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I was thinking of the eagle prophecy last week and it dawned on me that most everyone who talks about the trump 3rd short feather would think he will serve under 3 years and over 2 years then pence 4th feather would be less then the 3rd.

It dawn on me that wouldn't fit JFK or Nixon. The VP that took over for them never got a feather. So the only way Pence can be the 4th feather is if he is voted into office in 2020

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Bronco73idi wrote: August 9th, 2017, 10:45 pm To be that critical of the words "unto the half" you would have to be able to read the original text, not the translation. Then you would also want to see if it was part of the dead sea scrolls to see if it matched. I'm guessing that would be Hebrew. This is why we believe the BOM is the most correct book on the earth today, but you already know that :).

Also, if one was that critical of a prophecy one would deem D&C 87, the civil war prophecy as false.
I don't know where you came up with that interpretation of my words, but let me be explicit:

I am not criticizing this prophecy or any other prophecy. I am criticizing an interpretation of that prophecy.

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brianj wrote: August 10th, 2017, 7:36 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: August 9th, 2017, 10:45 pm To be that critical of the words "unto the half" you would have to be able to read the original text, not the translation. Then you would also want to see if it was part of the dead sea scrolls to see if it matched. I'm guessing that would be Hebrew. This is why we believe the BOM is the most correct book on the earth today, but you already know that :).

Also, if one was that critical of a prophecy one would deem D&C 87, the civil war prophecy as false.
I don't know where you came up with that interpretation of my words, but let me be explicit:

I am not criticizing this prophecy or any other prophecy. I am criticizing an interpretation of that prophecy.
I understand you are not criticizing the actual prophecy but the interpretation, that is why I edited it and added the note about D&C 87.

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Bronco73idi wrote: August 9th, 2017, 10:45 pm
brianj wrote: August 9th, 2017, 9:38 pm
MarkBR wrote: August 9th, 2017, 6:44 pmI'll say it another way then, just like the units of the prophesy regarding Christ's death were days, not hours, the units of measure for Ezra's prophecy are presidential terms, not years. Just like in physics, if you try to calculate a formula with mismatched units the solution does not make sense. FDR is the only President with four terms, no other president has served more than two term nor can they by law. Using these units it works surprisingly so. I hope that this prophecy is wrong, but I would not through it out because of this, it fits too well, both with the pattern of the Book of Mormon, and with the recent election and corresponding political environment. Can all of these things really just be a bizarre coincidence? I hope so, but I don't think so...
Thank you for trying Mark, but it wasn't sufficient. And welcome to the forum.

The prophecy in 2 Esdras says that none of the subsequent feathers would attain "unto the half" of the time of the big leader. If FDR had been elected to five terms then the current two term limit would prevent someone from attaining half the time of FDR, but he was elected to four terms so every President elected to two terms attains half the reign of FDR.
To be that critical of the words "unto the half" you would have to be able to read the original text, not the translation. Then you would also want to see if it was part of the dead sea scrolls to see if it matched. I'm guessing that would be Hebrew. This is why we believe the BOM is the most correct book on the earth today, but you already know that :).

Also, if one was that critical of a prophecy one would deem D&C 87, the civil war prophecy as false.

It is only the "introduction" that is misleading in D&C 87 (civil war prophesy). The prophesy is stunningly accurate and is yet to be fulfilled. The slaves will rise against their masters has not happened yet but soon (not what happened during the civil war - it was a war of secession).

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LdsMarco wrote: August 7th, 2017, 8:22 pm Not sure if anyone has seen this but here is another LDS guy who wrote a book about it
thanks for bringing this book to my attention - I ordered it & will post about it at a later date...

