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Talon65
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Moving on to the next Prophecy -

at least this one is based on actual Scripture :)
Apocryphal yes, but the LDS Church website says 2nd Esdras is "of Special Value"
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bd/apocrypha" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

now go here:
http://thelost10tribes.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chapter 2 of this book, "Esdras Eagle" covers a prophesy found in 2nd Esdras, in it, are these bits:
using the symbolism of an Eagle (America) with various "feathers" or "wings" (Leaders) a timeline can be formed.

Highlights:

1. Obama will be the last full-term President
2. there will be 6 more Presidents after Obama
3. the next 4 will not serve out their full terms
(whether they meet their fates together in one event, or separately remains to be seen, but the author postulates that the first 4 in the line of succession could all be eliminated in a single event (see below)
3. then some "major event" will happen,(return of the 10 tribes) followed by 2 more Presidents...

currently the Presidential Line of Succession is as follows (3&4 will potentially change in 2 years)
1. D. Trump
2. M. Pence
3. P. Ryan
4. O. Hatch

the Author further postulates that the State of the Union Address is the only time these 4 people are in the same building at the same time. there is always a Cabinet Member not in attendance, a so-called "designated survivor" who would assume the Presidency
if something were to happen to the others in some form of Terrorist attack, for example...

this person would be a "key player" in the events that follow...

you can read the rest yourself if you wish... I found it quite interesting..

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Talon65 wrote:Moving on to the next Prophecy -

at least this one is based on actual Scripture :)
Apocryphal yes, but the LDS Church website says 2nd Esdras is "of Special Value"
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bd/apocrypha" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

now go here:
http://thelost10tribes.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chapter 2 of this book, "Esdras Eagle" covers a prophesy found in 2nd Esdras, in it, are these bits:
using the symbolism of an Eagle (America) with various "feathers" or "wings" (Leaders) a timeline can be formed.

Highlights:

1. Obama will be the last full-term President
2. there will be 6 more Presidents after Obama
3. the next 4 will not serve out their full terms
(whether they meet their fates together in one event, or separately remains to be seen, but the author postulates that the first 4 in the line of succession could all be eliminated in a single event (see below)
3. then some "major event" will happen,(return of the 10 tribes) followed by 2 more Presidents...

currently the Presidential Line of Succession is as follows (3&4 will potentially change in 2 years)
1. D. Trump
2. M. Pence
3. P. Ryan
4. O. Hatch

the Author further postulates that the State of the Union Address is the only time these 4 people are in the same building at the same time. there is always a Cabinet Member not in attendance, a so-called "designated survivor" who would assume the Presidency
if something were to happen to the others in some form of Terrorist attack, for example...

this person would be a "key player" in the events that follow...

you can read the rest yourself if you wish... I found it quite interesting..
Thanks for the link to LDS.Org:
The Second Book of Esdras. Contains seven visions or revelations made to Ezra, who is represented as grieving over the afflictions of his people and perplexed at the triumph of gentile sinners. The book is marked by a tone of deep melancholy. The only note of consolation is presented in the thought of the retribution that is to fall upon the heads of the Gentiles who have crushed the Jews. The references to the Messiah (7:28–29; 12:32; 13:32, 37, 52) deserve special notice. Many scholars feel the book was composed in the 1st century A.D.
I enjoyed reading TheLost10Tribes. I liked the author's thoughts on the return of the Ten Tribes!

As far as the second chapter, the author's interpretation of the vision can be debatable. We will see. According to the author's point, Obama is the last full term president. Trump's will be cut short along with the line of succession, that is when the bad person/s come in.

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There is a TV show built on this premis call Designated Survivor " I've been watching it, it not too bad really and it give a lesson in some of the more obscure parts of the constitution.

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Yes, it is interesting - we've been watching it, as well. ^^ The powers that be do seem to enjoy forewarning (or maybe gloating is a better word :-? ) us of what they intend to do, so, who knows.

