Nations are turning against Israel

[Sunain]

Palestinians to Trump: moving embassy to Jerusalem equals declaration of war
A close aide to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas calls Trump's stated intention to move the US Embassy to the Israeli capital 'a declaration of war on Muslims', as another official threatens to call on Arab, Muslim countries to remove embassies from Washington.
Elior Levy|Published: 07.01.17 , 12:07
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The Palestinian Authority has stepped up its combative rhetoric against US President-elect Donald Trump's stated mission to transfer the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, which was repeated by one of his top aides.

The sentiment was expressed by Palestinian Authority Mahmoud Abbas's close advisor Mahmoud al-Habash, who on Friday called it "a declaration of war on Muslims." The description was significant not only for its content, but also for the fact that it echoed a similar sentiment voiced by former Jerusalem Mufi Achrama Sabri, whose extreme views are normally not shared by the PA.

"Everything can collapse if the embassy will be moved to Jerusalem," said al-Habash. "It can open a wide door to possibilities that no one wants." He added that they will not be able to sit idly by if such a move occurs.

Another official in the Palestinian Fatah party stated that if the embassy will be moved to Jerusalem, the PA will demand that that Arab and Muslim countries remove their embassies from Washington. The officials stressed that is not merely a Palestinian issue, but an Arab and Muslim one as well.

Abbas himself also commented on the possible scenario of the US Embassy moving to the Israeli capital. Abbas took a less militant tone, voicing his hope that Trump will not seek to implement his past statements, as it would cause irrevocable damage to the peace process.

"We heard a lot of statements relating to moving the US embassy, which we hope are not correct and will not be implemented, but if implemented then the peace process in the Middle East, and even peace in the world, will be in a crisis we will not be able to come out from," stated Abbas.

The Palestinian campaign against transferring the US embassy to Jerusalem comes less than two weeks before Trump's inauguration and days before the international peace conference that is set to be held next week in Paris. The conference will focus on trying to find a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Moving US Embassy to Jerusalem is 'red line,' Jordan warns
Published January 07, 2017 Associated Press

Jordan's government spokesman warned on Thursday of "catastrophic" repercussions if President-elect Donald Trump makes good on a campaign promise to move the U.S. Embassy in Israel to contested Jerusalem.

Such a move could affect relations between the U.S. and regional allies, including Jordan, Information Minister Mohammed Momani told The Associated Press, addressing the issue publicly for the first time.

An embassy move would be a "red line" for Jordan, would "inflame the Islamic and Arab streets" and serve as a "gift to extremists," he said, adding that Jordan would use all possible political and diplomatic means to try and prevent such a decision.

The U.S. considers pro-Western Jordan as an important ally in a turbulent Mideast. The Hashemite kingdom is a key member of a U.S.-led military coalition against Islamic State extremists in neighboring Syria and Iraq, and maintains discreet security ties with Israel.

Jordan also has a stake in Jerusalem, serving as custodian of Islam's third holiest shrine in the city's eastern sector.

Israel captured east Jerusalem from Jordan in 1967 and annexed it to its capital. The Palestinians want to establish the capital of a future state in the city's eastern sector. Addressing the conflicting claims in the city would be central to any renewed Israeli-Palestinian negotiations on the terms of Palestinian statehood.

Jerusalem looms large in rival Israeli and Palestinian national narratives, and disputes over holy sites there have sparked several rounds of deadly violence over the years.

Much of the world has not recognized Israel's annexation of east Jerusalem and most countries, including the United States, maintain their embassies in Tel Aviv, Israel's vibrant commercial center and seaside metropolis.

Momani, the Jordanian minister, said that moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem "will have catastrophic implications on several levels, including the regional situation." He said countries in the region would likely "think about different things and steps they should take in order to stop this from happening."

"It will definitely affect the bilateral relationship between countries in the region, including Jordan, and the parties that will be related to such a decision," he said.

Trump said during the presidential campaign that he intended to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.

