Civil War- Imminent or will cooler heads prevail?

[Spider]

If heard I could see this case causing a stir if the plaintiffs get a ruling in their favor. I would want to see the evidence of the Russian interfering because I think the intelligence agencies can not be trusted. If SCOTUS decides to hear this case I would like to hear what was argued and what questions were asked by the justices...

Supreme Court To Make Landmark Ruling On ‘Voiding The Election’

A lawsuit filed to rule the election result null and void and declare President Trump an illegitimate president has made it all the way to the Supreme Court.

The ‘Void The Election’ case, as it is known in legal circles, was filed by three Massachusetts women, Diane Blumstein, Nancy Goodman, and Donna Soodalter-Toman, and has been heard by a Supreme Court Justice. It is now on the docket and awaiting response by the defendants.


While the suit is being presented as a miraculous, grassroots push by the three women against all odds, it actually represents the latest attempt by the elite to overturn the result of the election and suggests the Democratic party and Hillary Clinton have still not accepted the loss.

“We decided to file suit to nullify the election and we consulted with constitutional lawyers, cyber security folks, the CIA,” the group stated in a letter. “They told us that yes the Russians hacked the elections but we would not be able to formulate a plan and get and a writ to court. We did. We were told the federal district court would not hear it. They did.“

“They not only heart it, they…expedited our path. We were told we could not get it to the Supreme Court. We did. We were told we could not get it heard by a Justice. We did. Twice.”

“Against all odds and the predictions of many, our case #16-907, awaits the Supreme Court’s hearing.“

The plaintiffs believe the election must be held all over again, in the interests of fairness.

Describing the court case as a “legal and peaceful way to solve our problem“, the letter also states “we need to connect with big name celebrities ASAP.”

However opponents of the suit claim that it is an attempt to “create a civil war.“

“Do you want civil war?” a Twitter user asked. “This is how you create a civil war.”

The Supreme Court case is the latest attempt by the elite to overturn the result of a free and fair election. They waged a six-week campaign behind the scenes attempting to convince Republican electors not to vote for Donald Trump and confirm him as President. That failed – embarrassingly – after Hillary Clinton actually lost more electors than Donald Trump, and the most by any presidential candidate in over a century.

Then outgoing President Obama and DHS Chief Jeh Johnson tried to seize control of the election system in America by illegally federalizing it, attempting to give themselves the legal right to overturn the result. That also failed.

Massive, Soros funded protests heaved across the nation, attempting to portray Trump as an illegitimate president. And mainstream media has worked overtime attempting to smear the President in any way possible, even with fake news – most notably the unverified dossier published by BuzzFeed and instantly jumped on by CNN in a desperate attempt to destabilize the new administration.

Now we have the Supreme Court case, the last dangerous roll of the dice for the elite who have refused to change their platform and would love to hold new elections and resurrect their mascot Clinton.

Wow!!

[Still Learning]

Sounds fabricated to me. No other source to verify?

[Joel]

SCOTUS denies to hear most cases I would think this case would be no different, even if it was heard seems like a waste of time maybe I am just biased because of my distrust of the intelligence community

read what was filed: http://progressivearmy.com/wp-content/u ... ndamus.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[DesertWonderer]

Can we discuss the current situation in the USA in regards to the protests, illegal immigration, who the President is--Trump, and who it is not --Obama and Hillary.

I keep thinking things will blow over as soon as the dramatic changes and put out, people have time to adapt, and bigger priorites-like working, taking care of family- come once again into focus.

But....I have family that is so against Pres. Trump that I really think they would support a civil war IF Hillary as president was the outcome.

Will these issues work themselves out peacefully? If anything happens to Pres. Trump, I think his supporters would give the leftist protesters a lesson on expressing their grievances.

There will be no shooting civil war HOWEVER we are in a civil war of morality / words right now. I wonder, is THAT what is foretold??? Most likely.

[LdsMarco]

This post reminds me of the obscured prophecy made by Joseph Smith. We can't, with 100% certainty, attribute this to Joseph Smith but I thought I'd share

[paulrobots]

There will be Civil War II in the USA. When? I don't know. I believe that the words spoken by the Prophets and Apostles will be realized in time.

