Stock Markets are heading for that crash we are watching for, watch for the real crash within six months!!!

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Re: Stock Markets are heading for that crash we are watching for, watch for the real crash within six months!!!

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kirtland r.m. wrote: May 22nd, 2016, 3:11 pm
Thomas wrote:I think we should understand that there is a huge pool of money that floats around the world. It is traded or invested. Money flows from one asset or commodity to another based on the perceived chance of reward and risk.

For those who are screaming about a stock market crash, please tell me where that pool of money will go? What will be the safer investment? Will it be US treasuries, with the unpayable debt it has in addition to yours? Will it be European govt. debt, with them in even worse shape? Where will the smart person put there money, when they sell their stocks?

Will they stuff it under their mattress? Remember a lot of this is institutional money.

My opinion is that the market may take a hit but within a year or two will sky rocket. As American business is seen as the safest place in the world to invest your money. If not, then where? Please give me the rest of the story. Tell me where the money will go.
I made a 27% increase in my invested accounts last year, when the market was about flat. A little better than the resource you quote silver(by far).You might want to hear what I have to say. I trade large blocks of contracts, I can trade $100,000 block for about eight dollars, since you asked. You would have some pretty good advice there if this was 1950, or 1960. It is not though. Private investors are pouring money out of the stock markets and into gold and silver. So are international banks. Many Americans are taking out money from I.R.A.'s and paying down debt, or stocking up on food, ect.. You also made this comment,"Will they stuff it under their mattress? Remember a lot of this is institutional money." Those who do not need to be 100% invested in market averages at all times will liquidate more and more holdings into cash and set on the sidelines. I could make this post several more pages long, but let's cut to the chase.
There are some problems with the dollar. The bric nations don't like using U.S. Dollar to trade oil. China seems to be preparing to push a gold backed currency to trade with other countries. Seems the U.S. Fed. and B.H.O. are trying to quietly work on the problem. U.S. stock market is now grossly over valued, as it has been at the end of six or seven year bull markets, even though we haven't really recovered like normal recoveries, look at stagnant wages in U.S., we are primed for a crash, as market always does, when we then enter into a recession, could get ugly. Russian Rubble value has been cut in half in the last eighteen months. They have that problem, plus much of their economy is based on selling oil outside of Russia, and world oil prices are very low. They have very high anti-American feelings right now. B.H.O. has helped levy sanctions on Russia because of the Ukraine. Many starting to buy gold and silver. Banks have been doing this for a while now. National Debt, combined with amount we pay in interest on that debt is strangling us.
We haven't recovered from recession of eight years ago, and we are about to go into another one. Stocks are starting to drop as earnings are slowing. When this finally is fully understood by most investors, sell off will accelerate. We will see that crash, and this time it will be much worse than 2007,2008. Money will soon after become worthless, then when people realize that you can't eat gold and silver, metals will become worthless, then you will see this prophesy fulfilled.
Charles D Evans, Patriarch, Dream of Last Days
A recent addition to the site is a dream from a volume at BYU Special Collections. This dream was included in The Contributor, Young Men's Mutual Improvement Association of the Latter-day Saints published in 1894 by The Deseret News Publishing Company...Factions now sprang up as if by magic; capital had entrenched itself against labor throughout the land; labor was organized against capital. The voice of the wise sought to tranquilize these two powerful factors in vain. Excited multitudes ran wildly about; strikes increased; lawlessness sought the place of regular government. At this juncture I saw a banner floating in air whereon was written the words Bankruptcy, Famine, Floods, Fire, Cyclones, Blood, Plague. Mad with rage men and women rushed upon each other. Blood flowed down the streets of cities like water. The demon of bloody hate had enthroned itself on the citadel of reason; the thirst for blood was intenser than that of the parched tongue for water. Thousands of bodies lay untombed in the streets. Men and women fell dead from the terror inspired from fear. Rest was but the precursor of the bloody work of the morrow. All around lay the mournfulness of a past in ruins. Monuments erected to perpetuate the names of the noble and brave were ruthlessly destroyed by combustibles. A voice now sounded aloud these words, �Yet once again I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this word yet once again signifies the removing of things that are shaken, as of things that are made; that those things that cannot be shaken may remain." Strong words that are about to be fulfilled.
I have to be honest ... this quote doesn't hold much validatity just the GAS quote it isn't supported by the first presidency and therefore I will not be fooled again.

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shadow wrote: April 18th, 2017, 8:51 pm
kirtland r.m. wrote: May 20th, 2016, 5:57 pm
littlemikey wrote:Oh, gosh! For a second there I thought it was 2015....hahaha!
Hi littlemikey, check back in six months. You will be surprised how accurate this post will be. Here is twenty years of investing I have done condensed into one paragraph.Take out all of the prophesy, and you still get a market that is the second longest market without a recession in U.S. history. A market with declining earnings, with way overpriced stocks(that always happens at the end of a bull market) Yea, a fake one as well, as our economy has not recovered as in bull markets in the past! Stock index charts are flattening out like a roller coaster at the top of a big incline. All of these things and more are a recipe for disaster. Six months or less from now. Mark my words. :|
Just checking back. Anything new for us, kirtland?
Lol! I hope those 20 years experience that pretty much guaranteed the crash to happen 6 months ago have had better luck than this. Anyone can read all sorts of crap online and regurgitate it. Mark my words.

