That seems very hard to comprehend. @-)D&C 130
6 The angels do not reside on a planet like this earth;
7 But they reside in the presence of God, on a globe like a sea of glass and fire, where all things for their glory are manifest, past, present, and future, and are continually before the Lord.
8 The place where God resides is a great Urim and Thummim.
Zion2080 wrote: TELESTIAL:
1. Earth-like planet
D&C 76:89
And thus we saw, in the heavenly vision, the glory of the telestial, which surpasses all understanding;
Actually St. George - Hurricane in the 60s and 70s was Celestial enough for me. I can't believe it. Nobody could keep it to themselves. St. George from a nice little town of about 8,000 to a metropolis of about 100,000. Can't anybody keep a secret? Cedar City was actually much bigger than St. George then. I tell people that I could have been sitting under a palm tree drinking lemonade, and decide that I would like to do some skiing, and in just about an hour be on wonderful slopes in 10 feet of some of the greatest powder in the world... or I could go ripping up the desert on a dirt bike, spelunking in wonderful caves that nobody except locals knew about.....or enjoying other of Mother Nature's finest.Celestial World? It'll look like Colorado. Well, it'll look like Colorado did back in the 70's and 80's before it got filled up with horrid escapees from Califreakazone.
Work, maybe. Heartache? What makes you say that?Robin Hood wrote:Maybe it's just me, but the Terrestrial Kingdom sounds great.
The Celestial seems to entail a lot of work and heartache.
I get enough of that here.
Robin Hood,LDScop wrote:Work, maybe. Heartache? What makes you say that?Robin Hood wrote:Maybe it's just me, but the Terrestrial Kingdom sounds great.
The Celestial seems to entail a lot of work and heartache.
I get enough of that here.
HEY! My peeps are from Lancashire! :ymblushing:Robin Hood wrote:Celestial Kingdom is Yorkshire.
I thought everyone knew that.
Outer Darkness? Lancashire, or maybe France.
But your "eternal family" doesn't really exist the way we keep trying to make it exist. On earth we have this idea of an nuclear family of mom, dad and the kids. That works just fine until the kids grow up and make their own "eternal families". Little Johnny marries Little Sally from down the street, and has a baby. Now they have an "eternal family". And Sally's parents (never really liked those in-laws anyway) have the audacity to think that Johnny is now part of their "eternal family". Johnny's five siblings all marry and suddenly we have five additional "eternal families" all claiming the "eternal family" title. And the next generation goes off mucks it up even worse!jwharton wrote:The kingdoms of glory are defined by the laws one lives in accordance with.
If a group of people truly live in accordance with Celestial Law, then they abide a Celestial Kingdom.
So, the Celestial Kingdom is supposed to be built up right here as we keep our covenants to do just that.
If we don't build the Father's Kingdom according to His Laws of the Celestial Order, we get what we build.
Only those who build up and abide the laws and plan of the Father build up an eternal inheritance.
You do not get to create "worlds without end" if you have rejected things like Celestial Marriage, United Orders, etc.
In what manner do we have the capacity to create "worlds without end"?
This means your wife or wives will be sealed to you by the Holy Spirit of promise.
Your family will be sealed to you for time and for all eternity.
Thus, in the "world to come", you shall rise up in your resurrection in glory and your eternal family with you.
We don't need to be carted off to some other physical planet in the galaxy in order to receive the complete fulfillment of all that God promises.
Sandinista wrote:But your "eternal family" doesn't really exist the way we keep trying to make it exist. On earth we have this idea of an nuclear family of mom, dad and the kids. That works just fine until the kids grow up and make their own "eternal families". Little Johnny marries Little Sally from down the street, and has a baby. Now they have an "eternal family". And Sally's parents (never really liked those in-laws anyway) have the audacity to think that Johnny is now part of their "eternal family". Johnny's five siblings all marry and suddenly we have five additional "eternal families" all claiming the "eternal family" title. And the next generation goes off mucks it up even worse!jwharton wrote:The kingdoms of glory are defined by the laws one lives in accordance with.
If a group of people truly live in accordance with Celestial Law, then they abide a Celestial Kingdom.
So, the Celestial Kingdom is supposed to be built up right here as we keep our covenants to do just that.
If we don't build the Father's Kingdom according to His Laws of the Celestial Order, we get what we build.
Only those who build up and abide the laws and plan of the Father build up an eternal inheritance.
You do not get to create "worlds without end" if you have rejected things like Celestial Marriage, United Orders, etc.
In what manner do we have the capacity to create "worlds without end"?
This means your wife or wives will be sealed to you by the Holy Spirit of promise.
Your family will be sealed to you for time and for all eternity.
Thus, in the "world to come", you shall rise up in your resurrection in glory and your eternal family with you.
We don't need to be carted off to some other physical planet in the galaxy in order to receive the complete fulfillment of all that God promises.
See, the problem is that we want to understand "families" based on our earthly definition. We need to understand "eternal families" based on God's definition. We are his "eternal family", and when we are sealed together as "families" we are in effect sealed into a single unbroken lineage of God's family, from Adam and Eve down until the last child.
But wait, what about "families can be together forever"? Yes, all of God's children are together in one big "family", with all sorts of relationships and connections.
Way too deep of a subject for this forum, but the next time you go to the Temple do sealings and listen closely to the words of both the sealing of children to parent's and husband's to wives. Two totally different sets of promises, blessings, associations, etc. I'm an ordinance worker and the thing I love to do most is sealings because each time I listen to those ordinances I learn just a little bit more about what "families" really are all about.
