ's way is simple, clean, pure and not needing pomp and circumstance. Please stay away from this so called certification crap in Christ center healing tammy ward is teaching. You have no clue what you are playing with. If you want so badly to be a therapist go to freakin massage school, or some other approved therapy...be an awesome visiting teacher, there are many opportunities to serve others, you can heal others in many other ways. if it money driven use your talents God gave you. The Gospel is simple, it is one of order, not confusion. Is it really worth $60 an hour for an unauthorized person with no real therapist education to touch you, wave their hands and open you up to spiritual possession. If you need some validation, compassion see a real therapist, massage therapist, chiropractor, visting teacher, visit the temple, read scriptures, bishop, family, or praying to our Savour...

[AI2.0]

President Moyle, who almost destroyed the church single-handedly, in strong opposition to President Smith and Elder Lee...
President Packer, who had a statement about homosexuality that the church kind of changed later...
We could go on and on. Funny--since no one on this board thinks it a sin to point out, denegrate, call names, accuse of sin and wrongdoing, etc. others they disagree with (especially on every energy healing thread, right?), it seems just a tad hypocritical to take this stance, Artificial and Mark.

Now, they are just men. But, they do have callings, and even if they do have faults (which they do), I respect that and them and support them.

If you're waiting for the church to reverse its position on "energy healing", you're going to be waiting a very.... very.....very.... long...... time.

Meanwhile, many more members will be exercising their priesthood, inviting others to exercise theirs, and growing stronger and stronger in the faith. I think I know which camp I'd rather be in.

BTW shouldn't we all be in tent cities by now?

I didn't know the church HAD a position on energy healing. Oh wait, someone on the forum has spoken with the general authorities (apostles?), and they are going to come out against it shortly (a few years ago). Oh wait, President Packer was for sure going to come out against it (at least I don't have to keep holding my breath on that one...). Oh wait, Elder Ballard came out against it, and two forum members recorded it, and they are going to put it up really soon now ( :-w :-w :-w ).

You are setting up a false dichotomy, do you see it?

Huh? Tent cities?? You must have me mixed up with someone, sorry.

You wanted an Apostle to come out against it and you mocked others for not proving to your satisfaction that the Church leaders don't support your craft. Well, JohnnyL, you got your wish. Yesterday in General Conference, Elder Russel M. Ballard brought up that statement by the Church spokesman a year ago and reiterated it strongly. God Bless Elder Ballard for making it clear that the church strongly cautions members to not be involved in this, as a practitioner or a patron.

Here it is, in case you weren't listening yesterday:

Some people have offered expensive healing and support. A year ago, church leaders issued a statement against those practices.

"We urge church members," Elder Ballard said, "to be cautious about participating in any group that promises — in exchange for money — miraculous healings or that claims to have special methods for accessing healing power outside of properly ordained priesthood holders."

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865 ... rnoon.html

I'm sure the full transcript will be up soon so you can read it yourself.

So, there you have it. Members have been specifically warned against ENERGY HEALING by Elder Ballard in October, 2017 General Conference.

[Tbone]

You also have Jack Handy warning against alternative forms of healing:

Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine. Which I guess is why several of us died of tuberculosis.

[GrandMasterB]

I can predict where the trail will lead...dark paths.

In mine, to great improvement!

Michelle,
I know you've come late to the party, so to say. Your questions have been answered, over and over, on this and previous threads. If you really want answers, search "energy healing" and you'll get them.

JohnnyL, this may be the first time you have noticed me at "the party," but I assure you I received my first invitation about 5 years ago. I have received many invitations since then and I have studied this extensively because it is such a widespread problem among many of my LDS friends who also homeschool, homebirth, make preparations according to the words of the prophets, etc.

You are correct that there are many threads on energy healing and I have read most, if not all of them over the years (I recently joined, but have read for years). I would dispute your use of the word "answers" and substitute my own "excuses." Don't get me wrong. I love my friends who believe these things, they are good people who are deceived.