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shadow wrote: April 18th, 2017, 8:51 pm
kirtland r.m. wrote: May 20th, 2016, 5:57 pm
littlemikey wrote:Oh, gosh! For a second there I thought it was 2015....hahaha!
Hi littlemikey, check back in six months. You will be surprised how accurate this post will be. Here is twenty years of investing I have done condensed into one paragraph.Take out all of the prophesy, and you still get a market that is the second longest market without a recession in U.S. history. A market with declining earnings, with way overpriced stocks(that always happens at the end of a bull market) Yea, a fake one as well, as our economy has not recovered as in bull markets in the past! Stock index charts are flattening out like a roller coaster at the top of a big incline. All of these things and more are a recipe for disaster. Six months or less from now. Mark my words. :|
Just checking back. Anything new for us, kirtland?
Thank you for bumping this thread and holding us accountable for our words and actions. For my part in this conversation I will take this moment now to return and report.
Onsdag wrote: May 21st, 2016, 3:27 am Ah, more fear porn for the gullible and weak to consume. It seems kirtland. rm has become the resident purveyor and peddler of this filth of late.
Hmm... I may have been a bit harsh towards KRM for calling him out the way I did. On the other hand though, he has shown a history of predicting (and/or sharing other people's predictions about) great and cataclysmic events in our near future - all of which have thus far proven unfounded (as is the case here in this thread) - and, I believe, he needed to be called out on it.
kirtland r.m. wrote: May 20th, 2016, 8:32 pm
gkearney wrote:Perhaps he's trying to short sell the market.
You are very perceptive, but unlike trying to take a position and then trying to influence others, so I can make more money, I am putting my money where my mouth is, and sharing what knowledge I have to help others. I am shorting the S&p 500.That crash is coming. I really don't think that we will recover this time, and for a variety of reasons.
I'd be really interested to hear from KRM about how his financial investments did over the last year - and particularly the 6 month period he predicted a crash happening. Did you really put your money where your mouth was and make speculative investments in the crash of the economy? How did that pan out for you? I suspect, if you really did do that, then it probably ended up in financial loss for you. I just hope it wasn't too much. Also, since you were "sharing what knowledge I have to help others" and essentially encouraging others to follow your lead in these risky investments, I'm curious if anyone did follow your lead and, if so, if they suffered financial loss and what their feelings towards you are as a result? Was there any anger or resentment from others towards you? Did you have to make any apologies and/or restitution to others for your part in all of this?
brianj wrote: May 21st, 2016, 10:53 am
Onsdag wrote:I am rather uneducated in worldly economics and such, and I hope you'll forgive and correct a poor ignoramus on the subject, but isn't shorting the market banking on a failure? And if you're right, and there is a failure of the extent you seem to be predicting, then what makes you think you'll make bank and actually be able to collect? And if you are able to collect, making a handsome profit over other people's misery, failures, and losses, then where does that put you?
Correction: Shorting an investment is essentially betting the price of that investment will decline, not "banking on a failure." Shorting a stock is, to oversimplify, selling the stock today and delivering it tomorrow. If you sell today and the price goes up, you will lose when you buy shares to deliver to the buyer. However, if the price declines significantly, you make a profit off the difference between the purchase and sale price. And, since the stocks are sold at the beginning of the transaction, the money will have already been collected at that time.
Thank you for trying to educate me. I fear, however, that I am still an ignoramus when it comes to world financial things such as stocks, bonds, bull and bear markets, shorting investments, and all that other jazz (which is a rather interesting and appropriate phrase since there are people who can love and appreciate jazz music, whereas, for the most part, I just hear a cacophony of noise that gives me a headache the more I listen to it - but I digress).
brianj wrote: May 21st, 2016, 10:53 am
Onsdag wrote:No thanks. I'll stick with what a Prophet of God has taught as the key to real success and wealth in the last days. A key which uplifts, creates, builds, ennobles, nourishes, and has the potential to bring forth an hundred fold, a thousand fold, and even more! The power and potential to even save and enrich human souls! What is this grand secret to true wealth in the latter days? Why it's none other than the same key to wealth found in the beginning (see Moses 2:11-12). Learning how to follow and apply this same pattern, shown to us by God Himself, will make us truly wealthy indeed - even, and especially, in spite of how the economies of the world do or don't do.
Did you cite a different scripture than you intended to? I don't see what the third day of creation has to do with building wealth. I would have cited Matthew 6:33 or 3 Nephi 13:33.
Nope. And thank you for asking. I cited that scripture for a very specific reason. You see, the first and great commandment which God gave to man on earth (which commandment, by the way, is still in force today) was to "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it, and have dominion over... every living thing that moveth upon the earth. And I, God, said unto man: Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree in the which shall be the fruit of a tree yielding seed." (Moses 2:28-30; Genesis 1:28-30). This commandment wasn't, I believe, just for Adam and Eve to procreate and have children themselves, but also a command to help all life to multiply and replenish the earth - plants and animals - so that the earth and all life thereon can fulfill the measure of their creation which God had ordained. I think the parable of the talents found in Matthew 25 is especially instructive in this regard (though obviously it has other meanings as well). The key to true wealth and success is in applying ourselves to the task God has given us and increasing and multiplying the stewardship that He has given into our hands. And, to take it a step further, one of the grand secrets of wealth is in the seed itself. That scripture I shared about the creation hints at this - all living things upon the earth are to bring forth after their kind, "whose seed should be in itself, after his kind; and I, God, saw that all things which I had made were good." I heard a quote once that goes something like this: "You can count the number of seeds in an apple, but you can never count the number of apples in a seed." Now that speaks about the potential of true wealth!

Note also that as God's plan is to increase and multiply His creations, so too is Satan's goal to thwart God's plan. You see this in the destruction of marriage and family, and of the great and desolating abomination known as homosexuality. You see this, I believe, in the 'science' of genetic modifications which corrupt, undermine, and ultimately destroy a living organisms ability to reproduce after it's kind as God had originally ordained. You see this in many other policies and practices enacted throughout the world - some by people who just don't know any better, others by people who have ill intent and are actively pursuing an agenda.