Last month, Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway was quoted as saying that moving the embassy to Jerusalem is a "very big priority" for the president-elect.

Trump's choice for U.S. ambassador in Israel, David Friedman, has said he looks forward to working from Jerusalem.

This very well could be the defining point of Trump's administration.

[Mark]

There is abundant evidence that the Israeli military attempted to sink the Liberty and kill all aboard. We don't know why, and their mistaken identity excuse is obviously not true. BUT that was nearly 50 years ago, everybody involved is either retired or dead, and we have developed a very strong relationship with Israel since then.

By the "hold it against them" argument, we should not have relations with Germany, Italy, or Japan. Yet we have very strong relationships with all four of those countries.

My argument is that thinking Israel is our best ally is off the mark. That doesn't mean we don't establish good relations with them. Their highly probable involvement (speaking of elements of the Mossad, etc., and Zionist-connected neocons) in the perpetration of 9/11 still hangs over any relationship we have with Israel. This needs serious resolution. And there are other reasons, as well.

If this assertion of Israeli involvement with 9/11 bothers anyone, they need to read the evidence Christopher Bollyn has discovered and assembled in his book: Solving 9-11, the Deception That Changed the World. Give that a thorough read and study, then get back to me.

This does not mean they acted alone. Kevin Ryan documents the non-Israeli faction that were deeply involved, as well , in his book: Another Nineteen: Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects. And the orders for the perpetration of 9/11 undoubtedly came from the highest levels of the cabal that Pres. Benson warned us about.

If you're still bothered by this assertion, just give a bit of thought about who has greatly benefited by our involvement in the Near and Middle East, by our plan to overthrow 7 Muslim countries in five years that was on the table within weeks of 9/11, according to General Wesley Clark. What country would benefit by having the Muslims fighting amongst themselves? The premier of what country even stated that 9/11 was very good for them, said just after the 9/11 events? The answer is: Israel. And we've all heard about the dancing, gleeful Israelis seen celebrating and high-fiving in New Jersey as they happily videoed the attacks on the WTC. They later said they were under orders to document it. They were Mossad agents, as it came out.

And does anyone remember the Israeli Mossad agents that were caught shortly after 9/11 in a plot to bomb the Mexican Parliament?

Do not let your 9-11 involvement theories that are full of unproven and unsubstantiated allegations distract you from seeing the big picture regarding the destiny of Judah and the state of Israel. Pres Bensons speech outlines our relationship and kinship with the Jews and Israel. Are you as an American responsible and accountable for the actions and decisions of latter day gadiantons like Obama in our govt?

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1976/12/a-me ... h?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[brianj]

Palestinians to Trump: moving embassy to Jerusalem equals declaration of war
A close aide to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas calls Trump's stated intention to move the US Embassy to the Israeli capital 'a declaration of war on Muslims', as another official threatens to call on Arab, Muslim countries to remove embassies from Washington.
Elior Levy|Published: 07.01.17 , 12:07
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This very well could be the defining point of Trump's administration.

Muslims have already declared war on the United States, so why not?

[cab]

There is abundant evidence that the Israeli military attempted to sink the Liberty and kill all aboard. We don't know why, and their mistaken identity excuse is obviously not true. BUT that was nearly 50 years ago, everybody involved is either retired or dead, and we have developed a very strong relationship with Israel since then.

By the "hold it against them" argument, we should not have relations with Germany, Italy, or Japan. Yet we have very strong relationships with all four of those countries.

My argument is that thinking Israel is our best ally is off the mark. That doesn't mean we don't establish good relations with them. Their highly probable involvement (speaking of elements of the Mossad, etc., and Zionist-connected neocons) in the perpetration of 9/11 still hangs over any relationship we have with Israel. This needs serious resolution. And there are other reasons, as well.

If this assertion of Israeli involvement with 9/11 bothers anyone, they need to read the evidence Christopher Bollyn has discovered and assembled in his book: Solving 9-11, the Deception That Changed the World. Give that a thorough read and study, then get back to me.