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Talon65 wrote: August 14th, 2017, 9:01 am
LdsMarco wrote: August 7th, 2017, 8:22 pm Not sure if anyone has seen this but here is another LDS guy who wrote a book about it
thanks for bringing this book to my attention - I ordered it & will post about it at a later date...
I also purchased it and personally didnt find it very enlightening since it mostly repeats what the author of 10losttribes blog already stated. Having said that, however, I am looking forward to ur future comments. thanx

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Hogmeister wrote: August 14th, 2017, 7:34 am
Bronco73idi wrote: August 9th, 2017, 10:45 pm
brianj wrote: August 9th, 2017, 9:38 pm
MarkBR wrote: August 9th, 2017, 6:44 pmI'll say it another way then, just like the units of the prophesy regarding Christ's death were days, not hours, the units of measure for Ezra's prophecy are presidential terms, not years. Just like in physics, if you try to calculate a formula with mismatched units the solution does not make sense. FDR is the only President with four terms, no other president has served more than two term nor can they by law. Using these units it works surprisingly so. I hope that this prophecy is wrong, but I would not through it out because of this, it fits too well, both with the pattern of the Book of Mormon, and with the recent election and corresponding political environment. Can all of these things really just be a bizarre coincidence? I hope so, but I don't think so...
Thank you for trying Mark, but it wasn't sufficient. And welcome to the forum.

The prophecy in 2 Esdras says that none of the subsequent feathers would attain "unto the half" of the time of the big leader. If FDR had been elected to five terms then the current two term limit would prevent someone from attaining half the time of FDR, but he was elected to four terms so every President elected to two terms attains half the reign of FDR.
To be that critical of the words "unto the half" you would have to be able to read the original text, not the translation. Then you would also want to see if it was part of the dead sea scrolls to see if it matched. I'm guessing that would be Hebrew. This is why we believe the BOM is the most correct book on the earth today, but you already know that :).

Also, if one was that critical of a prophecy one would deem D&C 87, the civil war prophecy as false.

It is only the "introduction" that is misleading in D&C 87 (civil war prophesy). The prophesy is stunningly accurate and is yet to be fulfilled. The slaves will rise against their masters has not happened yet but soon (not what happened during the civil war - it was a war of secession).
So they are still slaves? Will the white slave trade of North Africa ever get the same restitution or acknowledgement as the black slave trade of the US did?

Joseph Smith made 2 civil war prophecy's, don't mix the 2 please, they were very distinct of each other.

From google "Volunteers began to respond, and in May 1863 the Government established the Bureau of Colored Troops to manage the burgeoning numbers of black soldiers. By the end of the Civil War, roughly 179,000 black men (10% of the Union Army) served as soldiers in the U.S. Army and another 19,000 served in the Navy."

You can say that part of the prophecy is fulfilled, was it fulfilled as precise as the words Joseph Smith said? My point was about words of a prophecy, more then the actual prophecy.

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Bronco73idi wrote: August 15th, 2017, 10:49 pm
Hogmeister wrote: August 14th, 2017, 7:34 am
Bronco73idi wrote: August 9th, 2017, 10:45 pm
brianj wrote: August 9th, 2017, 9:38 pm

Thank you for trying Mark, but it wasn't sufficient. And welcome to the forum.

The prophecy in 2 Esdras says that none of the subsequent feathers would attain "unto the half" of the time of the big leader. If FDR had been elected to five terms then the current two term limit would prevent someone from attaining half the time of FDR, but he was elected to four terms so every President elected to two terms attains half the reign of FDR.
To be that critical of the words "unto the half" you would have to be able to read the original text, not the translation. Then you would also want to see if it was part of the dead sea scrolls to see if it matched. I'm guessing that would be Hebrew. This is why we believe the BOM is the most correct book on the earth today, but you already know that :).

Also, if one was that critical of a prophecy one would deem D&C 87, the civil war prophecy as false.

It is only the "introduction" that is misleading in D&C 87 (civil war prophesy). The prophesy is stunningly accurate and is yet to be fulfilled. The slaves will rise against their masters has not happened yet but soon (not what happened during the civil war - it was a war of secession).
So they are still slaves? Will the white slave trade of North Africa ever get the same restitution or acknowledgement as the black slave trade of the US did?