I mentioned a prophet of God teaching about the key to real success and wealth in the last days - well this is what I was making reference to (red highlights by me):

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... e?lang=eng
Ezra Taft Benson wrote:
My brethren and sisters, seen and unseen; we are all brothers and sisters, children of the same Father in the spirit. Humbly and gratefully I stand before you this afternoon. I have been on my knees, in fasting and prayer, as have members of my family, that I may have the blessing of the Spirit.

My text today is from a revelation of the Lord to Joseph Smith, the Prophet, at a conference of the Church January 2, 1831, as follows: “… if ye are prepared ye shall not fear.” (D&C 38:30.)

In section 1 of the great Doctrine and Covenants, a volume of modern scripture, we read these words: “Prepare ye, prepare ye for that which is to come. …” (D&C 1:12.) Further in this same revelation are these warning words: “… I the Lord, knowing the calamity which should come upon the inhabitants of the earth . …” (D&C 1:17.)

What are some of the calamities for which we are to prepare? In section 29 the Lord warns us of “a great hailstorm sent forth to destroy the crops of the earth.” (D&C 29:16.) In section 45 we read of “an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land.” (D&C 45:31.) In section 63 the Lord declares he has “decreed wars upon the face of the earth. …” (D&C 63:33.)

In Matthew, chapter 24, we learn of “famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes. …” (Matt. 24:7.) The Lord declared that these and other calamities shall occur. These particular prophecies seem not to be conditional. The Lord, with his foreknowledge, knows that they will happen. Some will come about through man’s manipulations; others through the forces of nature and nature’s God, but that they will come seems certain. Prophecy is but history in reverse—a divine disclosure of future events.

Yet, through all of this, the Lord Jesus Christ has said: “… if ye are prepared ye shall not fear.” (D&C 38:30.)

What, then, is the Lord’s way to help us prepare for these calamities? The answer is also found in section 1 of the Doctrine and Covenants, wherein he says:

“Wherefore, I the Lord, knowing the calamity which should come upon the inhabitants of the earth, called upon my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., and spake unto him from heaven, and gave him commandments;

“And also gave commandments to others. …” (D&C 1:17–18.) He has also said: “Search these commandments, for they are true and faithful, and the prophecies and promises which are in them shall all be fulfilled.” (D&C 1:37.)

Here then is the key—look to the prophets for the words of God, that will show us how to prepare for the calamities which are to come. For the Lord, in that same section, states: “What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same.” (D&C 1:38.)

Again, the Lord warned those who will reject the inspired words of his representatives, in these words: “… and the day cometh that they who will not hear the voice of the Lord, neither the voice of his servants, neither give heed to the words of the prophets and apostles, shall be cut off from among the people.” (D&C 1:14.)

The present-day Church welfare program was instituted by revelation from God to his mouthpiece, the prophet and earthly president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It was inaugurated by the First Presidency at a general conference of the Church held in October, 1936, thirty-seven years ago. It is significant that the man who served for a quarter century as the first managing director of the General Church Welfare Committee is today the Lord’s mouthpiece on earth, President Harold B. Lee, and that President Marion G. Romney, who was so closely associated with him in that endeavor, now stands as a counselor at his side.

At the April 1937 general conference of the Church, President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., of the First Presidency, asked: “What may we as a people and as individuals do for ourselves to prepare to meet this oncoming disaster, which God in his wisdom may not turn aside from us?” President Clark then set forth these inspired basic principles of the Church welfare program:

“First, and above and beyond everything else, let us live righteously. …

“Let us avoid debt as we would avoid a plague; where we are now in debt, let us get out of debt; if not today, then tomorrow.

“Let us straitly and strictly live within our incomes, and save a little.


“Let every head of every household see to it that he has on hand enough food and clothing, and, where possible, fuel also, for at least a year ahead. You of small means put your money in foodstuffs and wearing apparel, not in stocks and bonds; you of large means will think you know how to care for yourselves, but I may venture to suggest that you do not speculate. Let every head of every household aim to own his own home, free from mortgage. Let every man who has a garden spot, garden it; every man who owns a farm, farm it.” (Conference Report, April 1937, p. 26.)

For the righteous the gospel provides a warning before a calamity, a program for the crises, a refuge for each disaster.

The Lord has said that “the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven …” (Mal. 4:1), but he assures us that “he that is tithed shall not be burned. …” (D&C 64:23.)

The Lord has warned us of famines, but the righteous will have listened to prophets and stored at least a year’s supply of survival food.

The Lord has set loose the angels to reap down the earth (see Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, p. 251), but those who obey the Word of Wisdom along with the other commandments are assured “that the destroying angel shall pass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. …” (D&C 89:21.)

The Lord desires his Saints to be free and independent in the critical days ahead. But no man is truly free who is in financial bondage. “Think what you do when you run in debt,” said Benjamin Franklin, “you give to another power over your liberty.” “… pay thy debt and live …” said Elisha. (2 Kgs. 4:7.) And in the Doctrine and Covenants the Lord says, “… it is my will that you shall pay all your debts.” (D&C 104:78.)

For over 100 years we have been admonished to store up grain. “Remember the counsel that is given,” said Elder Orson Hyde, “‘… Store up all your grain,’ and take care of it! … And I tell you it is almost as necessary to have bread to sustain the body as it is to have food for the spirit; for the one is as necessary as the other to enable us to carry on the work of God upon the earth.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 17.) And he also said: “There is more salvation and security in wheat, than in all the political schemes of the world. …” (JD, vol. 2, p. 207.)

As to the foodstuffs which should be stored, the Church has left that decision primarily to the individual members. Some excellent suggestions are available from the Church Welfare Committee. “All grain is good for the food of man …” (D&C 89:16) the Lord states, but he particularly singles out wheat. Dry, whole, hard grains, when stored properly, can last indefinitely, and their nutritional value can be enhanced through sprouting, if desired.