This does not mean they acted alone. Kevin Ryan documents the non-Israeli faction that were deeply involved, as well , in his book: Another Nineteen: Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects. And the orders for the perpetration of 9/11 undoubtedly came from the highest levels of the cabal that Pres. Benson warned us about.

If you're still bothered by this assertion, just give a bit of thought about who has greatly benefited by our involvement in the Near and Middle East, by our plan to overthrow 7 Muslim countries in five years that was on the table within weeks of 9/11, according to General Wesley Clark. What country would benefit by having the Muslims fighting amongst themselves? The premier of what country even stated that 9/11 was very good for them, said just after the 9/11 events? The answer is: Israel. And we've all heard about the dancing, gleeful Israelis seen celebrating and high-fiving in New Jersey as they happily videoed the attacks on the WTC. They later said they were under orders to document it. They were Mossad agents, as it came out.

And does anyone remember the Israeli Mossad agents that were caught shortly after 9/11 in a plot to bomb the Mexican Parliament?

Do not let your 9-11 involvement theories that are full of unproven and unsubstantiated allegations distract you from seeing the big picture regarding the destiny of Judah and the state of Israel. Pres Bensons speech outlines our relationship and kinship with the Jews and Israel. Are you as an American responsible and accountable for the actions and decisions of latter day gadiantons like Obama in our govt?

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1976/12/a-me ... h?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It is amazing how people limit their view of modern day Gadianton to just the Democratic party. Before ever saying something like that again, PLEASE go read the book President Benson recommended over the pulpit called "None Dare Call it Conspiracy" by Gary Allen.

Modern Day Gadianton has most of the LDS community blindly supporting the State of Israel. I wish I could scream this from the rooftops - "ISRAEL is not the State of Israel!!! Orthodox Jews are NOT Jews!!!"

Before you fight me on this point, please go look at the Talmud. This is what the Orthodox/Pharasiacal Jews follow. This book completely confirms that their church is the synagogue of Satan. Please ask yourselves what IS Israel, what makes one a Jew?

[Sunain]

Israelis outraged by UNESCO naming town a Palestinian heritage site

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Updated: Friday, July 7, 2017, 8:07 PM

JERUSALEM — The U.N. cultural agency on Friday declared the old city in the West Bank town of Hebron as a Palestinian world heritage site, a decision that outraged Israeli officials who say the move negated the deep Jewish ties to the biblical town and its ancient shrine.

The move was the latest chapter in Israel's contentious relationship with UNESCO, an agency it accuses of being an anti-Israeli tool that makes decisions out of political considerations.

While the Palestinians welcomed the action, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called it "another delusional decision by UNESCO."

Both Jews and Muslims revere the same site in Hebron as the traditional burial place of the biblical patriarchs and matriarchs — Jews call it the Tomb of the Patriarchs, while for Muslims it is the Ibrahimi Mosque.

The 12-3 vote, with six abstentions, came on a secret ballot at an annual UNESCO World Heritage Committee meeting in Krakow, Poland. The proposal came from the Palestinian side. Israel contended that its historic links to Hebron were ignored and its ambassador to UNESCO left the session.

UNESCO spokeswoman Lucia Iglesias confirmed that Hebron's old city was put on the agency's World Heritage list and on the list of sites in danger. She would not elaborate, saying the exact wording would be decided later.

The decision obliges the World Heritage committee to review its status annually.

"This is a historical development because it stressed that Hebron and the Ibrahimi Mosque historically belong to the Palestinian people," said Palestinian Minister of Tourism Rula Maayah.

But Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely said UNESCO's "automatic Arab majority succeeded in passing the proposed resolution that attempts to appropriate the national symbols of the Jewish people."

She added: "This is a badge of shame for UNESCO, who time after time chooses to stand on the side of lies."

Netanyahu expressed outrage that UNESCO determined the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron "is a Palestinian site, meaning not Jewish, and that the site is in danger."