As to Hatch being 4th in line to the presidency - have mercy on our souls... [-( =; :ymsick:

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Could someone help me out with the author's "Timer". If I read it correctly, the author claims we will go through 6 more presidents in less than 2 years. Is that right?

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Hatch was the designated survivor yesterday.

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I sure hope Chaos is the designated survivor if something happens. The General will be polite and professional, but will have a plan to destroy every nation he meets with.

The original post here reminds me of Tom Clancy's book Debt of Honor. In that book a Japanese airline pilot, upset over his country losing another war with the US and the death of another family member, kills his copilot and steals his 747. He flies out over the Atlantic, reports an emergency and sets a course for Andrews AFB. During a joint session of Congress with the President and Supreme Court justices in attendance, he flies over Andrews and crashes into the Capitol building. A Secret Service officer is able to hit the plane with a Stinger missile but it's too late to do any good.

These days we have an Air Defense Identification Zone over the District of Columbia with a roughly 35 mile radius, and a plane approaching after declaring an emergency would probably have an armed fighter escort. But that ADIZ only extends to 18,000 feet above sea level. A heavy jet flying at 500 miles per hour, 435 knots, at 25,000 feet that entered a steep dive would crash into the Capitol just over half a minute after deviating from the assigned altitude.

Though such a scenario is highly unlikely, it is entirely possible.

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Todd wrote:Could someone help me out with the author's "Timer". If I read it correctly, the author claims we will go through 6 more presidents in less than 2 years. Is that right?
As I understand it, its 2 more years before a "major event" - 4 Presidents before it, 2 after... so if this is true/accurate - the next 2 years will be rather eventful...

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I've really enjoyed the author's interpretation and commentary on the Esdras prophesy. However, he does make assumptions which don't match up with what the book states. For instance, he conjectures that the president (Trump) and 3 of his successors will be killed all at the same time - further supposing that it would be while they were altogether during a state of the union address. Well, this simply isn't written in the book. It says that the president (Trump, says the author) will have his time in office cut short and that his successor's time in office will be even shorter. If you take his interpretation with a grain of salt and recognize when he inserts his opinion in ways that aren't supported by the text of the prophesy, it is very interesting and fun to read. In fact, the Lord himself told JS that the apocrypha had truth in it and that readers should study it with the spirit. Interesting stuff.

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Give it a rest already guys.

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LDS Physician wrote:I've really enjoyed the author's interpretation and commentary on the Esdras prophesy. However, he does make assumptions which don't match up with what the book states. For instance, he conjectures that the president (Trump) and 3 of his successors will be killed all at the same time - further supposing that it would be while they were altogether during a state of the union address. Well, this simply isn't written in the book. It says that the president (Trump, says the author) will have his time in office cut short and that his successor's time in office will be even shorter. If you take his interpretation with a grain of salt and recognize when he inserts his opinion in ways that aren't supported by the text of the prophesy, it is very interesting and fun to read. In fact, the Lord himself told JS that the apocrypha had truth in it and that readers should study it with the spirit. Interesting stuff.
I made this same observation! - I distinctly remember the "next will be even shorter" line - had to go back and re-read it to be sure... thanks for the post!

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The author is providing one possible example of how the events described in Ezra's eagle go down. He is not stating that it will go down that way. It is curious that #3 and #4 are counted as little feathers even though they never rise to the Presidency. If this is the case, might it not also be possible that Pence was counted as a small feather without neccesarily assuming the Presidency himself? On the other hand,if Pence actually assumed the Presidency, that would change #3 to whoever he selected as VP, and #4 to Paul Ryan. Either way its pretty darn impressive that he put this together, I've never seen anyone else make this connection. Have you? :-?

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I guess we may as well keep up the machine gun prophecies. Send enough down range and somethings bound to hit eventually.

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@-)

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markharr wrote:Image

Ah yes. Harold Camping.