It would be well if every family have on hand grain for at least a year. And may I remind you that it generally takes several times as much land to produce a given amount of food when grains are fed to livestock and we consume the meat. Let us be careful not to overdo beef cattle and other livestock projects on our welfare farms.

From the standpoint of food production, storage, handling, and the Lord’s counsel, wheat should have high priority. Water, of course, is essential. Other basics could include honey or sugar, legumes, milk products or substitutes, and salt or its equivalent. The revelation to store food may be as essential to our temporal salvation today as boarding the ark was to the people in the days of Noah.

President Harold B. Lee has wisely counseled that “perhaps if we think not in terms of a year’s supply of what we ordinarily would use, and think more in terms of what it would take to keep us alive in case we didn’t have anything else to eat, that last would be very easy to put in storage for a year … just enough to keep us alive if we didn’t have anything else to eat. We wouldn’t get fat on it, but we would live; and if you think in terms of that kind of annual storage rather than a whole year’s supply of everything that you are accustomed to eat which, in most cases, is utterly impossible for the average family, I think we will come nearer to what President Clark advised us way back in 1937.” (Welfare conference address, October 1, 1966.)

There are blessings in being close to the soil, in raising your own food, even if it is only a garden in your yard and/or a fruit tree or two. Man’s material wealth basically springs from the land and other natural resources. Combined with his human energy and multiplied by his tools, this wealth is assured and expanded through freedom and righteousness. Those families will be fortunate who, in the last days, have an adequate supply of each of these particulars.

Concerning human energy, we can be grateful for the Word of Wisdom, which tells us it is possible to “run and not be weary, and … walk and not faint.” (D&C 89:20.) The Lord has advised us to “retire to thy bed early, that ye may not be weary; arise early, that your bodies and your minds may be invigorated.” (D&C 88:124.) He has also counseled, “Do not run faster or labor more than you have strength. …” (D&C 10:4.)

Healthful foods, proper rest, adequate exercise, and a clean conscience can prepare us to tackle the trials that lie ahead.

Concerning clothing, we should anticipate future needs, such as extra work clothes and clothes that would supply warmth during winter months when there may be shortages or lack of heating fuel. Leather and bolts of cloth could be stored, particularly for families with younger children who will outgrow and perhaps outwear their present clothes.

“The day will come,” said President Wilford Woodruff, “when, as we have been told, we shall all see the necessity of making our own shoes and clothing and raising our own food. …” (Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, p. 166.)

In a message to the Saints in July of 1970, President Joseph Fielding Smith stated that the pioneers “were taught by their leaders to produce, as far as possible, all that they consumed … This is still excellent counsel.” (Improvement Era, vol. 73 [1970], p. 3.)

Wood, coal, gas, oil, kerosene, and even candles are among those items which could be reserved as fuel for warmth, cooking, and light or power. Some may be used for all of these purposes and certain ones would have to be stored and handled cautiously. It would also be well to have on hand some basic medical supplies to last for at least a year.

Men should seek honorable employment and do their work well in order to provide for their own. Men who can perform useful skills with their hands will be in increasing demand. Handymen, farmers, builders, tailors, gardeners, and mechanics can and will prove a real blessing to their families and their fellowmen.

The Saints have been advised to pay their own way and maintain a cash reserve. Recent history has demonstrated that in difficult days it is reserves with intrinsic value that are of most worth, rather than reserves, the value of which may be destroyed through inflation. It is well to remember that continued government deficits cause inflation; inflation is used as an excuse for ineffective price controls; price controls lead to shortages; artificial shortages inevitably are used as an excuse to implement rationing.

When will we learn these basic economic principles? However, “… when we really get into hard times,” said President Clark, “where food is scarce or there is none at all, and so with clothing and shelter, money may be no good for there may be nothing to buy, and you cannot eat money, you cannot get enough of it together to burn to keep warm, and you cannot wear it.” (Church News, November 21, 1953, p. 4.)

The strength of the Church welfare program lies in every family following the inspired direction of the Church leaders to be self-sustaining through adequate preparation. God intends for his Saints to so prepare themselves “that the church [as the Lord has said] may stand independent above all other creatures beneath the celestial world.” (D&C 78:14.)

“How on the face of the earth could a man enjoy his religion,” said Elder George A. Smith many years ago, “when he had been told by the Lord how to prepare for a day of famine, when, instead of doing so, he had fooled away that which would have sustained him and his family.” (JD, vol. 12, p. 142.)

And President Brigham Young said, “If you are without bread, how much wisdom can you boast, and of what real utility are your talents, if you cannot procure for yourselves and save against a day of scarcity those substances designed to sustain your natural lives? … If you cannot provide for your natural lives, how can you expect to have wisdom to obtain eternal lives?” (JD, vol. 8, p. 68.)

When will all these calamities strike? We do not know the exact time, but it appears it may be in the not-too-distant future. Those who are prepared now have the continuing blessings of early obedience, and they are ready. Noah built his ark before the flood came, and he and his family survived. Those who waited to act until after the flood began were too late.

Let us not be dissuaded from preparing because of a seeming prosperity today, or a so-called peace.

I have seen the ravages of inflation. I shall never forget Germany in the early 1920s. In December 1923 in Cologne, Germany, I paid six billion marks for breakfast. That was just 15 cents in American money. Today, the real inflation concern is in America and several other nations.