“Too often we bask in our comfortable complacency and rationalize that the ravages of war, economic disaster, famine, and earthquake cannot happen here. Those who believe this are either not acquainted with the revelations of the Lord, or they do not believe them. Those who smugly think these calamities will not happen, that they somehow will be set aside because of the righteousness of the Saints, are deceived and will rue the day they harbored such a delusion. (Ezra Taft Benson, “Prepare for the Days of Tribulation,” Ensign, Nov. 1980, 32.)

God has sent forth His warning message in the midst of this nation, but they have rejected it and treated His servants with contempt; the Lord has gathered out His people from their midst, and has planted them here in these mountains; and He will speedily fulfill the prophecy in relation to the overthrow of this nation, and their destruction. We shall be obliged to have a government to preserve ourselves in unity and peace; for they, through being wasted away, will not have the power to govern; for state will be divided against state, city against city, town against town, and the whole country will be in terror and confusion; mobocracy will prevail and there will be no security, through this great Republic, for the lives or property of the people. (Orson Pratt, Deseret Evening News, Oct. 2, 1875)

The internal fires of revolution are already smouldering in this nation, and they need but a spark to set them in a flame. Already are agencies at work in the land calculated to subvert and overthrow every principle of rule and government; already is corruption of every kind prevailing in high places and permeating all society; already are we, as a nation, departing from our God and corrupting ourselves with malfeasance, dishonor and a lack of public integrity and good faith; already are licentiousness and debauchery corrupting, undermining and destroying society; already are we interfering with the laws of nature and stopping the functions of life, and have become the slayers of our own offspring, and employ human butchers in the shape of physicians to assist in this diabolical and murderous work. The sins of this nation, the licentiousness, the debauchery, the murders are entering into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth, and I tell you now, from the tops of these mountains, as a humble servant of the living God, that unless these cries and infamies are stopped, this nation will be overthrown and its glory, power, dominion and wealth will fade away like the dews of a summer morning. I also say to other nations of the earth, that unless they repent of their crimes, their iniquities and abominations, their thrones will be overturned, their kingdoms and governments overthrown, and their lands made desolate. This is not only my saying, but it is the saying of those ancient prophets which they themselves profess to believe; for God will speedily have a controversy with the nations of the earth, and, as I stated before, the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way to overthrow governments, to destroy dynasties, to lay waste thrones, kingdoms and empires, to spread abroad anarchy and desolation, and to cause war, famine and bloodshed to overspread the earth. (John Taylor, JD 23:62-63, 1882)

[brianj]

There will be no shooting civil war HOWEVER we are in a civil war of morality / words right now. I wonder, is THAT what is foretold??? Most likely.

Nope. What we see right now, the war of morality as you described it, is a continuation of the war in heaven. One day, I don't know how soon, we will see what has been prophesied: a real civil war where people will be killing one another with various weapons, a war where there will "be a fleeing from one city to another, from one State to another, from one part of the continent to another, seeking refuge, from the devastations of bandits and armies..." (Masterful Discourses of Orson Pratt)

I can expect to take some heat from dissenters over this, but when this war comes I expect the faithful to be preserved the same way Omer and his household were preserved during Jaredite civil wars (Ether 9:3-13).

[lundbaek]

The problem I see with the idea that the faithful will be preserved from the wars/calamities caused by disagreements over how the U.S.A. should be governed is that being faithful, IMO, includes learning the principles of the U.S. Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers, awakening to our current "awful situation", and doing all we can to preserve our freedoms, as we have been commanded to do. And this, I am convinced, far too many otherwise faithful latter-day saints have done little or nothing about.

The dissent I get over this is that since the Prophet is not addressing these subjects now, we are under no obligation to take actions to preserve our liberty/freedom. This may be true for those who have never had the opportunity to hear or read what past prophets and apostles have said about these things, but for those of us who did hear and read their admonitions there is, I believe, a serious responsibility.

[Book of Ruth]

I wonder if when Zion is the only place that is not with one another is it because of we finally see war as it really is in these last days?

If the majority of the people wake up and see that Satan is manipulating both sides of a civil war, it would make sense that the people of Zions will not fight until the wicked on the side of liberty have perished.