"Not a Jewish site?!" he asked sarcastically. "Who is buried there? Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Sarah, Rebecca and Leah — our patriarchs and matriarchs!"

Netanyahu pointed to extremists blowing up religious sites in the Middle East and said, "It is only in those places where Israel is, such as Hebron, that freedom of religion for all is ensured."

This is the second time in as many months (links to earlier post in this thread) that I can recall that the UN/UNESCO has voted to disavow any historical relevance for Jewish sites. The UN is trying to whitewash Israel.

[Matchmaker]

There is abundant evidence that the Israeli military attempted to sink the Liberty and kill all aboard. We don't know why, and their mistaken identity excuse is obviously not true. BUT that was nearly 50 years ago, everybody involved is either retired or dead, and we have developed a very strong relationship with Israel since then.

By the "hold it against them" argument, we should not have relations with Germany, Italy, or Japan. Yet we have very strong relationships with all four of those countries.

My argument is that thinking Israel is our best ally is off the mark. That doesn't mean we don't establish good relations with them. Their highly probable involvement (speaking of elements of the Mossad, etc., and Zionist-connected neocons) in the perpetration of 9/11 still hangs over any relationship we have with Israel. This needs serious resolution. And there are other reasons, as well.

If this assertion of Israeli involvement with 9/11 bothers anyone, they need to read the evidence Christopher Bollyn has discovered and assembled in his book: Solving 9-11, the Deception That Changed the World. Give that a thorough read and study, then get back to me.

This does not mean they acted alone. Kevin Ryan documents the non-Israeli faction that were deeply involved, as well , in his book: Another Nineteen: Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects. And the orders for the perpetration of 9/11 undoubtedly came from the highest levels of the cabal that Pres. Benson warned us about.

If you're still bothered by this assertion, just give a bit of thought about who has greatly benefited by our involvement in the Near and Middle East, by our plan to overthrow 7 Muslim countries in five years that was on the table within weeks of 9/11, according to General Wesley Clark. What country would benefit by having the Muslims fighting amongst themselves? The premier of what country even stated that 9/11 was very good for them, said just after the 9/11 events? The answer is: Israel. And we've all heard about the dancing, gleeful Israelis seen celebrating and high-fiving in New Jersey as they happily videoed the attacks on the WTC. They later said they were under orders to document it. They were Mossad agents, as it came out.

And does anyone remember the Israeli Mossad agents that were caught shortly after 9/11 in a plot to bomb the Mexican Parliament?

Do not let your 9-11 involvement theories that are full of unproven and unsubstantiated allegations distract you from seeing the big picture regarding the destiny of Judah and the state of Israel. Pres Bensons speech outlines our relationship and kinship with the Jews and Israel. Are you as an American responsible and accountable for the actions and decisions of latter day gadiantons like Obama in our govt?

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1976/12/a-me ... h?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It is amazing how people limit their view of modern day Gadianton to just the Democratic party. Before ever saying something like that again, PLEASE go read the book President Benson recommended over the pulpit called "None Dare Call it Conspiracy" by Gary Allen.

Modern Day Gadianton has most of the LDS community blindly supporting the State of Israel. I wish I could scream this from the rooftops - "ISRAEL is not the State of Israel!!! Orthodox Jews are NOT Jews!!!"

Before you fight me on this point, please go look at the Talmud. This is what the Orthodox/Pharasiacal Jews follow. This book completely confirms that their church is the synagogue of Satan. Please ask yourselves what IS Israel, what makes one a Jew?

Some Orthodox Jews may not be direct descendants of the son, Judah, but probably a share of them are, if you go back far enough. At least they are probably descended from 1 or more of Israel's sons who are part of the 12 tribes and therefore Israelites, as are we.