Joseph Smith made 2 civil war prophecy's, don't mix the 2 please, they were very distinct of each other.

From google "Volunteers began to respond, and in May 1863 the Government established the Bureau of Colored Troops to manage the burgeoning numbers of black soldiers. By the end of the Civil War, roughly 179,000 black men (10% of the Union Army) served as soldiers in the U.S. Army and another 19,000 served in the Navy."

You can say that part of the prophecy is fulfilled, was it fulfilled as precise as the words Joseph Smith said? My point was about words of a prophecy, more then the actual prophecy.
The slaves rising against their masters happens "many days" after WW2 (read the prophesy carefully). The civil war of the 19th century was not slaves rising against their masters. It was the US president and northern states marching against the south for intending to leave the union.

We are all living in temporal and spiritual bondage to our Masters/Babylon/latter day Egypt(the elites, bankers, politicians and the deep state) although most fail to recognize it.

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For those of you interested in the topic of this thread, particularly pertaining to the events described in Ezra's Eagle, this article is fascinating - particularly that actual letter which is embedded in the article. It is hard to read stuff like this and discount Ezra's Eagle. Can all of this really just be some crazy coincidence? Regardless of what you believe, its best to take some measures to be prepared for the eventuality.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/10/her ... p-the-nsc/

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There is a new blog post by the author of Ezra's Eagle that compare this prophecy to the events from Hellman and 3rd Nephi leading up to the collapse of the Nephite government that is fascinating. If you have not read it I recommend doing so. You have access it here. http://thelost10tribes.com/?p=962

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MarkBR wrote: August 27th, 2017, 8:53 pm There is a new blog post by the author of Ezra's Eagle that compare this prophecy to the events from Hellman and 3rd Nephi leading up to the collapse of the Nephite government that is fascinating. If you have not read it I recommend doing so. You have access it here. http://thelost10tribes.com/?p=962
Thank you for posting this follow up. I loved Ezra's Eagle when I read it last year. SPOT ON, in my humble opinion. Time will tell, but I think he is right to say there are to many coincidences. Watch and be prepared folks. :|

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If you don't believe that the vision given to Ezra has anything to do with our day....jump forward to the 12th chapter of 2nd Ezra, verse 15 and on, find out what the Angel told him was the interpretation of the Vision. We sometimes get hung up on minutia when the Lord is trying to help us see the "Big Picture". The Deep State will take out the POTUS and then much aligning will happen.

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FYI the website for "The Lost 10 tribes" by Michael Rush, "has expired" and it can't be reached anymore. To bad so sad. :( Now rather than access it for free on-line I might have to buy the book. :p

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kittycat51 -- The site, "The Lost 10 Tribes by Michael Rush", was down temporarily but is back up now. Too much minutia I guess...

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And if one would doubt that the prophecies of 2nd Ezra and Ezra's Eagle then please follow the lead of the Author of "A Remnant Shall Return, A Latter-Day Study of the Restoration of The Lost Ten Tribes" by reading Helaman (yes the whole book, 16 Chapters) and the first 7 chapters of 3rd Nephi. There is much to the prophecies the Lord has given to us -- we just need to understand them. I think the author is spot on in so many ways it's refreshing.
I think the power of the Book I quoted above are the chapters that go beyond the first 2 and 3 chapters and cover so much more to the scriptures and the causes of what is coming, the rest of the book is what I mean. I think it's a refreshing thing to understand the chapters not published yet and they too are spot on.....but too much for most to handle. Hopefully we can all come to a unity of the faith --

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Hi Marco,

Yes, I did write a book that included the information about the Ezra's Eagle Prophecy.

That prophecy changed my life. I was able to see many other connections in the scriptures that I had not seen before.

However, it is just one prophecy of about 50 recorded in the book: The "Last Days" Timeline.