When the more humble, believers of Christ remain. Then the boys from the north come and help.

Just wondering if I'm way off base in this? It just doesn't seem logical that if there was a truly God fearing army fighting for freedom and principles as outlined in the Constitution that the LDS believers wouldn't be in this fight for our freedom.

[brianj]

I wonder if when Zion is the only place that is not with one another is it because of we finally see war as it really is in these last days?

If the majority of the people wake up and see that Satan is manipulating both sides of a civil war, it would make sense that the people of Zions will not fight until the wicked on the side of liberty have perished.

When the more humble, believers of Christ remain. Then the boys from the north come and help.

Just wondering if I'm way off base in this? It just doesn't seem logical that if there was a truly God fearing army fighting for freedom and principles as outlined in the Constitution that the LDS believers wouldn't be in this fight for our freedom.

I am not convinced we will have to do much fighting, if any, other than defending ourselves. Read Ether 9:3-13 to see an example of being preserved through a civil war without having to fight.

[Older/wiser?]

I have always wondered the exact meaning of Rev. 13: 9-10 vs 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. vs 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: He that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and faith of the saints. In trying to assess the usage of these verses I was thinking of the last great battles of the people of moroni, and cumorah. War total destruction . People after having loss so much became so hard hearted they would rather all perish than let any live even down to the last soul. So how would so much blood shed leave any left at the time of the second coming. Now looking at the above verses compare Alma 24:16-27 The way of saving, martyrs, when it says "Here is the patience and faith of the saints". It seems to me we are given a warning. I have read D&C 5:14 where the Lord compares his church coming out of the wilderness "clear as the moon", and fair as the sun, this comparison is repeated in D&C 105:31 I have seen many fall to a spiritual death, and wonder if the moon turning to blood can't also symbolize a martyrdom of some of the saints. (As in Alma 24) there are several reasons this is a possibility, it fully condemns the wicked, and justifies the full measure of judgement while sanctifying the righteous. Long story short cooler heads prevailing? not a chance, war Imminent I believe so, how we handle it as saints, individually or as a group that may depend on our patience and faith. IMHO

[Original_Intent]

I do not believe cooler heads will prevail. Right now, all that is needed is a spark.

[Durzan]

Fun fact, there is less conflict international conflict nowadays than in the 20th century... though with the current tensions, that could easily change.

[lundbaek]

What have Church general authorities said recently by way of warning us about civil war, or about war between nations ? Should we even concern ourselves about such wars at this time ?

[lundbaek]

What have Church general authorities said recently by way of warning us about civil war, or about war between nations ? Should we even concern ourselves about such wars at this time ?

[brianj]

What have Church general authorities said recently by way of warning us about civil war, or about war between nations ? Should we even concern ourselves about such wars at this time ?

Last April I visited the Houston area. I wouldn't have gone there if church general authorities warned of flooding. And I never heard of any statements from church general authorities warning of flooding last spring and summer in other parts of the country. Last March there weren't any warnings issued to the Paris mission to not let missionaries go to the Brussels airport on a specific day.

A faithful church member should not expect inspired leaders of the church to give us specific details of what is going to happen or when. I recall President Hinckley encouraging members to pay off debts and save money in the late 90s, and a few years later he essentially said, "I told you so!" There was never any warning that the economy was going to decline, but those who didn't follow his counsel were not as well off as those who did.
We have been warned that there will be another civil war far worse than the first one. We have been warned of war, plague, famine, and natural disasters that will come to our nation. After those warnings anybody who thinks there's nothing to worry about until the prophet gives specific warnings needs to adopt another attitude.

[Book of Ruth]

As a few more months have passed by, it seems that the lines are becoming clearer... on 1 side it is urban globalism and the other is nationalism.

I had always read 3 Nephi 7 vs 2as the government was destroyed and the people divided into tribes, but the other day I read it and realized that it actually says, "and the people were divided one against another; and they did separate one from another into tribes........;and thus they did destroy the government of the land."