[AI2.0]

If the nations (united or otherwise) believe that the people that currently occupy the state of Israel are not genetically connected to the Jews who built the temple, then their attitude towards Israel makes more sense.
There is a growing body of opinion, shared by a number of Jewish authors, that the vast majority of Jews who migrated to Palestine are Ashkanazi Jews descended from Gentile proselytes. As such they have no genetic descent from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and therefore no historical connection with the land or the temple.
I would be very interested in the views of forum members on this issue.

So what? The Lord has always allowed for adoption to become a part of the Covenant people and enjoy the same blessings. I would not think this would be hard for LDS to understand since it's such a big part of our church today. LDS understand that the Lord sees no distinction between those who are of the blood lineage of the house of Israel and those who are adopted in by conversion.

[AI2.0]

Palestinians to Trump: moving embassy to Jerusalem equals declaration of war
A close aide to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas calls Trump's stated intention to move the US Embassy to the Israeli capital 'a declaration of war on Muslims', as another official threatens to call on Arab, Muslim countries to remove embassies from Washington.
Elior Levy|Published: 07.01.17 , 12:07
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The Palestinian Authority has stepped up its combative rhetoric against US President-elect Donald Trump's stated mission to transfer the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, which was repeated by one of his top aides.

The sentiment was expressed by Palestinian Authority Mahmoud Abbas's close advisor Mahmoud al-Habash, who on Friday called it "a declaration of war on Muslims." The description was significant not only for its content, but also for the fact that it echoed a similar sentiment voiced by former Jerusalem Mufi Achrama Sabri, whose extreme views are normally not shared by the PA.

"Everything can collapse if the embassy will be moved to Jerusalem," said al-Habash. "It can open a wide door to possibilities that no one wants." He added that they will not be able to sit idly by if such a move occurs.

Another official in the Palestinian Fatah party stated that if the embassy will be moved to Jerusalem, the PA will demand that that Arab and Muslim countries remove their embassies from Washington. The officials stressed that is not merely a Palestinian issue, but an Arab and Muslim one as well.

Abbas himself also commented on the possible scenario of the US Embassy moving to the Israeli capital. Abbas took a less militant tone, voicing his hope that Trump will not seek to implement his past statements, as it would cause irrevocable damage to the peace process.

"We heard a lot of statements relating to moving the US embassy, which we hope are not correct and will not be implemented, but if implemented then the peace process in the Middle East, and even peace in the world, will be in a crisis we will not be able to come out from," stated Abbas.

The Palestinian campaign against transferring the US embassy to Jerusalem comes less than two weeks before Trump's inauguration and days before the international peace conference that is set to be held next week in Paris. The conference will focus on trying to find a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Moving US Embassy to Jerusalem is 'red line,' Jordan warns
Published January 07, 2017 Associated Press

Jordan's government spokesman warned on Thursday of "catastrophic" repercussions if President-elect Donald Trump makes good on a campaign promise to move the U.S. Embassy in Israel to contested Jerusalem.

Such a move could affect relations between the U.S. and regional allies, including Jordan, Information Minister Mohammed Momani told The Associated Press, addressing the issue publicly for the first time.

An embassy move would be a "red line" for Jordan, would "inflame the Islamic and Arab streets" and serve as a "gift to extremists," he said, adding that Jordan would use all possible political and diplomatic means to try and prevent such a decision.

The U.S. considers pro-Western Jordan as an important ally in a turbulent Mideast. The Hashemite kingdom is a key member of a U.S.-led military coalition against Islamic State extremists in neighboring Syria and Iraq, and maintains discreet security ties with Israel.

Jordan also has a stake in Jerusalem, serving as custodian of Islam's third holiest shrine in the city's eastern sector.

Israel captured east Jerusalem from Jordan in 1967 and annexed it to its capital. The Palestinians want to establish the capital of a future state in the city's eastern sector. Addressing the conflicting claims in the city would be central to any renewed Israeli-Palestinian negotiations on the terms of Palestinian statehood.

Jerusalem looms large in rival Israeli and Palestinian national narratives, and disputes over holy sites there have sparked several rounds of deadly violence over the years.