I've always believed that God would show bits and pieces of prophecy to different prophets through dreams, visions, and open communication.
If only there was a way to match them up and put them in order.

Hundreds of Christians for 1000s of years have attempted it with the Bible alone.
But only with the Latter-Day Saint cannon of scriptural works can we get a much clearer picture. (Nephi particularly and Jesus in 3rd Nephi)

When you look at these Book of Mormon prophetic writings, along with the Bible, clarification and meaning come to the fore.
And when 2 chapters of the old King James Version of the Apocrypha (Ezra's Eagle) are added to Daniel Chap 7, magic happens.

And you can pinpoint where we are in the history of the world, as compared with what is to come with the various "beasts".

All the clouded definitions come to light. Including prophecy for 2017 in our current situation in the United States of America.

So, The "Last Days" Timeline was written to shine light on all of prophetic scripture and connect Ezra to Daniel to Nephi to Isaiah to Joseph Smith to Jesus in 3rd Nephi to Ezekiel to John the Revelator. ALL of it.

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Remember, this is a collaborative work. So, my own opinion means nothing. I am interested in having many other people review the research and see what they think and how it all fits together. I wrote the book for my children so they would know what the future holds. It is a lifelong work. I plan on updating the material when new information comes into view. And when key events come to pass.

I'll be in the LDS Freedom Forum. So, feel free to pick my brain, I'll answer in the best way humanly possible. Or you can shoot me an email on the website. God bless.

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James-T-Prout wrote: September 12th, 2017, 10:41 pm Hi Marco,

Yes, I did write a book that included the information about the Ezra's Eagle Prophecy.

That prophecy changed my life. I was able to see many other connections in the scriptures that I had not seen before.

However, it is just one prophecy of about 50 recorded in the book: The "Last Days" Timeline.

I've always believed that God would show bits and pieces of prophecy to different prophets through dreams, visions, and open communication.
If only there was a way to match them up and put them in order.

Hundreds of Christians for 1000s of years have attempted it with the Bible alone.
But only with the Latter-Day Saint cannon of scriptural works can we get a much clearer picture. (Nephi particularly and Jesus in 3rd Nephi)

When you look at these Book of Mormon prophetic writings, along with the Bible, clarification and meaning come to the fore.
And when 2 chapters of the old King James Version of the Apocrypha (Ezra's Eagle) are added to Daniel Chap 7, magic happens.

And you can pinpoint where we are in the history of the world, as compared with what is to come with the various "beasts".

All the clouded definitions come to light. Including prophecy for 2017 in our current situation in the United States of America.

So, The "Last Days" Timeline was written to shine light on all of prophetic scripture and connect Ezra to Daniel to Nephi to Isaiah to Joseph Smith to Jesus in 3rd Nephi to Ezekiel to John the Revelator. ALL of it.

Image

Remember, this is a collaborative work. So, my own opinion means nothing. I am interested in having many other people review the research and see what they think and how it all fits together. I wrote the book for my children so they would know what the future holds. It is a lifelong work. I plan on updating the material when new information comes into view. And when key events come to pass.

I'll be in the LDS Freedom Forum. So, feel free to pick my brain, I'll answer in the best way humanly possible. Or you can shoot me an email on the website. God bless.
I just ordered my copy - looking forward to reading it very much!

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Recently, I found some more material sitting within the Ezra's Eagle Prophecy that I had not seen before.

I have spent months studying this prophecy of Ezra's in 2nd Esdras Chapters 11 and 12.

Free Online here: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/2- ... hapter-11/

And yet, there is still more to get out of it.

A reader emailed into me and asked a simple question:
"How many prophecies are fulfilled between The Eagle Kingdom and The United States of America?"
I would have guessed about 5-8 in the early part of Ezra's Eagle.

I was way low.

There were over 18 specific internal prophecy fulfillments. That was a bunch.

I wrote them as an up-date-able tool on our website. So that when more of the prophecy is fulfilled the upgrade will be automatic.