Brethren and sisters, I know that this welfare program is inspired of God. I have witnessed with my own eyes the ravages of hunger and destitution as, Under the direction of the president of the Church, I spent a year in war-torn Europe at the close of World War II, without my family, distributing food, clothing, and bedding to our needy members. I have looked into the sunken eyes of Saints, in almost the last stages of starvation. I have seen faithful mothers carrying their children, three and four years of age, who were unable to walk because of malnutrition. I have seen a hungry woman turn down food for a spool of thread. I have seen grown men weep as they ran their hands through the wheat and beans sent to them from Zion—America.

Thanks be to God for a prophet, for this inspired program, and for Saints who so managed their stewardship that they could provide for their own and still share with others. What a marvelous way to become a savior on Mount Zion!

“The time is about ripe,” said President Lee, “for the demonstration of the power and efficacy of the Lord’s Plan which He designed as ‘a light to the world, and to be a standard for my people, and for the Gentiles to seek to it.’” (Deseret News, Church section, December 20, 1941, p. 7; see also D&C 45:9.) May we ever remember the Lord’s promise: “… if ye are prepared ye shall not fear.” (D&C 38:30.)

Let us live the gospel fully, and may we recognize the infallibility of God’s inspired word—whether by his “… own voice …” or the “voice of [his] my servants, it is the same.” (D&C 1:38.) The days ahead are sobering and challenging. Oh, may we be prepared spiritually and temporally, I pray humbly in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
Notice in particular what was said about stocks and bonds and other financial speculations: "You of small means put your money in foodstuffs and wearing apparel, not in stocks and bonds; you of large means will think you know how to care for yourselves, but I may venture to suggest that you do not speculate."

And then Elder Benson, a Prophet of God, had this to say about where true wealth comes from and how it is increased: "Man’s material wealth basically springs from the land and other natural resources. Combined with his human energy and multiplied by his tools, this wealth is assured and expanded through freedom and righteousness. Those families will be fortunate who, in the last days, have an adequate supply of each of these particulars." In other words, material wealth comes from the natural resources God has given us (or 'talents', if you will), and they are then multiplied and increased through human labor, proper tools used, freedom, and personal righteousness.
brianj wrote: May 21st, 2016, 10:53 am
Onsdag wrote:On a side note, I just planted some garlic today. :ymparty:
That garlic will keep you safe from vampires, but building wealth?
And that is why I was celebrating because I was following the counsel of a Prophet of God to plant and grow a garden, thereby increasing my wealth. :ymhug:

Speaking of which... The bulbs of garlic I planted from last year are still in the ground and have increased and multiplied. I don't rightly know how much (since they are underground), but at a guess I would say my increase in over %100 from last year. I had also planted a gram or two of carrot seed and have already harvested several pounds of carrots, eating some myself and sharing a bunch with others, plus I'm leaving several in the ground to go to seed. I expect when all is said and done my increase of wealth from when I planted the seed will be several thousand or even tens of thousands. How's that for building wealth?! Of course not everything was that great - I had suffered some loss of tomatoes, melons, and pumpkin that were sown too late in the season and couldn't reproduce. Still, even with some loss, I gained other incalculable advantages from growing a garden - such as helping God fulfill His plan by making this world a little bit more beautiful and productive - so I'd say it was a win. Cheers! :ymparty:


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Z2100 wrote: April 19th, 2017, 1:43 pm This post is so stupid....
Yours, or...? :-\

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Onsdag wrote: April 19th, 2017, 2:02 pm
Z2100 wrote: April 19th, 2017, 1:43 pm This post is so stupid....
Yours, or...? :-\


Not my post lol, the discussion.

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kirtland r.m. wrote: May 20th, 2016, 5:57 pm
littlemikey wrote:Oh, gosh! For a second there I thought it was 2015....hahaha!
Hi littlemikey, check back in six months. You will be surprised how accurate this post will be. Here is twenty years of investing I have done condensed into one paragraph.Take out all of the prophesy, and you still get a market that is the second longest market without a recession in U.S. history. A market with declining earnings, with way overpriced stocks(that always happens at the end of a bull market) Yea, a fake one as well, as our economy has not recovered as in bull markets in the past! Stock index charts are flattening out like a roller coaster at the top of a big incline. All of these things and more are a recipe for disaster. Six months or less from now. Mark my words. :|
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Z2100 wrote: April 19th, 2017, 2:10 pm
Onsdag wrote: April 19th, 2017, 2:02 pm
Z2100 wrote: April 19th, 2017, 1:43 pm This post is so stupid....
Yours, or...? :-\


Not my post lol, the discussion.
Oh. OK. Since you posted that immediately after mine I wasn't sure if you were saying that my post was stupid or not. You could have been talking about the opening post, or any other number of posts in this thread, or you may have been stating that your own post was stupid - which, if that was your intent, I would have had to agree with it since it wouldn't have been contributing to the discussion in any meaningful way. That's why I was asking for clarification. :p

So, now that that is cleared up, what about this discussion is "so stupid," if you don't mind me asking?


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Onsdag wrote: April 19th, 2017, 2:18 pm
Z2100 wrote: April 19th, 2017, 2:10 pm
Onsdag wrote: April 19th, 2017, 2:02 pm
Z2100 wrote: April 19th, 2017, 1:43 pm This post is so stupid....
Yours, or...? :-\


Not my post lol, the discussion.
Oh. OK. Since you posted that immediately after mine I wasn't sure if you were saying that my post was stupid or not. You could have been talking about the opening post, or any other number of posts in this thread, or you may have been stating that your own post was stupid - which, if that was your intent, I would have had to agree with it since it wouldn't have been contributing to the discussion in any meaningful way. That's why I was asking for clarification. :p

So, now that that is cleared up, what about this discussion is "so stupid," if you don't mind me asking?

The title and overall discussion is dumb. It's like a bunch of other posts on this forum: "Doomsday is next year!"


Plus, the article is from MSN.com....

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Z2100 wrote: April 19th, 2017, 3:00 pm
The title and overall discussion is dumb. It's like a bunch of other posts on this forum: "Doomsday is next year!"