Much of the world has not recognized Israel's annexation of east Jerusalem and most countries, including the United States, maintain their embassies in Tel Aviv, Israel's vibrant commercial center and seaside metropolis.

Momani, the Jordanian minister, said that moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem "will have catastrophic implications on several levels, including the regional situation." He said countries in the region would likely "think about different things and steps they should take in order to stop this from happening."

"It will definitely affect the bilateral relationship between countries in the region, including Jordan, and the parties that will be related to such a decision," he said.

Trump said during the presidential campaign that he intended to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.

Last month, Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway was quoted as saying that moving the embassy to Jerusalem is a "very big priority" for the president-elect.

Trump's choice for U.S. ambassador in Israel, David Friedman, has said he looks forward to working from Jerusalem.

This very well could be the defining point of Trump's administration.

He's been in over a 1/2 a year and it still remains to be seen if Pres. Trump will keep this promise.

[Sunain]

Palestinians to Trump: moving embassy to Jerusalem equals declaration of war
A close aide to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas calls Trump's stated intention to move the US Embassy to the Israeli capital 'a declaration of war on Muslims', as another official threatens to call on Arab, Muslim countries to remove embassies from Washington.

He's been in over a 1/2 a year and it still remains to be seen if Pres. Trump will keep this promise.

I hope that he does move the embassy to Jerusalam during his presidency. I think its just about the timing now.

S.Res.176 - A resolution commemorating the 50th anniversary of the reunification of Jerusalem.115th Congress (2017-2018)
Recognizes the 50th anniversary of Jerusalem's reunification and extends the Senate's friendship and hopes for peace to Jerusalem's residents and Israel's people.

Reaffirms support for Israel's commitment to religious freedom and administration of holy sites in Jerusalem.

Supports strengthening the mutually beneficial American-Israeli relationship.

Commends Egypt and Jordan, former combatant states of the Six Day War, for embracing a vision of peace and coexistence with Israel and continuing to uphold their respective peace agreements.

Reaffirms: (1) that it is long-standing U.S. bipartisan policy that the permanent status of Jerusalem remains a matter to be decided between the parties through final status negotiations towards a two-state solution; and (2) the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 as U.S. law, and calls upon the President and all U.S. officials to abide by its provisions.

Enough already: Move the embassy to Jerusalem
On June 5, 2017, the United States Senate approved Resolution 176, commemorating the 50th anniversary of the reunification of Jerusalem, and reminded us that "there has been a continuous Jewish presence in Jerusalem for 3 millennia." This legislative initiative was preceded by the Jerusalem Embassy Act (Public Law 104-45), on November 8, 1995, which indicated that "Jerusalem should remain the undivided capital of Israel" and that the American Embassy, currently in Tel Aviv, at the will of the president of the United States, may be relocated to Jerusalem.

President Trump has followed the path of his predecessor presidents: he has chosen not to honor the intent of the Jerusalem Embassy Act, nor his campaign promise to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, for fear of alienating already hostile Middle Eastern nations and populations, so as to float his personal peace plan.

[Sunain]

‘Europe is lost’: Barcelona’s chief rabbi urges Jews to move to Israel

In the aftermath of this week’s terrorist attacks in Barcelona, the city’s chief rabbi has warned his community that Jews in the region are doomed because of the threat of radical Islam.

At least 14 people were killed and over 100 injured in two separate terrorist attacks in Barcelona and the nearby coastal town of Cambrils. Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) claimed responsibility for the attack on Las Ramblas in Barcelona.

“I tell my congregants: Don’t think we’re here for good, and I encourage them to buy property in Israel,” Rabbi Meir Bar-Hen said in an interview with Jewish news agency JTA.

“This place is lost. Don’t repeat the mistake of Algerian Jews, of Venezuelan Jews. Better [get out] early than late.”

Europe is not just turning against Jews but all the citizens of all the countries there.

And the literal Gathering of Israel continues...