The tool looks like this:
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The tool is available here:
https://www.lastdaystimeline.com/ezras- ... lfillments

If you know about Ezra's Eagle, this Tool is a must-have.

Also, this tool will help the people who know about Ezra's Eagle but are waiting for Donald Trump to not finish his term of office...before they will believe.

I was one of those people when I first heard of this prophecy. This was my thought pattern:
1. Why not just wait until Donald Trump doesn't finish or is taken out?
2. It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to calculate that Trump is in trouble.
3. I'll wait until Mike Pence is taken out. Then I'll believe.
4. By then, it may be too late to prepare for the near future. The next 2 feathers are "eaten at the same time".
5. There must be some more internal evidence of this prophecy that can convince me I need to take action.

This tool for the early prophecy fulfillments of the Eagle Kingdom upon the United States of America helps short circuit that thought pattern.

I wish I would have had this, when I first learned of Ezra's Eagle.

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James-T-Prout wrote: October 5th, 2017, 3:09 pm Recently, I found some more material sitting within the Ezra's Eagle Prophecy that I had not seen before.

I have spent months studying this prophecy of Ezra's in 2nd Esdras Chapters 11 and 12.

Free Online here: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/2- ... hapter-11/

And yet, there is still more to get out of it.

A reader emailed into me and asked a simple question:
"How many prophecies are fulfilled between The Eagle Kingdom and The United States of America?"
I would have guessed about 5-8 in the early part of Ezra's Eagle.

I was way low.

There were over 18 specific internal prophecy fulfillments. That was a bunch.

I wrote them as an up-date-able tool on our website. So that when more of the prophecy is fulfilled the upgrade will be automatic.

The tool looks like this:
Image

The tool is available here:
https://www.lastdaystimeline.com/ezras- ... lfillments

If you know about Ezra's Eagle, this Tool is a must-have.

Also, this tool will help the people who know about Ezra's Eagle but are waiting for Donald Trump to not finish his term of office...before they will believe.

I was one of those people when I first heard of this prophecy. This was my thought pattern:
1. Why not just wait until Donald Trump doesn't finish or is taken out?
2. It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to calculate that Trump is in trouble.
3. I'll wait until Mike Pence is taken out. Then I'll believe.
4. By then, it may be too late to prepare for the near future. The next 2 feathers are "eaten at the same time".
5. There must be some more internal evidence of this prophecy that can convince me I need to take action.

This tool for the early prophecy fulfillments of the Eagle Kingdom upon the United States of America helps short circuit that thought pattern.

I wish I would have had this, when I first learned of Ezra's Eagle.
Thank you brother Prout for your hard work. I look forward to digging in should time ever permit. I have to say given how the gadianton-owned media and the left are in a constant, exhausting anti-trump frenzy, and are openly threatening impeachment and worse, it's not difficult to foresee things ending for Trump prematurely whether by pen or by sword.

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Hi Alaris,

Yeah. That is a good observation.

Over my lifetime, I have never seen the media attack a sitting US President like this. Think of how the opposing Party and privately owned media attacked Ronald Regan.

They attacked him, but not in a way that called for near open resistance to the authority of the office.

I remember the media attacking the genius of vice presidents. Like George HW Bush's vp Dan Quale.

If we had read the Ezra's Eagle prophecy in 1985, and had all the details understood, we would know we would have 5 more feathers until the fireworks begin.

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Unfortunately, we are reading and discovering the Ezra's Eagle prophecy in 2017. Which is right before the show starts.

However, it does tell us something about the current president, if the prophecy is applied backward.

You see, going into the Nov 2016 elections, with only 2 real choices, there were a lot of Republicans, Independents and even some Democrats that pulled the lever for Donald J. Trump in full knowledge that he wasn't a very moral man. (ie. the video of the lude talking about women).