Plus, the article is from MSN.com....
Well, I can't argue with that. :)

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At this point let's say the prediction about the future someone made was true, it really would not matter to me and it would not be noble or impressive at all. This is not a Biblical or BoM case of a prophetic person speaking the words of truth and getting ignored or heeded. This is simply a person on the internet posting their ideas about what they hope happens in the near future and why they have that hope and then quoting the same Scriptures as everyone else does. There is nothing prophetic about it. If they keep doing it, they will eventually be half right (in that the Second Coming/Last Day events) will occur. We all know we are supposed to be ready already and it is basically a sin to not be ready, even if the end isn't for years and years to come, the point is the standing order was to be ready.

Its sad that the squeaky wheel does get the grease.. and soon enough it just starts squeaking again and always has a loophole to pardon its behavior and justify it as exemplary.

Predicting the future on the internet is not wise. If you got something to predict, write Salt Lake City and discuss it with the leaders since it is so serious and all..

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kirtland r.m. wrote: May 20th, 2016, 4:05 pm I will post more on this in coming days, but this is just for startershttp://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/ ... id=U142DHP
kirtland hasn't logged in since May 3rd, but I thought we could consider the mighty power of the bankster eites in the 1 year and 8 days since this thread was started.

https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/DM1:IND
This link shows that the Dow Jones has risen from 17,774 to 21,066 for an 18.5% increase over the last 12 months. The banks sure aren't paying that kind of interest on the funds in savings account.

kirtland predicted a crash in 6 months. It's tough to get that timing right because the elites have the power to make the market move.

Anyway, as long as Jon Corzine is walking around a free man, as long as Trump doesn't have Hillary arrested and as long as the Federal Reserve Board is not disbanded and the board members are not charged with multitudinous crimes, you will know that Trump is an insider.

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I'LLMAKEYAFAMOUS wrote: May 21st, 2016, 12:05 am
MrNasty wrote:
kirtland r.m. wrote:
littlemikey wrote:Oh, gosh! For a second there I thought it was 2015....hahaha!
Hi littlemikey, check back in six months. You will be surprised how accurate this post will be. Here is twenty years of investing I have done condensed into one paragraph.Take out all of the prophesy, and you still get a market that is the second longest market without a recession in U.S. history. A market with declining earnings, with way overpriced stocks(that always happens at the end of a bull market) Yea, a fake one as well, as our economy has not recovered as in bull markets in the past! Stock index charts are flattening out like a roller coaster at the top of a big incline. All of these things and more are a recipe for disaster. Six months or less from now. Mark my words. :|
This is true. It is obvious where the stock market is headed. This stock market has been propped up by the fed quantative easing and zero interest rates. It will not last and when it crashes it will be worse than in 2008. I am not saying this is going to kick off other end time events but the fact is the markets are on life support.
Ditto. Everyone knows this market is based on nothing. So why do people keep investing you may ask? Because fear and greed drive the markets, and it's still the best game in town. The market WILL crash. It WILL be far worse than 2008 since the Fed used up their dry powder on the last crisis. Any attempts to do the same would only incease the lack of confidence in the market.
Who knows when the crash will come, but it'll be swift and severe.
The number of people people invested in the market has been steadily dropping for years. A lot of investment is companies buying their own stocks to make things look better. Also all the vast majority of pension funds in the US are broke and are chasing yield in more and more risky stock bets, but they are broke any way so it is just a final gamble.
Another thing to consider is that most of the money in stock market is sitting the top 5-10 companies the other companies in the indexes are mostly down or flat. It is another sign of how insane and unstable the markets are.

As Markets Hit Record Highs, Stock Ownership Is Down (Except For Old & Rich People)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-2 ... ich-people

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There are many well known and respected financial experts warning that we are on the cusp of a collapse - I think the 6th month countdown is now starting, by November 2017 we might be in interesting times.

The Fourth Turning's Neil Howe Warns: We Are In The 1930s, "Winter Is Coming"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-2 ... ter-coming

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Spaced_Out wrote: May 28th, 2017, 6:50 am There are many well known and respected financial experts warning that we are on the cusp of a collapse - I think the 6th month countdown is now starting, by November 2017 we might be in interesting times.

The Fourth Turning's Neil Howe Warns: We Are In The 1930s, "Winter Is Coming"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-2 ... ter-coming
I usually agree with anybody who says the market is going to crash. Timing is the crux of the matter. Eventually, yes. In 6 months -- I'm not so sure. I've been wrong on timing since the 70's when Nixon closed the gold window. Thought for sure the greenback would be dead in short order. I just didn't consider how powerful the propaganda arm of the bankster elite was, and is.

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Just as with "predicting" an earthquake predicting that someday there will be a market collapse is no prediction at all. That is what markets do. It would also be just as correct to predict that someday the markets will reach new highs as well.

Like the test for earthquakes the test for markets is not saying they will crash, that is like predicting the sun will rise in the morning, the test is if you are able to give a specific timeframe for that collapse and this is where everyone fails. Either because, as many here seem to believe there are dark hands controlling the markets who would seek to discredit those seekining to expose their plans. Or, more likely, the markets move in what are unpredictable ways that simply defy the ability to accurately predict their actions.

In either case however I am just as accurate a financial forecaster to say that there will be a financial collapse as I am in saying there will, in the future, be a financial boom. In both I am correct and in both my predictions are worthless because they are not predictions at all just statements of known facts.

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gkearney wrote: May 28th, 2017, 7:31 am Just as with "predicting" an earthquake predicting that someday there will be a market collapse is no prediction at all. That is what markets do. It would also be just as correct to predict that someday the markets will reach new highs as well.