This just struck me how fragile governments can be, when the people no longer uphold the government then it is destroyed. It makes no sense that the gadiantons would want to destroy the government that they nearly completely control unless the agenda is to destroy the American government to bring about a world government. In which case, I would think that the leftist would continue to receive all the hate filled ammo to ignite a civil war along with the funding and media hype to spew their cause.

If the uneducated left is committed to being pawns in a truly evil plot, I'm not sure how a bloody battle will be avoided.

[Sunain]

As a few more months have passed by, it seems that the lines are becoming clearer... on 1 side it is urban globalism and the other is nationalism.

If the uneducated left is committed to being pawns in a truly evil plot, I'm not sure how a bloody battle will be avoided.

Since the election, the left has literally gone insane. The political correctness garbage being spewed by them will further their agenda to stifle religion and freedom of religion faster than I think any of us truly realize. I agree with you on the urban globalism and the nationalism part as well. White washing history isn't a good thing either. We need to learn from history not try to pretend it's bad or erase it.

[Book of Ruth]

This shooting in Vegas is crazy, it looks like a left attack on people who are majority right country music fans, but I'm not sure. What's troubling are the comments coming out on how republicans deserve this. How do they know who was republican and who was not, and why does it matter? This satanic scheme to divide us will be the death of us.

Have we really become so hard hearted that people being shot with no way to protect themselves are to blame?

What is the difference between people in an open arena being shot like sheep to slaughter and the Jews being shot in an open field with no way to defend themselves? This is sick, sick!

[Gage]

What have Church general authorities said recently by way of warning us about civil war, or about war between nations ? Should we even concern ourselves about such wars at this time ?

Last April I visited the Houston area. I wouldn't have gone there if church general authorities warned of flooding. And I never heard of any statements from church general authorities warning of flooding last spring and summer in other parts of the country. Last March there weren't any warnings issued to the Paris mission to not let missionaries go to the Brussels airport on a specific day.

A faithful church member should not expect inspired leaders of the church to give us specific details of what is going to happen or when. I recall President Hinckley encouraging members to pay off debts and save money in the late 90s, and a few years later he essentially said, "I told you so!" There was never any warning that the economy was going to decline, but those who didn't follow his counsel were not as well off as those who did.
We have been warned that there will be another civil war far worse than the first one. We have been warned of war, plague, famine, and natural disasters that will come to our nation. After those warnings anybody who thinks there's nothing to worry about until the prophet gives specific warnings needs to adopt another attitude.

This is the problem with many LDS. They think the Prophets are there to warn us of every natural disaster, every killing spree, every wide spread calamity. Where does this come from? This is why people follow the Julie Rowe's of the world. Julie makes her money by putting fear into people. People have to have something to visualize, something they are told is happening. A prophet telling members to have 1 year supply of food ready is just not enough I guess, too boring, they need to have a reason told to them of why. If the Prophet said an earthquake is coming next week get your food supply ready, the store shelves in Salt Lake would be empty. It has to do with faith, have faith in the Prophet that food storage is something you are going to need and use at some point in time. Until then, fear not and live the Gospel. People think a prophet is not a prophet unless he is constantly telling us of future disasters, a Prophet is a teacher, a spiritual leader. The Lord has already warned the Prophets to warn us. But let Julie Rowe tell you an earthquake is hitting next week and people run around scared and preparing for it.

[markharr]

SCOTUS denies to hear most cases I would think this case would be no different, even if it was heard seems like a waste of time maybe I am just biased because of my distrust of the intelligence community

read what was filed: http://progressivearmy.com/wp-content/u ... ndamus.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If SCOTUS declines to hear it, the lower court ruling stands.

[Bronco73idi]

https://refusefascism.org/2017/08/06/th ... e-must-go/

There is a lot of hate out there and all we can do is love.

[Sunain]

https://refusefascism.org/2017/08/06/th ... e-must-go/

There is a lot of hate out there and all we can do is love.

That's a very disturbing website... These people way to fight against a democratically elected president because they don't agree with the people that voted for Trump. It's starting to get out of control with the PC people.

[Seek the Truth]

Looks like cooler heads prevailed.

[Seek the Truth]

https://refusefascism.org/2017/08/06/th ... e-must-go/

There is a lot of hate out there and all we can do is love.

We can fight back and defeat.