But, if we as a people, would have read and understood the details of this Ezra's Eagle prophecy early, we could have known what type of leader he would be. (ie. a leader that does things his own way and that doesn't follow the prevailing agenda of the sleeping 3 Eagle heads.)

And that alone is a good thing.

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James-T-Prout wrote: October 6th, 2017, 8:30 am Hi Alaris,

Yeah. That is a good observation.

Over my lifetime, I have never seen the media attack a sitting US President like this. Think of how the opposing Party and privately owned media attacked Ronald Regan.

They attacked him, but not in a way that called for near open resistance to the authority of the office.

I remember the media attacking the genius of vice presidents. Like George HW Bush's vp Dan Quale.

If we had read the Ezra's Eagle prophecy in 1985, and had all the details understood, we would know we would have 5 more feathers until the fireworks begin.

Image


Unfortunately, we are reading and discovering the Ezra's Eagle prophecy in 2017. Which is right before the show starts.

However, it does tell us something about the current president, if the prophecy is applied backward.

You see, going into the Nov 2016 elections, with only 2 real choices, there were a lot of Republicans, Independents and even some Democrats that pulled the lever for Donald J. Trump in full knowledge that he wasn't a very moral man. (ie. the video of the lude talking about women).

But, if we as a people, would have read and understood the details of this Ezra's Eagle prophecy early, we could have known what type of leader he would be. (ie. a leader that does things his own way and that doesn't follow the prevailing agenda of the sleeping 3 Eagle heads.)

And that alone is a good thing.
Thanks for your work on Ezra's Eagle. I sent you an email with this question some weeks ago but didn't receive an answer. It was well summed up in a prior thread on this forum so I'll just quote:

"The problem I have with this vision from 2 Esdras is with the popular interpretation of chapter 11, verses 16-17. People claim that this refers to Franklin Delano Roosevelt but don't pay close attention to verse 17:

There shall none after thee attain unto thy time, neither unto the half thereof.

FDR served as President from March 4, 1933 to April 12, 1945. That is 12 years, 40 days. If any subsequent President were to serve for six years, 20 days, they would have attained half the time of FDR's presidency. If Harry Truman served 7 years, 9 months, 8 days then he would have exceeded half of FDR's Presidency. If Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, George W Bush, or Barry Obama served eight years each then all of them exceeded half of FDR's presidency.

I have yet to have anybody satisfactorily explain how six Presidents could serve more than six years and a month without exceeding half of FDR's time in office, thereby showing that they were the Presidents in question."

It seems that several presidents since FDR have "attained" unto half thereof...in fact, the ones listed were nearly 2/3 the time FDS served. He didn't complete 4 terms and several since have completely filled 2...so how does this fit in your mind?

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LDS Physician wrote: October 6th, 2017, 10:03 pm
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"The problem I have with this vision from 2 Esdras is with the popular interpretation of chapter 11, verses 16-17. People claim that this refers to Franklin Delano Roosevelt but don't pay close attention to verse 17:

There shall none after thee attain unto thy time, neither unto the half thereof.

FDR served as President from March 4, 1933 to April 12, 1945. That is 12 years, 40 days. If any subsequent President were to serve for six years, 20 days, they would have attained half the time of FDR's presidency. If Harry Truman served 7 years, 9 months, 8 days then he would have exceeded half of FDR's Presidency. If Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, George W Bush, or Barry Obama served eight years each then all of them exceeded half of FDR's presidency.

I have yet to have anybody satisfactorily explain how six Presidents could serve more than six years and a month without exceeding half of FDR's time in office, thereby showing that they were the Presidents in question."

It seems that several presidents since FDR have "attained" unto half thereof...in fact, the ones listed were nearly 2/3 the time FDS served. He didn't complete 4 terms and several since have completely filled 2...so how does this fit in your mind?
Presidential terms was something I explored, to come up with my hypothesis for 7 Years of Prosperity.

7 x 2 = 14 years is still more than 12 years & 40 days, but FDR died and his choice in VP may be considered an extension.