Here's a nice article that talks about the aftermath of his rapture predictions. It should be a must-read for all who follow spurious sources. http://religiondispatches.org/a-year-af ... -they-now/

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The problem I have with this interpretation of 2 Esdras is the idea that the big feather refers to Franklin Delano Roosevelt. In chapter 11, verse 17 says that no feather will attain half the time of the big feather. FDR's term was March 4, 1933 to April 12, 1945, 12 years, one month, eight days. Half that time would be six years, 19.5 days. But both of the two subsequent Presedents, Truman and Eisenhower, served two terms as did Reagan, Clinton, Bush, and Obama.
Perhaps you will claim that no President would exceed half of Roosevelt's elected term of 16 years, but I would dispute this as well. From 1793 to 1933 inauguration day was March 4, or March 5 when the 4th fell on a Sunday. So Roosevelt's elected terms would have been 15 years, 10.5 months and any President to serve a full eight years exceeds half Roosevelt's elected terms.

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brianj wrote:The problem I have with this interpretation of 2 Esdras is the idea that the big feather refers to Franklin Delano Roosevelt. In chapter 11, verse 17 says that no feather will attain half the time of the big feather. FDR's term was March 4, 1933 to April 12, 1945, 12 years, one month, eight days. Half that time would be six years, 19.5 days. But both of the two subsequent Presedents, Truman and Eisenhower, served two terms as did Reagan, Clinton, Bush, and Obama.
Perhaps you will claim that no President would exceed half of Roosevelt's elected term of 16 years, but I would dispute this as well. From 1793 to 1933 inauguration day was March 4, or March 5 when the 4th fell on a Sunday. So Roosevelt's elected terms would have been 15 years, 10.5 months and any President to serve a full eight years exceeds half Roosevelt's elected terms.
Yeah. I was thinking the same thing Brian. I guess the author is hanging his hat on the elected terms vs number of years. FDR was elected to 4 terms, so everyone else would be half of that. I think that was his logic.

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Todd wrote:Could someone help me out with the author's "Timer". If I read it correctly, the author claims we will go through 6 more presidents in less than 2 years. Is that right?
Yes, the timing seems a bit off to say the least.
And how can 4 presidents be taken out in one event? They're not all president at the same time.

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Oooooooo! A chance for me to prophesy! :D
Here it is: Nothing end-of-world'ish, nothing second coming'ish, no events ushering in this Telestial world begining its transition to its glorified Celestial state - and any variations like unto it - nothing will happen prior to 12/22/2020. That's when my concealed firearm permit expires.
Worlds without end.

I should make a post just for this so that everyone can reference back to it in 3 1/2 years. :-BD

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FTC...you crack me up every time you make a prophecy...and when you end it with "Worlds without end" I laugh even harder. Love it!

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Todd wrote:
markharr wrote:Image

Ah yes. Harold Camping.

Here's a nice article that talks about the aftermath of his rapture predictions. It should be a must-read for all who follow spurious sources. http://religiondispatches.org/a-year-af ... -they-now/
Interesting article. Thanks!

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Great article. A good lesson for all of us.

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To me the mention of this Lion servant at the end times parallels nicely with Isaiah's davidic servant and D&C's one like unto Moses, etc. I like the expression of the Lion being chased/rising from the wood. The Davidic servant to come is a type of Christ that rises from a hell of sorts and is a loner (cast out) living in the wilderness (maybe literal woods) and then he shows up at the critical junction to face off with anti-Christ and his beast type scenario.

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Todd wrote:Ah yes. Harold Camping.

Here's a nice article that talks about the aftermath of his rapture predictions. It should be a must-read for all who follow spurious sources. http://religiondispatches.org/a-year-af ... -they-now/
Interesting article. It provided affirmation for some things I already believe: that the rapture is false doctrine that will serve to turn the hearts and minds of many faithful Christians away from the Lord. They are like the extremists of the tent city believers, those who believe that terrible things are coming for everybody else but the special people will live in comfort and happiness while the nonbelievers are punished. When the great judgements are poured out on civilization, many of those who are expecting a rapture will allow the fact that it didn't happen to lead them completely astray.

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