I see a similar pattern among most who fall for this. They slowly shift from faith to superstition. With faith, first we exercise faith, then that faith is rewarded with signs and miracles. With superstition, first we see signs then we try to build our faith on those. Even when the signs fail again and again, they simply rework the sign to a new meaning.

When I first heard about this, I asked God and I searched to see what the scriptures, prophets and apostles may have said. When they tell me about their experiences they say someone offered to do the energey healing, usually right then. Then when their leg immediately stopped hurting (or some other problem) they knew the "fruit" was good. Over time they say they receive an answer from the Spirit, but it doesn't seem to coincide with studying true sources (scriptures, prophets), but immersing themselves in energy healing trainings and such. I never hear them speak of the peace of the Spirit confirming their choice, but often the burning and warm feelings. We know Satan can imitate excitement, burning, etc, but not peace.

Dallin H. Oakes had a book "The Lord's Way." He speaks about why we receive our testimonies individually and cautions us against misidentifying the Spirit. For example, many churches use loud music, shouting, and group "experiences" to "invite the Spirit." These are counterfeit. Strong emotions can often be misinterpreted as "feeling the Spirit." This can happen in any group setting. There was even a recent LDS.org article cautioning youth leaders about strong emotional activities being counterfeit "spiritual experiences." (I will have to look for the link and update my post) Crying doesn't = spiritual, though we may cry when we feel the Spirit. Excitment doesn't = spiritual, though we may feel excited when we have a new truth revealed to us. It is only through peace and our own experience that we learn to discern the counterfeit from the real spiritual experience.

The saddest part if how often I will have a friend tell me how excited she is that some long standing issue with one of her children has been solved with energy healing, muscle testing, emotion code, etc., only to have them come back with the same problem again later. They don't like to talk about the fact that it was "healed" and now a problem again. They just go forward as if they never had an "answer" to it before.

From Preach My Gospel
https://www.lds.org/manual/preach-my-go ... t?lang=eng

"A Word of Caution
[b]As you pray for inspiration, you should also confirm your feelings. For example, compare your decisions with the scriptures and the teachings of the living prophets. Be certain that the feelings are consistent with the assignment you have[/b]; for example, you will not receive revelation to tell a local bishop how he should perform in his calling. Discuss your decisions and conclusions with your companion, your district leader, or your mission president when appropriate.

President Howard W. Hunter offered this counsel: “Let me offer a word of caution. … I think if we are not careful … , we may begin to try to counterfeit the true influence of the Spirit of the Lord by unworthy and manipulative means. I get concerned when it appears that strong emotion or free-flowing tears are equated with the presence of the Spirit. Certainly the Spirit of the Lord can bring strong emotional feelings, including tears, but that outward manifestation ought not to be confused with the presence of the Spirit itself” (The Teachings of Howard W. Hunter, 184). The Spirit of the Lord always edifies."

I stopped reading after the first paragraph, as it's apparent that you didn't/ don't really have questions.

Oh Johnny, Johnny, Johnny!

[e-eye2.0]

In mine, to great improvement!

Michelle,
I know you've come late to the party, so to say. Your questions have been answered, over and over, on this and previous threads. If you really want answers, search "energy healing" and you'll get them.

JohnnyL, this may be the first time you have noticed me at "the party," but I assure you I received my first invitation about 5 years ago. I have received many invitations since then and I have studied this extensively because it is such a widespread problem among many of my LDS friends who also homeschool, homebirth, make preparations according to the words of the prophets, etc.

You are correct that there are many threads on energy healing and I have read most, if not all of them over the years (I recently joined, but have read for years). I would dispute your use of the word "answers" and substitute my own "excuses." Don't get me wrong. I love my friends who believe these things, they are good people who are deceived.

I see a similar pattern among most who fall for this. They slowly shift from faith to superstition. With faith, first we exercise faith, then that faith is rewarded with signs and miracles. With superstition, first we see signs then we try to build our faith on those. Even when the signs fail again and again, they simply rework the sign to a new meaning.