Another Idea is that FDR packed the Supreme Court, which also enlarged his influence well beyond what any subsequent president has done.

During his twelve years in office, President Franklin D. Roosevelt appointed eight new members of the Supreme Court of the United States:

How does this compare to the number of justices appointed by other presidents :?:

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BeNotDeceived wrote: October 6th, 2017, 11:14 pm
LDS Physician wrote: October 6th, 2017, 10:03 pm
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"The problem I have with this vision from 2 Esdras is with the popular interpretation of chapter 11, verses 16-17. People claim that this refers to Franklin Delano Roosevelt but don't pay close attention to verse 17:

There shall none after thee attain unto thy time, neither unto the half thereof.

FDR served as President from March 4, 1933 to April 12, 1945. That is 12 years, 40 days. If any subsequent President were to serve for six years, 20 days, they would have attained half the time of FDR's presidency. If Harry Truman served 7 years, 9 months, 8 days then he would have exceeded half of FDR's Presidency. If Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, George W Bush, or Barry Obama served eight years each then all of them exceeded half of FDR's presidency.

I have yet to have anybody satisfactorily explain how six Presidents could serve more than six years and a month without exceeding half of FDR's time in office, thereby showing that they were the Presidents in question."

It seems that several presidents since FDR have "attained" unto half thereof...in fact, the ones listed were nearly 2/3 the time FDS served. He didn't complete 4 terms and several since have completely filled 2...so how does this fit in your mind?
Presidential terms was something I explored, to come up with my hypothesis for 7 Years of Prosperity.

7 x 2 = 14 years is still more than 12 years & 40 days, but FDR died and his choice in VP may be considered an extension.

Another Idea is that FDR packed the Supreme Court, which also enlarged his influence well beyond what any subsequent president has done.

During his twelve years in office, President Franklin D. Roosevelt appointed eight new members of the Supreme Court of the United States:

How does this compare to the number of justices appointed by other presidents :?:
strettttttttttttttch that out! It just feels like quite the stretch to me. Or in another analogy: trying to force a puzzle piece (theory) into the space (the prophecy) when the fit just isn't right.

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Re: Notes on "Ezra's Eagle" Prophecy

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LDS Physician wrote: October 7th, 2017, 12:14 am
BeNotDeceived wrote: October 6th, 2017, 11:14 pm
LDS Physician wrote: October 6th, 2017, 10:03 pm
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"The problem I have with this vision from 2 Esdras is with the popular interpretation of chapter 11, verses 16-17. People claim that this refers to Franklin Delano Roosevelt but don't pay close attention to verse 17:

There shall none after thee attain unto thy time, neither unto the half thereof.

FDR served as President from March 4, 1933 to April 12, 1945. That is 12 years, 40 days. If any subsequent President were to serve for six years, 20 days, they would have attained half the time of FDR's presidency. If Harry Truman served 7 years, 9 months, 8 days then he would have exceeded half of FDR's Presidency. If Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, George W Bush, or Barry Obama served eight years each then all of them exceeded half of FDR's presidency.

I have yet to have anybody satisfactorily explain how six Presidents could serve more than six years and a month without exceeding half of FDR's time in office, thereby showing that they were the Presidents in question."

It seems that several presidents since FDR have "attained" unto half thereof...in fact, the ones listed were nearly 2/3 the time FDS served. He didn't complete 4 terms and several since have completely filled 2...so how does this fit in your mind?
Presidential terms was something I explored, to come up with my hypothesis for 7 Years of Prosperity.

7 x 2 = 14 years is still more than 12 years & 40 days, but FDR died and his choice in VP may be considered an extension.

Another Idea is that FDR packed the Supreme Court, which also enlarged his influence well beyond what any subsequent president has done.