Like the test for earthquakes the test for markets is not saying they will crash, that is like predicting the sun will rise in the morning, the test is if you are able to give a specific timeframe for that collapse and this is where everyone fails. Either because, as many here seem to believe there are dark hands controlling the markets who would seek to discredit those seekining to expose their plans. Or, more likely, the markets move in what are unpredictable ways that simply defy the ability to accurately predict their actions.

In either case however I am just as accurate a financial forecaster to say that there will be a financial collapse as I am in saying there will, in the future, be a financial boom. In both I am correct and in both my predictions are worthless because they are not predictions at all just statements of known facts.
Surely, you are not unaware of stock buybacks financed at practically 0% interest? Have you never heard of the Plunge Protection Team? As these tools are benefiting mainly the elite, I would categorize their perpetrators as "dark hands." Wealth ownership is being concentrated into an ever-shrinking group of individuals with no change in that pattern in sight.

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Silver wrote: May 28th, 2017, 7:55 am
gkearney wrote: May 28th, 2017, 7:31 am Just as with "predicting" an earthquake predicting that someday there will be a market collapse is no prediction at all. That is what markets do. It would also be just as correct to predict that someday the markets will reach new highs as well.

Like the test for earthquakes the test for markets is not saying they will crash, that is like predicting the sun will rise in the morning, the test is if you are able to give a specific timeframe for that collapse and this is where everyone fails. Either because, as many here seem to believe there are dark hands controlling the markets who would seek to discredit those seekining to expose their plans. Or, more likely, the markets move in what are unpredictable ways that simply defy the ability to accurately predict their actions.

In either case however I am just as accurate a financial forecaster to say that there will be a financial collapse as I am in saying there will, in the future, be a financial boom. In both I am correct and in both my predictions are worthless because they are not predictions at all just statements of known facts.
Surely, you are not unaware of stock buybacks financed at practically 0% interest? Have you never heard of the Plunge Protection Team? As these tools are benefiting mainly the elite, I would categorize their perpetrators as "dark hands." Wealth ownership is being concentrated into an ever-shrinking group of individuals with no change in that pattern in sight.

But as I said it matters not the cause the fact is that markets crash they always do and saying that they will is not a prediction at all.

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gkearney wrote: May 28th, 2017, 8:47 am
Silver wrote: May 28th, 2017, 7:55 am
gkearney wrote: May 28th, 2017, 7:31 am Just as with "predicting" an earthquake predicting that someday there will be a market collapse is no prediction at all. That is what markets do. It would also be just as correct to predict that someday the markets will reach new highs as well.

Like the test for earthquakes the test for markets is not saying they will crash, that is like predicting the sun will rise in the morning, the test is if you are able to give a specific timeframe for that collapse and this is where everyone fails. Either because, as many here seem to believe there are dark hands controlling the markets who would seek to discredit those seekining to expose their plans. Or, more likely, the markets move in what are unpredictable ways that simply defy the ability to accurately predict their actions.

In either case however I am just as accurate a financial forecaster to say that there will be a financial collapse as I am in saying there will, in the future, be a financial boom. In both I am correct and in both my predictions are worthless because they are not predictions at all just statements of known facts.
Surely, you are not unaware of stock buybacks financed at practically 0% interest? Have you never heard of the Plunge Protection Team? As these tools are benefiting mainly the elite, I would categorize their perpetrators as "dark hands." Wealth ownership is being concentrated into an ever-shrinking group of individuals with no change in that pattern in sight.

But as I said it matters not the cause the fact is that markets crash they always do and saying that they will is not a prediction at all.
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It seems that a lot of people are avoiding the markets now and investing in Bitcoin and Ethereum. If you think the stock market is wild, look at the price of those two through 2017.
https://www.wired.com/2017/05/bitcoin-c ... ack-risks/
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/05/ethereum ... -high.html

I honestly think Canada might be the trigger for the market collapse.
TD Bank had $2.5-billion of net income during the second quarter, up 22 per cent from a year ago. The earnings amounted to $1.31 per share.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report- ... e35111077/
Just this week, most the major Canadian banks announced record profits on low interest rates. People are borrowing like there is no tomorrow. Debt levels are crazy.
More than half of Canadians say they aren’t financially prepared if interest rates jump, expenses rise: survey

“The millennial segment owes more than any previous generation and are not prepared to meet unexpected expenses. They’re homeowners, their furnace could go, they could need a new transmission on their car,” said Lunny.

http://business.financialpost.com/perso ... ise-survey
Canada is so fragile at the moment that it wouldn't take much to throw the country into chaos. The USA and Canada are very tied together financially. I think either country could trigger problems in the other. This will be different for Canada vs 2008 collapse in the USA.
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shadow wrote: April 18th, 2017, 8:51 pm
kirtland r.m. wrote: May 20th, 2016, 5:57 pm
littlemikey wrote:Oh, gosh! For a second there I thought it was 2015....hahaha!
Hi littlemikey, check back in six months. You will be surprised how accurate this post will be. Here is twenty years of investing I have done condensed into one paragraph.Take out all of the prophesy, and you still get a market that is the second longest market without a recession in U.S. history. A market with declining earnings, with way overpriced stocks(that always happens at the end of a bull market) Yea, a fake one as well, as our economy has not recovered as in bull markets in the past! Stock index charts are flattening out like a roller coaster at the top of a big incline. All of these things and more are a recipe for disaster. Six months or less from now. Mark my words. :|
Just checking back. Anything new for us, kirtland?
Yes,new P.O.T.U.S. is a business man. He has inspired some confidence in the markets. This is causing a(so it appears) longer and even record breaking stretch of prosperity in economic recoveries since W.W. two. This recovery started out very slow and anemic, not normal(because of the extra bad conditions this time around, including higher national debt, 20 trillion dollars for U.S. and bad political decisions). Now things a picking up somewhat faster. Eventual next recession has been delayed, but it will come, and because of new banking rules(bail ins, not the old bailouts we have seen, and debt factors), I believe it will be very bad. Look at the cation, the VERY SLOW rack that the Fed. is taking on raising interest rates this time.