I'm not saying that our child like understanding of "families" is wrong, I'm just saying that it only barely scratches the surface of what "eternal families" really are in God's sphere of existence.
St. George? I've been there in July. I could swear we were a mile away from the Sun. Remember, there's Athabascan blood running through my veins (along with an inordinately high level of bacon grease.) That automatically means I need a bare minimum of 20 degrees less than a normal person for me to think it's okay.gclayjr wrote:Actually St. George - Hurricane in the 60s and 70s was Celestial enough for me.
Your comments don't really seem to be related to anything I said.Sandinista wrote:But your "eternal family" doesn't really exist the way we keep trying to make it exist. On earth we have this idea of an nuclear family of mom, dad and the kids. That works just fine until the kids grow up and make their own "eternal families". Little Johnny marries Little Sally from down the street, and has a baby. Now they have an "eternal family". And Sally's parents (never really liked those in-laws anyway) have the audacity to think that Johnny is now part of their "eternal family". Johnny's five siblings all marry and suddenly we have five additional "eternal families" all claiming the "eternal family" title. And the next generation goes off mucks it up even worse!jwharton wrote:The kingdoms of glory are defined by the laws one lives in accordance with.
If a group of people truly live in accordance with Celestial Law, then they abide a Celestial Kingdom.
So, the Celestial Kingdom is supposed to be built up right here as we keep our covenants to do just that.
If we don't build the Father's Kingdom according to His Laws of the Celestial Order, we get what we build.
Only those who build up and abide the laws and plan of the Father build up an eternal inheritance.
You do not get to create "worlds without end" if you have rejected things like Celestial Marriage, United Orders, etc.
In what manner do we have the capacity to create "worlds without end"?
This means your wife or wives will be sealed to you by the Holy Spirit of promise.
Your family will be sealed to you for time and for all eternity.
Thus, in the "world to come", you shall rise up in your resurrection in glory and your eternal family with you.
We don't need to be carted off to some other physical planet in the galaxy in order to receive the complete fulfillment of all that God promises.
See, the problem is that we want to understand "families" based on our earthly definition. We need to understand "eternal families" based on God's definition. We are his "eternal family", and when we are sealed together as "families" we are in effect sealed into a single unbroken lineage of God's family, from Adam and Eve down until the last child.
But wait, what about "families can be together forever"? Yes, all of God's children are together in one big "family", with all sorts of relationships and connections.
Way too deep of a subject for this forum, but the next time you go to the Temple do sealings and listen closely to the words of both the sealing of children to parent's and husband's to wives. Two totally different sets of promises, blessings, associations, etc. I'm an ordinance worker and the thing I love to do most is sealings because each time I listen to those ordinances I learn just a little bit more about what "families" really are all about.
I'm not saying that our child like understanding of "families" is wrong, I'm just saying that it only barely scratches the surface of what "eternal families" really are in God's sphere of existence.
What? Oh, that's approaching blasphemy. If there's no bacon, and there's no pepperoni for pizza, and no prime rib I fail to see how it can be called Heaven. ;-DMatchmaker wrote:We will all be vegetarians....
Here's a thought that occurred to me as I was reading your comment. We are taught that everything was created spiritually before being created temporally. Perhaps our premortal spirits lived on that spiritual earth at the time of the war in heaven. I don't know if there's anything to it, but it is an interesting idea.alaris wrote:That seems very hard to comprehend. @-)D&C 130
6 The angels do not reside on a planet like this earth;
7 But they reside in the presence of God, on a globe like a sea of glass and fire, where all things for their glory are manifest, past, present, and future, and are continually before the Lord.
8 The place where God resides is a great Urim and Thummim.
I believe the war in heaven took place in a terrestrial sphere as I do not believe war can exist where sin cannot. That said I believe that the terrestrial worlds recon time differently than the CK and cannot see the future. We required faith to be chosen (Alma 13) in the premortal realm. There would be no need for faith if we could see the end from the beginning. Perhaps the terrestrial worlds are the buffer or the dmz between God's forces and telestial or even outter darkness beings. This is why Michael has to deal with The Dragon once and for all before the earth ascends. No loose ends.
I've been through St. George in the winter and spring, and it is a beautiful area. But I was also there last August and it was hot as... you know where.gclayjr wrote:skmo,
Actually St. George - Hurricane in the 60s and 70s was Celestial enough for me. I can't believe it. Nobody could keep it to themselves. St. George from a nice little town of about 8,000 to a metropolis of about 100,000. Can't anybody keep a secret? Cedar City was actually much bigger than St. George then. I tell people that I could have been sitting under a palm tree drinking lemonade, and decide that I would like to do some skiing, and in just about an hour be on wonderful slopes in 10 feet of some of the greatest powder in the world... or I could go ripping up the desert on a dirt bike, spelunking in wonderful caves that nobody except locals knew about.....or enjoying other of Mother Nature's finest.
But some body had to tell some 90,000 other people about it and now it is just another big city!
Regards,
George Clay
St. George? I've been there in July. I could swear we were a mile away from the Sun.
31 years ago, I moved to Pennsylvania from Jupiter Fl. Talk about hot as...you know. Southern Florida, is miserable 9 months out of the year. And it is true, it's not the heat as much as the humidity. I remember, back in St. George, on a hot summer day, getting my feet burned, if I was foolish enough to step out on the sidewalk bare foot, or my hand burned if I touched a car door that was sitting in the sun. I really didn't notice just how hot it was until I did something so foolish.But I was also there last August and it was hot as... you know where