During his twelve years in office, President Franklin D. Roosevelt appointed eight new members of the Supreme Court of the United States:

How does this compare to the number of justices appointed by other presidents :?:
strettttttttttttttch that out! It just feels like quite the stretch to me. Or in another analogy: trying to force a puzzle piece (theory) into the space (the prophecy) when the fit just isn't right.
I think, the biggest test for this prophecy, whether it might be true or is false, will be what happens to president Trump. If he completes his term without any drama-the 'prophecy' is debunked. If he doesnt, however, things will start to get interesting/intriguing.
Having said so, I will add I guess in its defence, that calling it false(or rather its connection to USA's presidents) based on 3 words"unto half thereof', without closely inspecting the original writing whilst realizing how closely it resembles POTUS' Term history, its very hasty to say the least. We all know that bible is full of mistranslations and it amazes me how many pearls can be found by simply using biblehub online original text tool and looking up meaning of the original words. Unfortunately, Esdras is not included in that tool :(
Morover, have you seen the picture of 'the book of revelation' paper used for translation? lol google it-theres chunks missing!!! and thers no way, that the translators didnt make some sort of assumptions. Same with Esdras, I presume

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Re: Notes on "Ezra's Eagle" Prophecy

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dafty wrote: October 7th, 2017, 12:54 am
LDS Physician wrote: October 7th, 2017, 12:14 am
BeNotDeceived wrote: October 6th, 2017, 11:14 pm
LDS Physician wrote: October 6th, 2017, 10:03 pm
...

"The problem I have with this vision from 2 Esdras is with the popular interpretation of chapter 11, verses 16-17. People claim that this refers to Franklin Delano Roosevelt but don't pay close attention to verse 17:

There shall none after thee attain unto thy time, neither unto the half thereof.

FDR served as President from March 4, 1933 to April 12, 1945. That is 12 years, 40 days. If any subsequent President were to serve for six years, 20 days, they would have attained half the time of FDR's presidency. If Harry Truman served 7 years, 9 months, 8 days then he would have exceeded half of FDR's Presidency. If Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, George W Bush, or Barry Obama served eight years each then all of them exceeded half of FDR's presidency.

I have yet to have anybody satisfactorily explain how six Presidents could serve more than six years and a month without exceeding half of FDR's time in office, thereby showing that they were the Presidents in question."

It seems that several presidents since FDR have "attained" unto half thereof...in fact, the ones listed were nearly 2/3 the time FDS served. He didn't complete 4 terms and several since have completely filled 2...so how does this fit in your mind?
Presidential terms was something I explored, to come up with my hypothesis for 7 Years of Prosperity.

7 x 2 = 14 years is still more than 12 years & 40 days, but FDR died and his choice in VP may be considered an extension.

Another Idea is that FDR packed the Supreme Court, which also enlarged his influence well beyond what any subsequent president has done.

During his twelve years in office, President Franklin D. Roosevelt appointed eight new members of the Supreme Court of the United States:

How does this compare to the number of justices appointed by other presidents :?:
strettttttttttttttch that out! It just feels like quite the stretch to me. Or in another analogy: trying to force a puzzle piece (theory) into the space (the prophecy) when the fit just isn't right.
I think, the biggest test for this prophecy, whether it might be true or is false, will be what happens to president Trump. If he completes his term without any drama-the 'prophecy' is debunked. If he doesnt, however, things will start to get interesting/intriguing.
Having said so, I will add I guess in its defence, that calling it false(or rather its connection to USA's presidents) based on 3 words"unto half thereof', without closely inspecting the original writing whilst realizing how closely it resembles POTUS' Term history, its very hasty to say the least. We all know that bible is full of mistranslations and it amazes me how many pearls can be found by simply using biblehub online original text tool and looking up meaning of the original words. Unfortunately, Esdras is not included in that tool :(
Morover, have you seen the picture of 'the book of revelation' paper used for translation? lol google it-theres chunks missing!!! and thers no way, that the translators didnt make some sort of assumptions. Same with Esdras, I presume

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