Also, Pres. Trump is a spender(look at proposed infrastructure spending). He has and is getting some more liberal spending ideas from those around him. Wish we cold get rid of his daughter and son in law's(Cushners) influence, who elected them to any political place of power anyway! Things seem to be rolling right along and until here is some kind of trigger they may stay the same for a while longer now. I really don't even have a guess. Look at a long term U.S. stock index chart and you will see we are in nosebleed territory. Overpriced, and this is what always happens in the last part of a bull market. I made o.p. on what I had months ago, now we have seen some big changes hat have prolonged time till next crash. Hang in there and may God bless us all.

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kirtland r.m. wrote: May 28th, 2017, 2:08 pm
shadow wrote: April 18th, 2017, 8:51 pm
kirtland r.m. wrote: May 20th, 2016, 5:57 pm
littlemikey wrote:Oh, gosh! For a second there I thought it was 2015....hahaha!
Hi littlemikey, check back in six months. You will be surprised how accurate this post will be. Here is twenty years of investing I have done condensed into one paragraph.Take out all of the prophesy, and you still get a market that is the second longest market without a recession in U.S. history. A market with declining earnings, with way overpriced stocks(that always happens at the end of a bull market) Yea, a fake one as well, as our economy has not recovered as in bull markets in the past! Stock index charts are flattening out like a roller coaster at the top of a big incline. All of these things and more are a recipe for disaster. Six months or less from now. Mark my words. :|
Just checking back. Anything new for us, kirtland?
Yes,new P.O.T.U.S. is a business man. He has inspired some confidence in the markets. This is causing a(so it appears) longer and even record breaking stretch of prosperity in economic recoveries since W.W. two. This recovery started out very slow and anemic, not normal(because of the extra bad conditions this time around, including higher national debt, 20 trillion dollars for U.S. and bad political decisions). Now things a picking up somewhat faster. Eventual next recession has been delayed, but it will come, and because of new banking rules(bail ins, not the old bailouts we have seen, and debt factors), I believe it will be very bad. Look at the caution, the VERY SLOW track that the Fed. is taking on raising interest rates this time.

Also, Pres. Trump is a spender(look at proposed infrastructure spending). He has and is getting some more liberal spending ideas from those around him. Wish we cold get rid of his daughter and son in law's(Cushners) influence, who elected them to any political place of power anyway! Things seem to be rolling right along and until here is some kind of trigger they may stay the same for a while longer now. I really don't even have a guess. Look at a long term U.S. stock index chart and you will see we are in nosebleed territory. Overpriced, and this is what always happens in the last part of a bull market. I made o.p. on what I had months ago, now we have seen some big changes that have prolonged time till next crash. Hang in there and may God bless us all.

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gkearney wrote: May 28th, 2017, 7:31 am Just as with "predicting" an earthquake predicting that someday there will be a market collapse is no prediction at all. That is what markets do. It would also be just as correct to predict that someday the markets will reach new highs as well.

Like the test for earthquakes the test for markets is not saying they will crash, that is like predicting the sun will rise in the morning, the test is if you are able to give a specific timeframe for that collapse and this is where everyone fails. Either because, as many here seem to believe there are dark hands controlling the markets who would seek to discredit those seekining to expose their plans. Or, more likely, the markets move in what are unpredictable ways that simply defy the ability to accurately predict their actions.

In either case however I am just as accurate a financial forecaster to say that there will be a financial collapse as I am in saying there will, in the future, be a financial boom. In both I am correct and in both my predictions are worthless because they are not predictions at all just statements of known facts.
There were a handful of people who predicted the 2008 crash and made some good coin. Yes the markets are being manipulated which is in itself a sign of imminent collapse. Despite all the manipulation and money printing, since March 2017 the entire system has got a speed wobble which we know is going to end badly and very soon.

The many bubbles created by easy money are starting to burst. There are so many scary things going on the markets it is all too much to discuss. I read daily from financiers that are ringing the warning bells. The US auto bubble has started to pop, as well as the Canadian housing bubble, and Chinese debt bubble to name a few. A few articles that came out today. I am confident that it is going down in 2017 -or the US Fed will have to lower interest rates and start printing money again, I think the money printing is coming to an end.

After 47 Years, Stephen Lewis Calls It Quits In A Scathing Critique Of Modern Markets
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-2 ... rn-markets

Is CarMax Inventory The Canary In The Coalmine Of The Slumping Auto Industry?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-2 ... o-industry

"We Have Only Seen This Market Anomaly Twice Before: In 1999 And 2006"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-2 ... 9-and-2006

All Hell Breaks Loose In Toronto's House Price Bubble
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-2 ... ice-bubble

RBC: "Something Is Wrong Here: Indicators Are Flashing An Imminent Yield Breakdown Warning"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-2 ... wn-warning

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Another day another financial analyst throwing in the towel.
"Let me tell you I've never been more certain of anything in my life," Parker said. "I am absolutely certain we are in a bubble in this property market. Mortgage fraud is endemic, it's systemic, it's just terrible what's going on. When you've got 30-year-olds, who have never seen a property downturn before, borrowing up to 80 per cent to buy three and four apartments, it's a bubble."

"This Market Is Crazy": Hedge Fund Returns Hundreds Of Millions To Clients Citing Imminent "Calamity"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-29/

Turkey Bans Short-Selling, Online-Trading As Nation's Best-Performing Stock Crashes
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-2 ... ming-stock

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