When I first heard about this, I asked God and I searched to see what the scriptures, prophets and apostles may have said. When they tell me about their experiences they say someone offered to do the energey healing, usually right then. Then when their leg immediately stopped hurting (or some other problem) they knew the "fruit" was good. Over time they say they receive an answer from the Spirit, but it doesn't seem to coincide with studying true sources (scriptures, prophets), but immersing themselves in energy healing trainings and such. I never hear them speak of the peace of the Spirit confirming their choice, but often the burning and warm feelings. We know Satan can imitate excitement, burning, etc, but not peace.

Dallin H. Oakes had a book "The Lord's Way." He speaks about why we receive our testimonies individually and cautions us against misidentifying the Spirit. For example, many churches use loud music, shouting, and group "experiences" to "invite the Spirit." These are counterfeit. Strong emotions can often be misinterpreted as "feeling the Spirit." This can happen in any group setting. There was even a recent LDS.org article cautioning youth leaders about strong emotional activities being counterfeit "spiritual experiences." (I will have to look for the link and update my post) Crying doesn't = spiritual, though we may cry when we feel the Spirit. Excitment doesn't = spiritual, though we may feel excited when we have a new truth revealed to us. It is only through peace and our own experience that we learn to discern the counterfeit from the real spiritual experience.

The saddest part if how often I will have a friend tell me how excited she is that some long standing issue with one of her children has been solved with energy healing, muscle testing, emotion code, etc., only to have them come back with the same problem again later. They don't like to talk about the fact that it was "healed" and now a problem again. They just go forward as if they never had an "answer" to it before.

From Preach My Gospel
https://www.lds.org/manual/preach-my-go ... t?lang=eng

"A Word of Caution
[b]As you pray for inspiration, you should also confirm your feelings. For example, compare your decisions with the scriptures and the teachings of the living prophets. Be certain that the feelings are consistent with the assignment you have[/b]; for example, you will not receive revelation to tell a local bishop how he should perform in his calling. Discuss your decisions and conclusions with your companion, your district leader, or your mission president when appropriate.

President Howard W. Hunter offered this counsel: “Let me offer a word of caution. … I think if we are not careful … , we may begin to try to counterfeit the true influence of the Spirit of the Lord by unworthy and manipulative means. I get concerned when it appears that strong emotion or free-flowing tears are equated with the presence of the Spirit. Certainly the Spirit of the Lord can bring strong emotional feelings, including tears, but that outward manifestation ought not to be confused with the presence of the Spirit itself” (The Teachings of Howard W. Hunter, 184). The Spirit of the Lord always edifies."

I stopped reading after the first paragraph, as it's apparent that you didn't/ don't really have questions.

Oh Johnny, Johnny, Johnny!

Yeah, energy healing got the big smack down.

[GrandMasterB]

I do believe that those engaged in this energy healing are tricked into thinking they are healed.
You see, Satan and his minions afflict the individuals and drive them to energy healing centers for help. Then when prompted the evil Spirits will cease their tormenting to give the illusion of healing. It is the perfect scam.

[mmm..cheese]

I did not read the thread, but I was just going to say that Priesthood leadership stated that the equivalent of energy healing is not of God. Saying it is science is a loophole for a strange new age practice and it would be wise to follow the council of modern scientists when it comes to natural occurrences. Using computer programs and using magnets on ourselves to heal others needs an excellent scientific explanation if it is going to be accepted as a natural way of healing. It also just happens to invoke the name of God while doing it always?..

General conference spoke about this. I don't condemn or judge, but anyone who is really fond of energy healing and is beyond convinced it works - I am not here to say "It does not work" but I would tell you that you should stop.

[LdsMarco]

"You can buy anything in this world with money" - Satan

[markharr]

[iWriteStuff]

For a second there I thought that was Chuck Norris in a top hat.

If Chuck Norris sells it, you know it must be legit

[markharr]

For a second there I thought that was Chuck Norris in a top hat.

If Chuck Norris sells it, you know it must be legit

No, it's dr. Terminus selling his snake oil from the original (and better) Pete's Dragon.